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(just checking in, gonna bounce again. read that by scam, why on earth would we let him live, since modkills aren't happening? According to Ange.) | ||
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On August 04 2013 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: He is tomorrow. Look at his post- scum game is fun and he swears like his role is no fun. I think that means he is survivor. Oh for shits sake why would anyone ever want scam to live? He's going to have to be dealt with eventually, why on earth not right now? Like, I can't make a case saying "he is scum because this", but you'd have to be out of your minds to let someone who is obviously lurking forever live. I'll swap to secure a lynch on gotard, but scam is just straight up a better lynch. | ||
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##UNVOTE sc.a.M. ##VOTE GOTARD | ||
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who started that anyway? calling me usami, that is. as for focusing on gotard, the easiest way to prove my innocence is to find and lynch scum, so when I read gotard and was like "he's actually scummy" it was reasonable to state my thoughts on him/make a pseudo case. Still want scam dead :< | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truancy_(novel) Became my handle for literally everything ever since then. | ||
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Usami Aren't you cool. On August 03 2013 08:14 infii wrote: Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time. It felt like he was struggling more than I'd expect a scum would, and it's not the first time I've felt this way. If you want a precedent, go read the last newbie mini mafia where we mislynch jrkirby day one. I was town, and you can see me shouting in the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227 it's not the first time I'd been in the position, and I was kind of reminded of it. it wasn't identical, obviously, but it just felt similar, so I decided to pull off. (and then I had to immediately afk afterward) It was a culmination of all of reps bullshit finally bubbling over and me saying 'fuck it'. Obviously emotional, probably ill advised, but that's why. | ||
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Someone needs to fucking vote swap dammit. | ||
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Like, feel the fuck free, I guess, but there's no reason to do what you just did from a mafia or a town viewpoint. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:53 Zyrre wrote: Your reasoning doesnt make any sense. If I believe you are mafia why would you pressuring me change that? And yes, Gotard would logically be town if I think you and Umasi are mafia. So presumably you buy his cop claim as the truth, and RDO makes up the third member of the team? Why would rdo push me so hard early on if he was a scumteam with me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:00 DeusXmachina wrote: If stimaddict gets mod killed do we get a replacement? Maybe even reps)squishy he might get replaced, but certainly not by reps | ||
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gj guys | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:38 Zyrre wrote: Calling all townies, less then 3.5hours left until lynch We need EVERYONE to vote on the same person, at this time most of us seem to agree on Umasi. ##unvote DeusXmachina ##vote Umasi My suspicion for third member of scum team is also Alakaslam. Due to his very weak suspicions of Umasi (similar to DeusX, explained in my wall of text) and then switching to Gotard, together with Umasi, stating only "I dont like who is voting on the same person as me". When I called on people to vote Umasi or convince me of Gotard in my last post he instead called me scummy, stated his vote was set and went afk. Not very strong implications on their own, if Umasi flips red I would guess him though. We will have to see. This post made me reconsider my read on zyrre. Mainly because, most people at the time were saying "gotard has no defense, Umasi's is good." So I don't know why you felt I was the more agreed upon target. Motivation for this of course is obvious, it grabs the idea of town consensus and calls for the vote on me to attempt to save gotard. Hell, why did you call for us so hard to consolidate and then NOT CONSOLIDATE? Gonna entirely flip flop my stance on him, I think Zyrre is the last scum. gonna bold that for emphasis WHY DID YOU CALL FOR US TO CONSOLIDATE AND THEN RESIST FOR SO LONG, WHEN WE NEEDED EVERYBODY TO VOTE FOR THE SAME PERSON his deus post On August 04 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote: Let's talk about DeusXmachina: While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on. His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical. reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims. He also said this: #1 Simply not true. He said it once. #2 Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph. He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1.#3 He continually says it's ok if reps is town.#4 That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me.#5 POST reps lynching Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town). Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later).#6 I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG. He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move. Remember this post? So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi.#7 Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later. With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that: "On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito. Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum. So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day. Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway. ##vote DeusXmachina Should be a fun read later tonight  going to address these, bolded his responses and numbered them. #1: he defends reps as town #2: he defends reps as town #3: zyrre, why is what he said there incriminating? #4: he's misguided in what he thinks is the correct thing to do, it's not actually scummy that he was okay with lynching reps if he thought he was a liability, since his main reason for voting him the entire time was "reps is scum". #5: saying that is not scummy, it's null, yet you nitpick it. you nitpick him for a lot of shit when you should really just look at the entire picture and say "wow his aggression early game was pretty townie because he threw himself in there so hard and basically generated all of the discussion" #6: We actually talk to each other a bit during the night (if memory serves), and when he says "looking at umasi" that doesn't mean he actually thought I was scummy, in fact, his actions (defending me so hard) point to the contrary. #7: I don't know what you are even trying to make of this your points on him are weak and nitpicky. The reason all of this matters is this: On August 05 2013 04:27 Zyrre wrote: Infii, I assume you are seeing this as defending Gotard rather then suspecting Deus/Usami. Consider the position the game was in: Gotard, Umasi and Scam all got votes early on. No one was seriously suspecting DeusX. Why would I go balls to the walls on him rather then try to shift the vote to an easier target? You would go onto deus to keep yourself A: split from gotard and B: try to draw pressure away from the lynch on gotard. these two points (reasoning for voting deus (ie it's really really bad and nitpicky)) and your reluctance to vote switch onto gotard to secure the lynch make me think you are scum. You are, barring a good case by someone else that gets posted during the night, my number one target tomorrow. I'm /afk now | ||
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I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though. | ||
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but it doesn't really matter, he's more likely actually the vig. | ||
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And stim haha, because he was just a mouthpiece for infii there. | ||
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I want to hear YOUR thoughts haha Like, I'm kind of angry that you've been so not around, forty some hours of not posting. ~but me being angry at you is certainly nothing new :< | ||
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