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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:38 GMT
#261
Oats, nobody is talking about sheeping.
And yes, if you claimed blue right now i would treat you as town as fakeclaiming would be incredibly stupid. But i would not sheep you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:39 GMT
#262
On July 01 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually Rayn, how often do people claim in games that you have been in? Have you seen a miller claim before?

Yeah DP claimed in some game, but that claim was bad imo.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:40 GMT
#263
How come this claim made you 100% think that he is town?
And the other DP claim wasnt?

Can you quote some of your reactions to blue claims?
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
June 30 2013 16:42 GMT
#264
On July 01 2013 01:41 Vivax wrote:
I just remembered Carnival Cruise, this is how Rayn reacts to such claims as town:

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.


Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.


Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.


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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:42 GMT
#265
LOL VIVAX.

No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:43 GMT
#266
rofl, that situation is entirely different.

Vivax shape up, or are you mafia?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:45 GMT
#267

On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.

I dunno mate, this seems like you are talking about this game.
No gg, No skill.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 30 2013 16:48 GMT
#268
Rayn I'd like to hear the contradiction you said you spotted in WoS play. Typing up why I thought you were town when I woke up.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:49 GMT
#269
Rayn, how the fuck can you tell Vivax to shape up when this is just about the towniest play ever by Vivax as Vivax?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:52 GMT
#270
This game:
- We know there can be 0-2 millers.
- We can assume there is not 2 millers because of what me/Lazer have said.
- We can assume if marv is mafia he is bright enough to realize that.
- Millers have role-names.
- If you fake claim miller, it's only beneficial if there are no millers.
- If there is one miller, and you fakeclaim, you have a 50% chance of instantly being outed.
- There might even be no cop at all
- It makes no sense to fake claim miller.

From games DP claimed and i thought BM claimed:
- We did not know if there are millers at all.
- We did not know how many millers there are if there are millers.
- Millers did not have special role-names
- There were ~10 more players than there are in this game, so more millers are likely
- There is very little risk in getting outed if you claim miller.
- It might be beneficial if town is stupid enough to believe you, and if you are town it makes no sense to claim miller.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:53 GMT
#271
On July 01 2013 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn, how the fuck can you tell Vivax to shape up when this is just about the towniest play ever by Vivax as Vivax?

Because he is talking about an entirely different situation and comparing it to this one.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:57 GMT
#272
On July 01 2013 01:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Rayn I'd like to hear the contradiction you said you spotted in WoS play. Typing up why I thought you were town when I woke up.

WoS says my/Vivax' "analysis" about your bad question to me is very different. In fact Vivax said just what i did, i was just asking you about it and Vivax was telling about it. If WoS had read my comment and what was between the lines he would have realized i was saying the same thing Vivax said. He is not reading the thread or trying to understand why people say what they do say.

Other than that, he says he can't post much but when he posts he uses that time to say he can't post much. If he was town he would post something useful instead.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:59 GMT
#273
We dont know the exact number of millers in this game.
Marv claimed at the start of the game.

I mean the reaction is totally different from what you are saying earlier.
- It makes no sense to fake claim miller.

I see confirmed townie status is not enough for you.
[quote]- If there is one miller, and you fakeclaim, you have a 50% chance of instantly being outed.
[quote]
Except not really because there COULD BE 2 millers in this game at the point of time when marv claimed.
Also the rolename shit means that its even LESS risky to claim as scum.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:59 GMT
#274
Rayn, is stutters scum?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 17:11 GMT
#275
OH OH RAYN.
WHERE YOU GO MAN?
TALKING ABOUT IT WITH YOUR SCUMBUDDIES???????


No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 17:12 GMT
#276
On July 01 2013 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn, is stutters scum?

I don't know, he has been asked a lot of questions which he "will answer when he has more time" but instead every time he posts he posts something else.

We dont know the exact number of millers in this game.
Except not really because there COULD BE 2 millers in this game at the point of time when marv claimed.
Also the rolename shit means that its even LESS risky to claim as scum.

No we don't, but we can assume there are 1 or 0 millers, you even said that's how it very likely is.
Of course there COULD BE, but again, look at the above. Why are you using something against me that you agree with?
How does the "rolename shit" mean it's less risky to claim miller, i don't understand at all?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 17:18 GMT
#277
Dude why the 180 when you were so sure about it the night before? So his 'scumslip' isnt a scumslip?

The point is that you are making it out to be WAY more risky for scum to claim when it actually isnt. Ace made this mistake in Roulette, you FALL FOR IT TOO.

The specific rolenames for each possible miller make it easier for scum to fakeclaim miller because they just claim second and claim the other rolename that the townie didnt claim. So therefore it isnt even a 1 for 1 deal here.
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
June 30 2013 17:20 GMT
#278
Rayn can you talk scumreads please?
Your actions with this miller thing will not be undone by talking more about it.

Who do we lynch today?

Stutters came, saw and went away. Wasn't he your scumread earlier?

What about WoS, what's this thing you saw that made him scummy?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 17:20 GMT
#279
Also Im proving that the situation this game isnt totally different from the one in Carnival, fakeclaiming miller here is only slightly more risky than in carnival making your statements that game about self aware miller claiming from town rayn. This game, instant believing rayn is scum rayn.

COME ON MARV, come and hammer pls.
PLEASE.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 17:21 GMT
#280
ok Im going to bed, up way too late talking about this.

Lynch Rayn guys. Read this page. Lynch Rayn.

No gg, No skill.
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