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On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post?
Also what do you think about WoS' posts?
I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd.
WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages.
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Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view.
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Hi guys.
What we know is that marv must come back guilty in any case.
We don't know if he's town or not.
Hence, why so trustful, Rayn?
In my own experience as scum I hardly attack such claims cause they seem so strong if a townie makes them.
Bist du Nazi-Abschaum, Junge?
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Vivax i'll answer you in a bit, just tell me this before i answer. Do you think there might be 2 millers in the game?
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It's possible I guess. I don't think it's worth speculating about until another miller claims.
Lazermonkey's vote on WoS gives me a townie feeling. Any differing opinions? Do you agree?Yes? Why?
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Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?
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On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post?
Also what do you think about WoS' posts? I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd. WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages. http://translate.google.com/
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On June 30 2013 06:35 Lazermonkey wrote:
Can there be more than one of every role, i.e. two players being Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz?
no
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On June 30 2013 07:13 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post?
Also what do you think about WoS' posts? I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd. WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages. http://translate.google.com/
J'aurais suggéré la même chose, merci Lazermonkey.
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On June 30 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?
I think it was Just another mini normal mafia or Normal mini mafia II, he got replaced by yamato.
Is this a relevant question in your opinion?
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On June 30 2013 07:12 Vivax wrote:
It's possible I guess. I don't think it's worth speculating about until another miller claims.
Lazermonkey's vote on WoS gives me a townie feeling. Any differing opinions? Do you agree?Yes? Why?
This is how i see it:
marv claimed before iGrok announced the cop is in fact a parity cop. In case the cop was normal and as there is no GF, it's fair that there is one miller. Two millers make the game insanely hard for a cop, and with two miller claims town might run in circles finding which of the millers is "mafia". As for parity cop, having two millers ease up the game much. If the parity cop is stupid enough to not check marv on N1, they still can check the other miller claim on N2 (as if marv is town he will die on N1) and use that to confirm his earlier and future checks.
If there is no cop there is no point in having millers. One might be okay in the sense that it fucks with the town, but not too much. Two millers and no cop is basically impossible.
marv would not claim miller in either scenario because there is no need to.
So that's why i think marv is town and there is exactly 1 miller.
I agree that Lazer is probably town. His opening post was careless and i don't think he would have done that as scum. His vote on WoS is good as WoS is probably scum. :D
What do you think about Stutters? Mainly his posts about the miller thing. They are really really bad.
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I'm going to tell soon, i just want to know what Vivax thinks about them first.
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Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup.
First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers.
And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town.
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On June 30 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller? I think it was Just another mini normal mafia or Normal mini mafia II, he got replaced by yamato. Is this a relevant question in your opinion? Somewhat. I got interested when Ray said that Marv wouldn't fake claim miller in the first 5 minutes of the game, and wanted to compare this claim to the other.
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Rayn pretty much townie too.
Stutters's post that looks bad could be the "know something we don't?" thing. How is scum supposed to know anything about the amount of millers in the game? They can't roll them lol.
I don't see why WoS should be scum for writing in French though.
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I don't even care what the other game was like. I don't know if it payed off or not and i don't really care, because in this setup fakeclaiming miller is dumb.
If someone wants to claim miller be sure to include your role name to the post where you claim, so we can have 50% chance of getting you lynched on D1 if you are mafia. :D
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On June 30 2013 07:29 Vivax wrote:
Rayn pretty much townie too.
Stutters's post that looks bad could be the "know something we don't?" thing. How is scum supposed to know anything about the amount of millers in the game? They can't roll them lol.
I don't see why WoS should be scum for writing in French though.
See how Stutters deals with the miller thing. He is not taking any stance on what marv is. He is being really "all-around" with his answers and casting doubt on anything he can. Like you said, how the fuck would i know how many millers there are if i was mafia?
WoS said "I'm not going to be around until late tonight, so i got nothing to say". Why would you post you got nothing to say if you are town, why not say something useful with that post instead?
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Also if you are town, why would you not google translate WoS' posts?
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Addendum to the stutters thing: Looks like a loaded question scum likes to ask earlygame. I don't really see how one would suspect Rayn to be scum for having "extra info" about miller when scum doesn't get any extra info in that regard either. Doesn't seem like the approach a townie would take in that case even if he genuinely believed that.
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