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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 04:31 GMT
#161
rayn is scummy as shit
No gg, No skill.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 30 2013 04:32 GMT
#162
Oats, your reason for thinking it's not scummy is that he didn't actually call Rayn scum?

I'd argue that the implication that Rayn had access to information that he shouldn't have is just about the same thing.
ATOBTTR
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 04:35 GMT
#163
Oh right Oats it was you who called him scum for not following up and whatnot.

Do you not remember how he played in Ego when he was town?
Or Carnival Cruise?

I don't see anything he has done so far as being scummy at all.

Solstice I'd put Lazermonkey as town right now, strong analysis right off the bat, gets discussion moving, not afraid to give concrete reads and throw his vote where he wants. It's also the way he does his analysis; he shows he's actively trying to figure out what marv is up to and while this could be fake I don't believe it is.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 04:48 GMT
#164
On June 30 2013 13:32 s0Lstice wrote:
Oats, your reason for thinking it's not scummy is that he didn't actually call Rayn scum?

I'd argue that the implication that Rayn had access to information that he shouldn't have is just about the same thing.

my reasoning for thinking its not scummy is because its true.
Rayn appears to know that there is only 1 miller.
Stutters points out that the OP says 2 millers are possible and questions how rayn KNOWS there is only 1 miller.
How is this scummy in any way?
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 04:51 GMT
#165
On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already.

This post sounds exactly like something I would say early in a game when talking about balance.
His statement may be hyperbole but Rayn didn't say "HEY GUYS I KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE MILLER IN THIS GAME."

Not scummy.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 04:53 GMT
#166
I called rayn scum for buddying marv and instantly believing marvs miller claim without questioning whether scum would do it AT ALL. Like rayn is too sure that marv is town
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 04:54 GMT
#167
On June 30 2013 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
I called rayn scum for buddying marv and instantly believing marvs miller claim without questioning whether scum would do it AT ALL. Like rayn is too sure that marv is town

This I'd be more likely to have a closer look at.
I am interested to see what marv eventually has to say about all the discussion regarding his miller claim when he comes back.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 04:57 GMT
#168
I dont think rayn is scum for thinking there is 1 miller. All or almost all games have only 1 miller.

WoS, I dont think you know what im talking about
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 05:01 GMT
#169
On June 30 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think rayn is scum for thinking there is 1 miller. All or almost all games have only 1 miller.

WoS, I dont think you know what im talking about

Oh I assumed the reason you thoughts Stutters wasn't scummy was the same argument for what you thought Rayn WAS scummy for.

You're referring more to the finding marv instant townie thing, huh?
I get what you're saying, but as scum throwing out a super-strong townread right off the bat just doesn't seem like a smart play.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 30 2013 05:01 GMT
#170
My top scum suspect right now is s0Lstice. His entire first post + Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote:
my inbox is evergreen

lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work.

this is the scummiest post in the thread so far:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:00 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already.

Know something we don't? The op lists two possible millers as roles.


Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters.

Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn.

Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:33 Lazermonkey wrote:
But what do you want to talk about then?

While I agree talking about his claim isn't very productive untill more players have showed up, I'd rather talk about Marv than nothing.


...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy.

Vivax-

What are you doing here?

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:45 Vivax wrote:
Marv so silent.

Whassup marv.

That seems unusual.


Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:59 Vivax wrote:
Well ok. I reviewed things a little.

We have 2 guys saying their activity will be shit on D1 (marv and the new guy)

Then we have WoS say:
I'm not really going to be around until late tonight, so no

(as reply to "Hey you got anything to say?")

So yeah, kinda asshole answer. But also kinda careless. I'd treat it as null, and it's not really comparable to the announcement that the whole of D1 will be of low activity.

I also realized I partially parroted Rayn's reasons for stutter's posts looking bad. Apologies I'm a little drunk coz of my weekend feast and wrote pretty spontaneously. Going to bed now tho. See you sober.


Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious?

Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit.


is attacking people for totally meaningless stuff. Look @ the way he announces that he's about to call a bunch of people out. Like "Look @ me guys, I'm totally not afraid to go after anyone". He's really reaching if he thinks anything he mentioned is very scummy.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 30 2013 05:02 GMT
#171
On June 30 2013 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 13:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 30 2013 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 30 2013 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a serious contradiction in WoS' behaviour. Whoever can see that gains many townie points.

lol Rayn you're still a cutie.
For whoever it was that said they didn't like Rayn's play, I am altogether unconcerned atm. This is how Rayn plays, he tunnels and asks shitloads of questions. When marv shows up he'll likely have some long interaction with him, marv might call him dumb about something, then he'll switch tracks. We'll wait and see.

In other news, Vayne holy shit. Is that D1 analysis??


Ya I might not be so nice after my vacation is over and a 9 hour drive tho

Gumshoe town methinks no reason yet

Oh wait you just reminded me I was supposed to policy lynch you this game!
Except now you're acting differently than usual.
Which makes me want to lynch you.
Wat do?



Policy lynching is cowardly, not to mention I got them to vote for vivas instead so we didn't lose. I don't really see the basis of your anger.

I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 05:04 GMT
#172
On June 30 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 30 2013 13:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 30 2013 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 30 2013 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a serious contradiction in WoS' behaviour. Whoever can see that gains many townie points.

lol Rayn you're still a cutie.
For whoever it was that said they didn't like Rayn's play, I am altogether unconcerned atm. This is how Rayn plays, he tunnels and asks shitloads of questions. When marv shows up he'll likely have some long interaction with him, marv might call him dumb about something, then he'll switch tracks. We'll wait and see.

In other news, Vayne holy shit. Is that D1 analysis??


Ya I might not be so nice after my vacation is over and a 9 hour drive tho

Gumshoe town methinks no reason yet

Oh wait you just reminded me I was supposed to policy lynch you this game!
Except now you're acting differently than usual.
Which makes me want to lynch you.
Wat do?



Policy lynching is cowardly, not to mention I got them to vote for vivas instead so we didn't lose. I don't really see the basis of your anger.


Wat.
I'm not angry, but my reasoning if I were to go that route is because most of the time your posting is a detriment to town and you look so scummy we'd get fucked somehow at LYLO. I don't think I have the demeanor to pull that off as well as someone like BC however, and I'm way too unsure of that being a good call in every scenario where I run into someone whose posting I generally don't like.

It's not specifically based on Roulette.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 30 2013 05:06 GMT
#173
On June 30 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think rayn is scum for thinking there is 1 miller. All or almost all games have only 1 miller.

WoS, I dont think you know what im talking about

Oh I assumed the reason you thoughts Stutters wasn't scummy was the same argument for what you thought Rayn WAS scummy for.

You're referring more to the finding marv instant townie thing, huh?
I get what you're saying, but as scum throwing out a super-strong townread right off the bat just doesn't seem like a smart play.

it is if it gets the strongest town player on your side. Also marv never ever gets mislynched
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 05:08 GMT
#174
On June 30 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 30 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think rayn is scum for thinking there is 1 miller. All or almost all games have only 1 miller.

WoS, I dont think you know what im talking about

Oh I assumed the reason you thoughts Stutters wasn't scummy was the same argument for what you thought Rayn WAS scummy for.

You're referring more to the finding marv instant townie thing, huh?
I get what you're saying, but as scum throwing out a super-strong townread right off the bat just doesn't seem like a smart play.

it is if it gets the strongest town player on your side. Also marv never ever gets mislynched

So?
Neither do I.
And besides town marv wouldn't fall for something so basic.

RIGHT MARV?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 30 2013 05:10 GMT
#175
Just scum hunt champ, try and look beyond what you think is scummy and we will all be better for it. Look at motivation instead of meta and you will find me much easier to read if that helps.

Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now
I come in for the scraps
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 30 2013 05:10 GMT
#176
Oats, the implication to me was pretty clear. Asking someone if they know something we(town) don't is a suggestion that they aren't town. When have you ever seen this question mean something else?
ATOBTTR
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 30 2013 05:12 GMT
#177
On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Just scum hunt champ, try and look beyond what you think is scummy and we will all be better for it. Look at motivation instead of meta and you will find me much easier to read if that helps.

Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Wat.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 30 2013 05:13 GMT
#178
On June 30 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:
My top scum suspect right now is s0Lstice. His entire first post + Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote:
my inbox is evergreen

lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work.

this is the scummiest post in the thread so far:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:00 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already.

Know something we don't? The op lists two possible millers as roles.


Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters.

Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn.

Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:33 Lazermonkey wrote:
But what do you want to talk about then?

While I agree talking about his claim isn't very productive untill more players have showed up, I'd rather talk about Marv than nothing.


...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy.

Vivax-

What are you doing here?

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:45 Vivax wrote:
Marv so silent.

Whassup marv.

That seems unusual.


Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 07:59 Vivax wrote:
Well ok. I reviewed things a little.

We have 2 guys saying their activity will be shit on D1 (marv and the new guy)

Then we have WoS say:
I'm not really going to be around until late tonight, so no

(as reply to "Hey you got anything to say?")

So yeah, kinda asshole answer. But also kinda careless. I'd treat it as null, and it's not really comparable to the announcement that the whole of D1 will be of low activity.

I also realized I partially parroted Rayn's reasons for stutter's posts looking bad. Apologies I'm a little drunk coz of my weekend feast and wrote pretty spontaneously. Going to bed now tho. See you sober.


Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious?

Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit.


is attacking people for totally meaningless stuff. Look @ the way he announces that he's about to call a bunch of people out. Like "Look @ me guys, I'm totally not afraid to go after anyone". He's really reaching if he thinks anything he mentioned is very scummy.


Yea, or I'm town and am attacking stuff that looks scummy. Let's hear your explanation on how I'm 'reaching.'
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 30 2013 05:16 GMT
#179
On June 30 2013 13:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh right Oats it was you who called him scum for not following up and whatnot.

Do you not remember how he played in Ego when he was town?
Or Carnival Cruise?

I don't see anything he has done so far as being scummy at all.

Solstice I'd put Lazermonkey as town right now, strong analysis right off the bat, gets discussion moving, not afraid to give concrete reads and throw his vote where he wants. It's also the way he does his analysis; he shows he's actively trying to figure out what marv is up to and while this could be fake I don't believe it is.


What about his analysis was strong? He spent all that time trying to dissect a miller claim when there were definitely more important things going on. I call it choosing the safe route.
ATOBTTR
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 30 2013 05:16 GMT
#180
On June 30 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Just scum hunt champ, try and look beyond what you think is scummy and we will all be better for it. Look at motivation instead of meta and you will find me much easier to read if that helps.

Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Wat.


Your at Lylo with me and strong player

He has looked town all game yet isn't dead

I've looked scummy all game and have been pushed by half the players in the game

Who do you vote for
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