I thought is have time for nuclear winter! AUGH!
I was all lively in there and shit but BH in charge is too much
/in /in /in 100%!
Edit: fuk it, going for two!
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I thought is have time for nuclear winter! AUGH! I was all lively in there and shit but BH in charge is too much /in /in /in 100%! Edit: fuk it, going for two! | ||
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On July 06 2013 14:39 Umasi wrote: egh might as well give another game a shot /unobs /in On July 06 2013 14:43 Umasi wrote: Also~Dream team scum team is alakaslam, rainbows, I. Therefore it won't happen though QQ | ||
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On July 06 2013 14:48 StiMaDDict wrote: It's almost 2AM and I'm here refreshing this page and Nuke Winter Thread. What am I doing with my life.. You are making it awesome and stuff | ||
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On July 06 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote: Are we allowed to play 2 games at once? I can fully devote time to both if so /in Like they said over there, they'll just nuke the shit out of us day 1 Edit: which is 3pm my time tomorrow. I have the apple ringtone "Nuclear alarm best air-raid alert tone" set for that time to get my nukes out before the deadline XD... Otherwise it is frowned upon to play two at once because you may lose interest in one for the sake of the other which isn't fair, an example o that is me- I am becoming really really interested in this one. | ||
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But that is 100% correct, of course, and I have warned that I may need out or replaced, and geript recommended stay. | ||
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On July 06 2013 15:22 StiMaDDict wrote: Nuke mafia starts tomorrow and we still need about 3-4 people more to sign up for this one. Be replacement on this for now and after you finished the other one, you can join back in. :sigh: Can't stand when people are right that I shouldn't do as I am doing. Must obey so I can stand it! /out, /replace, + Show Spoiler + /promise /imma /be /back! @Onegu you will probably rise the ranks quickly then! | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:08 Stutters695 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 06 2013 15:26 Alakaslam wrote: On July 06 2013 15:22 StiMaDDict wrote: Nuke mafia starts tomorrow and we still need about 3-4 people more to sign up for this one. Be replacement on this for now and after you finished the other one, you can join back in. :sigh: Can't stand when people are right that I shouldn't do as I am doing. Must obey so I can stand it! /out, /replace, + Show Spoiler + /promise /imma /be /back! @Onegu you will probably rise the ranks quickly then! For what it's worth, it really is for the best. First time I tried to do multiple games I ended up getting modkilled in one and posted like twice before I even caught up to the modkill I was so behind in one. Edit 1: Not that you're not capable of doing it but there is a drastic difference in activity level for the most part that can get overwhelming if you have too much going on. Also BH is an awesome host. If you've never played but want to give it a shot this is the perfect time. Yeahh..... Our host here pretty much had me outing nuke mafia but that was prior commitment, and I kept bumping so ppl inned. Starts later today now. So would be dick move of me to out now. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:04 StiMaDDict wrote: I really want this game to start asap XD AAAAAAAAA don't jinx it! I may be in nuke for the long haul!!! Nobody has nukes yet | ||
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On July 09 2013 20:08 CaucasianAsian wrote: 1 slot remaining? /in Oh shit, cauc no Wait cauc, think about this Shit shit shit Rofl I know you are just doin what I said Shit Shit I am tryin so hard not to laugh and lose my shit I didn't mean so fast man Shhiiiiiiiiiiiiit! (Read in day[9]'s voice) ......... Eh, whaddamiworried about? First modkilled replace me /in instead BH? | ||
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On July 10 2013 06:00 jrkirby wrote: Alakaslam! You still got a chance! Roflmao- Cauc, consider why I am not inning here yet! Read the last few pages of the active games list thread! This makes 0 sense yet my good man... Ooooooh it itches. | ||
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On July 10 2013 06:31 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 06:25 Alakaslam wrote: On July 10 2013 06:00 jrkirby wrote: Alakaslam! You still got a chance! Roflmao- Cauc, consider why I am not inning here yet! Read the last few pages of the active games list thread! This makes 0 sense yet my good man... Ooooooh it itches. Did you think I'm caucasionasian? Or is there some conversation I'm missing? You are missing something between he and I and I can't use pm's. | ||
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And Cauc, I recommend "/replace" whenever you see this, that way you can possibly get in even if more newbies show up. | ||
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On July 10 2013 12:41 Xzavier wrote: Oh. Im a "bagger" at kroger but i rarely actual bag groceries i spend most of my time doing all the other shit courtisy clerks are involved in. And its just a summer job while i take college classes. im 18. BUT this was nowhere near as bad as when i worked at the spring/flatstock shop(think minifactory) where my dad works at and i watched a guy coil 1/3rd thick wire straight into his palm. Im not one to gag at blood and shit. but watching him basically unscrew his palm made me throw up. (it falayed it pretty damn bad) The work there wasnt that bad and i was pretty good at it. Exhausting work but basically thst experience+everybody telling me this is why you go to college, so you dont hav to work at a place like this your entire life. Hey! I had first world problems, and I'm doing just fine in agriculture thank you! + Show Spoiler + jk, of course they are right, but balance whether it is more worth it financially to sack yourself with student loan debt or to climb ladders... At Kroger, a huge company with a lot of opportunity. Getting to a manager's position can be pretty comfortable, much more comfortable than a psychologist (my case: pilot) who can't get a job and has $250,000+ in debt. (Would have had: as little as $53,560, up to $750,000- avgas is not cheap, and scholarship is not at all certain- especially when your parents income fluctuates from -10,000 to +180,000 a year! Neither are govt tests and ratings and you name it!) I took fertilizer. Heck it's like being paid for a chemistry major, while fighting Monsanto at the same time. Lots of little jobs like this out there that nobody takes because they sound bad (well, and yeah, don't get acid on your hands or spill extracts in your truck bed, ppl could smell you from 500 feet away, but...) but really are pretty nice. Meter readers fall in this category I think. The gas company is actually pretty cool, and getting cooler. If you can afford it in any way though, DO IT (college). A lawyer who doesn't have a practice until he's thirty could have a top floor office in LA and OWN farms as investments by 50, and be able to afford taking care of himself well enough to be able to enjoy it even that late in life. And his kids will probably be happier, especially if they grow up marginal and aren't rich until responsible enough to handle it. I know a family like this, great people. Whereas manager of Ralph's (fry's, Kroger store) will do fine but never escape middle class. But he will be secure in that middle class, assuming he isn't downright lazy! And that's not bad at all! (Another fam I know) | ||
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Replace here until u finish bein' awesome with cauc & I But I guess it's allowed... Sigh! | ||
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July 15 2013 01:15 GMT
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July 15 2013 01:19 GMT
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On July 15 2013 10:13 Onegu wrote: Sorry hope you guus dont mind if I post as I go, some of it may have been addressed already but I want to give my take like it just happend. I would have been all over the stim lynch. I really want to lynch all liars. Then hurricane says Show nested quote + Immediately, the first thing I thought of was that there is no way in hell the scum QT would let him continue ranting and raving like this. They would have told him immediately to chill out and claim he was joking too, or something. Bolding because this is the first real revelation I've had on this case. There is no way you can know this my first game sometimes I would ask a question and not get a reponse for hours, so there is no way you should ever make this assumption. Frankly, when I start to catch up I'd like to do the same. This is an excellent point especially in a newbie game, but back when I thought I was going to have your spot I had read that much, he seems like disgruntled town. But worth a look yes... | ||
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July 15 2013 01:22 GMT
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On July 15 2013 10:17 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 10:15 Alakaslam wrote: Just got here, 'sup Umasi, 'Sup Onegu? Seems I'll be joining the latter in reading up... You better make scum reads this game or I am 4rlz comeing after you. Hahah, that's probably a town Onegu talking there. Yes, I'll keep a running log of my thoughts, what substance they have. This thread is 50+ pages though, I see where cauc could be coming from XD Just glad I had read a bit earlier. First, imma check my own filter. See if I had any good points before I was me | ||
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July 15 2013 01:27 GMT
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On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote: I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be 1) Stay Alive 2) Find a person to vote for 3) Find justifications for voting This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum. ...... Uhh that was quick. I hope nobody listened to this, that is what SCUM wants to do, the difference is town wants to FIND SCUM and PROVE (your own)INNOCENCE. Finding justifications for voting is how you start a good mislynch. Heheh poor c-9, what made him leave? Be back. Let me know if you agreed with this and Chrom, you may have 'splainin to do if you didn't already | ||
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July 15 2013 01:29 GMT
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On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote: you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like dunno. mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t and then alakaslam got me to play and then BAILED that was irrelevant ignore it all haha Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s | ||
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On July 15 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: Whoa is it still day 1? Please answer this quickly anyone who is active and knows | ||
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July 15 2013 01:41 GMT
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On July 14 2013 05:56 Chromatically wrote: Kirby Stim's case on Kirby takes a lot of stuff that's not scummy and says it is, but it also has good points (some of which are probably repeated here). Here's what I don't like: a) fluff about Sponge's first post b) wishy-washy reads c) lurker list d) Stim interactions a) fluff about Sponge's first post A large amount of Kirby's early posting is talking about Sponge's pregame post and trying to get him to post it. He only starts doing this light pressure AFTER I start it. Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Scum are always looking for some way to post so that they seem town without actually doing anything. This pregame thing is something VERY easy for scum to comment on and lightly push. He notices that I'm a little suspicious and seizes on it so that he can post something at all. Notice how very lightly he's pressuring: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:03 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Umasi, stop defending me. Don't defend people in general. It's more valuable to hear them defend themselves by tenfold. (Also, I don't want you handcuffing yourself to my ankle then flipping scum and having Town waste a bunch of time re-vetting me.) On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? This is a very reasonable request, but unfortunately I will not be posting it at this time for a couple reasons. First, it's not as impressive as the one I posted. Second, I intend to stay active in this community and will probably end up using a version of it at some point when (if?) I ever get that 'You Are Scum' PM. You ought to post it anyway. Having something that you'd post on the condition that you're scum is foolish in any respect, even if no one knows what it is. Ideally, a scum player would want to post the same way as scum as they do town in almost all situations. The first one is a conversational question, the second one is a suggestion. When I pressure someone I think is suspicious, I don't "suggest" things to them and tell them "what they ought to do". He doesn't actually care about getting the post, he just wants to look like he does. b) wishy-washy reads Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: [quote] Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? [quote] I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote: On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: [quote] [quote] You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else. Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance? Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote: Kirby, who do you think is scum? Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank This is just generic wishy-washiness and unwillingness to commit to reads. Townies have at least some scum reads that they provide to the thread and push, at least a little. Kirby hasn't pushed a scumread all game. Kirby hasn't even had a scumread that he couldn't easily back out of. As scum, Kirby can easily justify a vote on anyone now because he doesn't have any reads out there. c) lurker list Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". This should be pretty obvious, but lurker lists are scummy in general. Everyone knows who hasn't posted. There's no reason to post something like this as town, it's totally useless. Scum sometimes do stuff like this because they really really want to look useful. Scum think that lists like this will look pro town and give them something to post about so that they seem active. d) Stim interactions Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:32 jrkirby wrote: Keep your cool stim, rainbows just misinterpreted your post, that's all. Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 13:14 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 13:08 Umasi wrote: Nightcat, the best way to establish innocence is to scum hunt, it's always time to scumhunt. Apparently I'm the scummiest fucking bastard in this game. Jump on board the StiM wagon and earn easy town cred! You know, I'm done. Contribute? Yeah fucking right. Sit in front of the computer for 6 fucking hours refreshing and trying to god damn contribute and what I get is "so you weren't angry but you pretended to be angry?" Town shouldn't lie about that. I wasn't fucking lying. Jesus. w/e. Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. Kirby consoles Stim twice during the game. Read both of these (especially the second one), and ask yourself why does it seem like Kirby KNOWS that Stim is town? Look at that second quote. "You won't play your best when you're tilting." There's not a HINT of doubt in that post that Stim is town. That's not something that you post to someone that you're even slightly suspicious of. "Well this makes sense if he has a town read on Stim, right?" Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Apart from the simple fact that he's trying to leave his options open to switch on the wagon later, this is COMPLETELY at odds with his subconscious attitude toward Stim in the previous conversation. ##Unvote ##Vote: jrkirby Chromatically has jumped to a conclusion here I disagree with somewhat. Kirby could be doing what I have considered: treated someone like 100% town not because you believe it to be so, but because they are clearly having a breakdown and might be town. And tunnel much! And who cares who I lynch! I hope we aren't lynching Kirby based on this?? Ppl sheeped him same page! | ||
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July 15 2013 01:43 GMT
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On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote: yeah it is night one, we mislynched Jrkirby FAAAAK I wish I was here we lynch Chrom guys. He is totes scum, dude every noob should try a normal after one game if they like it- you learn 1,000x as fast. What page is the flip on, what is his role? Was he blue? | ||
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July 15 2013 01:45 GMT
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July 15 2013 01:46 GMT
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On July 15 2013 10:45 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote: On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote: On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote: you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like dunno. mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t and then alakaslam got me to play and then BAILED that was irrelevant ignore it all haha Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play Totally just claimed mafia. Tunnel mode initiated! ROFL | ||
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July 15 2013 01:46 GMT
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July 15 2013 01:49 GMT
#1101
On July 15 2013 10:48 Onegu wrote: No page 24 now Cool cool post when you hit like 30. I got a bit of a head start, sorry. | ||
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July 15 2013 01:52 GMT
#1102
On July 14 2013 06:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 05:56 Chromatically wrote: Kirby Stim's case on Kirby takes a lot of stuff that's not scummy and says it is, but it also has good points (some of which are probably repeated here). Here's what I don't like: a) fluff about Sponge's first post b) wishy-washy reads c) lurker list d) Stim interactions a) fluff about Sponge's first post A large amount of Kirby's early posting is talking about Sponge's pregame post and trying to get him to post it. He only starts doing this light pressure AFTER I start it. On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Scum are always looking for some way to post so that they seem town without actually doing anything. This pregame thing is something VERY easy for scum to comment on and lightly push. He notices that I'm a little suspicious and seizes on it so that he can post something at all. Notice how very lightly he's pressuring: On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? On July 13 2013 09:03 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Umasi, stop defending me. Don't defend people in general. It's more valuable to hear them defend themselves by tenfold. (Also, I don't want you handcuffing yourself to my ankle then flipping scum and having Town waste a bunch of time re-vetting me.) On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? This is a very reasonable request, but unfortunately I will not be posting it at this time for a couple reasons. First, it's not as impressive as the one I posted. Second, I intend to stay active in this community and will probably end up using a version of it at some point when (if?) I ever get that 'You Are Scum' PM. You ought to post it anyway. Having something that you'd post on the condition that you're scum is foolish in any respect, even if no one knows what it is. Ideally, a scum player would want to post the same way as scum as they do town in almost all situations. The first one is a conversational question, the second one is a suggestion. When I pressure someone I think is suspicious, I don't "suggest" things to them and tell them "what they ought to do". He doesn't actually care about getting the post, he just wants to look like he does. b) wishy-washy reads On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote: [quote] I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote: On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [quote] Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else. Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance? Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote: Kirby, who do you think is scum? Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank This is just generic wishy-washiness and unwillingness to commit to reads. Townies have at least some scum reads that they provide to the thread and push, at least a little. Kirby hasn't pushed a scumread all game. Kirby hasn't even had a scumread that he couldn't easily back out of. As scum, Kirby can easily justify a vote on anyone now because he doesn't have any reads out there. c) lurker list On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". This should be pretty obvious, but lurker lists are scummy in general. Everyone knows who hasn't posted. There's no reason to post something like this as town, it's totally useless. Scum sometimes do stuff like this because they really really want to look useful. Scum think that lists like this will look pro town and give them something to post about so that they seem active. d) Stim interactions On July 13 2013 09:32 jrkirby wrote: Keep your cool stim, rainbows just misinterpreted your post, that's all. On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 13:14 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 13:08 Umasi wrote: Nightcat, the best way to establish innocence is to scum hunt, it's always time to scumhunt. Apparently I'm the scummiest fucking bastard in this game. Jump on board the StiM wagon and earn easy town cred! You know, I'm done. Contribute? Yeah fucking right. Sit in front of the computer for 6 fucking hours refreshing and trying to god damn contribute and what I get is "so you weren't angry but you pretended to be angry?" Town shouldn't lie about that. I wasn't fucking lying. Jesus. w/e. Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. Kirby consoles Stim twice during the game. Read both of these (especially the second one), and ask yourself why does it seem like Kirby KNOWS that Stim is town? Look at that second quote. "You won't play your best when you're tilting." There's not a HINT of doubt in that post that Stim is town. That's not something that you post to someone that you're even slightly suspicious of. "Well this makes sense if he has a town read on Stim, right?" On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Apart from the simple fact that he's trying to leave his options open to switch on the wagon later, this is COMPLETELY at odds with his subconscious attitude toward Stim in the previous conversation. ##Unvote ##Vote: jrkirby a.) Generally, I'm more forgiving of fluff in the beginning (as I think most of us are). The sheeping pressure is much more concerning to me. I'm willing to write off his repeated request for my scumpost as curiosity, but there's literally no reason I can think of that a Townie would want another Townie to post what he would have posted as scum. It would just clutter the thread, and pressing it as hard as he did after I gave the reasons I wouldn't post is strange to me. b.) His only unique analysis that I can find in his filter is attempting to chase down my contingency post and then awkwardly hollering at the thread about a Rainbows 'scumslip' that was clearly a jokepost: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:47 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote: I play exactly the same as scum and town imo. Last game was just me being frustrated and correct :p lol. You should fear the Rainbows. Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum. He makes a very subjective personality read and projects that into an alignment read. (Hint: THIS IS BAD PLAY) I'd say that he was just trying to put some pressure on Rainbows, but again there is zero follow-up. Regardless, on the point of wishy-washy reads, everyone who clicks his filter would agree with Chrom's assessment. c.) Attention Town: Chrom hates lists. Don't post lists in Chrom games. Personally, I don't find lists intrinsically scummy, but a list of lurkers sure isn't content. It's easy to incorporate a PSA like this into a scumhunting post, so I can't explain town motivation for posting a list of lurkers other than if they were thinking they were somehow doing a favor to the community in a newbie game. Weak post. d.) I don't agree with part of Chrom's analysis here. I see a very human motivation for posting in this fashion: When addressing someone directly, you're more likely to frame your dialogue as if they were town. When answering questions ABOUT a person, you are more honest about how scummy you think they are. I don't think Kirby was posting as if he knew StiM was town; I think he was just addressing him as town out of basic human respect for the volitile situation. However, I'm very glad Chrom included point 'd' in his case because it pointed out the fact that he did try to comfort StiM on two occasions without actually having a Town read on him. To me, the concern with this point is that Kirby swooping in to try to calm the situation down only serves to stifle the conversation. StiM flipping out was giving us great reads and the more he posted, the more it revealed about himself and his attackers. I wouldn't want to calm StiM (or anyone) down! I want people to flip out, because there is truth in anger. If he were angry scum, it makes him easier to tag if he's rageposting. If he's angry town, those emotions will be relatable and we should be able to tell if they are genuine. Kirby does follow-up with the stock good advice for a player on tilt (play the game, tell us your reads, don't be on tilt, etc.), but I have a hard time giving him town cred for this. Well belated Kudos. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 01:54 GMT
#1103
On July 14 2013 06:27 Umasi wrote: I was going to respond, but fuck it! kirby, defend yourself plx and by that I mean bring up better lynch targets than Super, Gotard, and you or bring evidence against one of the other two! Umasi, don't put players against each other like this plz. Let them come up with their own reads or I'll call it Svengali play. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:08 GMT
#1114
On July 14 2013 06:30 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 06:24 Chromatically wrote: No no no, it's not an association at all. That's actually my favorite part of the whole thing. If Kirby KNOWS that Stim is town, then he is 100% scum. That is a fact, not a preflip association. Kirby's interactions with Stim make it seem like he either KNOWS, or he STRONGLY SUSPECTS that Stim is town. However, he doesn't suspect this at all, he has a null read. I'll admit, that was my favorite part too. I would be really proud of climbing that deep into a scum mind. That kind of inconsistency in attitudes feels rare. It's juicy, but I don't think it can be the only evidence. Fortunately, it's not. The lack of conviction combined with lurkiness make Kirby a strong lynch candidate to me. ##vote: jrkirby Tried to find that political cartoon where Putin hypnotized Bush, but whatever. You get the idea. -_- hurricane... I expect somma betta from ya | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:10 GMT
#1115
On July 15 2013 10:56 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 09:55 Koshi wrote: Also, with the green flip of kirby I should NEVER be seen as scum. Or I am that retard that wants to go 2 versus 11 with a bit of townkred from the Day 1 scum lynch. what in the living fuck is this??? your not confirmed town until your dead, scum might make a day1 bus plan JUST because people like you would think that, NEVER is a word that loses games in mafia, only the dead are confirmed. even with his green flip i fail to see where you get town cred? defending town makes you look a little better, but since scum can defend town too, it makes it pretty WIFOMy, everybody defends town and scum alike on accident occasionally, but its all WIFOM because there is no way to know for sure, so yes you gained an ants fart of town cred for defending him. you certainly are still on my list of candidates for day2 lynch, dont kid yourself. Good insight. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:12 GMT
#1116
On July 15 2013 11:04 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 03:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 17:01 Umasi wrote: why is me thinking he's slightly towny a big deal though? I wouldn't say it's a big deal. I just wanted to see what evidence you had gathered to make your read, because it's useful for the town if you can help us identify Chrom as town. @Chrom: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 19:17 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + @Chrom: Can you explain what this post means? On July 13 2013 13:23 Chromatically wrote: If everyone who just randomly popped out to soft call me sum could actually give their opinions on the situation, that'd be great. I also have a nitpick with this post: On July 13 2013 14:04 Chromatically wrote: Yes, we'll technically never be able to totally disprove the possibility that Stim is town. It's just far less likely. Look at what Stim has done. Lie about his anger Town motivation: none Scum motivation: screwed up the explanation because the anger was faked in the first place Martyr Town motivation: none, far more likely that he just explains Scum motivation: knows he can't explain, so he acts emotional to get people to switch I feel like the anger was definitely real, and StiM was trying play play Mr. Cool Cat by claiming that he was really in control the whole time, and just pretended to be angry. Still not clear what that motivation could have been, but the above 2x2 leaves out some key points and I feel you're making a bit more assumptions that you usually do... Several people suddenly posted to tell Stim that I could be scum, and then didn't actually give an opinion on Stim. It was really wierd. You've brought up this same idea a few times about Stim trying to "act cool", but I don't see any particular reason to believe it. Why do you? As I've said before, there will always be a possibility of a town explanation, it's just less likely. If Stim is town, he'll return with a clear explanation. If you want to bring up meta, town should have lynched Stim in XLII. He could have easily been scum, and I said as much in the obs. A more convincing point is that Stim never reacted this way to pressure in XLIII, even though several votes were thrown on him over the course (if I remember). Hypothetical: If Stim doesn't return, what will you do? If Stim hadn't have returned, I'd probably drop the issue entirely and focus my efforts elsewhere, anticipating a /replacement or mod action. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 19:28 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 16:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 16:02 Umasi wrote: Alright, here, hurricane. Who do you think is worth voting at this time? From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct? I'm still a bit mad at StiM for his post implying that it was our job to keep him entertained. I'm going to give myself some time to cool off on that, because I don't appreciate people quitting on my team (if he is in fact town). This is a time investment for everybody, and it's damn selfish of him to pack up his ball and go home after really light pressure. Townville: Kirby pressured me appropriately after my opener. I like that. He also seems to have the same attitude as me regarding the quick StiMwagon: On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters. hz is aggressively posting reads and seems to emulate my thoughts on the early Superfluous post: On July 13 2013 09:42 hzflank wrote: I think Jrkirby's and Sponge's opening posts had the same motivation: to get discussion moving. Both have done this and we have multiple discussions taking place. Since then, Sponge did a little coaching. Sponge has come under pressure from multiple people (for his opening post), and has dealt with it while being reasonably open. The only time that he has not been open is by refusing to post the other version of his opening post. Sponge did a little coaching again as he tried to stop Umasi from defending him. So far my read on Sponge has moved very slightly towards town. Since his opening, Jrkirby has attacked Sponge for his opening post, and done nothing else. That's fine because it is early and Jrkirby is pushing to get a reaction from someone. This is not scummy to me, null read. Umasi has defended Hurricane, which cannot be viewed as scummy at this point. Umasi has attacked Superfluous. I would say that this attack could be scummy as it is based on nothing, but it could just be to get Super to post more (he only has one post). Umasi then repeats that he thinks Super's post is scummy and votes for him. The problem I have with this is that Umasi claims Super's only post was scummy, when I do not think that it was. On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on. If Umasi was looking for a reaction then I do not understand why he posted: On July 13 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote: Where the hell are you. You popped in, gave a single post, that I think is scummy as crap, still haven't show back up. Pretty confusing, because the post you gave was irrelevant. How was Super's post scummy as crap? I do not think that Umasi is looking for scum, and if he is not just fishing for Super to respond then I think that Umasi is just looking for a neutral place to put his early vote. Unlike Jrkirby's, Umasi's vote is not a troll vote. I have a slight scum read on Umasi. Xzavier posted some decent thoughts (although he really didn't go out on any limbs): On July 13 2013 11:19 Xzavier wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on. i know usami has touched on this, but i see voting for No-lynch is like sacrificing a townie or playing russian roullet for zero prize money. its just basically saying "i want to start this game a townie down" it seems silly to me, if somebody comes and gives me an ungodly reason for no-lynching ill hear it. but i see it as silly. Also from playing with usami before, hes a super fucking hyper aggressive person who needs like a single post to tunnel somebody for a full day, that can be bad. we need to keep our eyes open and looking at multiple people. As i learned my first game, a tunnel vision day1 can lead to a mislynch, or in this gametype, a no-lynch. Its far better to lynch scum, and thats what we should try to do. Even day1 we lynch either a lurker or our top scumread, if nobody has any strong scumreads, lynching the scummiest lurker is the best townplay day1. (it yields the highest chance of killing scum while creating the best pro-town enviroment) with that im also shocked of how active stim-addict is being. its nice to see a usual lurker picking it up leaving less for the scum to hide behind :D again, even Superfluous is at the top of my scumdar, he isnt high enough to deserve a vote yet. I want to lynch a lurker or superfluous depending on how he reacts to our posts and the events of the day. if the rest of it goes uneventful/no major scumslips i want to fuck up a lurker as i believe that to be the best pro-town action. Rainbows is active and is claiming credit for the StiM wagon. If StiM is town, as I suspect, I don't think scum would be claiming lead on an eventual green flip: On July 13 2013 15:43 Rainbows wrote: Sponge, I started the whole Stim thing. Chrom just questioned both of us then pooped all over him with it :p Planet Neutral: I've found confusing material on Chrom that some may deem scummy (misrepresenting facts, leaping to conclusions, overblowing alignment-neutral mistakes). However, he also did his usual early game Poke'n'Prod, getting people to clarify their random claims that might otherwise have gone unchecked (very town). Umasi is incredibly active, and hunting. The logic leaps, confirmation bias, and clumsy attacks aren't really helping the town, however (other than to just provide really obvious pressure). If there was a shade between Green and Black, I'd use it because I think the three options for Umasi are 'Bad Town' 'Good Scum' and 'Good Town That I Just Have Trouble Reading For Whatever Reason'. Scum Central: Superfluous has a lot of ground to make up. I don't like people attacking him for his bad policy, but at the end of the day, that's not the only thing going against him. I really disagree with his reads, and that has to account for something: On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote: I may be biased but I put Chromatically as the most capable scumhunter. In last game, he pretty much had the whole scum team Day1. It goes without saying that I do not Chromatically's alignment as of right now. @Chromatically Your current scum reads? Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote: On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote: Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads? At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. These are some wierd-ass wierd reads (formatted in a list, might I add...). You give town reads to a large number of people based on almost nothing? You say that me and Umasi are actively scumhunting, and then say we're null? All followed by a sheep on Super while waiting to commit to Stim. It all feels really odd. Why is xzavier more townie then Umasi/me? Why did you post town reads in the first place? I'm surprised you do not agree with my reads. I shall re-evaluate them. You are Neutral to me for the reasons I mentioned: while you and Umasi are scumhunting (+), I believe you're doing it in an anti-town manner (-). That is: making logical leaps, confirmation bias, poor analysis. Scum can scumhunt too, and that's exactly how I imagine they'd do it. I also don't feel like I'm sheeping Superfluous. I raised some independent analysis regarding him in my earlier post (centering on the fact that our reads are very different, signifying a disconnect from my own POV that is significant enough to be Town-Scum). Are there any other glaring mistakes in particular you'd like to hear my thoughts on? On July 13 2013 19:37 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 15:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 15:43 Rainbows wrote: Sponge, I started the whole Stim thing. Chrom just questioned both of us then pooped all over him with it :p Chrom has made a couple missteps that I would consider 'uncharacteristic'. At the very least, they are poor play I did not expect from him. 1. His enthusiasm to lynch StiM after the blow-up (surely we can all see that it was more likely immature and pissy play from StiM and alignment-independent) contained logical leaks and overblows the importance of whether StiM lied about being mad or not. 2. Saying Superfluous was trying to not 'make waves' when he was the lone voice speaking up for an unpopular policy (Day 1 No Lynch) More importantly, when viewed as a whole, the bolded section above is a big stop sign on my vote to lynch StiM: Why would scum not alert StiM that everyone and their mother knew the jokepost was a joke and let him carry on in this manner? He'd have to be willfully disobeying his team, or (more likely) flying solo. If someone can give me a satisfactory answer to that, I'd feel much better about a StiM lynch. 1) You seem confident that Stim's blowup was alignment independent, can you address my earlier posts about why it's more likely from scum? I think it's pretty hard to overblow the importance of someone lying about their motivation without being able to explain it. You disagree? 2) The apologetic tone is the entire reason why Super looks bad. He's trying not to draw attention to himself and not to incite anyone (scummy). The Nolynch thing is totally non alignment indicative, which you should know. Explain your scumread on Super more. On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote: I may be biased but I put Chromatically as the most capable scumhunter. In last game, he pretty much had the whole scum team Day1. It goes without saying that I do not Chromatically's alignment as of right now. @Chromatically Your current scum reads? Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote: On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote: Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads? At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. I really don't like that last part where he gives one lurker the FoS, but a second one a free pass in the same post. I don't like that his reads seem diametrically opposed to mine, which implies a significant difference in frame-of-reference. I don't like his case on HZ (which is a case in name only). I don't like that he's suspicious of townies who enter the thread willing to lynch. On July 13 2013 21:48 Chromatically wrote: Sponge, could you also elaborate on you Umasi read? As I told Umasi late last night when we were the only two in the thread, I love his scumhunting, but I cringe at his methods. He's got a big problem with confirmation bias and attacking his target when he should just be poking, bringing the level of discourse down into the mud too soon. Like I said in the earlier post, I think he's Green-Black: Bad Town, Good Scum, or Good Town That I Just Can't Read. The early game aggression is much preferred to the alternative (lurking), but if he keeps some of these traits up into the late game, I'm worried for town. Moving on: On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: I am from Belgium guys, This game started at 12PM and I was tired after a working week. I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: On July 13 2013 11:39 Chromatically wrote: Also just noticed that Sponge hasn't given a single opinion on anyone all game after saying that he wanted people to judge him on his scumhunting, interesting. This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict. I hate Umasi and Chrom as lynch targets for Day 1. Town does not want to lynch guys this active and scumhunting this hard. Regardless of the fact that I think Superfluous is scummier at this point, I'd push for a Lurker lynch over one of either of Umasi or Chrom. ---------------- Current Events: I think StiM's case on Kirby is weak. Lots of fallacies in there. Everything quoted is interpreted single-mindedly as scum, and even the stuff that's pro town is justified as 'this is clearly scum trying to look town'. Please re read this post. He doesnt like someone because they have a different POV. Italso seems like he wants people to be with his scumhunting methods. Italics are by [i] [. /i]. Not literally, the spaces and period are to mess it up so you see it. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:19 GMT
#1118
On July 15 2013 11:16 Chromatically wrote: I was obviously very overconfident in my Kirby read. That's why I defended Super, because I was so certain that Kirby was the better lynch. I didn't ignore the Gotard case, I commented on it. It's really easy to make cases as scum, its pushing the reads and the thread interactions that make someone town. He only made the case under heavy pressure. In addition, Gotard was a very easy person to make a case on, exactly who I would have expected a scum Kirby to make a case on. Alaka, it's a lot easier to criticize the Kirby case when you know the outcome. Pretty much everyone agreed that it was a good case. It seems like the basis of the scumreads on me is that I led a mislynch, which isn't scummy because the reasons were good. I've been active in finding scum, pushing my reads, and open about my thoughts. I didn't know it was night when I posted my initial disagreement with you. However it does seem with that you were able to sway many. I guess I should read his filter. People were saying based on his filter a lot. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:32 GMT
#1121
-_- I mean, I sux but Chrom looks big time scum. He is 1st tunnel from me. I wouldn't trust jkirby's reads though. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:41 GMT
#1126
Also, you tunnel much and then switch tunnel really fast! Heck where do I start? But everyone seems to think you are town. Wait a minute while I catch up. Fwiw: superfluous is town. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:46 GMT
#1134
On July 15 2013 11:38 Umasi wrote: guys, why is chrom scum aside from leading a mislynch. Hahahahahaha "Line em up!" Don't defense just by parroting what he already said if you look like scum together, not only did you make my read on him stronger you added yourself to it. Look at the disagreement I had with him: at first I wanted to get the lynch off Kirby, then I learned Kirby was green and completely went nuts. However, before that? I was already saying (or maybe just thinking) stuff like "tunnel much? Stim doesn't have to be scum" etc | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:48 GMT
#1135
On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote: but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. Wow wow wow WHAT? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:49 GMT
#1136
On July 15 2013 11:43 Chromatically wrote: Control-F "Xzavier" in his filter, it's not hard. Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:51 GMT
#1139
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:52 GMT
#1143
On July 15 2013 11:50 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:49 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 11:43 Chromatically wrote: Control-F "Xzavier" in his filter, it's not hard. Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak. Superflous has NO CASE on Xzavier. You agree with that right? Yes... Or very little at least. He may have thought it was a case. On July 15 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:48 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote: but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. Wow wow wow WHAT? Ask anybody of the people that sheeped. That is the reason they will give you. I don't see a problem. HOLY- THAT IS THE PROLEM YOU JUST SAID THE PROBLEM | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 02:59 GMT
#1145
On July 15 2013 11:51 Umasi wrote: I think he's townier than a lot of people give him credit for, but whatever. my reads are apparently worth jack in the face of mighty Alakaslam. by the way you are literally trying to build post flip cred by saying "oh I think kirby's town. Wait, he's town? WHAT A COINKIDINK!" I have a hard time believing that you'd just enter the thread and be like "huh the games been going on, and I'm in it. That means someone was modkilled, or requested a replacement, which will occur at the end of the day." "huh it must be the middle of the day." I'd assume that the first thing you did was LOOK AT THE RESULT. Ok, I'm sorry for being so bombastic but after the Mind rape that is NWM this game looks solved practically. But when I think about it, I always look scummy too, so I'll read like suggested. But holy shizang you are right, my confidence has shot to 10,000% | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 03:00 GMT
#1146
On July 15 2013 11:56 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:52 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 11:50 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 11:49 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 11:43 Chromatically wrote: Control-F "Xzavier" in his filter, it's not hard. Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak. Superflous has NO CASE on Xzavier. You agree with that right? Yes... Or very little at least. He may have thought it was a case. On July 15 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 11:48 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote: but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. Wow wow wow WHAT? Ask anybody of the people that sheeped. That is the reason they will give you. I don't see a problem. HOLY- THAT IS THE PROLEM YOU JUST SAID THE PROBLEM I know that it is very bad that they did that. But in this case it is not a scumread. We were posting like madman, they were overwhelmed and decided to follow the council that consisted out of everybody his townreads. Hz, and I were making cases to save kirby and to lynch super. Chroma was doing the opposite. Counsil decided that this was enough and added jack shit. Eventually they decided on Kirby lynch. Both r bad Read dat filter Ok so maybe Chrom is town LEMME READ | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 03:12 GMT
#1147
On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote: I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: Show nested quote + To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be 1) Stay Alive 2) Find a person to vote for 3) Find justifications for voting This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. In particular, I really like these two posts: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote: Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone.In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him. Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 04:37 Superfluous wrote: Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far? Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie. Basically: Super is trying to find scum, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance. Kirby is NOT trying to find scum, but he's trying to look like he is. I like this only if we emphasize reasons and not justifications, otherwise hzflank's case in that regard would be right. Scum wants to do that. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 03:22 GMT
#1148
On July 15 2013 00:06 hzflank wrote: Also Chrom, What is this?: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote: Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. No it is not! Finding a reason to vote for someone is town. Finding a person to vote for with reasons is very much not town. What concerns me right now is that you know that. I cannot believe that you believe that. Haugh! Hz strengthens my read on Chrom. I did not know he knew that. I am actually newer here than he XD I should probably skim my other games real quick to be fair, but don't worry, Sunday means I have a lot of time | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:01 GMT
#1152
On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote: Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia" Show nested quote + Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things:
You people! Rofl I said this over and again just before I lost my shit but it takes a quote I guess. *Pays for using phone all the time finally* Shwaddever. I be just bitter. Reading away, page 33 or so | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:07 GMT
#1155
On July 15 2013 05:22 StiMaDDict wrote: Well shit, my bad about deadline. I'm getting replaced after Day1. Here are my last thoughts. I don't think Gotard and jkirby can both be scum. Watch out for Koshi. Regardless of what jkirby or Superfluous flips, the possibility that they are both scum exists. One of 3 lurkers is likely a scum but no more than 1, imo. Chromatically and hzflank should work together and mafia won't stand a chance. Leave Umasi to do whatever he wants, he is great discussion leader even if he is crazy. I think that's all. Good luck town. I think town has the overall control of the game. I hope I was helpful in some way. + Show Spoiler + I don't know if it is good move to claim but I'm VT Vt could mean vanilla town, ppl instantly said vet. Why? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:09 GMT
#1156
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:10 GMT
#1157
On July 15 2013 13:06 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 05:17 Umasi wrote: On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote: Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself. That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote. You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die" Reminds me of Onegu. In fact, that's EXACTLY what Onegu did haha I don't want to judge you based on his meta but still t.t But day3 on a one man scumteam for me so you cant compare to much. Hehehe I was wondering what your reaction to that would be XD | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:20 GMT
#1159
On July 15 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote: On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL Hell yes! This what I been lookin for all game. WE ALL SUX HUZZAH!! XD Really though, Chrom has me 100% null on him right now. Still catching up. I just hope I'm not better with my gut than with my brain. Reminds me of someone: HE'S SCUM GUESS WHY KTHANKS BYE | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:27 GMT
#1161
On July 15 2013 06:12 Rainbows wrote: Kirbys list post corresponds so much with my own musings that hes likely town. maybe both of these guys are town. <HMMM ya think?> Is how this looks post-flip. I am bringing a ton of bias with me. Take me with grain of salt please, I am bout ready to go all chromatically on chromatically- I don't need the whole town to sheep me for it XD | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:29 GMT
#1163
On July 15 2013 13:23 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 07:04 Chromatically wrote: Trying to stay alive isn't a scumtell though. Let's say that you come back to the thread and see a case on you. Your forat order of business, as would be any townie's, is to defend yourself. I really think that Super is just new. His posting doesn't feel like scum. He makes an honest effort to scumhunt, he points out things that he thinks are scummy (ex: one random sponge post). Agree 100% Heh, now I KNOW you're town, don't need stim to say it. Sure didnt feel that way last game XD ... Last game being the finished one. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:37 GMT
#1164
On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote: On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote: Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote: I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him 2) Xzav read him as scum 3) Xzav hasn't contributed 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him 5) Gut read I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. What a strong strong case that is. Lurk + OMGUS + fluff + aid wagon and it's all accusation not near as strong as the flawed case against jkirby. ??????? Augh augh augh my bias is torturing me | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:38 GMT
#1165
On July 15 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote: On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote: On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote: Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote: I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him JEEZ THIS IS SCUMMY 2) Xzav read him as scum SO DID UMASI 3) Xzav hasn't contributed YES HE DID? READ THE ENTIRE XZAV POST WHERE HE ALSO MENTIONS SUPER 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him SHEEPED WHO? UMASI? 5) Gut read CRAZYYYYYYYYY I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I capslocked my response. I quoted all 3 posts of Super about Xzavier You were able to find 5 points? I am having a feeling that you are all-in on this Kirby vs Super lynch? Chrom, you are going to look very bad when Super turns red. You realise that? But what if both are town koshi? Otherwise Ty. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:43 GMT
#1166
On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. Hurricane did you get enough sleep before this? Three scummiest in a mini, while he votes on another! And town consensus is on a fifth! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:44 GMT
#1167
On July 15 2013 07:25 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight. Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then? Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest. I haven't thought about you flipping town, I'd have to see how the voting goes. I don't really want to devote thought to it I'd like to see how the voting goes if you flip scum too, but Koshi would pretty much be a for sure lynch. It's not particularly relevant at all now, it can be discussed after the flip. ... Chromatically. Is. Totes. Scum. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 04:49 GMT
#1168
On July 15 2013 07:45 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote: I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. Don't worry. You're the bandwagon leader. I don't need your mobility today. Keep on doing you, Chrom. Hurricane. No fair town cred on meta. NO FAIR! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 05:59 GMT
#1180
On July 15 2013 09:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Everybody get up It's time to slam now We got a real jam going down Welcome to Alakaslam Page this is on is best page Sorry or the insults everyone. Scum svengali-Ed everybody, everybody. Me Included. Even though I wasn't here. That was so epic back in the early 50's. to the host "Just stop editing- no stop period just don't do anything" So awesome I need to sleep I have been getting || close to taking flak at work for not enough sleep But mafia is too bamcis Mafia is too bamcis | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 06:02 GMT
#1181
On July 15 2013 09:12 Koshi wrote: You guys got to agree that this mafia game is 10 times more epic than that nuke game without nukes. Don't talk about other games koshi + Show Spoiler + and no, that thing is like training. Kinda tired but I'm so close | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 06:14 GMT
#1182
On July 15 2013 09:42 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 09:41 Koshi wrote: Chroma? You still here? Just tell me plain and simple why Super is scum There was no interaction between Super and Kirby. Super should not have become more or less suspicious by the death of Kirby. Why is Super scummy? I haven't even read his filter, I'm just considering the possibility because he was the opposite wagon on a town lynch. Lie I thought you f-5ed Xzavier in his filter I may now rest in peace as one having caught up and thinking he has probably caught scum. Ahhh...... Yeah. Goodnight, might post again as I will catch up to my first post but probs not. Btw Umasi let us lose our shit together- I propose the SLAMMIN' UMASI PARTY- where people say "dude rofl you totes scumbuddy with Chrom linin' em up" and follow with "Umasi totes town guys srsly sorry I talk out my ass when not read thread, UMASI WE RULE TOGETHER" Cuz yes this what I'm sayin. If I was actually as cool as Kenpachi I'd have put Mahmoud akhmadinejadhajinameicantremember's photo and if you were as cool as our host it'd be beneath you Suffice to say we aren't and this is the last time I try to ascribe to it in a newbie. Sorry Onegu I'm gonna bug as I'm liking koshi here. Not everything but he ain't scum far as I can see. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 06:40 GMT
#1184
Hah couldn't help myself saw a bum with that- "why lie? I need a beer" I know Pete said lying as town isn't always bad but no yes it is don't lie to town Don't Newbies like us still believe in scum slips, I disagree because HOST so I sheep with my entire philosophy at coming to this game but point is newbies will take any lie as a SCUMSLIP so why u do this as town? Especially this way? Did you not remember you were filter diving to defense him? Runs excellently orchestrated lynch Acts foolish afterward Not SCUMSLIPs goodnight Lol caps correct all you want, little 4s my phone is so cool. Apple haters don't worry I built the PC I never get to use with a buddy of mine Must sleep, for real now Umasi the party is bamcis all you need to do to create it is say "Chezzy" in some post within 3 spoilers while using the spoilers to make a case on a scumread I feel accomplished and insane all in one Dude I asked KadaverBB to ban me once cause I got like this, I wasn't even this bad I need to sleep | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 14:17 GMT
#1224
On July 15 2013 19:11 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: I am from Belgium guys, This game started at 12PM and I was tired after a working week. I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: On July 13 2013 11:39 Chromatically wrote: Also just noticed that Sponge hasn't given a single opinion on anyone all game after saying that he wanted people to judge him on his scumhunting, interesting. This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict. First thing I have already said hurricane should not get town cred for that post, I would be MORE likely to post that as scum. The second part you are correct the first time, there is no way that post of chromes is a scum tell. Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote: @hzflank That is a really impressing post. I would give you a cookie but I will give you this instead. ##Vote: Superfluous I also like the kirby case but kirby hasn't posted in the last 20 hours. So I am reluctant to put my vote on him. Kirby has proven that he can make big analytical posts or at least is willing to do so. He has proven that he can pick up on 1 scummier sentence in a big convincing pro town post. So I would like to give kirby the chance to do this before I put my vote on him. I have already said I think super is bad town, I think you and hurricane are starting to make sure the lynch wagons stay on 2 town. Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote: I am not leaning Town on kirby AT ALL. But I am saying that I like the Super case much better. If there was a lynch right now I would go: 1) Super 2) kirby 3) Gotard 4) no lynch unless everybody really wants Stim. Again keep wagons the same, but you are also ok with a no lynch? Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 00:10 Koshi wrote: Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in. I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case. Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead. Same things with wagons, give control to choose to hurricane and tell others to sheep him. Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 03:39 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 03:30 Chromatically wrote: On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote: On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote: On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote: On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote: @Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad? Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time. The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point. Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum? You too, Koshi, I have no interest in doing so. I am also bored with the fact that we need to keep making our own giant posts to get completely ignored by your tunneling on Kirby. If you don't agree with me that both players look scummy atm but Kirby might be easier to read in Day 2 because he posts more and is more aggressive. Then we don't have much to discuss. If there are 6 votes on Kirby expect me to give the 7th. But for now I believe Super is the best choice. I just hate this, when someone asks give your points. Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote: Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 06:15 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 06:13 Umasi wrote: On July 15 2013 06:12 Koshi wrote: Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum. If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE" If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them. Koshi, that's useless Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.- lol? look at any other game. Sheeping is not allowed. My last post in the Nuclear Mafia game is " Guys I will follow you on X because I believe you". The answer that I got "Don't sheep, make your case if you follow". Didnt you already say you were ok with sheeping this game, And again yes they should make thier own reads, but if they are voteing on something I feel strongly about it isnt my job to force them, if you feel the other wagon is correct its your job. Do you really believe this? If I am dead I cannot find scum, cannot vote for scum. If I am alive as VT and playing a strong game I possibly force a KP on me instead of someone they think is a blue. Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote: I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS Just lol, besides being wrong, remember that whole thing about being a jackass Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote: I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not? I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen? Why do we want this to happen? What good comes from his claim here it is so much worse that he lived and scum would know he was blue. You just blamed kirby for being a marytr why are you voteing yourself? Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 09:00 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote: On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote: Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop. I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super. Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch. Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check. That's the best I got, GG guys. KIRBY WHY DID YOU NOT POST EARLIER FUCK DAMMIT SHIT TOO LATE NOW STAY THE COURSE IF YOU COULDN'T SEE THAT HE WAS USEFUL THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME I QUESTION YOUR SANITY Wait didnt you have a scum read on him for a long time so it obv wasnt the entire game... Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:38 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 11:07 Xzavier wrote: let me specify, thoughts on the interactions of the circle beyond the core three. The circle was something silly. I have no reads there. They did nothing, except made themselves special. Really no reads? You let them have power and told people to sheep them. Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote: but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. Earlier you say dont sheep, now sheep, which is it? It's funny, by morning light I don't like Koshi so much | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 14:28 GMT
#1225
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 15:45 GMT
#1236
On July 15 2013 15:14 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 09:42 Chromatically wrote: On July 15 2013 09:41 Koshi wrote: Chroma? You still here? Just tell me plain and simple why Super is scum There was no interaction between Super and Kirby. Super should not have become more or less suspicious by the death of Kirby. Why is Super scummy? I haven't even read his filter, I'm just considering the possibility because he was the opposite wagon on a town lynch. Lie I thought you f-5ed Xzavier in his filter, back on page thirty-something, here you are on page fifty something claiming you haven't read it at all?!?!! I may now rest in peace as one having caught up and thinking he has probably caught scum. Ahhh...... Yeah. Goodnight, Umasi slam wakka wakka I'm tired | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 15:50 GMT
#1238
On July 15 2013 23:52 hzflank wrote: Just caught up. Initial thoughts: Chrom and Super are not both scum. That's the only really solid association that I see. Chrom started to heavily defend Super 8 hours before the lynch, and that would never of happened if they were both scum. So to the people who are already making that association I suggest that you think along other lines. I do not like that whole council thing. It made it too easy to sheep. It was too early in the game for players to have such solid town reads on each other. I almost feel like people tried to put a reverse-sheep on me where I was told I that I should not move my vote (I will vote as I think best, I do not need other people to give me reasons to vote). First order of business is to be a play by play on the council thing. That whole council shpeil is based on too much NMM XLIII meta anyway. How the hell was that formed day 1... It like begging for Svengali play. Please google Svengali, outside of the context of mafia, if you don't get it. It's a French novel that I haven't read but that I know the gist of. Umasi where is the Chezzy post? Need it buried in a GOOD case | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 15:56 GMT
#1239
On July 15 2013 09:34 Koshi wrote: Super is scum? SUPER? The guy that you just defended? You weren't advocating that Kirby was a better lynch, you were advocating that Super wasn't scummy. What the fuck happened? On July 15 2013 09:39 Chromatically wrote: Kirby flipped town. I defended Super primarily to get Kirby lynched. I still think that people were voting him for bad reasons, and the reasons I put up against the case are valid. I'm not saying that he is scum, I haven't even read his filter since the flip. I am saying that it definitely deserves consideration now. That association made it look otherwise. You're right though. Why does it matter then? How is super at all scummy now, what in his filter has changed? XD that may be a case against him actually Whatever I'm obviously tunneling | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 15:59 GMT
#1241
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 16:00 GMT
#1242
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 16:08 GMT
#1243
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 18:33 GMT
#1275
On July 16 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote: Promise, unless you write anything other than "chronic acid user" for Alaksalam Funny thing is irl I am not just clean but teetotal, what grinds me to decay is lack of sleep late at night. But I am beyond psycho yes In the meantime koshi I won't be upset if you call me alakasplat but please explain Rainbows explain Lesgo | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 15 2013 18:37 GMT
#1276
Oddly enough meta exists for me outside of mafia- if anyone feels the need to unwind but feels guilty for not keeping up on thread watch day[9] daily #455, it's a funday Monday and you will see that I approach Starcraft much the same way as mafia. I don't do that every game though, sometimes proxy immortal actually woks at my level and it is the greatest riot of all time When I try to play legitimately I make it to silver. ........ Chrom why couldn't you be totes scum for me? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 00:43 GMT
#1369
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 00:48 GMT
#1376
On July 16 2013 09:43 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote: When I got over the shock of seeing the second kill, I had no idea which kill was made by scum and which kill was made by the SK. You seemed to know. Hey, I could be wrong. But based on my reads, that's what I figured. I'm not obsessing over it, because I don't think that information is relevant, is it? HURRICANE SLAY ME FIRST | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 00:53 GMT
#1382
On July 16 2013 09:47 hzflank wrote: Did anyone else immediately think: I guess that guy was killed by scum and the other guy was killed by town/3p? Wtf it is perfectly natural for scum to have rounded up KP + Show Spoiler + haha not me.. I see where you are going, we are newbies here but I thought people had established that it must be 3p or scum but if we lynch 3p we lynch scum, many dont even make the distinction. So clearing that up I thought would seem scummy but now town having the info will be beneficial. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 00:57 GMT
#1388
WRACKED WITH META BIAS AAAAUG At least Onegu is 100% town this time, the master shall be an incredible asset | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 00:59 GMT
#1392
On July 16 2013 09:58 hzflank wrote: So you suddenly think I am scum because I caught your slip? SCUMSLIP doesn't exist Lol phone is bamcis again I won't argue | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:02 GMT
#1397
On July 16 2013 09:55 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 09:53 Alakaslam wrote: On July 16 2013 09:47 hzflank wrote: Did anyone else immediately think: I guess that guy was killed by scum and the other guy was killed by town/3p? Wtf it is perfectly natural for scum to have rounded up KP + Show Spoiler + haha not me.. I see where you are going, we are newbies here but I thought people had established that it must be 3p or scum but if we lynch 3p we lynch scum, many dont even make the distinction. So clearing that up I thought would seem scummy but now town having the info will be beneficial. Not in a open setup where it isnt stated. Pshaw, nothing is stated BH can do whatever BH pleases, he wants to give scum 5 KP if they bus all but godfather so be it. What is so open about this setup? But shwazzever alakafish steps down | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:05 GMT
#1398
On July 16 2013 10:01 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 09:59 Alakaslam wrote: On July 16 2013 09:58 hzflank wrote: So you suddenly think I am scum because I caught your slip? SCUMSLIP doesn't exist Lol phone is bamcis again I won't argue Just remember scum have a tracker this game! HELL YES I MUST FIND THEM AND TR- .......... NEW GAME CRAP I HAVE NO POWER ........... I actually have to try to use skills... Hmm. This may be interesting. ... FAUGH! I must be useful somehow! DIVE THEM FILTAS! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:32 GMT
#1412
On July 16 2013 10:06 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + Galactic Win Condition - Galactics win when they control the lynch or nothing can prevent that from happening. Scum has 1 KP. It is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum, with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks. What were you saying alakaslam? WHERE WAS THIS I THOUGHT I HAD 10/10 VISION OR SOMETHING I FAIL THE OP | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:32 GMT
#1413
On July 16 2013 10:30 Chromatically wrote: I was roleblocked. Shit | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:33 GMT
#1414
(XD I will look worry not) | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:36 GMT
#1416
Hmm. I actually don't think jailer should claim if he did, actually I don't know if it was wise to claim this Chrom. I don't know though, how does it help town? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:44 GMT
#1422
On July 16 2013 10:38 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 10:36 Alakaslam wrote: Appears they may. However you may have been jailed too. Hmm. I actually don't think jailer should claim if he did, actually I don't know if it was wise to claim this Chrom. I don't know though, how does it help town? was this even a question? fuck no the JK shoudlnt claim, thats stupid. and yes chrom should have claimed, if nobody else claims they were roleblocked we now know that in this game there is atleast 1 of the following two, a town JK, or a scum RB. If we get another roleblocked claim then we know we have both. this helps town because this gives town more information. having the JK claim gifts a power role to scum. please stop Claiming jk is obv stupid, yes I worded I don't think that can be used slang sorry. Did not know it was worth claiming roleblocked however. Thought it might be a form of blue fishing but I will hush. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 01:52 GMT
#1434
Would scum claim a RB or is that WIFOM? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 02:22 GMT
#1452
On July 16 2013 11:17 hzflank wrote: I have a confession. I have not read Alaka's filter (maybe I looked up a single point or two, but that's it). I will give it a full read tomorrow. No offense Alaka, i like you, but when I try to get inside your head I end up needing paracetamol. None taken. The mind of an aspie is by definition unusual. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 02:23 GMT
#1454
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 02:24 GMT
#1455
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 02:24 GMT
#1456
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 02:34 GMT
#1465
On July 16 2013 11:27 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 11:14 hzflank wrote: Also, remember that Onegu is the new Stim. Stim was never fully cleared. Onegu should be in the: No way in hell we are lynching him today category, but that does not make him likely town. Yes I should no way be heavy town Stim was scummy looking and this could be my 3rd or 4th scum game, and I like to be really active as scum. Oh and Nightcat is noob town. Too bad you are my heaviest town read based 50% on meta | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 03:11 GMT
#1483
On July 16 2013 11:52 Nightcat99 wrote: Well since i feel like i am on the chopping block i will do what i can. First off all, stim's blow up can just be a big play since he was on the chopping block, even with his claim does make him a townie by any means. cloud posted almost nothing , if cloud continuing playing i would have put him as a lurking scum because he posted no opinion of his own but he got replaced so..... Abra Kadabra, ALAKASLAYUM!! i am still leaning that gotard is scum because of his snarky comment on every other post, it seem like he recheck his post and put those in in case there is future slip ups. super can still be scum , nothing has change in the last 24 hour i dont know why a mislynch turn into a town - town read. i was totally expecting either hurricane or umasi to die and didnt know see rainbow going, so even through i had strong feeling that these two were town, now i am not so sure, but if i have to pick it will be hurricane that is the scummier of the two, because hes the one that started the first day tribunal and that is a silly idea even to me. but i really have nothing . P.S. i will keep reading and this game is hard i am getting a headache. It's funny how I replaced a perfectly new and almost rational player with B A T S H I T Insane | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 03:31 GMT
#1490
On July 16 2013 12:17 Nightcat99 wrote: i dont know why , i cant help but feel that this newbie game is really hard so i checked the other newbie game, page 75 on day 2 is apparently not normal..... Pshaw, read Nuclear Winter when this game is done | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 03:33 GMT
#1491
On July 16 2013 12:26 Xzavier wrote: i need to go soon but i can answer any questions people have now. i think iv already said that most of my tomorrow is stupidly busy, my wednesday is totally free though after class (in the morning, so it will be the same time people usually wake up (around noon) Ok what time zone u in | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 03:41 GMT
#1495
On July 16 2013 12:38 Nightcat99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 12:31 Alakaslam wrote: On July 16 2013 12:17 Nightcat99 wrote: i dont know why , i cant help but feel that this newbie game is really hard so i checked the other newbie game, page 75 on day 2 is apparently not normal..... Pshaw, read Nuclear Winter when this game is done i just read a little of that game, it doesnt state the roles, no amount of scum and nukes flying around ... MY HEAD!!! My type of game, yes Sorta. I'm not yet experienced enough for it, I have been no credit to town. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 03:43 GMT
#1496
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 03:50 GMT
#1497
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 15:41 GMT
#1503
Mornin CRAP IT'S 8 I NEED TO DRIVE TO AZ TODAY- I should have yesterday, what am I stressing over? So Onegu's case is all that happened overnight yet it's plenty of homework! Shall read, go to AZ, and post thoughts somewhere in between... | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 15:54 GMT
#1504
On July 16 2013 22:27 Onegu wrote: And really look at what the tribunal acomplished. Invited Svengali but whatever. Hey your case works but not perfect lemme look at that monster again already forget why | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 16 2013 15:56 GMT
#1505
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:17 GMT
#1692
On July 17 2013 02:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote: And explain this, please. I just looked over page 37 here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227¤tpage=37 What did you find so relieving? People didnt immediately all assume vt meant vet | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:19 GMT
#1693
On July 17 2013 02:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote: On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote: @hurricane Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable? Post is self nullifying -_- | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:22 GMT
#1694
On July 17 2013 02:53 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:05 Umasi wrote: Kirby, I disagree. Scum has more than one goal in a game, believe it or not. It's not just to build towncred, otherwise being scum would be easy. (imo) Since all you'd have to do is be like me in the past game and post so fucking much and so irrationally that you won't get lynched And the first time alakaslam roles scum he will win, this I am 100% sure. SSSSSHHHHHHHHJJJJJJJJJJHJHHHHHHHHHHHHH1!!!!!!!!!!1' YOU RUIN IT + Show Spoiler + rofl how? Tell me post game | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:24 GMT
#1695
On July 17 2013 03:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 02:57 Nightcat99 wrote: i just wanted to point out that i have been reading the guides for mafia and it clearly stated Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence so hurricane not willing to explain his case because there is only one finger pointing at him is kind of odd so points finger. I established my innocence via quality posting. I'll refute the individual arguments when I feel the time is right. For now, get your vote on me if you actually think I'm scum. Otherwise, let's see some hunting, not sheeping. ....... Wow Oatsmaster style ftw Check the vote thread | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:32 GMT
#1696
On July 17 2013 03:49 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 03:05 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 03:03 Chromatically wrote: On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote: On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible. Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town. Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS. That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"? It's win-win. If they don't jump on me, then I won't die. If they do, then it gives us reads on scum. There's another reason that I'm not quite ready to share yet (time-sensitive), but I promise I will share it if it looks like my lynch is inevitable. (The above bolded is the reason I'm making this play) NO NO NO NO NO FUCK THAT FUCK THAT ALL THE WAY TO HELL JESUS I DON'T EVEN GET LIKE, A SCUM READ ON YOU THAT'S JUST STUPID you basically just said "well if my lynch is inevitable I will then post something useful to town" jeeeeezus tell me if I misunderstood horribly. YESSS. UMASI THE PARTY IS!!! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:34 GMT
#1697
On July 17 2013 03:52 Onegu wrote: I know town wont cause a mislynch only scum. So if a mislynch is caused it will be by scum, if that happens we lynch the person who was set to be lynched and the person who caused the mislynch. The only time scum can do this is at lynch or lose, not day one. What u tired bro | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:37 GMT
#1698
On July 17 2013 04:19 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I didn't understand Chrom's roleblock claim. Did any analysis come of that? Were we able to deduce anything? Glad to see I wasn't the only one to feel this way. Lets see if Koshi slayed you for it -_- | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:39 GMT
#1699
On July 17 2013 04:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 04:30 Chromatically wrote: On July 17 2013 04:19 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I didn't understand Chrom's roleblock claim. Did any analysis come of that? Were we able to deduce anything? You always claim roleblocks, it helps on later nights. Who do you want to lynch? No clear target right now. Super needs to post more or he becomes a frontrunner to hang. Gotard needs to give me his scum reads. I'm still waiting to see who else puts their vote on me. Alakaslam is oddly silent, but I've directed questions to him that he should be answering when he gets back. (Xzavier is my pick for SK. No one has answered my appeal to the thread on whether or not it would be worth it to try to ferret out the SK at this time.) 1. Where they got buried and I had a 10 hour workday that started at noon Actually said everything in 1. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:47 GMT
#1701
On July 17 2013 15:45 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 15:34 Alakaslam wrote: On July 17 2013 03:52 Onegu wrote: I know town wont cause a mislynch only scum. So if a mislynch is caused it will be by scum, if that happens we lynch the person who was set to be lynched and the person who caused the mislynch. The only time scum can do this is at lynch or lose, not day one. What u tired bro Yeah I post with people either right before I sleep or right after I am awake. And replace mislynch with no lynch. I caught up. I SLEEP NOT ONLY WORK AND MAFIA HAHAHAHAHAHA! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:49 GMT
#1702
What is this comma you speak of? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 06:59 GMT
#1704
On July 17 2013 15:51 Onegu wrote: PSA I AM ALWAYS ON REALLY REALLY STRONG PAIN MEDS ALL THE TIME! Not useing this as a excuse but if I misspell a word or leave a word out its not a scum slip. @Alakaslam Do you understand majority lynch? What is vote thread? Why Angie say nobody set to die yet need 6 to lynch dis make no sense waa waa + Show Spoiler + I know I missed the 1 KP thing in the OP but personally we have struck me as whiny-ass town, acting like our perfect little newbie world was going to last YOU'RE GONNA GET KICKED WITHIN THREE GAMES GET USED TO THIS STUFF ALREADY!!! I DON'T EVEN READ THOSE MAFIA WIKI STUFFS AND I KNOW THIS!! (Breathes heavily for a bit) (Sighs) (Realizes something) ^^this makes even more confusing!! Can you just clarify: you think I will win my first scum game or my team will? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:19 GMT
#1708
On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler + Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements. Go read his filter, you must because I understand plurality lynch compels you and that will only work once Onegu. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:20 GMT
#1710
I put plurality XD | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:21 GMT
#1711
On July 17 2013 16:19 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 16:11 Onegu wrote: On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler + Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements. Let me post my gotard and nightcat cases, actually I will make them and when hurricane defends himself I will post them. You thought that Superfluous was townie, right? t.t how YOU NOT BE LAZY BLAZINGHAND NICE BLAZINGHAND PUT IT IN OP YOU MANAGE OP BEFORE? NOT EZ | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:24 GMT
#1712
If we iz foolish enough to fight tooth & nail target ducks the crowd and scapes | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:27 GMT
#1713
On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in Assuming this means my alignment wins, so far this is true but is likely to change soon, offsite. Looking worse than NWM over there. Speaking of NWM. Wait that's not within rools | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:54 GMT
#1715
On July 17 2013 16:41 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler + Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements. *points at spoiler* are you even reading SHSHHHHHHHHHHHHH | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 07:55 GMT
#1716
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:09 GMT
#1756
On July 18 2013 02:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on my answers to Onegu's case. I like them, you did quite well. But that isn't why I voted you. Meta meta! Thou art a bombastically assured individual this game, not the hurricane I know. Then again I have changed some as well. Of course, at this point I am solo voting you, why do this in majority? So see the thread. I had already liked a Gotard lynch before. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:19 GMT
#1760
On July 18 2013 03:08 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:04 Onegu wrote: On July 18 2013 01:11 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: On July 13 2013 13:02 Nightcat99 wrote: Ya I got nothing to say about the timing of my respond, I was taking the train so I had time to respond, and now I am In the hotel bit thet got a lot of alcohol so if I start posting nonsense, I blame the alcohol. I will be honest that I don't have a read on super yet, it just feels like he might be busy like me and today is the first day so I will need to find some time to reread everything when I am home. I however feel that the beginning of the ame is not a time for witch hurt but a time to establish your innocent, because there is only 3 scum and 10 iinnocent, if we are able to find 4 innocent to work together, we shall not be able to lose. Btw, if there is any grammar or spelling error in my post, I apologize in advance, it's really hard to type o. The phone. I know this is conspiracy crazy but if hurricane and nightcat were scum together, here is the start of the tribunal. On July 15 2013 08:50 Nightcat99 wrote: lol hzflank my vote is not suspicious because they dont need my vote for a switch. regardless who i vote they still have 3 people to lynch either kirby or super, my vote is just away to prove my innocents and that i am mobile and active now. Votes in no way are a way to prove innocense. On July 15 2013 09:29 Nightcat99 wrote: and the game got really hectic, i will be honest that i really wanted to switch out of jrkirby ont he last few minutes because his last minute insight is very sounded and seems very townie. Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop. I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super. Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch. Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check. That's the best I got, GG guys. and also since hes a proven townie now , we shall really look into his reads. I didnt want to vote the townie, guys Im innocent. On July 16 2013 09:06 Nightcat99 wrote: just curious if none of you guys on the tribunal die , does that make me less suspicious? Again this post is really just like please dont look at me no matter what happens. On July 16 2013 11:52 Nightcat99 wrote: Well since i feel like i am on the chopping block i will do what i can. First off all, stim's blow up can just be a big play since he was on the chopping block, even with his claim does make him a townie by any means. cloud posted almost nothing , if cloud continuing playing i would have put him as a lurking scum because he posted no opinion of his own but he got replaced so..... i am still leaning that gotard is scum because of his snarky comment on every other post, it seem like he recheck his post and put those in in case there is future slip ups. super can still be scum , nothing has change in the last 24 hour i dont know why a mislynch turn into a town - town read. i was totally expecting either hurricane or umasi to die and didnt know see rainbow going, so even through i had strong feeling that these two were town, now i am not so sure, but if i have to pick it will be hurricane that is the scummier of the two, because hes the one that started the first day tribunal and that is a silly idea even to me. but i really have nothing . P.S. i will keep reading and this game is hard i am getting a headache. Talking about lurking scum because he didnt post at all. I thought you talked about makeing a group of four people to control the lynch. On July 17 2013 09:58 Nightcat99 wrote: On July 17 2013 09:45 hzflank wrote: Thanks Nightcat. I agree with your points on Gotard and with most of your reasoning (timing of your vote, etc). Out of interest, what do you think of Onegu? My opinion on Onegu is that he got way too much credit for stims blowup and VT claim, its like he walks into the game with a townie tag on his head and every one just accepted that. As far as i am concern, since we dont know the reason stim left, the blowup could still be a big scum play cause he feels that hes in danger. On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote: Scumteam Hurricane Koshi Rainbow/gotard I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. This is the only post i have foound on Onegu for scum reads, every thing else is just commenting on other peoples post and giving an opinion or saying if they are good or bad, Onegu made alot of post but not alot of reads. So i would like to ask for your new scum reads now because those picks are obviously outdated and atleast 50% incorrect. That is what scum hunting is... Alot of I am sorry in his filter also. That was nightcat volunteering to sheep the Tribunal. We controlled his vote, but in no way did I trust him to be Town. All he proved is that his vote was mobile (which gave me reads on whether it was a town-town lynch if we can flip Nightcat red). Nope you are wrong here his post is on page 20, the tribual being started by you was page 41. Oh, sorry. I thought that was the quote of him sheeping us after the formation (reading comprehension yay). The point stands that he was never a part of the Tribunal, and was just sheeping his vote around at our request. He was never a strong enough town read for me to trust him as such and (as xzavier pointed out) the Tribunal was most effective when limited to 3 people. Look, the tribunal is 100% an invitation for Svengali. Neither strong scum tell nor ideal town play, that is exactly why it works so well for scum- the people who realize this will have three targets while usually it is the gf heading it or just a member while other scum follow it without joining. Then if you start lynching tribunal it is still playing right into their hands. Just stop, don't do it anymore and quit talking about it, unless you are CERTAIN you know which members of it are scum and it is just peripheral reasoning to your case. Starting such a thing is usually a town idea I think, it is like a gift to scum that they must receive properly. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:22 GMT
#1761
On July 18 2013 03:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:09 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 02:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on my answers to Onegu's case. I like them, you did quite well. But that isn't why I voted you. Meta meta! Thou art a bombastically assured individual this game, not the hurricane I know*. Then again I have changed some as well. Of course, at this point I am solo voting you**, why do this in majority***? So see the thread. I had already liked a Gotard lynch before****. *: Using meta **: Misrepreseting facts (see: lying) ***: WIFOM ****: Unwillingness to vote Gotard despite scum read Not a good look, slambro. You are doing much of what you accuse me of in here by doing this Not good look Rofl | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:23 GMT
#1763
On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long. Meta again, you & Onegu switch places now I don't give a crap about don't use meta it is all I'm remotely good at | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:24 GMT
#1765
On July 18 2013 03:22 Onegu wrote: I swear if you mention Svengali again I am lynching you. Dooooooo ittttttttttttttt I don't know what else to call it, puppetmastering? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:26 GMT
#1768
In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:27 GMT
#1769
On July 18 2013 03:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:23 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long. Meta again, you & Onegu switch places now I don't give a crap about don't use meta it is all I'm remotely good at You think you're good at using meta? By your logic, if I do ANYTHING differently this game from last game, I am scum. Is this correct? No. If your entire style and aims are. Which is the case. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:28 GMT
#1771
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:31 GMT
#1773
On July 18 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Ebwop 2 of my posts up In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo His vote on me was a play. He practically had to spell it out for me (by requesting I go back and read a specific page-set with a clear head). He was fake-supporting Onegu's pressure so scum wouldn't feel exposed when they tried to hop on. hz even says that Onegu's case is weak in another post. I am the only scum in the game! I AM THE TRIUNE POKéMON! (Cross between Alakazam, Kingler, and Machamp) | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:35 GMT
#1779
On July 18 2013 03:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:27 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 03:23 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long. Meta again, you & Onegu switch places now I don't give a crap about don't use meta it is all I'm remotely good at You think you're good at using meta? By your logic, if I do ANYTHING differently this game from last game, I am scum. Is this correct? No. If your entire style and aims are. Which is the case. I'll play along. What's different this time compared to last time? Quote posts and be specific. I don't care about your 'gut reads' because scum can claim gut reads just as easily as town. This will take some Time and be a fairly Long post, plus my phone may drop it on me multiple times. Basically you are far more bombastic and willing to cherry pick town mistakes rather than point out town mistakes and build town. People can see your interactions with me for one but I have changed a lot so... I am developing a style now that sux but isn't as bad as when I try to be fully legit. So gimme whole day or is that gist enough? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:36 GMT
#1782
On July 18 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote: And there goes the ninja voteswap. Alakaslam is panicking now. That happened as soon as I finished the point where I said stop talking about the tribunal because SVENGALI if I was panicked I'd not say that ONEGU COME TUNNEL :D | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:37 GMT
#1783
On July 18 2013 03:36 Ange777 wrote: VOTE COUNT: Superfluous (1): Hurricane Sponge (1): Gotard (5): Chromatically, Hurricane Sponge, Umasi, hzflank, Alakaslam Not voting (3): Nightcat99, Gotard, Superfluous Currently no-one is set to be lynched. Deadline is in ~5,5 hours. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch! Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. Ohhhh... That is why I was lying, I forgot Onegu. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:38 GMT
#1785
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:42 GMT
#1788
On July 16 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 10:06 Onegu wrote: Galactic Win Condition - Galactics win when they control the lynch or nothing can prevent that from happening. Scum has 1 KP. It is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum, with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks. What were you saying alakaslam? WHERE WAS THIS I THOUGHT I HAD 10/10 VISION OR SOMETHING I FAIL THE OP Oh, I found something. Wouldn't scum know better? But I digress, need to find posts where you tear people up and never build someone except a specific couple people | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:43 GMT
#1789
On July 18 2013 03:39 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:38 Alakaslam wrote: In other words I must try. I will get a few, but try makin a case from your phone sometime, multiple quotes phone posting is an art. i still have y et to learn how to copy+paste on my phone so yeah. xD Real quick are you using an iPhone? It is really easy on iPhone. It's the holding 3 quotes in a paste while finding other quotes without the phone dropping it all when you switch tabs. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:46 GMT
#1790
On July 16 2013 01:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 23:46 Nightcat99 wrote: I just woke up but i have a question i been thinking about. Regardless that there is a mislynch, do you think the scum will kill one of the tribunal tonight to ensure that theres less voting power tonight, and if none of them die tonight does that make a the tribunal suspicious? For the record, the Tribunal is not a persistent entity. It was formed based on the flexible votes for the Day. Tomorrow, if it is necessary, it will be composed of an entirely new set of people (which may or may not include me). The group is valuable because it has vote mobility. It was necessary because Town needed to ensure a lynch. See stuff like this? NOT SCUMMY. I don't think it should continue, for reasons stated earlier, but this is why ONEGU thinks you are scum. I get null out of it. It is not as wise as you make it seem, but it is not scum tell either as those don't exist. Phone finally left that alone. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 18:54 GMT
#1792
On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: see this, and last game you saw that immediately, this game I am not part of the scum team so... Onegu style takes advantage of the factShow nested quote + On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote: I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though. This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 19:15 GMT
#1802
On July 18 2013 03:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote: I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though. This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) see this, and last game you saw that immediately, this game I am not part of the scum team so... Onegu style takes advantage of the fact What does this mean? 1.) What did I see immediately? My inferiority complex 2.) What is 'Onegu style'. Prey on town mistakes for towncred and mislynch power 3.) What is it that 'Onegu style' takes advantage of? Unsure and unskilled players (my inferiority complex/beliefs) IOW let me try and find stuff looking thru filter right now as this is actually a scummy move by me | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 19:16 GMT
#1803
On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#1806
On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:09 GMT
#1833
On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt Do I look intuitive to you? This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself. However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway). + Show Spoiler + Oh this is so much easier not needing to type bbcode And find Images! :D Wooohoooo My theme song | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:12 GMT
#1837
On July 18 2013 05:11 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:09 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt Do I look intuitive to you? This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself. However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway). + Show Spoiler + Oh this is so much easier not needing to type bbcode And find Images! :D Wooohoooo My theme song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWvKDSwvls Are you soft-claiming a PR? Any colour you like | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:13 GMT
#1839
On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:14 GMT
#1841
On July 13 2013 16:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 08:19 Koshi wrote: @Hurricane Sponge Koshi: I am still learning on how to play the game properly. I am extremely bad at scumhunting. I get very easily annoyed by people saying that I am scum (I am working on this). I love fluff posts. I hate illogical posts but it seems that illogical does not mean you are scum, however, I am not planning on ever making an illogical post and when I do please call me on it. As you can see, I got a lot of bad qualities that make me look scum all the time. However, I always prove that I am town by trying and hopefully this game I can prove it by actually nailing some scumreads. @Koshi Prove you're town by trying. Trying = posting. What are your gut reactions to the thread so far? Give me your top 2 scum reads and top 2 town reads. Apparently not | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:15 GMT
#1843
On July 13 2013 16:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 16:46 Umasi wrote: Because he was the first one to vote for StiM and if StiM flipped town, that would be extraordinarily suspicious. I'll put it another way. If StiM flipped green, would you push for a Chrom lynch? svengali target hunting | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:16 GMT
#1844
On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:17 GMT
#1848
On July 14 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 02:14 Rainbows wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 14 2013 01:51 StiMaDDict wrote: *sigh I fucked up. @Chromatically: You let me down and I let you down. I don't really know. I had a shitty day. I was pissed off at other things and I tried to let my stresses go away by posting on here. Then you blew it. Your nitpicking on whether I was angry or not and whether I was lying or not was really under my expectation. I think I gave you WAY TOO much credit from last game. Also you keep saying that I can't explain my so-called lie, but I did, god damn it. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote: Show nested quote + This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad.Note to all: + Show Spoiler + btw, I'm really trying to stay active. Sometimes I write really slow and I might be answering something that is couple of pages back. Sometimes I write one liners. My bad. + Show Spoiler + If you don't like it, well fuck you Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:34 StiMaDDict wrote: My bad, guys. Got pissed for no reason. Spoilers and quotes kept getting messed up. Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated. Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me. Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:24 StiMaDDict wrote: My previous post looks confusing. 1) I was mad at messing up posts but not at Rainbow 2) My anger reflected on my posts 3) Later when I realized that my posts were angry sounding I gave them purposes and maintain similar style. I hope this explains it better. Not sure if this is a relevant topic though. First one wasn't clear enough so I wrote the second. I had a shitty day, alright, so I wrote some cuss words on the Internet. It wasn't something that I was proud of but it happened. So I tried to cover it up as if it was intentional with purposes and purposes they did accomplished. If you want to argue about when I came up with the idea, well, why don't dissect my brain and see. Gosh, you pissed me off. @jkirby: What you doing? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 07:41 jrkirby wrote: Ok. I've been studying this long and hard, and I think I have enough evidence to make a clear case. hzflank is scum Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 04:04 hzflank wrote: On July 09 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote: On July 09 2013 03:20 hzflank wrote: On July 09 2013 02:13 Stutters695 wrote: Obligatory USE YOUR COACHES We're great guys and here to help With WoS as the scum coach, I do not think that town will need your assistance. Uh, ouch? Need I remind you that you won a game with Ace as the scum coach too? I meant it as a compliment. Sometimes the greatest players are the worst coaches because you just cannot teach pure brilliance. Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them. He goes on, still talking to the scum: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote: On July 09 2013 04:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: If you vote for an hzflank lynch based on pregame meta, I will fall instantly in love with you. Then scum should night kill the first person to vote for me, because as their lover you will also die. This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story. Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 04:19 hzflank wrote: On July 13 2013 04:09 Chromatically wrote: I won't be here for two hours after start. Then who will call my first post scummy? I will. Right here, right now. And for his first post: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 07:11 hzflank wrote: So we are using a majority vote system. As we all know there is much more chance of a No Lynch with this system than with plurality voting. I think it is in our best interest to try to lynch someone every day. This may seem a bit odd at first, because a mis-lynch is obviously better for scum than for town. However, the only way that town will win is by lynching scum, and we will never be sure if we are lynching town or scum unless the lynch actually goes through. If we narrowly fail to lynch then we end up spending the next day discussing it and do not move forward as much. Also, scum already know who they are. When someone is lynched the alignment information from their flip benefits town, but not scum. Therefore, I suggest we work together as much as possible to actually get lynches through, if they are in doubt. He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum. Finally: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote: On July 13 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote: Are there experienced players here? People that played a decent amount of games. Everyone here has played 3 or less games. On July 13 2013 07:24 Koshi wrote: Hi all. I played 1 newbie game in the TL+ forums and I am atm also playing in the nuclear mafia game. I am with Rainbows on the lynching of lurkers. The tl+ game got RUINED because nobody posted. So if you are town, I want you to make around 10 posts a day. Try to make posts that are aggressive and confront people with your thought. Don't be afraid to be wrong. If you are town, please consider doing this to help town and force scum to make posts. I think it is a bit early to be thinking about policy lynches on lurkers. Policy lynching can stifle discussion and we need discussion today. Once we get 24-36 hours in then we can consider it. Also, sometimes RL just happens for a day or two. Also, I think that there will be enough activity here. There are several players who I know will post a lot and we (the active players) cannot all die really early. Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk. You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum. ##Vote: hzflank He makes a pressure vote on hzflank and he never followed up on it at all. Yes, it did create a discussion between Rainbow and I, but not much from hzflank. He never provided his motive, explanation, or response after he made that one post. We know he was around when Rainbow and I were duking it out. Am I the only crazy one here and it's a normal thing to do with a pressure vote? If the purpose of the pressure vote is create a discussion why didn't he take a part? He takes it down couple of pages later basic saying that it didn't do much except getting some discussion. jkirby on Hurricane is basically this in my eyes: Your first post makes you look town. I think you post this AS A SCUM. If you are not, then show us your other post. Darn, it's too late now. I follow the thought process but it doesn't do much. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote: On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote: [quote] I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. This starts jkirby's trend of hedging. He drops the pressure as soon as he feels as it has been too long and Sponge could've written a copy. He doesn't say Sponge is a town or scum because of this, which I find disturbing. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote: On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote: On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [quote] Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [quote] This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else. Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance? Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. Umasi feels the same way it seems. Another excuse and nothing to indicate how he feels about Sponge as a result. The bold part is another hedging. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:58 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 09:53 Superfluous wrote: To address some things, especially umasi I guess. I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. All I was saying is that, to me, we have a higher chance of lynching town than mafia. We may also end up outing a role prematurely by pushing for a day one lynch. The games that I've played/followed where mafia has 1 kp it's standard to not lynch day one. Here there is no guarantee of cop so it's different, that's why I was asking about others' opinions and not saying we 100% should do it. Sorry if you felt my post was irrelevant but no one else had even pointed it out as an option. I feel like I'm just re stating what I already said in my previous post, not sure what else you want. I think it's foolish to PLAN to not lynch day one. But if I have a choice of lynching someone that I townread, and lynching no one, I will try to lynch no one. I hope other people would follow suit. This is his opinion. I don't agree with persay but it isn't really alignment indicative. It isn't a strong expression of opinion to be honest, just a "wish" (I added this because I didn't want to only pick out scummy things jkirby said and ignore rest of his filter) + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". Doesn't reveal his view on lurkers but just "throw" the topic of lurkers out on the table. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:22 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:18 Umasi wrote: Does it really matter if we haven't seen things from other players at this point? It's been two hours since the game began, some people could still be working, etc. The way you popped in, said one thing kinda suspicious, then popped out is what really irks me. Don't apologize and talk about other forums as an excuse, excuses are bad. Reasons are fine, but that didn't feel like a reason to me. We don't need to point out no lynching as an option, because it's BAD No lynching is something that scum would LIKE. I think I said it in the last game I played (too lazy to dig it up,) but the only tool a townie has is their vote, so don't waste it on something like a no lynch. There should always be someone who is objectively "scummiest" that you'd rather vote for than no lynch, have a little confidence. Well, this game is majority lynch, so voting for the "scummiest" person could be what causes a lynch not to happen. I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't mind lynching town either. General common sense. It's just me but I don't like this semi-joking statement. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank A list of suspicion list that doesn't have "legitimate" reasons or evidence. So he does feel suspicious about Sponge afterall about him not sharing his opening post in time, I'm assuming. About Rainbow, I am not sure. He words in a confusing way. In last game, jkirby thought Rainbow was scum but he was a town. So in this game he thinks Rainbow is a town but he could be a scum or vise versa? Concerning Umasi, his reasoning it not satisfying either. Also he doubts his ability to read other people. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:03 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: On July 13 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote: Kirby, who do you think is scum? Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank Why are you suspicious of Rainbows? What do you think about Super? Chromatically followed up asking why jkirby is suspicious of Rainbow and what he thinks of Super. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:56 StiMaDDict wrote: Waiting on jkirby's response to Chromatically's question. I had same question as Chromatically and brought it back up. At the end, he still hasn't answered it at the time of me posting this. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:47 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote: I play exactly the same as scum and town imo. Last game was just me being frustrated and correct :p lol. You should fear the Rainbows. Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum. I can never figure out when people are joking and not. This is just really fucking weak and gets on my nerve. If it is a joke, then fuck me. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:58 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 10:56 Umasi wrote: He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons. (I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone) the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk" is just kind of......weird? I think it's out of place and scummy. He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking. This is pretty fucking bad. Protecting a lurker when he was the one to bring up the topic at all. I don't know what he is trying to do, but then again, I'm fucked up pretty hard with my playstyle.. Anyway, protecting not just one lurker but pretty much all of them and making an excuse for them makes me think he is a scum. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 13:14 StiMaDDict wrote: On July 13 2013 13:08 Umasi wrote: Nightcat, the best way to establish innocence is to scum hunt, it's always time to scumhunt. Apparently I'm the scummiest fucking bastard in this game. Jump on board the StiM wagon and earn easy town cred! You know, I'm done. Contribute? Yeah fucking right. Sit in front of the computer for 6 fucking hours refreshing and trying to god damn contribute and what I get is "so you weren't angry but you pretended to be angry?" Town shouldn't lie about that. I wasn't fucking lying. Jesus. w/e. Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. I guess I should thanks for his kind words (?) but as Chromatically has pointed out, he is trying to pat me on the head as if he is saying, "Chromatically and Umasi could scum you know. Come here, you poor baby." + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters. No stand or point whatsoever. I'm not a scum. Chromatically and Umasi are not scum, but they are "bit" suspicious. What is your stance man? Stop hedging. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Well thanks, I think I'm stupid too. I'm not a town but you have a nullread on me? What was the purpose of writing above two posts then? Confused and scummy. I am not liking how he is dealing with me blowing up. He seems to be neither or both defending and pressuring in this situation. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum. Hedging. Period. Conclusion: jkirby is my biggest scumread atm. He seems to be Onegue from XLII. Acting as if he is contributing but without actual content. He is not really expressing his reads and tend much more to hedge. He has not established a strong stance as a town and hasn't given clear reasons for his suspicion. ##Vote: jkirby Mmmm greetings stranger. I'm not surprised to see your kind around here... I like the case, esp the hedging point. +1 Can you explain which parts of the case are most compelling to you? I disagree with this case, and I'd like to hear from someone who buys into it. I liked this but what happened later | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:18 GMT
#1851
On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? Because I refuse to defend myself. If the bus comes cool. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:19 GMT
#1852
On July 18 2013 05:18 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. YES | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:22 GMT
#1855
On July 18 2013 05:19 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:18 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. YES Well let me explain. Oneg had a case against hs that I thought was ok and he did defend really well. Then I had meta vibes, he's not playing like the strong town I once saw. He is playing far more. . . I don't know, capably and with more influence. He is basically controlling town at this point. I think that's great when there have been successful lynches but not when every single one seems to land on town, yet with great cases. When scum has a great svengali esque leader, town loses- LOSES! It is better that one die and point this out with his death than that he go defending himself and give svengali more towncred. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:23 GMT
#1857
On July 18 2013 05:19 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. please dont do this shit. Its towns duty to defend himself to the last breadth, and make as many logical cases and answer as many questions while he lives. A town player loves chances to defend himself, and loves nothing more than to defend himself.... No way! THis is all I did last newbie game and I was totes sucm for it. I'm not making that same mistake twice. And no, if I figure out someone and can implicate them with my flip, good. If I survive better. For now I am gonna build this | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:24 GMT
#1859
On July 18 2013 05:23 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Wait, alakaslam thought I was scummy. Why is he packing it in as if I represent the entire town vote? As town: A guy I think is scum accuses me. Play: Defend and counter-attack! As scum: A guy I know has huge town cred attacks me. Play: Curl up and cry. Incorrect! Or why was I lynched last game? Why was I so scummy last game? This IS my defense! .... Sort of. Anyway, back to work while I have the computer at my disposal. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:25 GMT
#1860
On July 18 2013 05:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:19 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:18 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. YES Alakaslam, I love you. But if this is your attitude, Forum Mafia may not be your game, friend. I have been starting to think this but I enjoy it immensely | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:29 GMT
#1864
On July 15 2013 07:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote: On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote: I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS Hahaha. Reading comprehension, kids! Learn to love it. See? Rather than correct, potshot Not the hurricane of last game. Admittedly he is right- You can't take a successful potshot and be wrong | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:31 GMT
#1865
On July 18 2013 05:26 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:19 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:18 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. YES Well let me explain. Oneg had a case against hs that I thought was ok and he did defend really well. Then I had meta vibes, he's not playing like the strong town I once saw*. He is playing far more. . . I don't know, capably and with more influence. He is basically controlling town at this point.** I think that's great when there have been successful lynches but not when every single one seems to land on town**, yet with great cases. When scum has a great svengali esque leader, town loses- LOSES! It is better that one die and point this out with his death than that he go defending himself and give svengali more towncred. *Not playing strong enough Not building I mean. TY **Playing too strong PLAYING SVENGALI. *** There has been one (1) lynch wasn't aware of this, did scum get a bunch of kp? how | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:32 GMT
#1866
On July 18 2013 05:31 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:26 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:19 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:18 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote: alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM" actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him. I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. YES Well let me explain. Oneg had a case against hs that I thought was ok and he did defend really well. Then I had meta vibes, he's not playing like the strong town I once saw*. He is playing far more. . . I don't know, capably and with more influence. He is basically controlling town at this point.** I think that's great when there have been successful lynches but not when every single one seems to land on town**, yet with great cases. When scum has a great svengali esque leader, town loses- LOSES! It is better that one die and point this out with his death than that he go defending himself and give svengali more towncred. *Not playing strong enough Not building I mean. TY **Playing too strong PLAYING SVENGALI. *** There has been one (1) lynch wasn't aware of this, did scum get a bunch of kp? how EBWOP oh yeah, vig shot. Ok, so scratch that point I guess | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:35 GMT
#1871
On July 16 2013 09:39 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 09:37 hzflank wrote: Chrom also had Rainbows as more scum in his pre-day post. And Sponge has Chrom as town. Because I have to be in lock-step with all of my town reads on their scum reads, right? Where's your head at right now, hz? You're not making sense. You contradicted this recently. But still, not really a potshot, I'm looking for potshots versus constructive criticism | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:36 GMT
#1873
On July 18 2013 05:33 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:32 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:31 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:26 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 05:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:19 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:18 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [quote] What? If I'm town, it's scum's job to defend you from me? Did you just admit you're scum? I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. YES Well let me explain. Oneg had a case against hs that I thought was ok and he did defend really well. Then I had meta vibes, he's not playing like the strong town I once saw*. He is playing far more. . . I don't know, capably and with more influence. He is basically controlling town at this point.** I think that's great when there have been successful lynches but not when every single one seems to land on town**, yet with great cases. When scum has a great svengali esque leader, town loses- LOSES! It is better that one die and point this out with his death than that he go defending himself and give svengali more towncred. *Not playing strong enough Not building I mean. TY **Playing too strong PLAYING SVENGALI. *** There has been one (1) lynch wasn't aware of this, did scum get a bunch of kp? how EBWOP oh yeah, vig shot. Ok, so scratch that point I guess go re-read the start of day2 please, we realized its impossible for it to be a vigi because he cant shoot N1 and SK have to shoot every night mmh this is why I shouldn't play multiple games at once | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:37 GMT
#1876
On July 18 2013 05:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Constructive criticism? Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 09:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 09:27 Nightcat99 wrote: I have been reading the filters again for gotard and super and here is what i think. On July 13 2013 19:53 Gotard wrote: Hello! After some lurking (jk I was sleeping) i'd like to share my thoughts: On July 13 2013 20:12 Gotard wrote: On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote: Gotard, who do you want to lynch? Easy question. Umasi and Xzavier!!! (jk) On July 14 2013 05:32 Gotard wrote: "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play. On July 16 2013 02:44 Gotard wrote: Getting mad after misreading. Emotional plays like that indicates bad town to me. Unless he wants to fake being mad after I defended Stim. And the most important note : he can't spell my name. On July 16 2013 03:40 Gotard wrote: On July 16 2013 03:33 Koshi wrote: Gotard, How can I become good town? You need to become town first. Play again!? On July 17 2013 07:33 Gotard wrote: Wanted to check stuff before going to sleep. (offtopic I might add you on osu! later if I will remember)[ He has been adding in j/k and other things in his post to make his posting seem much more relax then it is and thats a very scummy read to me. Plus it can be a precaution for future slip ups. Also he most recent post after long hour of lurking didnt help the situation but seems to make things worst On July 17 2013 07:27 Gotard wrote: My top reads: Town: -Umasi -Onegu Mafia: Superfluous - still didn't do anything pro town except for out of place cop advice. But everyone assumes town-town lynch day 1. Problem is that we couldn't move our votes freely because this tribunal thingy and there wasn't enough place for mafia to make big plays even when they would like to defend him. Another this is that Chromatically defended him so mafia didn't even have to do that. To be honest jrkirby's case on me could be good enough to put him as 2nd lynch but someone needed to put some effort into highlighting that. That is why even when that lynch looked like it was town-town it might not be the case. On July 16 2013 10:59 Superfluous wrote: For once I agree with Xzavier, Maf don't have to role block so they could just skip a night and say one of them got role blocked. That said I doubt they'd do it night one. This post looks like "hey everyone! Mafia don't have a role blocker!". Nightcat99 - Ask questions that you can easily google and find answers in 10 seconds. Shitload of useless one/two liners. 4 pages of bad content. Off-topic: I was surprised that you can post during the day in my first game, but you should check it... i mean his top 2 town read were umasi, who no one has accused and onegu, who replaced stim, who gave alot of tells, athough nothing is for sure, no one is accusing onegu mainly because os stims blowup. his mafia picks superfluous , the current most voted person , and me which isnt even an accusation. I would vote gotard at a heart beat atm, but i am still hoping super would come back and post somethings before i put my vote in, beside there is plenty of time left. This is interesting analysis. Thank you for posting it. (Trying to be encouraging to new players who are bringing unique analysis to the scumhunt) What did nightcat do wrong there that is just acknowledgement of trying and good yes but one must be willing to give to town for svengali play | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:43 GMT
#1879
On July 18 2013 05:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Not an obvious scum play, this is more of a scum play than I was claiming that was! you are taking big leaps on what I say but won't tolerate any potential leap I make.Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 05:37 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 05:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Constructive criticism? On July 17 2013 09:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 09:27 Nightcat99 wrote: I have been reading the filters again for gotard and super and here is what i think. On July 13 2013 19:53 Gotard wrote: Hello! After some lurking (jk I was sleeping) i'd like to share my thoughts: On July 13 2013 20:12 Gotard wrote: On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote: Gotard, who do you want to lynch? Easy question. Umasi and Xzavier!!! (jk) On July 14 2013 05:32 Gotard wrote: "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play. On July 16 2013 02:44 Gotard wrote: Getting mad after misreading. Emotional plays like that indicates bad town to me. Unless he wants to fake being mad after I defended Stim. And the most important note : he can't spell my name. On July 16 2013 03:40 Gotard wrote: On July 16 2013 03:33 Koshi wrote: Gotard, How can I become good town? You need to become town first. Play again!? On July 17 2013 07:33 Gotard wrote: Wanted to check stuff before going to sleep. (offtopic I might add you on osu! later if I will remember)[ He has been adding in j/k and other things in his post to make his posting seem much more relax then it is and thats a very scummy read to me. Plus it can be a precaution for future slip ups. Also he most recent post after long hour of lurking didnt help the situation but seems to make things worst On July 17 2013 07:27 Gotard wrote: My top reads: Town: -Umasi -Onegu Mafia: Superfluous - still didn't do anything pro town except for out of place cop advice. But everyone assumes town-town lynch day 1. Problem is that we couldn't move our votes freely because this tribunal thingy and there wasn't enough place for mafia to make big plays even when they would like to defend him. Another this is that Chromatically defended him so mafia didn't even have to do that. To be honest jrkirby's case on me could be good enough to put him as 2nd lynch but someone needed to put some effort into highlighting that. That is why even when that lynch looked like it was town-town it might not be the case. On July 16 2013 10:59 Superfluous wrote: For once I agree with Xzavier, Maf don't have to role block so they could just skip a night and say one of them got role blocked. That said I doubt they'd do it night one. This post looks like "hey everyone! Mafia don't have a role blocker!". Nightcat99 - Ask questions that you can easily google and find answers in 10 seconds. Shitload of useless one/two liners. 4 pages of bad content. Off-topic: I was surprised that you can post during the day in my first game, but you should check it... i mean his top 2 town read were umasi, who no one has accused and onegu, who replaced stim, who gave alot of tells, athough nothing is for sure, no one is accusing onegu mainly because os stims blowup. his mafia picks superfluous , the current most voted person , and me which isnt even an accusation. I would vote gotard at a heart beat atm, but i am still hoping super would come back and post somethings before i put my vote in, beside there is plenty of time left. This is interesting analysis. Thank you for posting it. (Trying to be encouraging to new players who are bringing unique analysis to the scumhunt) What did nightcat do wrong there that is just acknowledgement of trying and good yes but one must be willing to give to town for svengali play So... not being nice enough... but when I'm being nice it's an obvious scum play. Do you see the problem here? As for the comment about being wrong, don't lynch me then and stop tunneling. If you actually believe that I'd rather spare you the trouble. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 17 2013 20:47 GMT
#1880
Hurricane does not second guess a single lynch option of his. He did this a bit last game. That is probably not a good enough reason to tunnel him. So I cannot say whether or not I should continue. Funny, I also just realized when you said defend and counterattack? What was I doing then? If this is curl up and cry this is some nutsy crying And far more coherent than I usually am. But I sux when coherent | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:02 GMT
#1942
Hs town. I can't really see him bussing this way. He'd have pushed harder, and other differences I think. Onegu, you may find the contents interesting: + Show Spoiler + I just died in my offsite game. I was vigi'd at night, so... Take from that what you will XD I am confident my team will win though. Can't say more because Oats is also in that game, and FYI I rolled scum. So I need to be careful what I say... Anyway under 1/3 less stress, may be a little more normal here on out. I'm still me though | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:04 GMT
#1943
You are actually even more town for me because of this but frankly, that won't help you much | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:10 GMT
#1948
On July 18 2013 13:07 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 13:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 13:02 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah, well done to the dead. Hs town. I can't really see him bussing this way. He'd have pushed harder, and other differences I think. Onegu, you may find the contents interesting: + Show Spoiler + I just died in my offsite game. I was vigi'd at night, so... Take from that what you will XD I am confident my team will win though. Can't say more because Oats is also in that game, and FYI I rolled scum. So I need to be careful what I say... Anyway under 1/3 less stress, may be a little more normal here on out. I'm still me though Alakaslam, you got any thoughts on the wild Superfluous appearing from the tall grass? use mean look. dont let him go back to lurking. please. his timing cant be overlooked. he waited until it was impossible for him to be lynched to post/vote. ALAKASLAM used TELEPORT! + Show Spoiler + rofl I wouldn't do that to you guys | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:11 GMT
#1950
On July 18 2013 13:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: If he lurks Day 3, my Patent Pending Alakaslam Lose Shit Meter that I borrowed will be in the thousands. Damn that thing works by percentage- I only ever hit 120 on it today | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:14 GMT
#1954
Ohhhhhh........ Super just moved to scum, and thanks again because now I know I tunnel much twice on two best town. If not me, lets get super And if me, I say go for super next He is lurkin again isn't he then | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:19 GMT
#1957
On July 18 2013 13:16 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote: Wait a bit that was preflip? Ohhhhhh........ Super just moved to scum, and thanks again because now I know I tunnel much twice on two best town. If not me, lets get super And if me, I say go for super next He is lurkin again isn't he then Superfluous FoS'd Chrom directly, FoS'd me via sheep, and FoS'd Umasi indirectly in that post. Just gonna let that sit there for a bit... Dammit you're gonna make me have to google FoS | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:26 GMT
#1959
Sigh. I can really only call him null. I can see these conclusions coming from town. They already have. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:46 GMT
#1964
On July 18 2013 13:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Alakaslam, what's your read on Nightcat? Ain't got one, will go make one | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:49 GMT
#1965
On July 18 2013 13:40 Onegu wrote: IRL Totally down for a alakaslam lynch. other ingame stuff but... SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI I AM UNLEASHED | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:55 GMT
#1969
On July 18 2013 13:50 Xzavier wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 13:49 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 13:40 Onegu wrote: IRL Totally down for a alakaslam lynch. other ingame stuff but... SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI I AM UNLEASHED great case on nightcat I'm on page two and already a huge mood swing. I would call this null but for his atrocious spelling. Refuse autocorrect or something. I like to have fun, if I continue to be this poor in reads this may be my last few games of forum mafia. So... I'll go out with a bang or it won't last I'll get better thanks. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 04:57 GMT
#1970
On July 18 2013 13:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 13:40 Onegu wrote: Sorry posting from hospital, feeling bad but will be out later today. Im off nightcat now, he and gotard arent scum together look at there interactions with each other I doubt they would bus each other that hard. Totally down for a alakaslam lynch. Hurricane is only slightly scum to me and I will take my sights off him for a bit, still think he has alot of scummy posts though. Feel better Onegu I agree, he has what my mother has but significantly more severe. In all games he is allowed to lurk all he wants by me, and is a general winner in my book. But I will go back to nightcat... | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:02 GMT
#1971
On July 16 2013 12:06 Nightcat99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. thats totally not true here because 2 of them is dead and the scummiest people is got ot be on the kirby wagon since scum knows hes a townie. His claim to being roleblock is super strange too, i dont see that doing anything for the town but its a great way to get towncredit. Is it really? Clearly at least as new as me at thi point, which is mid filter for him | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:05 GMT
#1972
On July 17 2013 02:57 Nightcat99 wrote: i just wanted to point out that i have been reading the guides for mafia and it clearly stated Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence so hurricane not willing to explain his case because there is only one finger pointing at him is kind of odd so points finger. ...................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………......................................................………........................................ | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:07 GMT
#1974
Learning moment! Uh..... Wow. Where is hs case against me? Oh and so far nightcat very new and mundane, haven't finished though. Wow glad I'm not sleeping, the dudes at Union Pacific must love tooting at wickenburg hotels | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:10 GMT
#1975
On July 18 2013 14:05 hzflank wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 13:55 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 13:50 Xzavier wrote: On July 18 2013 13:49 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 13:40 Onegu wrote: IRL Totally down for a alakaslam lynch. other ingame stuff but... SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI I AM UNLEASHED great case on nightcat I'm on page two and already a huge mood swing. I would call this null but for his atrocious spelling. Refuse autocorrect or something. I like to have fun, if I continue to be this poor in reads this may be my last few games of forum mafia. So... I'll go out with a bang or it won't last I'll get better thanks. Your a noob, that's why you are in a newbie game. Do not expect your reads to be good. That's like killing 10 marines with a banshee on your third every game of SC2...you need practice. Post your case on Nightcat anyway, even if the conclusion is not scum. I'm about low silver Starcraft, and I play Protoss, so I don't get it, but I haven't fully got one yet. I want to read his whole filter. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:16 GMT
#1976
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:22 GMT
#1977
On July 18 2013 01:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For the record, it looks like Alakaslam put his vote on me. Interesting play, my friend. After you all said it was a scum trap. You expected it to catch scum. This won't mean much | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:30 GMT
#1978
On July 18 2013 03:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:09 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 02:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on my answers to Onegu's case. I like them, you did quite well. But that isn't why I voted you. Meta meta! Thou art a bombastically assured individual this game, not the hurricane I know*. Then again I have changed some as well. Of course, at this point I am solo voting you**, why do this in majority***? So see the thread. I had already liked a Gotard lynch before****. *: Using meta **: Misrepreseting facts (see: lying) ***: WIFOM ****: Unwillingness to vote Gotard despite scum read Not a good look, slambro. I was voting Gotard as you wrote that, oddly enough. Check time stamps, this is the one that started to make me think you were scum and bicker. I still will use meta where I can. I also admit that I had changed, noting I was soon to change my vote. Posted this pretty much right before doing so. I genuinely thought it was solo. How is it WIFOM to say I'm not going to solo vote in majority? "Reading comprehension bro", but I don't mean that. I admired your abstinence from rude play last game, and am rarely rude on purpose anyway. My life has been getting shot back at for what I perceived as compliments- see Asperger's Syndrome, the Tvtropes article on it is stellar. Movin on. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:31 GMT
#1979
On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long. Yeah, after telling scum it was a trap. I immediately knew to expect town votes only in there. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:33 GMT
#1980
On July 18 2013 03:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:23 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long. Meta again, you & Onegu switch places now I don't give a crap about don't use meta it is all I'm remotely good at You think you're good at using meta? By your logic, if I do ANYTHING differently this game from last game, I am scum. Is this correct? This is one of the leaps I was talking about. I hadn't let this on yet, this is a fallacious argument. It is a straw man. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:36 GMT
#1981
On July 18 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Ebwop 2 of my posts up In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo His vote on me was a play. He practically had to spell it out for me (by requesting I go back and read a specific page-set with a clear head). He was fake-supporting Onegu's pressure so scum wouldn't feel exposed when they tried to hop on. hz even says that Onegu's case is weak in another post. Was trying to get you to see what I thought obvious but will now state: "if anyone could see that, why do you think the 'trap' will actually catch scum?" | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:38 GMT
#1982
On July 18 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote: And there goes the ninja voteswap. Alakaslam is panicking now. I voted a good while before you noticed! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:42 GMT
#1985
On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Don't ask me to? This was all I was going to allow myself, I thought if I defended I would only give a very capable scum player more ammo to lynch me with. I was refusing to do anything but paint you red so after my flip itd be more likely to mirror XLIII Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. Well I didn't, so lynch me. Don't expect town victory by that avenue. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:47 GMT
#1988
On July 18 2013 14:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 14:36 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Ebwop 2 of my posts up In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo His vote on me was a play. He practically had to spell it out for me (by requesting I go back and read a specific page-set with a clear head). He was fake-supporting Onegu's pressure so scum wouldn't feel exposed when they tried to hop on. hz even says that Onegu's case is weak in another post. Was trying to get you to see what I thought obvious but will now state: "if anyone could see that, why do you think the 'trap' will actually catch scum?" Because they couldn't resist. If I was the only one under pressure (and willfully not defending myself) it begs people to pile on. Then we could see who did it without proper analysis. And then we'd have our scum! Have you ever played scum? Even I was smart enough not to do something like that. If you were party we would have lol'ed and nk's you. I didn't want to say that until i was out of that game though, oats is still playin it. We were not really all that into mislynch ing powerful players (not that we knew they were powerful yet) but seriously, how stupid you take me for? No, I voted fairly fearlessly as town convinced by Onegu and thinking the gambit ploy was a possible implication of hz, I thought it was buying time or defense and for some reason didnt realize it could be a gambit to implicate anyone who voted you but that just turns into WIFOM. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:48 GMT
#1989
On July 18 2013 14:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Don't ask me to? This was all I was going to allow myself, I thought if I defended I would only give a very capable scum player more ammo to lynch me with. I was refusing to do anything but paint you red so after my flip itd be more likely to mirror XLIII Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. Well I didn't, so lynch me. Don't expect town victory by that avenue. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt What's that mean? "I'm going to call you scum, but don't defend it because I said it might be wrong, I dunno" What reaction were you trying to get by posting that? Nothing. I was simply complying. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:49 GMT
#1990
On July 18 2013 14:48 Alakaslam wrote: wait I see what you meant- I fucked up my replies are in the green sorryShow nested quote + On July 18 2013 14:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Don't ask me to? This was all I was going to allow myself, I thought if I defended I would only give a very capable scum player more ammo to lynch me with. I was refusing to do anything but paint you red so after my flip itd be more likely to mirror XLIII Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. Well I didn't, so lynch me. Don't expect town victory by that avenue. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt What's that mean? "I'm going to call you scum, but don't defend it because I said it might be wrong, I dunno" What reaction were you trying to get by posting that? Nothing. I was simply complying. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:51 GMT
#1992
On July 18 2013 04:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote: So, I think this might be relevant. Alakaslam says Super is a town read to him: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you Townish! Well, that's certainly surprising. Ah well, but Alakaslam is full of surprises. It probably is just an isolated incident. A bad read based off some misunderstanding... Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote: On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote: I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be 1) Stay Alive 2) Find a person to vote for 3) Find justifications for voting This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum. .... Oh my... First thing I did was disagree with super on that. You must be misrepresenting something here. I read his filter and it struck me town, genuinely. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:52 GMT
#1993
On July 18 2013 14:49 Hurricane Sponge wrote: You know that none of this is my actual case on you, right? Have you found my formal post accusing you of being scum? Not yet but it built it. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:55 GMT
#1994
On July 18 2013 05:04 Hurricane Sponge wrote: May as well make the cases for all of them while I'm here (I'll be out for the deadline starting at 5:30pm Eastern USA time, which shouldn't be a problem since the hz plan calls for us to lock our votes in an hour ahead of time): Alakaslam: Jumped into the trap laid by myself, hz, and (unwittingly) Onegu - Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Ebwop 2 of my posts up In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo Backs off his pressure of me IMMEDIATELY upon figuring out that he has fallen into said trap: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:36 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote: And there goes the ninja voteswap. Alakaslam is panicking now. That happened as soon as I finished the point where I said stop talking about the tribunal because SVENGALI if I was panicked I'd not say that ONEGU COME TUNNEL :D Echoes unfounded support of Super by his predecessor cloud-9 - Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:16 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote: On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote: I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be 1) Stay Alive 2) Find a person to vote for 3) Find justifications for voting This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum. Had a scum read on Chrom he never pressured: *QUOTE UNAVAILABLE. NO EVIDENCE OF PRESSURE EVER DETECTED* Unwilling to carry on a conversation. Due to inability to explain his actions? Devolves to 'No U' when not appropriate: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 03:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 03:09 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 02:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on my answers to Onegu's case. I like them, you did quite well. But that isn't why I voted you. Meta meta! Thou art a bombastically assured individual this game, not the hurricane I know*. Then again I have changed some as well. Of course, at this point I am solo voting you**, why do this in majority***? So see the thread. I had already liked a Gotard lynch before****. *: Using meta **: Misrepreseting facts (see: lying) ***: WIFOM ****: Unwillingness to vote Gotard despite scum read Not a good look, slambro. You are doing much of what you accuse me of in here by doing this Not good look Rofl Declares that I was 'wrong' about what was going on in the scum QT. Not 'he couldn't have known' (as Onegu said). But that I was actually definitively 'wrong' about what was going on there: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 00:56 Alakaslam wrote: Oh yeah him being wrong about qt- does this not point to him being null, he could make same mistake town or scum This reaction to the Roleblock: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: On July 16 2013 10:30 Chromatically wrote: I was roleblocked. Shit (This point continued at the bottom of the page. It's important to set this point up organically, as you will see) Fearful of the Tribunal (a natural scum reaction if they were three townies): Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 00:50 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 23:52 hzflank wrote: Just caught up. Initial thoughts: Chrom and Super are not both scum. That's the only really solid association that I see. Chrom started to heavily defend Super 8 hours before the lynch, and that would never of happened if they were both scum. So to the people who are already making that association I suggest that you think along other lines. I do not like that whole council thing. It made it too easy to sheep. It was too early in the game for players to have such solid town reads on each other. I almost feel like people tried to put a reverse-sheep on me where I was told I that I should not move my vote (I will vote as I think best, I do not need other people to give me reasons to vote). First order of business is to be a play by play on the council thing. That whole council shpeil is based on too much NMM XLIII meta anyway. How the hell was that formed day 1... It like begging for Svengali play. Please google Svengali, outside of the context of mafia, if you don't get it. It's a French novel that I haven't read but that I know the gist of. Umasi where is the Chezzy post? Need it buried in a GOOD case (Quick point on the above, neither Umasi and Rainbows were in NMM XLIII. Not sure what he's talking about here) Jarring disparate read on two of the townies townies since Lady Galadritown went town shopping in Townton Abbey: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 11:51 Alakaslam wrote: Dude Lose shit meter 100%, in the total opposite fashion to other games. I have LOST IT! I neeeeeeeed to read. If I don't I would tunnel Chrom and Umasi into the dirt even if one flipped town. Gimme a sec! Continuing with the reaction to the roleblock: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 10:36 Alakaslam wrote: Appears they ed: (the mafia) may (have a roleblocker). However you may have been jailed too. Hmm. I actually don't think jailer should claim if he did, actually I don't know if it was wise to claim this Chrom. I don't know though, how does it help town? Now I want to reference the Night 1 flips. I assumed the SK killed Koshi (scum read) and mafia killed Rainbows (town read to me). I posted with this assumption, and hz jumped down my throat for it. Now remember, Chrom was one of Alakaslam's hardest Scum reads. Why would Alakaslam assume the mafia roleblocked him if he were scum? Wouldn't he assume the Town roleblocked him? ----------------------------------------- The above is my case for Alakaslam being scum. Reading this is impossible in quotes on my phone. I will have to post it here, read it, and reply below. 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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:58 GMT
#1995
Aside: nice thing about this exchange is I am beginning to understand town motives for what you put. But please. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 05:59 GMT
#1996
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:00 GMT
#1997
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:01 GMT
#1998
On July 18 2013 15:00 Alakaslam wrote: Fearful or scornful of council In fact that has me leaning scum on you again | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:03 GMT
#1999
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:05 GMT
#2000
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:06 GMT
#2001
I thought he was blue, meaning I had been tunneling blue. Last post before a reply. Sorry about the spam BH & Angie..... | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:09 GMT
#2003
On July 18 2013 15:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote: And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read. You're missing a lot of the points entirely. Wouldn't you be happy Chrom was roleblocked if you had a scum read on him? Not really. It enforced town reads on him, and you can't roleblock scum KP. That is why scum isn't roleblocked as much I think, but I should read the page where that happened. Of course, some things are unnatural, such as a massive building. Does that make it an accident? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:11 GMT
#2004
On July 18 2013 15:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote: And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read. You're missing a lot of the points entirely. Wouldn't you be happy Chrom was roleblocked if you had a scum read on him? And, actually, I'm glad I'm missing the points. Enlighten me or pound me? I have given reason to think this could all be a mistake, I have been honest and can be more thorough. Even on the spot even though it was 10 hours ago. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:18 GMT
#2006
On July 18 2013 15:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 15:09 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 15:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote: And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read. You're missing a lot of the points entirely. Wouldn't you be happy Chrom was roleblocked if you had a scum read on him? Not really. It enforced town reads on him, and you can't roleblock scum KP. That is why scum isn't roleblocked as much I think, but I should read the page where that happened. Of course, some things are unnatural, such as a massive building. Does that make it an accident? Why does one of your scum reads getting roleblocked make you think he's town? Does scum block scum? No. And you can't roleblock scum, although I admit this is recent knowledge comparatively. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:19 GMT
#2007
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:20 GMT
#2008
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:23 GMT
#2009
On July 18 2013 03:31 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Ebwop 2 of my posts up In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo His vote on me was a play. He practically had to spell it out for me (by requesting I go back and read a specific page-set with a clear head). He was fake-supporting Onegu's pressure so scum wouldn't feel exposed when they tried to hop on. hz even says that Onegu's case is weak in another post. I am the only scum in the game! I AM THE TRIUNE POKéMON! (Cross between Alakazam, Kingler, and Machamp) This will confirm one of my defenses (trying to get the point that scum wouldn't fall for that across, why not "all of us") | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:33 GMT
#2010
Here are my reads: Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day. Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later. Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him. Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange. Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on. Umasi: town. Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is. Wish I wasn't such a fool. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:55 GMT
#2013
On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote: @hurricane Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I remember this now I thought this would help nullify junk | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:57 GMT
#2014
On July 18 2013 15:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote: Hence you don't block your scumreads if you are jailer, unless there are two which we don't know yet. So your opinion on Chrom was changed toward Town because you thought it's possible that the town jailor jailed him? Think. Does scum RB scum? No. Therefore. Massive building. Why massive building. Are you scum. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:58 GMT
#2015
On July 18 2013 15:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 15:06 Alakaslam wrote: What did I think? I thought he was blue, meaning I had been tunneling blue. Last post before a reply. Sorry about the spam BH & Angie..... Wait, you thought he was blue based on a roleblock claim? Explain why you think this as well Initially didn't understand roleblocks, thought vt would never claim. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 06:59 GMT
#2016
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:11 GMT
#2018
On July 18 2013 16:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 15:57 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 15:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote: Hence you don't block your scumreads if you are jailer, unless there are two which we don't know yet. So your opinion on Chrom was changed toward Town because you thought it's possible that the town jailor jailed him? Think. Does scum RB scum? No. Therefore. Massive building. Why massive building. Are you scum. You know that a jailor doesn't have special information that guarantees the person he jails is Town, right? Just because he thinks Chrom is town, your read shouldn't have been effected. Walk me through this. But what if he was RB by scum. This isn't my favorite topic at night. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:14 GMT
#2019
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:23 GMT
#2022
On July 18 2013 16:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 16:11 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 16:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 15:57 Alakaslam wrote: On July 18 2013 15:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote: Hence you don't block your scumreads if you are jailer, unless there are two which we don't know yet. So your opinion on Chrom was changed toward Town because you thought it's possible that the town jailor jailed him? Think. Does scum RB scum? No. Therefore. Massive building. Why massive building. Are you scum. You know that a jailor doesn't have special information that guarantees the person he jails is Town, right? Just because he thinks Chrom is town, your read shouldn't have been effected. Walk me through this. But what if he was RB by scum. This isn't my favorite topic at night. So you're saying you automatically assumed that he was RB by scum. You didn't consider that he could have been jailed? I did consider this. If he was jailed, he is still someone's townread. Or not. It is still a hint at town and I did not have time to follow this whole train of thought before I posted. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:24 GMT
#2023
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:27 GMT
#2025
On July 18 2013 16:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote: So your opinion on him shifted to town because someone else (the theoretical jailor) thought he was town. Alright, thank you. Let me clarify: no. It hinted, did not sway me yet. That was later things. Massive | | | Building | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:28 GMT
#2026
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 07:31 GMT
#2027
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 15:37 GMT
#2031
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 15:39 GMT
#2032
On July 18 2013 17:08 Hurricane Sponge wrote: (My FoS is off 'slam until I get additional information) Night | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 18 2013 16:10 GMT
#2033
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:03 GMT
#2087
So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:13 GMT
#2089
On July 19 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2013 03:27 Superfluous wrote: On July 19 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote: On July 18 2013 15:33 Alakaslam wrote: By the way, I did something stupid. Here are my reads: Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day. Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later. Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him. Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange. Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on. Umasi: town. Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is. Wish I wasn't such a fool. There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players? If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads. I felt the exact same way, was gonna post same thing. Would you consider those not on this list scum reads through process of elimination? I am not sure if this was directed at Alaka or me, but I will answer anyway. I think it is likely that his scum reads are based on elimination, except possibly for his read on you (Super). With 9 players still in the game I do not like using process of elimination. Additionally, I am surprised that people are getting so many strong town reads. Even my strongest town reads could very well be scum at this point. On day 3, I might be able to actually confirm a town read or two, but I cannot at the moment so I am surprised that other people can. Perhaps what bothers me the most is that he lightly FoS' me during the night phase. Alakaslam has seen me play before and should know that that is completely pointless at this stage. If he actually thinks that I am scum then he should of hit me with a solid case. I like to defend solid cases against myself, as it gives me a chance to examine the person who is attacking me. I do not like it when someone calls me scummy without providing good reasons, because it makes it difficult for me to get a read on my attacker. @Alakaslam Why do you think I am scum? Why do you think Xzavier is scum? Wahahahaha! I townread both of you but now Vigi is bamcis! XZAVIER DO I WORRY YOU + Show Spoiler + possibly pure WIFOM... | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:14 GMT
#2090
On July 19 2013 10:05 Nightcat99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote: At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:16 GMT
#2091
On July 19 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote: @Xzavier What is your read on me and why? Pfft ruins my joke | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:21 GMT
#2093
On July 19 2013 08:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote: So, we're about half an hour from the Night 2 end. My reads based on the Gotard flip: Xzavier's filter looks worst with the Gotard flip. He supports a Super lynch over a Gotard flip because: "atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare." Not the most compelling argument ever, but I guess it's plausible as town. However, everyone else went hard after Gotard at some point, and after reading all the filters, Xzav's stuck out to me. Reading through it, both of his arguments were 'Yeah, gotard looks scummy, but here's a reason why he shouldn't be lynched: _________ ' Superfluous also seems scummy to me, which seems like a strange bedfellow for Xzavier. It's easy to pick on his post activity, but he also brings very little unique analysis to the table in his posts. There's still significant unnaccounted-for content in his filter (for example: I want him to respond to my question about what he was referencing during the Roleblock-ing conversation). Continuing the theme, my third scummiest read is Umasi (somewhat by PoE, but his Day 2 / Night 2 doesn't help). He also catches some heat from Superfluous, but his filter when you control-f 'Gotard' doesn't look great. A lot of soft defense followed by softer FoS. He also flatly resisted moving onto Gotard Day 1 (like Xzavier did) when I floated the idea of ambushing Gotard or Koshi when we had the votes to make it happen. Now, some of these reads seem incompatible with each other. It seems to pivot on Superfluous; both Xzavier and Umasi have targeted him with strong cases. But these three are what's left when I knock out the three guys I feel are 99.9% - 100.0% town, one who is probably Town (outside chance he's SK) but certainly not Mafia, and the other two who are fairly solidly Town by virtue of good activity levels and scumhunt-rich filters. I don't see the value in specifically revealing my town reads right now, but if you've been following the game, the map I outlined may make sense to you. YMMV. Let me know if you absolutely have to know if someone is in some tier or something. I don't see the harm or benefits in revealing this information unsolicited, however. One exception, because I feel it may surprise people who read my case on allah-kah-Slam: I do not suspect Alakaslam is scum. And neither should any of you, if'n -yous- were paying attention tonight. U Rong chroma Xzavier is skum. Yesssss, because I make Hz lose his sheitz totes by accident regarding hissel and Xzavier. Then look what HS sez^^^^^^ Yeeeeeesssssssaasssss..... | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:22 GMT
#2094
On July 19 2013 10:16 Nightcat99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2013 10:14 Alakaslam wrote: On July 19 2013 10:05 Nightcat99 wrote: On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote: At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing actually if hes the sk and he got roleblocked, it would be pretty stupid to claim..... cause now the vig know who the sk is... O yea Well maybe Vig knows now | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:25 GMT
#2096
On July 19 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote: However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it. I'm at either Onegu or Xzavier now, but this is a point in favor of Xzav as it stands. This originally looked bad because he's basically soft defending Gotard, but hz voted for Gotard much earlier. If the scumteam was going to bus by that point, there would be no reason for Xzav to make himself look bad by soft defending Gotard and holding off voting for as long as possible, if he knows that Gotard will flip scum anyway. I'm planning on taking a break for the night to clear my head. In the morning I'll read filters yet again, and read my Onegu case and post it if I still find it convincing. Ah. Ty Chrom. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:32 GMT
#2097
Well what, who is scum? I will go look once again, take me with a grain of salt because I sux | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 01:38 GMT
#2098
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 03:30 GMT
#2104
On July 19 2013 11:30 Nightcat99 wrote: I have been diving through the filters, since i very much doubt Hzflank was expecting to die today, I am putting Umasi on my #1 townie list because Hzflank's last post was trying to get you killed. Second townie is Alakaslam, i very much want to lynch you so i dont have to read your filter, but i think sponge checked you, so i guess we will have to keep you around. >: ) Wahaha But no, hs didn't check me, he & I spent hours last night plowing through his case on me, why I thought he was SVENGALI and why he thought I was SCUMSLIP-ing to make the false true. Was actually an unfortunate case of we were both active and forums have this "delay" to them. Oddly enough I have you to thank partially for that beneficial exchange. That website, about autocorrect? Shout out to my phone, bless you autocorrect for putting up with my shenanigans on here and even autocorrect ing attempted normal play to my "personable" self XD Anyway Xzavier you almost ha me making a huge LOL WTF TOTES SCUM post with the Gotard-Umasi swap, glad I checked that before losing it. Well now, Superflous. You lurk much! You die next if'nn you doesn't return CHOP CHOP THIS DAY-PHASE! ... Assuming town is cool with that? Who is cool with that? Any takers? Irregardless! DEFENSE THYSELF SUPERFLOUS! | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 03:35 GMT
#2105
On July 19 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote: nah man I'm pretty sure Gotard isn't scum. SLAMMIN UMASI PARTY UNITE NO I SWEAR THIS ISN'T THE TRIBUNAL ALL OVER AGAIN SHOUTOUT TO HURRICANE BLESS YOU LADDIE Because he is more bamcis than I at saying it | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 06:37 GMT
#2107
If anyone is planning on staying in Arizona- I mean anywhere in the state- bring a damn 3000 watt bug zapper. I have like 10 bites and cannot sleep, night has hardly begun. Swatting like mad | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 06:40 GMT
#2108
I hope door is actually insect tight. They might be crawling in Damned monsoons | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 19 2013 19:44 GMT
#2111
On July 20 2013 04:00 Chromatically wrote: Onegu and Xzav, who do you want to lynch today and why? Both seconding and asking, are you thinking super is a good lynch barring his edifying return? Why or why not | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 20 2013 04:00 GMT
#2123
On July 20 2013 12:48 Umasi wrote: Am I missing something incredibly important/obvious? Who's aqua? Important. Psychedelic slip. Game basically over On July 06 2013 10:46 Aquanim wrote: /obs Show nested quote + On July 06 2013 06:34 Spicydinosaur wrote: /obs no more newbie games for me (finally reached 4). this Show nested quote + On July 06 2013 10:16 Rainbows wrote: /in I promise not to troll and ragequit so town almost loses. But I will still find all the scum. It's not so hard to find all the scum when all you have to do is look in your QT ^^ (not that I would know) | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 20 2013 04:01 GMT
#2124
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 20 2013 04:02 GMT
#2125
On July 20 2013 12:49 Nightcat99 wrote: I just notice something, Hz and xzavier had no interaction what so ever from day 1. they never quoted each other, never call each other town or scum. its almost like they didn't need to check each others filter at all. What does everyone else think about this? Nice insight, good job- you are now significantly better at scum hunting than me. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 20 2013 05:04 GMT
#2128
On July 20 2013 12:36 Xzavier wrote: Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking. if he does enough to atone for his sins my position can be changed. As far as hzflank: the biggest thing i picked up was the umasi thing. Ill check back and look more in depth at his posts about super. Helllllllooooooooooo town! Earth to town! Aqua is in obs... Only scum game I ever played obs could comment in scum chat so | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 20 2013 16:37 GMT
#2138
On July 20 2013 15:36 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, why do YOU vote xzavier? All the mounting pressure plus wanting to lynch a /obs Now I see the latter was a mistake Still Chrom and nightcat have unaddressed reasons. Still don't like super | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 05:28 GMT
#2182
On July 18 2013 05:09 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote: On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt Do I look intuitive to you? This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself. However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway). + Show Spoiler + Oh this is so much easier not needing to type bbcode And find Images! :D Wooohoooo My theme song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWvKDSwvls 'Sup Super we gonna have to have a talk tonight. A long talk. Can you come to the tank plz? Thank you. Hell, I'm almost as good as counselor troi aren't I? Anyway if I am nk'ed suspect Chrom this was his idea Cya | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 05:48 GMT
#2186
On July 21 2013 14:35 Chromatically wrote: Who did you jail N1 and 2? N1, you son N2, I forget lemme look | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 05:49 GMT
#2187
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 05:49 GMT
#2188
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 05:56 GMT
#2190
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 06:05 GMT
#2192
On July 21 2013 15:01 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, is there room for chrom in our Slammin Umasi party? I like chrom :> Only this game I'm too psycho for him | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 06:49 GMT
#2193
Krap Umasi the party is just a party, ya? No need vote togetha? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 07:07 GMT
#2194
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 07:08 GMT
#2195
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Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 07:15 GMT
#2197
On July 21 2013 16:12 Umasi wrote: tribunal all da waaaaaay everyone on it turned out to be townie, funnily enough And everyone who opposed it is either dead or being a hypocrite starting the new one <looks around> Uh, hurricane I think Uh How was the psychiatrist being mentored by an AI all night Dat flavor bro | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 07:17 GMT
#2198
On July 21 2013 09:01 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 02:35 Xzavier wrote: Chromatically: Tunnels the fuck out of him quite uncharacteristically lynch all liars Just realized something DO NOT CONTINUE | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 07:29 GMT
#2199
I'm almost done Just for the record as I think games almost over Page 52 FTW Even better if you take the en of 51 with it "Just stop. Stop doing anything." Hell yeah, it's about time | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 17:30 GMT
#2202
On July 22 2013 01:48 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On July 21 2013 14:30 Chromatically wrote: Just noticed that SK is compulsory, so they can't even hold their shot. SK is confirmed 100% in either case then. Yeah this isn't true because SK can shoot the jailed person, but we still have the extra lynch. Hopefully SK concedes so that we don't have to sit around for 5 days autolynching people. Wouldn't that be a great way to hijack oneself. SK does still have a chance to win. I won't say how of course. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 17:38 GMT
#2204
On July 22 2013 02:30 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2013 01:48 Chromatically wrote: On July 21 2013 14:30 Chromatically wrote: Just noticed that SK is compulsory, so they can't even hold their shot. SK is confirmed 100% in either case then. Yeah this isn't true because SK can shoot the jailed person, but we still have the extra lynch. Hopefully SK concedes so that we don't have to sit around for 5 days autolynching people. Wouldn't that be a great way to hijack oneself. SK does still have a chance to win. I won't say how of course. Scratch that u done son U shood klaim 2morro but we look cool if you don't so don't | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 21:46 GMT
#2246
On July 22 2013 06:28 hzflank wrote: You were far from Town, Chrom. As long as Super was alive there was that potential association hanging over you. Also, once Umasi claimed RBed then it made your claim a little strange, as you were not the most obvious jail target N1. I knew it, I KNEW HE WAS- scummy. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 21:47 GMT
#2247
On July 22 2013 06:37 Chromatically wrote: Sponge, were you ever actually suspicious of Alaka or was all of that a play? :O | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 22:30 GMT
#2256
On July 22 2013 07:23 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I dunno, maybe I'm just in synch with 'slam (I do have the benefit of having played in his last newbie game, and followed his Nuke Mafia game for the first 50 pages). The 'Mets' picture was the first really obvious one, but the Eagles song (and his pounding home of the 'massive building' point had me worried that scum would shoot him that night. The danger of breadcrumbing is if scum pick it up, you're an easy target for the NK. Yessum, is why I didn't want to say too much but it looked like you were dismissing it as aLaKaSLaM bein psychotic That song isn't by the eagles, it is Joe Walsh "I live in hotels, tear out the walls..." "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do" "Psycho ants damn monsoons" (which I now call blessed since they've come out west to the San jacinto fire) That was 100% flavor. Ignacio is an awesome name, nick is Nacho. Similar to Luciano, nick being Chano. Viva la SoCal! Oh yeah and daffy XD that was a clue of a different sort | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 21 2013 23:48 GMT
#2274
On July 22 2013 08:21 hzflank wrote: That looks a lot like a soft-claim to me :/ No Miller, just a Framer. I disagree with you going by your gut. Your D1 read on me was luck imo, as there was no way to have a solid scum read on me that early. CHEEZY CHIPS ARE FREEDOM TO BE FAT | ||
Alakaslam
United States16933 Posts
July 23 2013 03:20 GMT
#2281
On July 23 2013 12:11 StiMaDDict wrote: GG yall. Just got back from the land of no internet. Still have to read the thread and see what happened. Won 3 games as town so far (mostly luck, I swear). PS - @Onegu: did you have a hard time because of me? Not far as I could tell | ||
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