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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22420 Posts
June 30 2013 10:54 GMT
#201
On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?

If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv.


Lazer has been asking for marv's scumgame with fakeclaim all the time. I'd expect you to have looked up the link I posted, but given your suspicious hard-on for defending marv it doesn't surprise me you didn't do that.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&currentpage=12#222

17 minutes into the game, is that early enough?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 30 2013 10:54 GMT
#202
On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?

If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv.
Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 11:03 GMT
#203
Why doesn't either of you answer the question what would he gain by claiming miller?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:06 GMT
#204
marv gains confirmed town status.
look. There is precedent. Therefore you are wrong.
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 30 2013 11:07 GMT
#205
On June 30 2013 19:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?

If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv.
Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia?

I'm not sure how relevant that is. (Does anyone know if iGrok is the type of host to give requests rather than RNG?)

As for Vayne, there's not a great deal to say. Played here in one of the first games on the site, disappears and plays on Mafiascum for a while (I think?). Comes back, does decently in newbie games, then causes a whole bunch of shit when playing with the big boys because his playstyle doesn't fit with how we play on TL. He often talks big about how he doesn't do much analysis on the first day but then gets criticized when his play doesn't pick up on subsequent days. Is lynchbait in a lot of his town games and some of his play is questionable. His sole game as mafia was with me and he did really well.

Trying to recognize someone as lynchbait worries me a little, Lazer. It becomes one of those WIFOM things where we don't know:
a) Are you targeting him because he is lynchbait and you get a pass on that if he flips green?
b) Are you targeting him because he looks scummy to you?

This was an issue with jaybrundage in Roulette mini. His play on the lynchbait thing was different in that he self-acknowledged as lynchbait at the start of the game (which I found scummy) and said anyone who goes after him as such was scummy. Turned out he was scum, but me and mostly everyone else ended up not doing much suspecting of him throughout the game because despite saying he was lynchbait, he didn't act as such. That honestly should have set off alarms for me and everyone else much earlier.

This may seem off-topic but in conclusion my stance on it is lynchbait or not, if he's not actively disruptive to town play, and not acting/playing scummy, then I have no reason to lynch him currently. I had talked in an earlier obs QT about the idea of policy lynching because Vayne ends up lynchbait a lot and doesn't play when asked a lot, but that doesn't seem to be the case this game as I mentioned to him, plus I don't think I have the pull/balls to carry off a straight policy lynch.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22420 Posts
June 30 2013 11:09 GMT
#206
On June 30 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why doesn't either of you answer the question what would he gain by claiming miller?


The thing you are trying to give him: Confirmed town status.

At the very least it should have raised some doubt in you when it became obvious that marv could have posted name + role PM.

Instead you wrote this:

On June 30 2013 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah everyone has posted, marv can post the role PM.

Oats you're being dumb. I do not buddy strong town players as scum.


So please answer me this:
And why should he not post it immediately and only after everyone has posted?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:10 GMT
#207
Rayn, I thought you said you play differently every game, therefore meta isnt a thing?
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 30 2013 11:13 GMT
#208
Where did he say this?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:14 GMT
#209
oh man rayn is shitting his pants
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 11:18 GMT
#210
Vivax i already answered that.
Oats i have never said so, i said i play quite similarly as town or mafia.

Why does me giving a townread to marv make me scum? Is it impossible for me to have this thought process i have already explained as town, and if so, why?
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22420 Posts
June 30 2013 11:20 GMT
#211
On June 30 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i already answered that.
Oats i have never said so, i said i play quite similarly as town or mafia.

Why does me giving a townread to marv make me scum? Is it impossible for me to have this thought process i have already explained as town, and if so, why?


No you didn't answer it bro.

You said "Now that everyone has posted he can post his role PM".

I don't see your reasoning behind this. How are other posts in any way relevant to marv being able to post his PM?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 30 2013 11:21 GMT
#212
I do find Vayne's play scummy, that's why I asked. And no, I don't mean a policy type of lynch. I mean a you-are-likely-scum type of lynch. What is your take on his post about me that he ends up doing nothing with, and instead tries to defend himself from attacks that aren't really attacks?

Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 30 2013 11:23 GMT
#213
That post was dircetced at WoS!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:23 GMT
#214
On June 30 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does me giving a townread to marv make me scum? Is it impossible for me to have this thought process i have already explained as town, and if so, why?

You didnt give marv a townread. You took him as flipped town.
Its impossible to have this thought process as town because town takes claims skeptically and doesnt instantly go, OK MARVS TOWN. YAY.

Also, miller is one of the best mafia claims in terms of the fact that you cant be dt checked to confirm your claim.
So since you are experienced, you wouldve known this and thought at least a bit how marv could be scum.
No gg, No skill.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 30 2013 11:29 GMT
#215
My biggest problem with Rayn being scum atm is the fact that it seems that he took an unnecessarily hard aproach to the whole Marv being miller thing. Why couldn't he just say something like "you you guys are right" and avoid all this shit at him? Stuff like this is more likely to come from a stubborn townie IMO.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:30 GMT
#216
because scum thinks 180s are bad.
Actually I think the 'you guys are right' is more likely to come from townie who doesnt give a shit about being right.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 11:30 GMT
#217
On June 30 2013 20:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i already answered that.
Oats i have never said so, i said i play quite similarly as town or mafia.

Why does me giving a townread to marv make me scum? Is it impossible for me to have this thought process i have already explained as town, and if so, why?


No you didn't answer it bro.

You said "Now that everyone has posted he can post his role PM".

I don't see your reasoning behind this. How are other posts in any way relevant to marv being able to post his PM?


Yes i did answer it.
On June 30 2013 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.

table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 30 2013 11:31 GMT
#218
Oats why would i insta-call marv town as scum? Why would i do so?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:33 GMT
#219
If I was miller, I wouldnt claim till I had a strong read on marv.

someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.

This is like the perfect post to show how much you thought marv was town. It appears like there is 0 doubt in your mind. NO DOUBT AT ALL THAT MARV IS TOWN. Even though the second claimer is probably statistically likely to be town.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 11:34 GMT
#220
On June 30 2013 20:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would i insta-call marv town as scum? Why would i do so?

cause thats what your reaction was. Because in your mind, anyone who claimed miller was town.
Its not necessarily strategic.
No gg, No skill.
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