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Stutters' filter looks horrible.
Stutters disagrees with both of Tofu's scum reads. Stutters also says that he is going to check out FT a bit closer.
On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it.
On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:
And on that note, going to check out FT a bit closer.
On July 29 2013 04:53 Stutters695 wrote:
Also Tofu read page 5 and 6 of his filter. That isn't scum responses at all.
Stutters later says he has not yet looked at Tofu but has him as null.
On July 29 2013 06:16 Stutters695 wrote:
FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense.
Stutters thinks that Paper is scum but is willing to sheep Rayn onto Tofu.
On July 29 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch.
Stutters is also willing to sheep Rayn onto Koshi.
On July 29 2013 08:01 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is not dumb. He just isn't. I said that in I swear 2 and while i was mafia i was not lying. Hmm you're right. Tbh I didn't really pay attention to him in I swear because of what I heard in the NWM postgame. His reads were good in I swear. I could get behind this then, he really doesn't have an excuse in that case.
Stutters changes his mind regarding a no lynch.
On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch?
Stutters, you obviously had a very strong town read on Rayn as soon as he joined the game. Why?
Considering that you disagreed with both of Tofu's scum reads and said that you were going to look into him, why did you not look into him until Rayn prompted you to?
You also seemed to completely sheep Rayn as your read on Paper changed. In fact I would say that since Rayn began to participate all you did was just completely sheep him.
Would you be a darling and perhaps provide an original opinion in future? Thanks.
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In fact i remember Stutters sheeping my opinions in Basterd game aswell.
Stutters who do you think is scum?
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Not sure I get the shooting Vayne if scum part but absolutely agreed on using it as a day vig. If you fire at night you aren't 100% confirmed due to a potential janitor but if you fire during the day you are.
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Ok I edited another fucking message instead of quoting it. I am so sorry host, maybe admins can repost my original message? I already forgot what this was
On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1? I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote:
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.
Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case)I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:
Why do I really want to lynch paper now? And why do I have a feeling we are heading towards a no lynch? On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.
Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that. Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before)Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank.
Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player. But as scum? Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.)
2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler +On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town
Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise
2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards.
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FUCCCKKKKK I AM FAILING SO HARD RIGHT NOW
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HZFLANK
If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in.
Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game.
I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on...
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1? I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote:
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.
Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.
Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch)
But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case)
I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did:
On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:
Why do I really want to lynch paper now? And why do I have a feeling we are heading towards a no lynch? On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.
Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that.
Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it.
hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up:
(I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before)
On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank.
Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player.
But as scum?
On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.)
2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum
THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!!
+ Show Spoiler +On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town
Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise
2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie.
Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards.
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Wow I should read the vig description before fakeclaiming.
I thought it was standard nightvig, not vig that shoots at any time.
Anyway I want the real vig to shoot Vayne 10 minutes into Day 1.
I actually want a gun so I can shoot the fucker myself.
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So now I have made the same case 3 times in this thread. gj Koshi!
Please comment, rate and subscribe
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On July 30 2013 02:04 Koshi wrote:
Please comment, rate and subscribe
On July 30 2013 02:00 Koshi wrote:
FUCCCKKKKK I AM FAILING SO HARD RIGHT NOW
I agree.
50%.
Subscribed!
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This game is terrible.
I wish I rolled mafia in this town :/
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On July 30 2013 02:08 Vivax wrote:
This game is terrible.
I wish I rolled mafia in this town :/
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Yeah okay fuck Vayne and vig him once its day unless hes done something useful during this nightphase.
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WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SHOOTING VAYNE YOU FUCKERS?
WE GOT A PERFECT SCUM TARGET IN HZFLANK AND YOU ARE GOING TO SHOOT SOMEBODY WHO IS ANNOYING?
YOU SCUM VIVAX?
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You have a solid case against XRZ but you are going to shoot vayne.
Fuck the world.
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He doesn't have to be scum. He shot me as vig in carnival cruise mafia but he was town there so thats not alignment indicative. However, the rest of his play is. Read his filter in roulette and compare it to this and please tell me he isn't playing exactly the same 
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We can lynch either of them if they're actually scum (haven't looked closely enough)
Vayne however has made himself unreadable and should therefore be vigged. That's how you use vig shots.
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I am at home now and read the thread. First I will try to answer the questions directed at me and afterwards I will go through filters and post my reads. Feel free to point me to questions I missed.
Will be here for several hours.
Oats I am new and I could easily prove this to you if you want. But I am absolutely fine with you treating me as a smurf because it's good if you judge me for my play and not for this. So if you insist that I am a smurf I won't defend against this any more after this post.
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To hz:
I read a few games before I made my account to start playing myself but I cannot be bothered to check exactly which ones - I skimmed through most of them anyway. Stormmafia comes to mind - really cool game.
But I guess the goal of your question was the last Newbie game where you were scum. Yes, I read that one.
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On July 30 2013 02:22 VayneAuthority wrote:He doesn't have to be scum. He shot me as vig in carnival cruise mafia but he was town there so thats not alignment indicative. However, the rest of his play is. Read his filter in roulette and compare it to this and please tell me he isn't playing exactly the same
Vayne for president!
Vivax obviously scum then. I am playing the same as I did in newbie 44 where I was scum. Stutters is playing like he did in Basterd where he was scum. Rayn plays like this every time that he is scum, in fact for the first 36 hours Rayn played exactly like he did in Roulette where Rayn was scum.
Scum team is Vivax, hzflank, Stutters and Rayn. Game is solved.
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On July 30 2013 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:
To hz:
I read a few games before I made my account to start playing myself but I cannot be bothered to check exactly which ones - I skimmed through most of them anyway. Stormmafia comes to mind - really cool game.
But I guess the goal of your question was the last Newbie game where you were scum. Yes, I read that one.
Actually I just thought that you using the phrase 'in the thread' was a little odd if this is your first ever game of Mafia and you are town. But you would of seen scum QT's if you read old games.
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