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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So he keeps saying his vote on Stutters is basically a placeholder vote until 'something worse' happens. Also, he doesnt seem really all interested in lynching stutters, he says that his vote is there until stutters is back. which is relatively easy for stutters to do. I have no idea why he voted then if he doesnt want to lynch stutters. His overreaction to your pokes is also odd. He dismisses your points really fast and shits on you in the process. I could see this being a bus though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Why do you exactly think Lazer is scum? He has definitely not said marv is 100% town in his eyes so that doesn't count. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 30 2013 22:56 Vivax wrote:I also mentioned that Lazer made the same mistake in not assuming the genuine perspective, here: Knowing that marv is town, he didn't assume that there could be no miller. On June 30 2013 23:13 Vivax wrote: Maybe I'm missunderstanding what your point is here but here is how I saw it. ? Lazer says marv is probably town cause there can only be 1 miller. And that while knowing that he fakeclaimed miller in another game. Initially impression is that Marv should be town because of reasons I stated. Of course there could be 0 millers but if marv is scum he doesn't know that. Thats the risky part of the claim (obviously). However, when I read the game it became clear that marv did a very similar thing in a similar game, making me less sure of the fact that he is town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Lol WAT WAT WAT WAT WAT Seriously? Are you kidding me? or what? Lol? I didn't say marv was confirmed town, did I? I was the guy who stayed up all night to argue with Rayn why Marv WASN'T confirmed mafia. You may discuss anything you like except for Rayn. The discussion isn't very productive atm I'd say. You have made you opinion very very very clear. So has Rayn. If you really think he is scum there really is no reason for you to keep on arguing with him, is it? you don't need to convince him of being scum himself... With that said, I'd love you to give your opinions on Vayle and Stutters! you might wanna change that word. On June 30 2013 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote: Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup. First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers. And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town. This post basically. You talk all about 2 millers would be OP and that 1 miller means that marv is town. What? Like you dont take into account the fakeclaiming marv at all in this paragraph. In essence, this paragraph is saying that there is probably only 1 miller for balance reasons. And that marv is town. what jump did you take to get there? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote: If this is true you've done it in an interesting way I'd say. The discussion you have generated this far has been about you being scum.@WoS Je m'en fous This is how I always play. My day 1 reads are notoriously bad. I find generating discussion to be a much better use of my time. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote: /facepalmyou might wanna change that word. This post basically. You talk all about 2 millers would be OP and that 1 miller means that marv is town. What? Like you dont take into account the fakeclaiming marv at all in this paragraph. In essence, this paragraph is saying that there is probably only 1 miller for balance reasons. And that marv is town. what jump did you take to get there? First off, like I've said over 9000 times already, I'm nowhere as sure that Marv is town as I were when I wrote that post in the start of the game. This post was based on the assumption that: 1. Marv doesn't take crazy risks 2. There are probably not 2 millers in the game 3. There could very well be 1 miller in the game. With above facts, it would be very easy to draw the conclusion that marv is not scum beuse if he were, there is a high chance he could get counter claimed. When I then looked at the other game, I found out that marv did in fact claim miller as scum in a game where 2 millers were almost impossible but 1 was quite likely, just like this game. Thats why I changed my mind. But even ignoring that, its BS to say that someone is scum just because they are convinced that someone is town. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Yhea, filters really are hard to read, no?So lazer, stutters is scum? Why? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
in your next post. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Stutters (2): WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, Vivax Not Voting (7): Stutters, VayneAuthority, gumshoe, marvellosity, mkfuba, solstice, JarJarDinks Stutters currently set to be lynched. (tiebreakorz) Deadline in ~25.5 hours Voting thread 2013 always remember | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Dunno what to think about fuba, he needs to post more. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:29 Stutters695 wrote: If this is true I will punch my head into something hard. Whats the deal with playing if your not playing? Read any game I've played. Usually people suspect me day 1 for the exact same reasons but not before someone else already has a train on them so it never goes anywhere. Usually I'd have maybe three posts by this time but I'm trying to improve my play. If that results in a d1 mislynch on me, so be it. It helps me learn for later. Give me reads. Give me something. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 01 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote: watching MLG. Its reasonable that a town player does not question a miller claim at all? Not 1 bit? Since when? Also, he didnt even explain anything about his 180 on you, he was so confident last night, now its like "I dont know what his alignment is" and he never mentions your 'scummiest' post. I feel like its scum trying to get people to forget about his read and slowly changing you to a town read. I think town would talk about it, I mean why not? But scum just wants to not draw attention to it. Come on Stutters. Come on. Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play. The town move would be to stay in chat, confront accusations and attempt to contribute and redirect town discussion, which Rayne has done (albiet somewhat unsuccessfully considering everyone and they're mom wont let the miller thing drop for an hour even). Like I said, my read on Rain is null at the moment (though buddying with Marv and pitching it as if hes doing Marv a favour still bugs me  but his general behaviour and encouragement of discussion kinda counteract that feeling) and I dont think hed make a good day 1 lynch, so you wont get my vote on him yet.I would be willing to vote for Stutters, but to be honest they're is someone else out they're who I feel deserves my vote more. Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence. His next "big" post attacks Solstice for commenting on the major matter at hand and for trying to pressure others. What really pisses me off though is this Look @ the way he announces that he's about to call a bunch of people out. Like "Look @ me guys, I'm totally not afraid to go after anyone" This is not scum hunting, this is him attacking Solstice's character, when all Sol has really done is try contribute his opinion on the miller incident(which he hadn't yet done) and try draw out responses while weeding out fluff. Also you dont even really accuse him of scum play, you effectively just say hes pompous, how is that scummy? In his grand total of three posts Jar Jar has recycled other peoples opinions and presented them as his own, he has attaced Rayne, Razor and Solstice three people who regardless of alignment have contributed novel thought and promoted discussion. The entirety of Jar Jar's role so far is effectively one of shiiting on discussion itself(or at least attacking a significant component of it) and that of bandwagoning Rayne because of stuff other people said. They're are more than one scum out they're, and I'm of the opinion that at least one would prefer the company of the shadows. At the moment I would feel much more comfortable lynching Jar Jar. At least until he gets in here and contributes something useful. Also...he and Oat appeared in the thread at relatively the same time pretty much preaching the same tune. Im not saying aliens but... ALIENS. ##VOTE: JarJarDrinks In regards to Oats, hes tunneling Rayne almost as hard as Rayne is sheeping Marv XD few questions oats. What should we do if we lynch Rayne and hes town? What do you think of Jar Jar? What do you think of Mkfuba? What do you think of the appeal of a Game Of Thrones prequel shows if the show catches up to the ASOF books? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:32 Oatsmaster wrote: post it here. in your next post. There is lot to talk about. Stutters and WoS are scummy. Do you agree? We talk about marv more when he posts more. Like I already said, I think your points against stutters are good. The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Has anyone played with gumshoe before? I don't understand what most of his posts say and the parts i understand are retarded connection cases. No one has played with me as town I am the wild card. My post was just saying I dont think your town just because you back Marv, though you were presenting it as if your doing him the favour. I was actually the first person to accuse you of anything (past stutters) though I dont think you'd make a good day one lynch. I'd be willing to lynch Stutters Oats or Jar Jar, thats what my posting boils down to, sorry for all the extra fat. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On I don't understand what most of his posts say and the parts i understand are retarded connection cases. I actually was looking at him earlier and had the same July 01 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Has anyone played with gumshoe before? I would like to hear some more from him but even with his association cases he's said nothing that isn't obvious. Even his scum read on me is solely for your read on me at the time and that I disappeared after you put pressure on me. Feels kind of like contributing without really contributing. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:37 gumshoe wrote: No one has played with me as town I am the wild card. My post was just saying I dont think your town just because you back Marv, though you were presenting it as if your doing him the favour. I was actually the first person to accuse you of anything (past stutters) though I dont think you'd make a good day one lynch. I'd be willing to lynch Stutters Oats or Jar Jar, thats what my posting boils down to, sorry for all the extra fat.I am not in any way sheeping marv, why do you say so? I am not "doing him a favour", i was trying to get him to work with me, allying with him, as i think we can catch scum together as we are both town and now i am telling people why i think he is town because apparently i am not allowed to have that opinion? Btw i have done that before, with a guy i thought might be SK at that moment. :D | ||
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