On July 01 2013 06:44 Vivax wrote: piggybacking, flip-flopping, wishy-washy, buddying, recycling
banning these reasons from your cases will dramatically improve your scumhunting, it will actually put you in need to explain how people's actions make them scum in detail.
You don't do that just by putting their play into a category labeled "scummy"
Ok Vivax this is bullshit right here. You are effectively admitting that Jar Jar has done all these things "piggybacking, flip-flopping, wishy-washy, buddying, recycling" and yet you decide the best approach is to coddle? Suggest how he could do better? This is not a newbie mafia game. Unless you want to recant this statement I dont see how you could view Rayne as any more guilty than Jar Jar. Also let me ask you one question (sigh, here we go again), is the player that claims miller more likely than every other player at the start to be a townie?
It's already been established that theyre's pretty much a 60 percent risk factor in him being called out, yet that hasn't happened (though everyones still waiting on you to reveal your pm Marv T_T) which means Marv is already more likely town than the rest of us (who are 50/50) though not town for sure of course. But whats so scummy instead of neutral about backing those odds albiet aggressively?
In other words How is Rayne saying Marv is town for sure any more damming than Oat saying Rayne is scum for sure? In the end neither can prove they're claim until the die is cast, both convictions are null, they dont say anything about alignment just about the way the players have chosen to play the game. Jar Jar's posting on the other hand is objectively bad/scummy, I dont even have to convince you of that, you've said as much yourself.
Jar Jar is the day 1 lynch and your indirect way of confronting him is unsettling to say the least and echoes Oat's similar dismissal of the charges against him. Also with the whole miller thing I feel like your just dancing around technicalities and Wifom, arguing over the intricacies of what some people typed in a hasty tense situation. Let it die, for the moment at least, stop patting your own ego by thinking you've found the mother of all scum slips. If your actually town ceace tunnelling the miller stuff and realize that they're is a better/cleaner pick then Rayne. Which I am sure on some level at least, you already know.
The point with Rayn is that only mafia know the alignments, therefore their behavior reflects that. Rayn Knows that Marv is town, look at his posting. How does he know? Cause hes scum. also
It's already been established that theyre's pretty much a 60 percent risk factor in him being called out, yet that hasn't happened (though everyones still waiting on you to reveal your pm Marv T_T) which means Marv is already more likely town than the rest of us (who are 50/50) though not town for sure of course. But whats so scummy instead of neutral about backing those odds albiet aggressively?
Um odds for us being town are 9/12. I dont know, this whole sentence doesnt make sense. Who cares about the odds of marv being scum or town? Whuttt....
What I mean is Rayne is totally certain that Marv(for whatever reasons which i will not get into) is town in the same way your certain that he (Rayne) is scum, which is to say pretty sure but not absolutely. Rayne doesn't claim Marv is town and then go like, oh yeah but he could be scum sure. Just like you dont go oh yeah it's possible Rayne isn't scum though he really probably is.
Just because you dont include uncertainty because it would weaken your overall stance, doesn't mean you somehow know for a fact whatever it is your saying. For instance does your supposed knowing Rayne is scum make you a magical third party that knows the who scum is? No, it doesn't. All I'm saying is we throw around alota absolutes, that doesn't mean we have definitive knowledge, we just dont see the need to dilute our position.
Also a question, how do you feel about Vivak admitting JJD is scummy in multiple regards and then pretty much just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
On July 01 2013 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol rayn blaming us for attacking him. Classic whiny scum behavior.
Seriously you guys are fucking pedantic.
woop null vs scum.
NICE JOB GUMSHOE
im outta here, too much. too much.
Sorry, whose whiny?
Also how do you feel about Mfuba's only significant post being a wall of text in which he talks about how little hes been active, sheeps you and your opinion ( just like Jar Jar) recycles previous analysis and provides null reads on anyone who hasn't hopped on the Rayne train. Seriously man look at the people on your team, can you honestly say none of them are scummy?
Also what is this shiit?
JJD will not flip scum.
You dont know for a fact JJD wont flip scum, at least you shouldn't, : P yet you dont bother saying, it's unlikely JRR will flip red, because that weakens your argument. This is you proving my point for me right here. And if your willing to consider Rayne town at all cant you be willing to accept that he may just share your stubbornness/conviction?
On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today.
Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?
On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on?
My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever?
On July 01 2013 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I like people who hop on the rayn train considering its by far not the easiest lynch to happen.
Really? At this point it's had more support at one point than another than any other lynch. In fact it was definitely up there as most likely before I pointed out Jar Jar. I view it as an easy lynch over meh reasons, and proper scum lynches are never easy.
On July 01 2013 23:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: Might as well post my role now. I'm Pfc. Michael Zimmermann
Not sure if that helps me but hopefully the fact that there wont be a counterclaim and that fact that mafia would probably pick a blue role to try and draw out a PR makes my case better.
Sigh all that work T_T, Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. In general though I see no point pursuing you anymore, if someone wants to make a counterclaim well deal with it then. Flipity Flopity Flip!
Sadly I wont be here for much of the day, going to the beach for fireworks and Canada day eh. Btw I suggest looking at people who felt certain Jar Jar was town when he appeared to be the furthest thing from it, I'm of the opinion that scum did not bus Jar Jar because they felt confident they could get Rayne. I wont name names yet though because I dont have the time to make an argument. See yall tonight meantime I'll take my vote off Jar Jar, but I wont be putting it anywhere else until I take another filter dive.
On July 02 2013 00:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: @gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming?
On the one hand I think well be doing scums job for them by revealing our blues. On the other, sure, it could work, but the decision needs to be semi unanimous(like 5-8 people) or it wont be of much use to town, and it'll be a huge boon to scum(who can weed out blues). I vote yes, if five or so more people agree then I'll reveal at around the same time as them, shall we say six hours before the vote(not sure how to juggle pst and what not)?.
Oh and sorry about asking for flavour, didn't catch thats its not allowed. Was also just trying to make a joke XD. And yes, name revealing feels broken and cheap and would actually lessen my enjoyment of this game. But if thats what towns want thats what town'll get. After all, dont hate the players... later all, im gone.
On July 02 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: Regardless he unvoted so the point is moo.
What is wierd though is how he disappeared during the crucial part of the day. Especially considering he used that exact same reasoning to build his case against Stutters and myself. See if I was like him, I'd start throwing out all these theorys that he couldn't refute about how the mass roleclaim idea scared him away and he purposefully stayed away from the thread.
In fairness he did say his activity would be spotty on Day 1, Canada day and what have you. I agree with you that it's at best extremely hypocritical with the Stutters thing.
..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv
Is any of this stuff really scummy?
In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence.
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.
I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:
On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters
And here's the post in question:
On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?
1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont.
2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me
@gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming?
On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you?
I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did. On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote: Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed.
To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out.
I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP: It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup.
Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters.
On July 02 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I'm not entirely sure about gumshoe. Quite a bit of his posting seems to show a willingness to think about the game in depth. Dunno how much I agree with Jarjar's point on the voting-to-save-self stuff. Outside of the last hour of the day, it's not a particularly productive thing to say that you'll vote for anyone that's not yourself. The roleclaim stuff is a bit more interesting though. Didn't think so much of it just reading through his filter but JarJar makes a valid point there; it is weird to give reasons against it but then say he'd go for it.
Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well).
They're is another role that would show hesitance about revealing just like scum would. That post was a wink wink nudge nudge to Jar Jar, but seeing as hes thick as a castle wall I'll say this much.
Doesn't matter seeing as were revealing, but I wont say which role specifically till after or just before tonight.
I'm not mad at Jar Jar for not seeing the post that way, just... disappointed.
On June 30 2013 13:04 gumshoe wrote: My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure.
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play. The town move would be to stay in chat, confront accusations and attempt to contribute and redirect town discussion, which Rayne has done (albiet somewhat unsuccessfully considering everyone and they're mom wont let the miller thing drop for an hour even).
On July 01 2013 05:02 gumshoe wrote: I also am not dropping the case on you not because your generaly inactive, but because of a certain period in which you were inactive, a stretch of time wherein we could of used you to clarify things, contribute and clear your name, instead you vanished at a critical moment and that felt to me like you were trying to regroup with scum and wait things out. Which worked, nobodies really mad at you anymore, so of course your here now eager to help.
On July 01 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote: Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up .
I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post?
Also look @ that 2nd post where he says "the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides.". But that wasn't really what he said when he was supecting stutters earlier
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Pretty much my reasoning a little whole ago XD but actively looking for miller as a bud isn't scummy, its neutral, I would rather see what stutters pops, because he's less of an asset. If he flips red I cant see Ryan being scum, if we blindly lynch Rayne and he's town that'll just suck. Basically I rather risk stutters before Ryane XD. And yes this game is about hunting scum, not doing risk assessment but Rayne looks suspicious because he's in to good a manufactured position and stutters looks suspicious because he's made a mistake. I find the latter usually more damming so I swing more scum on him at the moment and it doesn't hurt that were risking less.
It only became about pressuring stutters after the fact because gumshoe was pushing his "Stutters left the thread because he was scum and couldn't handle the pressure" agenda.
And lastly, since I know I'm town (I know that no one else can know this but I'm giving my own reasons) and there are 3 people voting me. Odds are that 1 of em is scum since I'd imagine they'd want to spread their vote around.
vote: gumshoe
Bold 1: You think these things are miniscule? Cause thats what you were doing. Although I'm meh on you now I'm suspicious of anyone who took your innocence as a given (Oats Vivak) because at the time you looked 100 percent scum to me. I still defend my initial reads on you in this regard.
Bold 2: reread the second paragraph, or learn to read in the first place.
Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play
My perception of Stutters has not changed at all. I've just reassessed why RAYNE pressed him. I always believed he was scummy for leaving when he did, heres that first qoute again
My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure
I've flipp flopped only once this game and that was on you. Feel free to call me out over that.
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today.
The statement itself is fine, it's the fact that your making it thats scummy. Why say this at all? It sounds like youve given up on scumhunting and you'll vote wherever you need to survive. If your actually town then gives us something useful than this garbage controversial fluff.
God why I am even still attacking you? I dont think your scum. Stop forcing me to justify reads that dont even matter anymore so that I can actually go hunt. Also dont you think your just a little bit biased going after me? I've already proved that a bunch of points can be made and they can all be pretty much wrong (in regards to you) stop tunnelling me based off posts from yesterday and a gut feeling most likely based off revenge and look at whats happened since.
I am done defending myself. Feel free to peddle what you want from now on I wont adress it, if I get lynched so be it, because honestly the only way that happens is if I cant produce a scum read thats better than this false one, and that would be quite embarrassing.
Jar Jar and Wos, how do you feel about Lazer acknowledging Vayne as lynch bait early on and then going ahead and lynching him anyways?
On July 02 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I'm not entirely sure about gumshoe. Quite a bit of his posting seems to show a willingness to think about the game in depth. Dunno how much I agree with Jarjar's point on the voting-to-save-self stuff. Outside of the last hour of the day, it's not a particularly productive thing to say that you'll vote for anyone that's not yourself. The roleclaim stuff is a bit more interesting though. Didn't think so much of it just reading through his filter but JarJar makes a valid point there; it is weird to give reasons against it but then say he'd go for it.
Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well).
They're is another role that would show hesitance about revealing just like scum would. That post was a wink wink nudge nudge to Jar Jar, but seeing as hes thick as a castle wall I'll say this much.
On July 02 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: Regardless he unvoted so the point is moo.
What is wierd though is how he disappeared during the crucial part of the day. Especially considering he used that exact same reasoning to build his case against Stutters and myself. See if I was like him, I'd start throwing out all these theorys that he couldn't refute about how the mass roleclaim idea scared him away and he purposefully stayed away from the thread.
In fairness he did say his activity would be spotty on Day 1, Canada day and what have you. I agree with you that it's at best extremely hypocritical with the Stutters thing.
..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv
Is any of this stuff really scummy?
In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence.
Here's my first post that he's referring to:
On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.
I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:
On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters
And here's the post in question:
On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?
1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont.
Finding someones post not town-indicitive <> attacking that person. That's a huge leap to make.
2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me
@gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming?
On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you?
I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did. On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote: Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed.
To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out.
I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP: It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup.
Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters.
This is just a complete misrepresentation of what happened. I had made my cases against you BEFORE any of the role stuff happened. I didn't take the opportunnity to pounce after you said you were leaving for the day. The majority of what I said was before that. Yes I reposted it for marv and then sure, I started it up again today while you were still gone. Are you saying that I shouldn't push my scumread because he disapeared for the day? I don't know how you can say you "assumed we were on fine terms" when we already had plenty of back and forth and I posted @ least 2 full cases against you.
Well then tough, you've been misrepresenting half of what I said as well, this is just the way I see it. I'm not talking with you about this anymore though, answer my question on Lazer please.
In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence.
Here's my first post that he's referring to:
On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.
I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:
On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters
And here's the post in question:
On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?
gumshoe, I'm curious about what Jarjar picked up with the bolded. You attack Jarjar for groundlessly attacking Jarjar, when Jarjar had merely said he didn't see why Lazer should be a townread. Do you understand how that looks like you were grabbing and twisting at stuff? Or do you have a different explanation?
I believe scum would find passive aggressive ways to throw doubt on people. him saying "nothing in his posting looks townie"
is effectively him saying he looked through his filter, and found him null/scum. The tone of it sounded scum to me though because of the sort of double pronged(associating rayne and lazer) passive way it came across.
On July 02 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: Regardless he unvoted so the point is moo.
What is wierd though is how he disappeared during the crucial part of the day. Especially considering he used that exact same reasoning to build his case against Stutters and myself. See if I was like him, I'd start throwing out all these theorys that he couldn't refute about how the mass roleclaim idea scared him away and he purposefully stayed away from the thread.
In fairness he did say his activity would be spotty on Day 1, Canada day and what have you. I agree with you that it's at best extremely hypocritical with the Stutters thing.
..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv
Is any of this stuff really scummy?
In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence.
Here's my first post that he's referring to:
On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.
I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:
On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters
And here's the post in question:
On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?
1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont.
Finding someones post not town-indicitive <> attacking that person. That's a huge leap to make.
2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me
@gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming?
On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you?
I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did. On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote: Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed.
To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out.
I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP: It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup.
Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters.
This is just a complete misrepresentation of what happened. I had made my cases against you BEFORE any of the role stuff happened. I didn't take the opportunnity to pounce after you said you were leaving for the day. The majority of what I said was before that. Yes I reposted it for marv and then sure, I started it up again today while you were still gone. Are you saying that I shouldn't push my scumread because he disapeared for the day? I don't know how you can say you "assumed we were on fine terms" when we already had plenty of back and forth and I posted @ least 2 full cases against you.
Well then tough, you've been misrepresenting half of what I said as well, this is just the way I see it. I'm not talking with you about this anymore though, answer my question on Lazer please.
How is that an answer? You said you thought we were on fine terms even though I had spent a great deal of time accusing you. Why would you have thought that?
The tone of our last conversation along side your reveal and my reversal changed my view. Is that so hard to believe? Sorry but your completely biased and wrong. Answer my question if you feel you deserve the same. How did you feel about Lazer putting his vote on vayne though mentioning thoroughly he was likely lynch bait. Also do you think it'd be easier to claim blue in this game than green?
In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence.
Here's my first post that he's referring to:
On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.
I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:
On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters
And here's the post in question:
On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?
gumshoe, I'm curious about what Jarjar picked up with the bolded. You attack Jarjar for groundlessly attacking Jarjar, when Jarjar had merely said he didn't see why Lazer should be a townread. Do you understand how that looks like you were grabbing and twisting at stuff? Or do you have a different explanation?
I believe scum would find passive aggressive ways to throw doubt on people. him saying "nothing in his posting looks townie"
is effectively him saying he looked through his filter, and found him null/scum. The tone of it sounded scum to me though because of the sort of double pronged(associating rayne and lazer) passive way it came across.
Isn't the townie explanation that he sees someone with what he views as a weird townread and doesn't tally it with his own mentality/view of the game?
But then what is he implying? That Rayne is giving Lazer a free pass? Then hes still accusing and associating them in shallow way, I'm sorry but I find that scummy.
In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:
On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence.
Here's my first post that he's referring to:
On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong?
Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.
I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:
On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters
And here's the post in question:
On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?
gumshoe, I'm curious about what Jarjar picked up with the bolded. You attack Jarjar for groundlessly attacking Jarjar, when Jarjar had merely said he didn't see why Lazer should be a townread. Do you understand how that looks like you were grabbing and twisting at stuff? Or do you have a different explanation?
I believe scum would find passive aggressive ways to throw doubt on people. him saying "nothing in his posting looks townie"
is effectively him saying he looked through his filter, and found him null/scum. The tone of it sounded scum to me though because of the sort of double pronged(associating rayne and lazer) passive way it came across.
Isn't the townie explanation that he sees someone with what he views as a weird townread and doesn't tally it with his own mentality/view of the game?
Also context is important, early in the game alot of people were arguing and pushing matters along, Jar Jar had three posts that flung veiled jabs at solstice Lazer and Rayne. Now we can look back and see the whole thing in perspective and read his rebuttals and take note of his reveal but back then he seemed pretty lurkey/accusatory.
On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot.
On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote: Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims.
On July 02 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote: It's not 100% clear from the OP that *only* the names listed are in the game maybe? I assume you guys have names from the OP?
I'm 99 % sure only the names listed are in the game. It says "these roles will be in the game".
Why would the host give someone a name other than ones listed there?
Actually it says "The following characters may be in the game" which is not quite the same thing. The reason would be to prevent massclaiming potentially breaking the game
Claiming miller is starkly different from claiming civi. The presence of a miller affects the whole game, especially with a parity cop in play. His reveal affects town directly rather than just affecting his statues. I dont think it's fair to compare the the two reveals honestly / :
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meantime I'll take my vote off Jar Jar, but I wont be putting it anywhere else until I take another filter dive.
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