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On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.
That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote.
Response to this?
Specifically the first sentence.
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haha~I'm holding off on switching till Kirby comes back to talk since all of this has surfaced and he hasn't been around.
I see both of them as likely to flip scum.
I can't explain why, specifically, Super is more scummy to me. Things have felt off about him from the very first post, and although he has had moments of brief like "hm maybe he's not THAT bad",,,so does kirby, as has been pointed out.
Scum are GOING to have times where they can post things that are not scummy, that's a goal of theirs.
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It'd be a weird (read:stupid) thing to say as scum (because of how odd/suspicious it is). It's possible that he posted it as scum to look more genuine, though. Nothing big enough to affect anything, slightly town from that line at best.
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What townie things has Kirby done (sorry if they've already been mentioned)?
What do you think about the two posts I pointed out? Do you think they're likely to come from scum?
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he's just giving bland, generic commentary in the second one, look at it.
He just says like "huh maybe watch out for kirby kinda, let's talk to him, but give him a super open ended question"
"kirby what is the goal with your posts so far"
jeeeeeeeeez
give scum an easier out, please.
super
SUPER wishy washy if you as me. He just says null shit.
not null as in "null read" but null as in worthless.
The first impression strikes me as slightly townie, but seriously, that's like one + among a field of -
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I'll go look through Kirby, I remember there was something
and if I was mistaken, well darn
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Actually fuck it, it's not my job to find townie shit about kirby to talk about
someone else do it.
kirby or someone who has a townread on him, because I certainly don't
t.t
basically people getting +1s in a field of -1s isn't uncommon, because townies have -1s in fields of +1s
(-1s and +1s are flowers btw)
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On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: Show nested quote +
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum.
I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum.
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uuuuuh
cloud
give independent reads.
nothing much more to say, I guess. this entrance is unimpressive and scummy (to me, and apparently I find everyone's entrance to be scummy)
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On July 14 2013 14:04 Umasi wrote:
uuuuuh
cloud
give independent reads.
nothing much more to say, I guess. this entrance is unimpressive and scummy (to me, and apparently I find everyone's entrance to be scummy)
Hello Umasi, ;-).
In response to your comment.. I plan to give independent reads, I was just detailing my overall intuition after briefly reading all the forum posts. Admittedly getting to this forum as late as I have means I have some catching up to do. Once I consolidate all my reads together I plan to make a large response that contains all of my independent reads. Until than I just wanted to give a general idea of where I stand in terms of alignment.
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okay, if that's your motivation, woooo!
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Disappointed that Xzavier hasn't posted yet.
Waiting on Cloud 9's reads.
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@Cloud 9: This is totally unrelated but is your name a reference to Cloud 9 by Hwayobi? I was music searching on YouTube and that came up, so I was like, "That sounds awfully familiar for some reason.."
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On July 14 2013 08:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Do you think Superfluous is Town?
I would say him being scum is more likely even now than it was before because he can't really defend himself. Yes, he had some pro town post giving his reads in semi-aggressive way but then he writes something like that:
On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us.
My problem is that after seeing stuff like that i usually tend to think: "Isn't it to easy to be true" and I would put mistakes like that into inexperience basket but he admitted himself that he played mafia on some other forums...
His way of getting out of trouble doesn't seem pro town whatsoever so i have to say hi's scum if he won't change anything in his posting.
Overall I still think jrkirby is a little bit more scummy.
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On July 14 2013 15:23 StiMaDDict wrote:
Disappointed that Xzavier hasn't posted yet.
Waiting on Cloud 9's reads.
Sorry. I had to go to sleep when i got home. I had to wake up early for work. i get off ay 2:15 and will deside between taking a power nap or being super active on this. that sill probably depend on how work goes.
I will get some good posts in and b active before the deadline because for once, thank god, i hav 4 hours of not being at work before it 
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jrkirby needs to come back and start proving he is town. His last 5 posts were horribly rude, but I still wonder if scum would do that. It's so bold, or maybe he is just a rude person..
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On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town.
That list does not apply to either alignment. The first objective for town is to hunt scum, because that is the only way that town wins and we should all be playing to win. As town, if you are scum-hunting then there is a reasonable chance that no one will make a case against you, and even if they do it is not a terrible thing. When a town player has to defend themselves they should do so as strongly as they can and then continue with their scum hunting.
A town player should not put survival first, but a scum player should. If you want to argue that it was bad town play that is one thing, but you (Chrom) should not be telling newbie players to put their survival before their scum-hunting, because that reduces the quality of town's play and reduces the chance of us winning the game.
On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:In particular, I really like these two posts: Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone. In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:37 Superfluous wrote:
Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far? Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie.
Actually, Super was under a little pressure when he posted those as I had already posted this:
On July 14 2013 00:38 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 23:56 Superfluous wrote:
I'd still like to here some more from Hzflank
Anything specific? Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote:
Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. I disagree. When I made that post Umasi had not really done anything that I thought was pro town. He may have since been pro town, but I am not finished with my catch up and analysis so I will comment on that later. Additionally, I think my original point on Umasi was a good one at the time it was posted. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote:
He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of.
I disagree again. My first three posts might be viewed that way, but in fact we were trying to stimulate discussion at the time and I believe that it was beneficial to make those posts in the hope of starting more discussion. From what I can tell, your thought process was: Super thinks that Umasi is town and hzflank thinks Umasi was scummy, therefore Super thinks that hzflank is scummy. Now Super needs to add reasons for why he thinks hzflank is scummy because Super's read should not be based on that weak day 1 association. You may notice that since the conversation really started to flow in the way that we want it to, I have not made many posts but every single post I have made is dedicated to finding scum. Yet, of all the people you could find scummy for posting distractions you chose me. Please tell me where I am wrong? To be specific, I do not believe your reasons for having me as your biggest scum read and I want to understand how I actually came to be your biggest scum read.
That is me putting pressure on Super before he ever did any scum hunting. Super also completely ignored it, which means that either: he is not properly reading the thread, he was scared to reply to me because he knew that I was on to him, or he thought that it was not worth defending because the quality of his town play meant that he would not be a lynch candidate anyway.
As town he should be properly reading the thread and as town he should not be scared to reply to me. I am surprised if he thought he could not be a lynch target today.
I still think that Super is really scummy.
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Also Chrom, What is this?:
On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:
Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town.
No it is not! Finding a reason to vote for someone is town. Finding a person to vote for with reasons is very much not town.
What concerns me right now is that you know that. I cannot believe that you believe that.
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Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in.
I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case.
Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead.
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When you follow lead you should also give own reasoning obviously. But at this point we just need to pick one of these 2 targets.
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