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FirmTofu
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hzflank, I can get aboard a rayn lynch. His actions are extremely out of place. His reads are flying all over the place and don't any logical sense. It feels like he's trying to attack everyone a little bit to establish himself as abrasive and therefore town. I don't like it at all. I am leaning slightly scum on both JAT and stutters, especially after stutter's jumbled case on me. I'll have to filter dive to be sure, though. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On July 30 2013 07:39 Vivax wrote: Explain what happened between those read posts of yours. + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote: My reads. I don't have much time, but I'll expand on these in my next post if there's still time. Player List: 1. Oatsmaster 2. Vivax 3. Clarity_nl 4. MCaptainJackSparrow 5. raynpelikoneet 6. Paperscraps 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 10. hzflank 11. Koshi 13. justanothertownie 14. exarezee Yes, I think exarezee is town now based on the way he's been behaving regarding the lynch. I'm null on those without colors. On July 29 2013 11:28 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know what do think of the whole rayn/vivax/koshi trifecta. Koshi is probably town though. Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum The flip? The first post were my reads assuming Paper was scum. The second post was a reevaluated list of reads based on the Paper town flip. | ||
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Rayn - Scum Stutters - Scum Vivax - Null Exarezee - Null-leaning scum JAT - Scum hzflank - Null | ||
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Stutters is still scum to me. His actions during the flip are unforgivable and his case against me isn't even really a case at all. | ||
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##Vote: Malongo | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:49 justanothertownie wrote: Dude, think about that for a minute. If I was scum - why would I jump on this claim? I would know he is lying (if Malongo is town). How can you honestly say this and accuse hz and I when we did the EXACT SAME THING? Holy fuck, if you aren't scum I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore... ##Vote: justanothertownie | ||
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This is what JAT says the moment when Vayne reveals that his cop claim is fake. On July 30 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote: Man that is sad. It made so much sense. I will still post the post on hz/tofu tomorrow. Then, when people accuse JAT of a scummy response to the claim, this is how he defends himself. On July 30 2013 09:49 justanothertownie wrote: Dude, think about that for a minute. If I was scum - why would I jump on this claim? I would know he is lying (if Malongo is town). Do you see what's wrong with this? On July 30 2013 09:35 hzflank wrote: ##Vote:Malongo On July 30 2013 09:30 FirmTofu wrote: For now, ##Vote: Malongo BOTH hzflank and I did EXACTLY what he says makes HIM look town. Yet he still thinks we are scum and he is town. 100% scumslip. | ||
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FirmTofu
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I will sign a legally binding fucking contract. "If JAT flips town, FirmTofu must allow himself to be lynched on Day 3" [Insert FirmTofu's signature here] | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZnIDAiO.png) The empty space represents how serious I am about this. | ||
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On July 30 2013 11:08 hzflank wrote: Tofu, the truth is that JAT flipping red does not actually make you town. We will still really have to look into you on day 3. I need sleep. Really really I need sleep. It was an amusing couple of hours. Well, obviously. I never said it would. | ||
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It's called ADAPTING TO NEW INFORMATION. | ||
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Sicilian: Initially I thought DrH was mafia, then I thought VE was mafia. Upon the flip, this was my 100% new scumlist. On July 19 2013 07:30 FirmTofu wrote: I'm going to post my scumreads. I'll decide later if I want to post my null reads. I probably won't post my town reads. Proposed Scum: slOosh kholly layabout Malongo I'm going to start with slOosh because he is the person that holds this proposed scumteam together. Most of my analysis will focus on the concrete information obtained from the last few hours of Day 1 regarding votes. slOosh: slOosh never bothered to defend himself when he was faced with an imminent lynch. Many people came to his defense(me included), with little reasoning to justify his survival. slOosh is a borderline lurker and all he has ever done this game is defend himself. There is absolutely no scumhunting in his filter, just see for yourself. kholly: I think kholly was a significant part of the reason why VE got lynched. By unvoting and voting repeatedly, he confused everyone who was trying to figure out the vote count. He was the only person to waffle between a MZ lynch and VE lynch, indicating that he was apathetic between them. To top it all off, kholly also happens to have a terrible list of proposed scum in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=14#267 He never pushes his reads either. If he truly believed these people were scum, as his filter indicates, why didn't he ever try to get them lynched? layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=14#266 Doesn't think we should share who we pm. Sounds like he is in favor of withholding information. Wants to kill Vayne because he doesn't use pms. Terrible reasoning. As I mentioned before, Vayne is stating an opinion that he expressed during pre-game. Why should that be alignment-indicative at all? Defends Malongo, attacks VE http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=19#364 Says he wants to lynch Vivax, but never follows up http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=19#379 Overall goal seems to be to keep slOosh alive. I think that if slOosh flips mafia, this guy should be our #1 target. Malongo: Malongo is inexorably linked to each one of these guys. I have a feeling that because VE tried to attack Malongo, scum decided VE needed to die. All of the above players ganged up on VE in order to push attention away from Malongo. When push came to shove and VE claimed, these guys decided they should hop on another town wagon to keep slOosh alive. They see Mr. Wiggles voting Mz and decide that he would be an easy target to justify a lynch on. Note that NONE of these players ever gave a good reason why they thought slOosh was innocent. They barely even talked about slOosh. Why did they vote MZ instead of slOosh if they could never provide a legitimate reason why slOosh wasn't mafia? Consider that voting slOosh would guarantee VE's survival, whereas a vote on MZ was not likely to go through. They would have to be very certain of slOosh's alignment in order to adequately justify voting for MZ, considering the situation. If they actually wanted to save VE, they would have voted slOosh. Why didn't they? If slOosh is in fact mafia, this indicates that they are avoiding interacting with their teammates to prevent links being formed between each other. I think the most critical person to lynch in Day 2 is slOosh. With his alignment, we get a plethora of information about numerous people and the chances of him flipping scum are quite high. Nuclear Winter: Initially, I had a Vayne/Jampidampi scum team On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. When, jampi was killed, I completely 180'd on my reads. On July 12 2013 07:54 FirmTofu wrote: Voting Analysis: OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Dandel Ion (8): strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, jampidampi (12): MajuGarzett (3): Day 1: OriginalName vs Dandel Ion We know the alignments of both people. We can infer that scum would probably not want to be bussing on day 1, when it is not absolutely necessary. Therefore, the people on the Dandel wagon are extremely likely to be town and the people on the ON wagon are probably around an even split between town and scum. The scummiest people on the ON wagon are those who pushed it to save Dandel from death. That includes me, but because I know I am town, I will exclude myself from this analysis. Remember, the deciding votes are especially important. In my opinion, these are are people coming off as scummy from the ON lynch (from most scummy to least): ghost_403/Koshi Alakaslam gumshoe Onegu geript Chezinu austinmcc Alakaslam is a funny one. He initially hopped on the Dandel lynch when he thought it was inevitable. Then, when it looked like ON was picking up steam, he hopped on that lynch. Finally, when the lynch was imminent, he jumped over to Vayne to appear like he had nothing to do with the mislynch. It feels like he knew what the flip would be beforehand. Day 2: This day is a bit harder to analyze. We know that Maju is somewhat more likely to be scum because of the flip but we can't be certain. People coming off as scummy from the jampi lynch (from most scummy to least): Onegu Alakaslam ghost_403/Koshi geript (gumshoe for not voting) These are basically the people that couldn't decide one way or another until the lynch was already decided. They just jumped onto the wagon with the most votes and hoped that no one would care. This signifies apathy and is somewhat suggestive that these players are trying to more concerned about staying in the town's "good books" as long as possible instead of scumhunting. I no longer think Vayne or Ace are scum. I would post the Bluelightz game as well, but we're not allowed to post ongoing games. I change my reads ALL THE TIME as town. This behavior should make me feel town to you, not the other way around. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are already giving yourself an out before the flip so you can call who the fuck you want scum before, as it doesn´t mean shit after the flip. If you are already thinking about the reads after flip, you are not trying to lynch scum, because you already know the guy is going to flip town. Why do you think about how your reads change if you lynch town? You should be lynching scum. Read again. My reads only changed after the flip. The timeline is as follows: 1) I posted a list of reads because I thought I was going to be lynched. These reads were based on the assumption that PS would flip mafia. 2) PS flipped town 3) THEN, I changed my reads to reflect the new information. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:36 FirmTofu wrote: rayn either has not read my posts or is deliberately misrepresenting me. This is awful play, rayn. You aren't this bad. Him and Stutters. | ||
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