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On June 30 2013 10:10 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact that there is a rolename for each possible miller. If you fakeclaim, you take a 50% chance of 1-1 trade as mafia, which is not good 5min into D1. First off, Marv did not claim his role name. Secondly, yes, of course there is a risk involved with claiming fake claiming miller and even if you don't claim the same same as someone else, there is a very high chance for it to be a scum among the two players claiming. But that is beside the point. Marv was willing to take a risk in the other game. Why is it completely and utterly impossible from your point of you for him to be scum in this game? Because the only real argument you've made this far is that it is risky. On June 30 2013 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make sense and marv is good as scum. Srsly, if you think he/me is scum tell us why, if you do not, question elsewhere. Convincing argument!
Marv is probably town yes, however he is not the modconfirmed 100% mega town guy you seem to think.
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I think I'll head to bed now actually! Cya tomorrow.
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Hi all.
Quick thoughts on what's gone on so far:
Stutters: I'd kinda like to hear a response to what Lazer's outlined above. So far I'm feeling a lot about you like I felt about Vayne in Roulette.
WoS: I'm completely null on him atm. I, as well, didn't actually read what he said. I assume if he's town, he'll show it through his play (at least, that's how I feel after my one game with him), when he actually starts playing. If I have to read his entire filter (which I assume will be a long one) through google translate I'll be... irritated.
Marv: Though I'd love to be able to sheep him freely, so far nothing all that alignment indicative, imo. Might be scum, might be miller. Another person whose play will probably reveal him. If he's town, he's not going to rely on his miller claim to get out of posting, so... I guess I'm just waiting for him to not be busy.
Actually, I'm kinda waiting for everyone to not be busy :S Everyone I have experience with is either busy or hasn't posted yet.
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I'm the most active person and you have no thoughts on me fuba?
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Leaning town due to an absence of anything particularly scummy, in addition to your apparent eagerness and activity, but I'm trying to be less lenient with my town reads than I have been in the past. I think what you've said about marv is reasonable for town to believe, even if it's not enough to convince me that he's as town as you think. And as I mentioned, your activity is much better than it was in your last game (as mafia), but you emphasized that that was due to your schedule, so I don't even know if that's alignment indicative.
(also, I didn't really include you in "those I have experience with", since it was a very short time XD)
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Oh and you give us 3 null reads... And nothing else.. Really?
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Yeah and my activity does not say anything about my alignment. If you want meta that "is correct", check out the last game i played.
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Dames bien et messieurs, je suis de retour.
A peu de choses avant de commencer:
Rayn, je ne suis pas d'écume, mais vous êtes un cutie de penser ainsi.
J'ai aimé vos pensées concernant Stutters mais je suis en désaccord que vous pouvez être sûr que Marv est une ville en ce moment.
I'll also stop talking in French because it'll probably annoy the hell out of people. :D
I'm kind of embarrassed that i had to use Google translate for it because my French should probably be better than it is after taking it in high school (and having family-in-law that is fluent) but whatevs.
WTF on iGrok though; why tell us if we're speaking Eye-talian to write in blue then yell at Vivax for writing in blue? (Also Vivax can you write in Italian/French legit? Like...without translate?)
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Yeah, that's about it at the moment. Nothing much has really gone on.
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Like....this I get.
On June 30 2013 06:49 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 30 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey WoS, you got anything to say? Je ne vais pas vraiment être autour jusqu'à tard ce soir, donc pas. French gives me headache and reminds me of my french teacher in sixth grade... ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This I don't.
On June 30 2013 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:29 Vivax wrote:
Rayn pretty much townie too.
Stutters's post that looks bad could be the "know something we don't?" thing. How is scum supposed to know anything about the amount of millers in the game? They can't roll them lol.
I don't see why WoS should be scum for writing in French though. See how Stutters deals with the miller thing. He is not taking any stance on what marv is. He is being really "all-around" with his answers and casting doubt on anything he can. Like you said, how the fuck would i know how many millers there are if i was mafia? WoS said "I'm not going to be around until late tonight, so i got nothing to say". Why would you post you got nothing to say if you are town, why not say something useful with that post instead?
That's enough for you to think I'm scummy Rayn?
Really?
Now under other circumstances I would think this constant questioning and opting to move town discussion forward is a very townie Rayn at work, however recent games have led me to believe this may not be the case. What would otherwise be a strong townread on Rayn is only slight at the moment, especially because it is very easy to have this kind of activity when there is really nothing to do/talk about, and half the thread hasn't shown up.
I'll look at Stutters/Vivax momentarily.
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Je suis un mouton.
That accusatory post by Stutters struck me for the same reasons it did Vivax, and to some extent Rayn. Their reasoning was a little bit different but I think mine resonates towards Vivax's reasoning that the inflammatory tone and 'loaded question' nature just doesn't seem very townlike so early into a game. I also don't quite understand his reasoning for not reading my post (takes just a little bit of extra effort to pop it into Google translate...especially since other people suggested it)---his French is rusty? He doesn't even need to know French; it reads like an excuse to call me null and not take a stance.
Until the rest of the thread shows up or something scummier happens, (or maybe if Stutters explains himself a little/talks some more?)
##Vote: Stutters695
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lol WoS, explain how my/Vivax reasoning for Stutters being scum differ from each other?
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There's a difference between blue and dark blue
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WoS, is fuba town or scum, why?
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##Unvote;
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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There is a serious contradiction in WoS' behaviour. Whoever can see that gains many townie points.
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On June 30 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm the most active person and you have no thoughts on me fuba?
Ill give thoughts on you  . To start I'd like to note that your mutalisk portrait is the perfect image to sum up your role in this thread XD ( busy bee, flapping its wings faster than a humming birds heart beat). Gar, off topic, to the point I kinda dislike this right here
"It doesn't make sense and marv is good as scum. Srsly, if you think he/me is scum tell us why, if you do not, question elsewhere."
You make it sound like here that whatever you or marv are you are together. You also present it in a sort of "you wanna get to marv? You gotta go through me." Only I dont find Marv suspicious because your right, regardless of wifom and past mafia history it is objectively a bad move to fake claim miller, (also its important to note that in NMM 1V there were no clues or role tells whatsoever, which means it was probably a much stronger bet for Marv to fake claim, stronger than here at least).
You on the other hand have only done three things with all your activity, aligned yourself with a near guaranteed townie, which I find to be a neutral bid to be honest, cast doubt on someone at odds with your goat (sorry marv, I know you dont eat grass or produce foul tasting milk ) : ) then solidify the towns growing confidence in you by recognizing the damage already done to stutter and convincing everyone to back off and move on even though his supposed guilt has already been seeded.
To summarize, I think YOUR the one getting the better deal out of your pairing with Marv, you get to be right on a point of obvious nature and significant value and worst case scenario marv is more likely to take the heat before you. You also get to throw stones at the hodor across the river( sorry stutter) whose silliness I don't personally feel is indicative of his alignment( suggesting two millers feels like an objectively bad move rather than an alignment based one). Though his follow up comments were either channeling Kenpachi or were dripping a bit of scum juice, and his not having posted in a while after screwing himself reminds me of when I fuucked up ages ago and stuck to the mafia channel until the heat fell off me (Wifoooooooom).
I still don't think your one hundred percent mega scum just as I don't think Marv is 100 percent awesome town, anythings possible after all, Marv himself has gone to great lengths to prove that, but if we lynch stutter tonight, and he flips town I would definitely suspect you before Marv. Any one have any questions for me before I go to sleep?
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On June 30 2013 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a serious contradiction in WoS' behaviour. Whoever can see that gains many townie points.
Hmm, He agrees several times that his talking in French is annoying then claims stutters could just go through translate. This aludes to his using french as a calculated tool that can be used as a sort of joke tool with his allies and a means of discrediting those he is attempting to throw doubt on? Also he claims stutters is likely scum but isn't sure marv is town, so just some general flip flopping there but doesn't seem that bad. Thas all I got.
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On June 30 2013 12:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote rayn
Your reasoning might I ask?
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