Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 133

On July 10 2013 00:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Actually, one thing that struck me also is how bad an argument like "you are not thinking from the X PoV right now, therefore you are scum" really is. It was stuff like that which almost killed both me and Rayn on D1 and I even fell for it myself during D2 when I thought WoS was scum just because he played the "wrong" way. Even with the same role, some people just plays a different way than you, and just because they do, its not a scum tell at all.

On July 09 2013 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
WoS played just fine and deserved to win. So did you Lazer. So did Oats until he disappeared. gumshoe was great on day 2, and it was my own fault/lack of confidence that meant I never pushed s0l properly day 3 even though I was surer of him. I knew something wrong when s0lstice pseudo-defended JarJar on that day, that was never what a scum does to another scum under huge pressure... that was a huge mistake from me to pick it up and then not process the obvious implications. Vivax went for a game-long throw, Stutters managed to mimic his townplay pretty well.

On July 10 2013 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
I was really, really stoned all weekend. I hadn't appreciated how much that would impair my ability to read and do things.

On July 10 2013 00:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is a very interesting point---I get suspected a lot I think in part because I don't think the way people expect me to think I guess? (It often works in my favour because I don't get lynched or NKed)
A lot of people however (including me at times) do their scumhunting by trying to think from a scum or town POV. How can you really avoid falling into the trap of thinking people are scum just because they don't act the way you expect them to?

On July 10 2013 00:21 s0Lstice wrote:


Do you think I'd have been better off joining the jar jar wagon? I thought for sure if I did that town would get off jar jar as we would then pretty much all be agreeing on him.

On July 07 2013 16:14 s0Lstice wrote:
So here's where I'm at. I didn't have time to get to WoS tonight, but I re-read JJD and Stutters.

There's a few things about JJD that make me nervous about this lynch.

First, day 1 there is a Rayn lynch wagon. A JJD wagon forms counter to it, and here is what JJD says:



Vivax and Oats are calling for Rayn's head, and at this point there is a possibility that Rayn is lynched. I think it would be odd for JJ to not go in here. More, he called Rayn scum earlier, so the groundwork was already laid for him to get on the Rayn wagon. Instead, he recognizes some pretty townie posting by Rayn, and backs off, despite it possibly meaning his own head.

There have been flashes of real clairvoyant and solid analysis like this:



The scummiest looking thing about him imo is his actions around the day 1 lynch, and it's so on the nose scummy looking that I'm left getting townie vibes off it, as weird as that sounds. What kind of scum drops an explanationless (and I mean totally explanationless) vote on a counter wagon to a now confirmed scum? It's so suicidally stupid and careless; I think it's unlikely that a scum JJ does this.

Also he is currently not playing to his scum meta. You can refer back to that case I wrote on him, the games are in there. I wouldn't call him tunnely this game.

What do you guys think of this stuff?

On July 10 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote:


It's not a 'trap', because it's a legitimate way to find mafia. You just have to qualify it with "would *this person* think like this".

Pretty decent example was you claiming a shot on me. My assessment was that WoS wouldn't do that as town, and that was correct.

On July 10 2013 00:27 Lazermonkey wrote:
But then you would really need to know said persons play if you are ever going to pull an argument like that off, otherwise it feels like it would be WIFOM really. Over half of the players that was on me for "not thinking the correct way" was players I had never played with before...

On July 10 2013 00:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
lets just hope you guys stop trying to use that on me when I will never play the same way twice.

On July 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:


Out of curiosity, how might you say you'd have played differently on day 1 this game if you were mafia?

On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.

With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.

Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.

As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip.

On July 10 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:




this post tells you im town, 100%

I wouldn't give a shit if i was scum

think of it this way, why would I care about massclaim if I was scum? I dont have to solve the game, so it doesnt ruin my fun at all.

it COMPLETELY ruins the fun of the game as town.

On July 10 2013 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

Haha you SAY you wouldn't give a shit, but remember we weren't given any fakeclaims at that point.

I'm starting to see what you're saying about how you play differently every time, but wouldn't you say that's part of the reason people have trouble reading you as town?

On July 02 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it

On July 10 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote:


I don't see any fun in being grush.

if the massclaim thing happened I would just CC a role and be done with it, I could care less about losing to abusing a game mechanic. I only care if people legitimately find me as scum through scumhunting, then I need to improve my play.

also my last post before I died..



WHY DID I HAVE TO GET LYNCHED