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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 12:50 GMT
#1202
You said "if Paper flips town, one of Vivax / rayn is scum". You do definitely not think Vivax is scum. It's pretty easy to count 1+1 don't you think? Or are you just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 12:51 GMT
#1203
On July 29 2013 08:58 Koshi wrote:
1 of rayn and vivax is scum unless paper flips red.

You like that?



There is the quote to be exact.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:03 GMT
#1207
On July 29 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, I want you to tell me that thiscase is

1. Scummy, 2. Terrible.

XRZ is basically summarizing points he disagrees about with PS, and using that as reason to push him as scum, then uses any other stuff against him as well. It's not a clean "I think this dude is scum cause I think scum would do xyz and town abc", it's a bunch of posts along with commentary about anything negative they could contain.

If you look at the cases by clarity, JAT and XRZ I posted, you will notice they all have that pattern. The same pattern from clarity's case in the LXI game you also played in, the same case which got clarity lynched (although not just for the pattern, but for some other reasons)..

I don't think the case is necessarily scummy. Bad it is for sure. I think you might be onto something on Clarity. He gave me really bad feelings after i talked with thim when i got back. He didn't feel townie at all there. I can't really explain why but there seemed to be something wrong with him. I agree that his case here looks alot like his case on Sharrant on LXI now that you brought that up, but i am not sure how do Clarity's town cases look like. Did you look at that too?

Who is XRZ?

I don't think JAT is scum, i can explain that better if you really want to hear why.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:18 GMT
#1210
On July 29 2013 22:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 29 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, I want you to tell me that thiscase is

1. Scummy, 2. Terrible.

XRZ is basically summarizing points he disagrees about with PS, and using that as reason to push him as scum, then uses any other stuff against him as well. It's not a clean "I think this dude is scum cause I think scum would do xyz and town abc", it's a bunch of posts along with commentary about anything negative they could contain.

If you look at the cases by clarity, JAT and XRZ I posted, you will notice they all have that pattern. The same pattern from clarity's case in the LXI game you also played in, the same case which got clarity lynched (although not just for the pattern, but for some other reasons)..

I don't think the case is necessarily scummy. Bad it is for sure. I think you might be onto something on Clarity. He gave me really bad feelings after i talked with thim when i got back. He didn't feel townie at all there. I can't really explain why but there seemed to be something wrong with him. I agree that his case here looks alot like his case on Sharrant on LXI now that you brought that up, but i am not sure how do Clarity's town cases look like. Did you look at that too?

Who is XRZ?

I don't think JAT is scum, i can explain that better if you really want to hear why.


It's worth noting that after that game I "ragequit" mafia for like 6 months. It wasn't the case itself that I screwed up it was the timing and the target.
And you're just saying the bad feeling crap cause I gave you shit for your bad list post, which was bad.
Then you got all original and stuff and it was great, if not a bit tunnelly and chaotic nearing lynchtime

Vivax just threw three new wide accusations into the air and hoped something sticked. I'm town, I think JAT is town, I think exa is active but ultimately null.

Vayne do you still think Vivax is scum and if so could you explain it a bit more please?

So you are still holding on to your argument that i should have accused some people who were universally considered as town, let's say Oats and you, so i would have looked more townie to you. Now i looked bad because i said who i thought were scummy and other people were thinking alike. Isn't that a bit ridiculous?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:23 GMT
#1213
One thing that bothers me about exarezee is that he says he has played 200 games of mafia but has no idea what wifom means..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:26 GMT
#1217
On July 29 2013 22:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 29 2013 22:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 29 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 29 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, I want you to tell me that thiscase is

1. Scummy, 2. Terrible.

XRZ is basically summarizing points he disagrees about with PS, and using that as reason to push him as scum, then uses any other stuff against him as well. It's not a clean "I think this dude is scum cause I think scum would do xyz and town abc", it's a bunch of posts along with commentary about anything negative they could contain.

If you look at the cases by clarity, JAT and XRZ I posted, you will notice they all have that pattern. The same pattern from clarity's case in the LXI game you also played in, the same case which got clarity lynched (although not just for the pattern, but for some other reasons)..

I don't think the case is necessarily scummy. Bad it is for sure. I think you might be onto something on Clarity. He gave me really bad feelings after i talked with thim when i got back. He didn't feel townie at all there. I can't really explain why but there seemed to be something wrong with him. I agree that his case here looks alot like his case on Sharrant on LXI now that you brought that up, but i am not sure how do Clarity's town cases look like. Did you look at that too?

Who is XRZ?

I don't think JAT is scum, i can explain that better if you really want to hear why.


It's worth noting that after that game I "ragequit" mafia for like 6 months. It wasn't the case itself that I screwed up it was the timing and the target.
And you're just saying the bad feeling crap cause I gave you shit for your bad list post, which was bad.
Then you got all original and stuff and it was great, if not a bit tunnelly and chaotic nearing lynchtime

Vivax just threw three new wide accusations into the air and hoped something sticked. I'm town, I think JAT is town, I think exa is active but ultimately null.

Vayne do you still think Vivax is scum and if so could you explain it a bit more please?

So you are still holding on to your argument that i should have accused some people who were universally considered as town, let's say Oats and you, so i would have looked more townie to you. Now i looked bad because i said who i thought were scummy and other people were thinking alike. Isn't that a bit ridiculous?


No, I'm saying you had no original opinions at the time so your entrance into the thread was weak. That's what you were talking about when you said you had a bad feeling right? Or did you mean something else?

I form my opinions mostly by talking with other players. I have really hard time to get a grasp of the game by only reading it, which i was forced to do here for the first ~30hours or so.

I don't remember what it exactly was that made me feel worse about you, because there a re more scummy people and i wanted to lynch mafia, so i didn't really care, and now it's not relevant until the end of the night phase.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:28 GMT
#1218
On July 29 2013 22:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
I make the same style of case regardless of alignment, we've played in enough games that you should know this.

Do you mean me? I don't think i have played with you in any other game than in LXI, or if i have i was scum and didn't read your cases because boring or something.

On July 29 2013 22:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing that bothers me about exarezee is that he says he has played 200 games of mafia but has no idea what wifom means..


So what, is he scum for that?

I don't know. Probably not. But still, wtf?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:29 GMT
#1219
Vivax why do you think FT is town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:33 GMT
#1223
Malongo who are your top suspects now?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:38 GMT
#1224
Oh Clarity; It was because you did call FT town for stupid reasons (the scumslip thing) and your case on Malongo, which was bad in my opinion (non-alignment indicative stuff from him). Then you just consolidate on Paperscraps without a word on JAT / FT any more.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:42 GMT
#1229
On July 29 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Need a closer look at Rayn before deciding definitely though.

Am I not scum any more rayn?

I don't know. You new look to the game on N1 is interesting and i agree on it to some extent. I still think FT is scum though. I would lynch hz instantly if there was that "Oats case" comment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:43 GMT
#1230
EBWOP: ...if there wasn't...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:47 GMT
#1233
On July 29 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
hz probably town for pulling that 50% chance of lynching scum out of his ass.

Rayn scum for posting a bullshit list post and wanting to lynch Obv town FT and Papers. Rayn is not bad at this game but he is lynching horrible targets man.

Actually when i got to do my stuff for a while i wanted to lynch Koshi and not FT.. What did you do then? Oh i remember, you didn't give a shit about who we lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 13:54 GMT
#1240
I also never wanted to lynch Paper. I put my vote on him because there was already a majority on him, it was 3minutes to the deadline, and i can be wrong about him too and didn't want people to screw around the lynch.

Imagine what would be going on now if i had not voted for him. I can do that for you Oats. Knowing you you would be screaming now that Paper & Vivax are confirmed scum. If Vivax is in fact town that's a really shitty situation, and that's why i don't understand his unvote.

It's pretty clear what my intentions were around the lynch and you are bad because you are unable to understand them.

I don't know who i want to lynch now. The good thing is i don't have to until tomorrow.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 14:02 GMT
#1247
I really don't know who i want to lynch. I really don't even know if my townreads are town any more.
I am pretty sure you (Oats) and Cora are town, everything else i am not sure about.

Townies are playing bad or scum are playing really good. Apparently i am playing bad too because people (mainly Vivax & Cora) thinks i am mafia. You always think i am scum so i don't really care about that
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 14:03 GMT
#1249
On July 29 2013 23:01 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 29 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Need a closer look at Rayn before deciding definitely though.

Am I not scum any more rayn?

I don't know. You new look to the game on N1 is interesting and i agree on it to some extent. I still think FT is scum though. I would lynch hz instantly if there was that "Oats case" comment.


I am sick of this now. You do not think that one paragraph makes a person town if everything else about them makes them scum. I did not like it when Vivax had a town on me for that reason and I did not like it when you repeated it.

I will let you in on a little secret: that paragraph was constructed. It was true, but it was also completely re-written because I did not like the first version. I would of posted that paragraph as either town or scum.

People need to base their read on me on more than that single paragraph, because even if you are correct about my alignment for now you are reading me badly and that single paragraph will not make me look town forever.

Why would you want me to take a relook of you if you are town? You are making me waste my time looking into someone who is town -> not helping finding mafia.

Are you trying to buy town credit with reverse psychology?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 14:11 GMT
#1257
Oats why would JAT post this when he is one of the main candidates for being lynched:
On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched.

He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia.

And this:
On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment.
I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home.

This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 14:16 GMT
#1264
If someone can can explain why FT is town that would be cool, because i don't see it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 14:18 GMT
#1267
On July 29 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would JAT post this when he is one of the main candidates for being lynched:
On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched.

He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia.

And this:
On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment.
I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home.

This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game?


I think he is lying about not being new.
Also why doesnt scum attack? He sees a bad case, DESTROY. I dont get why he would defend assuming Vivax made the 'same' case?

The second part, I dont see how thats alignment indicative.

So your argument is that he is not new and lying about it. Do you have any proof that supports that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 14:22 GMT
#1273
I have already explained why it's easy to fake finding a scumslip, and why it might even be beneficial.
Do i really need to quote my own posts regarding that?

The scumslip thing is not alignment indicative.
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