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Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 13 2013 22:45 GMT
#561
Gotard still scummy guise
..

whenever i get home ill revote cus u guys dont wanna kill him.

im feeling jrkirby is the better lynch, I'll case it later.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 13 2013 22:48 GMT
#562
On July 14 2013 07:39 Umasi wrote:
Are you still going to stick with Gotard when there are more compelling cases out there to be on? (At least, ones that I think are more compelling)


Let's not let Gotard off of the hook that easily. He still has not given us a firm scum read with reasoning behind it.
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 22:51 GMT
#563
that's not me letting him off the hook, that's me saying "superfluous or jrkirby"
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2013 23:02 GMT
#564
On July 14 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
@hzflank
That is a really impressing post. I would give you a cookie but I will give you this instead.
##Vote: Superfluous

I also like the kirby case but kirby hasn't posted in the last 20 hours. So I am reluctant to put my vote on him. Kirby has proven that he can make big analytical posts or at least is willing to do so. He has proven that he can pick up on 1 scummier sentence in a big convincing pro town post. So I would like to give kirby the chance to do this before I put my vote on him.


What?! Find one. Now. Please.

The joking one. I didn't say it was good. I am just saying that he is willing to do so.
I had a good night of sleep.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 13 2013 23:03 GMT
#565
None of these three are mutually exclusive to me right now. All look scummy for a wide variety of reasons, and I wouldn't expect the flip of one to drastically affect my opinion of the other two. I could conceive of a scum team that included all three of these guys simultaneously.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 13 2013 23:05 GMT
#566
On July 14 2013 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 14 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
@hzflank
That is a really impressing post. I would give you a cookie but I will give you this instead.
##Vote: Superfluous

I also like the kirby case but kirby hasn't posted in the last 20 hours. So I am reluctant to put my vote on him. Kirby has proven that he can make big analytical posts or at least is willing to do so. He has proven that he can pick up on 1 scummier sentence in a big convincing pro town post. So I would like to give kirby the chance to do this before I put my vote on him.


What?! Find one. Now. Please.

The joking one. I didn't say it was good. I am just saying that he is willing to do so.


Wow. Even if you interpret a joke post as evidence that someone is capable of making a serious case (/eyeroll), then that's actually evidence that he's NOT willing to do so, because he hasn't made a case yet in the actual game.

I question your judgement, Koshi. Is that the leading reason you're leaning Town on kirby? Or is it because he's lurking, and you apparently find that to be a pro-town move?
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 23:06 GMT
#567
pffff
Koshi, I have no idea what to think of you
but you make me laugh sometimes

yeah, it's not necessarily an "or" as in which one is scum, the other is town
more like, who are we lynching? btw, I plan to be on Superfluous unless the day would end in a no lynch, in which case I'd switch to a target that would return a lynch. (or something else changes my opinion of Superfluous/whoever the fuck)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2013 23:07 GMT
#568
I am not leaning Town on kirby AT ALL. But I am saying that I like the Super case much better. If there was a lynch right now I would go:
1) Super
2) kirby
3) Gotard
4) no lynch unless everybody really wants Stim.
I had a good night of sleep.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 13 2013 23:10 GMT
#569
On July 14 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote:
I am not leaning Town on kirby AT ALL. But I am saying that I like the Super case much better. If there was a lynch right now I would go:
1) Super
2) kirby
3) Gotard
4) no lynch unless everybody really wants Stim.


Fine. I want you to address your train of thought on why someone posting a jokepost and then nothing gives you confidence that they will make serious cases in the future. I also want you to comment on why you think lurking makes someone more pro-town.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 13 2013 23:11 GMT
#570
On July 14 2013 06:09 Umasi wrote:
@XZAVIER
Spoil me, who's your largest scum read? Have you mentioned it and I totally missed it?


Super at the moment. but im catching up on thread now. Lunch just started.
Mafia :D
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2013 23:18 GMT
#571
I am saying that he has the skillset to make good posts. I would go so far that when kirby comes back but never makes that big analytical post that I expect/want him to make, that he looks worse than Super.

Kirby came in this game with a bang, if he isn't going to follow up on this near then end of Day 1. Sure, I completely agree that he looks scummy.

The only thing that I dislike at this moment about kirby is that he was very rude towards StiM in 2 posts while the 2 posts before that he was comforting him without any judgement. All of us said: "StiM, please come back IF you are town, or "prove that you are town' but kirby just said "StiM you are town, the others are scum that are annoying you." Which is very humane, but don't tell him he is an idiot twice right after.

But I like that he pointed out that first sentence in your opening post. It sparks conversation. Nothing wrong there. Same with the joke analysis.
I had a good night of sleep.
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
July 13 2013 23:22 GMT
#572
Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.

Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.

Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.

##vote: jrkirby.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 13 2013 23:31 GMT
#573
Right now my top scum read is super but im going to do a few filter dives when i get home on jkirby and super. after those i can decide between the two. I will probably also filter dive a few of the more active posters to see if there is anything i missed.

But right now super & jkirby both blink bright red on my scumdar.

super has talked of policy then threw a halfass vote at me when asked to vote. didnt even try to convince people to vote with him. Wasting a vote is a horrible thing.
Mafia :D
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 13 2013 23:36 GMT
#574
On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote:
Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.

Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.

Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.

##vote: jrkirby.


Do you think Superfluous is Town?
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 13 2013 23:39 GMT
#575
Okay my lunch is over. i get off in 3.5 hours.
Mafia :D
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 23:40 GMT
#576
On July 14 2013 08:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote:
Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.

Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.

Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.

##vote: jrkirby.


Do you think Superfluous is Town?


And if so, why?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
cloud-9
Profile Joined July 2013
United States4 Posts
July 14 2013 02:50 GMT
#577
Hi guys sorry I'm late. Hope I didn't miss anything really important. I'm going to read through the thread and catch up.
Will all the real cloud-9s please drop water
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:24 GMT
#578
ugh. No clue how to get conversation going.
You should be in a situation where you can post now xzav, what are your thoughts?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 14 2013 04:31 GMT
#579
I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:

To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting

This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town.

The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum.

In particular, I really like these two posts:
On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:
Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone.In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them.

As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him.
On July 14 2013 04:37 Superfluous wrote:
Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far?

Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie.


Basically:
Super is trying to find scum, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance.
Kirby is NOT trying to find scum, but he's trying to look like he is.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 14 2013 04:33 GMT
#580
Umasi, why do you think Super > Kirby?
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