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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 15:25 GMT
#241
he was in I swear.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 15:25 GMT
#242
oh no catch 22 sorry.
No gg, No skill.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 30 2013 15:36 GMT
#243
I'll explain it a little more when I get some time to type it up vivax, but I just don't think it's as clear cut as you're making it sound. Your case has me thinking he's not such a townie motherfucker anymore but I don't know if he's a great d1 lynch.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 30 2013 15:43 GMT
#244
Also it's not my birthday. Guess I used a random date when I registered.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 15:54 GMT
#245
Dont leave me hanging man stutters.

Im telling you, rayn a scummy boy.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:10 GMT
#246
Oats is probably just bad, i dunno if Vivax is actually scum. Nothing he says makes me mafia. Of course everything one ever says can be viewed from "scum point of view", but the fact is i do not think marv would have fakeclaimed 5min into D1, him not telling his role name when he claimed has nothing to do with his alignment because there are reasons why you should not tell your role name (if i was a miller i would have not told my role name for reasons i have stated, it doesn't even matter if i got lynched because of that, as it would be a possible 1-1 trade).

Also when i see strong town tells i treat those people as town. I do it as mafia too but that does not definitely make me mafia. If you can't understand my thought process you should maybe reread my posts.

I'll talk about WoS more when i am able to - i am in the middle of moving my stuff to a new place so it might still take a while. I also want to hear why Stutters thinks i'm the "towniest motherfucker alive"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:12 GMT
#247
I'm also eager to hear why/how Vivax did a sudden 180.. no, more like a 540 on about everything last night. And why is noone interested in that?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
June 30 2013 16:14 GMT
#248
On July 01 2013 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm also eager to hear why/how Vivax did a sudden 180.. no, more like a 540 on about everything last night. And why is noone interested in that?


Go into detail about those please.
My fingers are itching.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:18 GMT
#249
Nice rayn, totally brushing off what I said about you without addressing ANYTHING me or Vivax said.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:22 GMT
#250
On June 30 2013 07:29 Vivax wrote:
Rayn pretty much townie too.

Stutters's post that looks bad could be the "know something we don't?" thing. How is scum supposed to know anything about the amount of millers in the game? They can't roll them lol.

I don't see why WoS should be scum for writing in French though.

On June 30 2013 07:38 Vivax wrote:
Addendum to the stutters thing: Looks like a loaded question scum likes to ask earlygame. I don't really see how one would suspect Rayn to be scum for having "extra info" about miller when scum doesn't get any extra info in that regard either. Doesn't seem like the approach a townie would take in that case even if he genuinely believed that.

Ecco un voto per esprimere la mia discordanza e il mio sospetto


##Vote stutters

On June 30 2013 19:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
well marv hasnt posted since the start of the game.

What do you think of Rayn?


His efforts and perseverance in contributing looks townie. But his trust into marv's claim is suspicious, even when he is presented with evidence of marv fakeclaiming miller in another game.

He tries to rationalize his trust in this post:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 30 2013 07:12 Vivax wrote:
It's possible I guess. I don't think it's worth speculating about until another miller claims.

Lazermonkey's vote on WoS gives me a townie feeling. Any differing opinions? Do you agree?Yes? Why?

This is how i see it:
marv claimed before iGrok announced the cop is in fact a parity cop. In case the cop was normal and as there is no GF, it's fair that there is one miller. Two millers make the game insanely hard for a cop, and with two miller claims town might run in circles finding which of the millers is "mafia".As for parity cop, having two millers ease up the game much. If the parity cop is stupid enough to not check marv on N1, they still can check the other miller claim on N2 (as if marv is town he will die on N1) and use that to confirm his earlier and future checks.

If there is no cop there is no point in having millers. One might be okay in the sense that it fucks with the town, but not too much. Two millers and no cop is basically impossible.

marv would not claim miller in either scenario because there is no need to.

So that's why i think marv is town and there is exactly 1 miller.

I agree that Lazer is probably town. His opening post was careless and i don't think he would have done that as scum. His vote on WoS is good as WoS is probably scum. :D

What do you think about Stutters? Mainly his posts about the miller thing. They are really really bad.


Now, it looks like a shitty explanation.
Rayn writes lengthy stuff about marv claiming before parity cop is revealed, but it doesn't tell anything about marv, except that he was expecting normal cops.

Since this is Rayn rationalizing his townread, and mentioning this stuff about miller and cop has no effect on that townread and should rather weaken it, cause Rayn himself mentions that millers are helpful with parity cops and marv would rather not fakeclaim with parity cops present, this explanation looks forced and not very genuine.

Like, the bolded part is literally the whole explanation Rayn offers for marv not being scum. "Because there is no need to".
In what scenarios? Scenarios with parity cop and scenario with no cop. Well, he said himself marv claimed before parity cop announcement, and marv can't know if there's a cop.

Upon analyzing this post I have this Deutsch feeling about rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote Rayn


That. Why the sudden change of mind from going me = town -> me = scum with no new posts from me, and before that you seemed to understand me. You just "reviewed" the situation. Why did you not look at it closely in the first place?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
June 30 2013 16:24 GMT
#251
Rayn has been all like

"Marv totes town"
"There can't be two millers"
"Marv wouldn't claim neither with cop or with no cop coz only one miller"
"Since there can only be one miller marv must be town"
"Marv doesn't fakeclaim 5 minutes into D1" (only 17 minutes in another game)

But never like

"Oh look marv fakeclaimed early in another game maybe he could be scum in this one"
"Oh I don't think there can't be two millers, but maybe there is none either"
"Well marv didn't say his name cause the counterclaimer would have to say his name first and if it was the same as marv's we would lynch the counterclaimer" (Completely dismissing the fact that if marv's claim is fake he can simply claim the other available name and still be safe)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:26 GMT
#252
sleep is good for playing mafia rayn.
So is rolling town. try harder next time
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:27 GMT
#253
Again, what there is for me to gain as mafia to give marv an insta-town read?
I happen to know, and knew from the beginning, there would be people who disagree with me. What do i gain by doing so? Because it does not mean shit that i might look town in marv's eyes, there are many other people whose votes count just as much as his.

I have a strong town read on marv, i was hoping someone would be stupid enough to fakeclaim miller, and added some fuel into fire by saying "there are no 2 millers", because i know that's possible, but highly unlike. If scum had claimed miller i would have laughed and then we would go to the "claim your role name phase".

Fakeclaiming miller does mean unnecessary attention to yourself, in a situation where the attention is not needed. Marv has done it before, yes, and looking into that game it was a big mistake. Scum lost and it did not definitely help him/them. I think he has learned from that and would not do so again.

I'm not the right person to answer about marv's thought process but that's how i see the situation.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
June 30 2013 16:29 GMT
#254
That. Why the sudden change of mind from going me = town -> me = scum with no new posts from me, and before that you seemed to understand me. You just "reviewed" the situation. Why did you not look at it closely in the first place?


Coz I was drunk and tired lol.

I reread the thread and saw things in a new light while I was analyzing your post after Oats asked me to take a look at you.

Are people scum for changing their mind? Even when they go in depth about their reasons?
Is anyone who misses something at first and then changes his view -on his own- scum?

Looks pretty much like you're just grasping at straws.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:31 GMT
#255
Oats you are probably town aswell but you are looking into wrong place atm.
Who else do you think is scum than me?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:33 GMT
#256
On July 01 2013 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Again, what there is for me to gain as mafia to give marv an insta-town read?
I happen to know, and knew from the beginning, there would be people who disagree with me. What do i gain by doing so? Because it does not mean shit that i might look town in marv's eyes, there are many other people whose votes count just as much as his.

I have a strong town read on marv, i was hoping someone would be stupid enough to fakeclaim miller, and added some fuel into fire by saying "there are no 2 millers", because i know that's possible, but highly unlike. If scum had claimed miller i would have laughed and then we would go to the "claim your role name phase".

Fakeclaiming miller does mean unnecessary attention to yourself, in a situation where the attention is not needed. Marv has done it before, yes, and looking into that game it was a big mistake. Scum lost and it did not definitely help him/them. I think he has learned from that and would not do so again.

I'm not the right person to answer about marv's thought process but that's how i see the situation.

Marv has done it before, yes, and looking into that game it was a big mistake.

Are you kidding? It kept yamato alive long after he shouldve been lynched. It gave marv confirmed town status but he had to replace out and yamato kinda didnt take advantage of it. It was a good play.

Rayn. You dont necessarily need to gain something from a particular action. You knew that a miller claim would be from town because your mafia team didnt want to take the risk so when marv claimed miller you knew he was town and your actions reflected that of a scum reacting to a claim rather than town. Instantly believing it and not even thinking for 1 SINGLE moment that marv is scum. How about blue claims? Would you react the same way if I claimed doc now? "OATS CONFIRMED TOWN, IMMA SHEEP HIM"?

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:33 GMT
#257
you and lazer
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 16:36 GMT
#258
On July 01 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
That. Why the sudden change of mind from going me = town -> me = scum with no new posts from me, and before that you seemed to understand me. You just "reviewed" the situation. Why did you not look at it closely in the first place?


Coz I was drunk and tired lol.

I reread the thread and saw things in a new light while I was analyzing your post after Oats asked me to take a look at you.

Are people scum for changing their mind? Even when they go in depth about their reasons?
Is anyone who misses something at first and then changes his view -on his own- scum?

Looks pretty much like you're just grasping at straws.

I am not grasping at straws. I asked for an explanation and you just gave one. I don't think you are mafia for changing your mind, actually i think you are more likely to be town, because i see your point and your thought process is clear.

However, you are wrong because i am town. What you wrote about me sure is a possible way to look at the situation, but it's not the only one. Now after i have told how i saw/see the situation, is there anything you need a clarification on, or should we go find real mafia?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#259
Rayn got the wrong PM guys, it says hes fake mafia.
Hosts pls fix
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#260
Actually Rayn, how often do people claim in games that you have been in? Have you seen a miller claim before?
No gg, No skill.
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