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United Kingdom36161 Posts
It was a typical day 1 lynch, no better or worse than any other townie lynch on day 1 really.
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On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance: Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him. Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts. Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this: Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.
I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case? Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus. Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens? Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2. Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.
LOL looking back over my posting.
I had you guys nailed haha
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On July 10 2013 00:49 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 10 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:On July 10 2013 00:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
lets just hope you guys stop trying to use that on me when I will never play the same way twice. Out of curiosity, how might you say you'd have played differently on day 1 this game if you were mafia? On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.
With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.
Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.
As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip. this post tells you im town, 100% I wouldn't give a shit if i was scum think of it this way, why would I care about massclaim if I was scum? I dont have to solve the game, so it doesnt ruin my fun at all. it COMPLETELY ruins the fun of the game as town. Haha you SAY you wouldn't give a shit, but remember we weren't given any fakeclaims at that point. I'm starting to see what you're saying about how you play differently every time, but wouldn't you say that's part of the reason people have trouble reading you as town? I don't see any fun in being grush. if the massclaim thing happened I would just CC a role and be done with it, I could care less about losing to abusing a game mechanic. I only care if people legitimately find me as scum through scumhunting, then I need to improve my play. also my last post before I died.. On July 02 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it WHY DID I HAVE TO GET LYNCHED Your reads were quite good actually but having good reads is just half the game, you have to convince other that your reads are correct as well. And you don't do that by going AFK 2 hours before lynch without saying anything about why you are going AFK or when you are comming back. I'm sorry, but I think you know quite well why you got lynched.
I left the thread being in absolutely zero danger of being lynched to go get groceries, should I tell you guys when im taking a shit too? the fact that you guys decided I was scum in about 1 hour when you have 48 should tell you why town lost this game
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That's happened to me in at least 3 games I've played this year. People do shit like that and think its good play tho. *shrug*
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On July 10 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:49 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 10 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 10 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:On July 10 2013 00:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
lets just hope you guys stop trying to use that on me when I will never play the same way twice. Out of curiosity, how might you say you'd have played differently on day 1 this game if you were mafia? On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.
With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.
Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.
As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip. this post tells you im town, 100% I wouldn't give a shit if i was scum think of it this way, why would I care about massclaim if I was scum? I dont have to solve the game, so it doesnt ruin my fun at all. it COMPLETELY ruins the fun of the game as town. Haha you SAY you wouldn't give a shit, but remember we weren't given any fakeclaims at that point. I'm starting to see what you're saying about how you play differently every time, but wouldn't you say that's part of the reason people have trouble reading you as town? I don't see any fun in being grush. if the massclaim thing happened I would just CC a role and be done with it, I could care less about losing to abusing a game mechanic. I only care if people legitimately find me as scum through scumhunting, then I need to improve my play. also my last post before I died.. On July 02 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it WHY DID I HAVE TO GET LYNCHED Your reads were quite good actually but having good reads is just half the game, you have to convince other that your reads are correct as well. And you don't do that by going AFK 2 hours before lynch without saying anything about why you are going AFK or when you are comming back. I'm sorry, but I think you know quite well why you got lynched. I left the thread being in absolutely zero danger of being lynched to go get groceries, should I tell you guys when im taking a shit too? the fact that you guys decided I was scum in about 1 hour when you have 48 should tell you why town lost this game If you need to shit for two hours, 2 hours before lynch, then yes you probably should tell us.
And don't pretend that you going away was the only reason you got lynched, because that isn't true and you know it...
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Doesn't matter why Vayne got lynched in the end, that was a pretty irrelevant thing in the way the game went down overall.
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OH LOL I FORGOT TO MENTION
I knew Stutters was scum (but forgot again) later on in the game because he volunteered to be scum coach in BH's newbie game and I knew he hadn't played a scumgame yet. Wouldn't make sense, lol.
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Hey igrok, you still owe me a full apology.
I even sent you a suitable one, don't even have to write it yourself.
just post it bro.
don't be shy.
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tho you might want to put it into past tense now the game is over.
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On July 01 2013 08:54 iGrok wrote:Do not post in this thread.
If you have an issue we can take it up postgame.
Yes, I have an issue.
So about that apology...
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On July 09 2013 09:58 iGrok wrote:
Also stutters, what the fuck on that s0lstice vote man. balls of titanium. Vivax votes, s0l dies right there.
Just saw this. I had no choice really. If I'm not there in a situation where the timing of the votes are everything I might as well claim scum. My vote was entirely irrelevant because regardless of if I'm not voting/voting s0l if Vivax votes before WoS s0l is dead. Yes there is that slight window where vivax could vote after WoS but before I get my vote in but I was pretty confident I could convince gumshoe to lynch oats off of that line of reasoning based on him leaving me out of all of his scum team speculation I felt he had a pretty strong town read on me. I tried to be conservative with any game winning plays because I felt pretty confident in us winning a straight up game as well.
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On July 10 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
OH LOL I FORGOT TO MENTION
I knew Stutters was scum (but forgot again) later on in the game because he volunteered to be scum coach in BH's newbie game and I knew he hadn't played a scumgame yet. Wouldn't make sense, lol.
Lol I actually didn't volunteer for scum, he put me in it originally.
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Hmm, I dunno Marv.
I think town me would have defended Vayne as well on day 1.
I still think the scummiest thing I did was totally forget to mention Oats in this post:
On July 07 2013 13:23 s0Lstice wrote:
What's good about this is I'm in the unique position of not having to consider my own alignment when looking for the last two scum.
I feel pretty darn good about Marv being town. Vivax and gumshoe look really town too. The only way Vivax is scum is if the missing NK was intentional, and I think that's horribly unlikely. Gumshoe did all the heavy lifting in the WoS vs. fuba lynch. If either of them are scum, then gg you earned the win.
This leaves Stutters, JJD, and WoS.
This is where I'm looking.
There is no way I forget a player here as town.
Other than that, I just started to run out of room because other people were town telling hardcore. I don't really think I did anything objectively scummy (other than the above quote), I just looked less assuredly town than a lot of people. Maybe this is the definition of being scummy though 
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You are getting no apology. You would have if you hadn't sent me a 4 (or 5?) paragraph egotistical pile of crap and demanded that I post it.
My priority is the game and the players, not my cohost's feelings.
Before you turn this thread into a drama shitshow, please send Foolishness your side of the story. I've already done so. An outside perspective is the best way to settle this without creating a bunch of drama for TL Mafia.
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On July 10 2013 01:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 09:58 iGrok wrote:
Also stutters, what the fuck on that s0lstice vote man. balls of titanium. Vivax votes, s0l dies right there. Just saw this. I had no choice really. If I'm not there in a situation where the timing of the votes are everything I might as well claim scum. My vote was entirely irrelevant because regardless of if I'm not voting/voting s0l if Vivax votes before WoS s0l is dead. Yes there is that slight window where vivax could vote after WoS but before I get my vote in but I was pretty confident I could convince gumshoe to lynch oats off of that line of reasoning based on him leaving me out of all of his scum team speculation I felt he had a pretty strong town read on me. I tried to be conservative with any game winning plays because I felt pretty confident in us winning a straight up game as well.
This is circular logic. If Vivax hasn't voted yet, then you don't need to vote because a townie is also not there at deadline. Still, it worked. GJ
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How so?
You admitted you owe me an apology.
As I've said with my prewritten one, you may write your own one if you don't like mine.
I considered it only fair though, considering you openly blamed me for everything and the holocaust in the thread.
Didn't have a problem with doing that, huh?
On July 10 2013 04:45 iGrok wrote:
You would have if you hadn't sent me a 4 (or 5?) paragraph egotistical pile of crap and demanded that I post it.
Bullshit.
You've been looking for ways to get out of apologizing all the way, including, but not limited to, "kitaman has faked conversations as scum before so you totally could do that too!"
It's quite clear you are a narcissistic dickhead that cares about nothing but your own opinion of yourself, and are unwilling to owe up to your own mistakes.
Even if you had been correct in all the bullcrap you made up about me, posting it in the thread without even trying to contact me about it already shows that you are basically a gigantic penis hopping around on a pogo stick.
I have no problem with this being public, because I know I'm in the right, honeydew.
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Stop posting in this thread. This is your final warning.
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JUSTICE WILL NOT BE SILENCED BY THE LIKES OF YOU
So what happened in grueling detail:
after writing this epiphany of literature:
On July 01 2013 08:38 iGrok wrote:
So here's what happened.
My cohost, Dandel Ion, was instructed to send out role pms by copying the character's IMDB biography. Instead, I've found out that some were written in German, some were written as jokes, and other such things. As a result, some people still don't have a proper role pm, there was confusion about roles, and I am very, very pissed off.
After consulting with some other hosts, the consensus is to simply restart the game with random roles. But I know you guys have already invested some time into this game, so I am hesitant to do that. Therefore, I'm putting it up to a vote. You may vote either here or via PM to me, with either "##Restart" or "##Continue". As soon as I have a majority opinion either way, we will proceed.
I'm very sorry to all of you guys. If there is anyone who still is confused about their role, I've updated the OP with a spoiler that explains each role. If you are unsure as to who you are, PM me with that also.
Dandel Ion is no longer cohosting this game.
I had to go ask grockelboy what the fuck he's going on about because I did the role PMs exactly as he told me to do them.
On my inquiry wtf he's smoking he answered
Original Message From iGrok:
Some players were confused about their role PMs, I had them forward them to me.
Did you send any role PMs in german, or with jokes in them?
So after basically saying "lol no" I decided to just copy-paste every single role PM I've written and sent to people and forwarded those to him for judgement (they're in the spoiler of this message)
Thus the response was this (note the bolded part):
Original Message From iGrok: From questions I was getting from players, improper role pms appeared to be a lot more widespread than the messages below indicate. If those are really the role PMs you sent, which I would believe undoubtedly except that I've seen Kitaman's ability to fake an entire conversation in such a short time period, then I owe you an apology. I need to think about this and ask a few more questions, and I'll get back to you. Show nested quote +Original Message From Dandel Ion: In fact, here, have all of them and point out the problems with them. You are Hans Landa! "A cunning, sly, sadistic, charming, and evil character. His deeds done for the Nazi forces have earned him the title of "The Jew Hunter," which he gleefully states he earned (albeit unofficially). He'll slaughter and kill anything that he feels gets in his way, and will enjoy the act of doing it. He believes his work is that of a "detective" as he searches for homes that may be hiding runaway Jews. He is so evil, in fact, he would gladly let Germany fall so he would get any benefit out of it. He is also seemingly very educated, as he can speak German, English, French, and Italian very clearly." You are a survivor! You are also a jailkeeper because why not. Your goal is to survive. You are Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz "As a German enlisted man, he managed to kill thirteen Gestapo officers; mostly Majors. Instead of putting him against a wall and killing him, the High Command decided to send him back to Berlin; however, once The Basterds heard of his exploits and skill at murdering German officers, they staged a rescue mission and officially recruited him." You are played by the worst actor of the whole movie. That aside, you don't have any powers, but you are German, thus returning German to all alignment checks. You are Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki " A Basterd who goes undercover as a German solider along with Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz, Bridget Von Hammersmark, and her ally Lt. Archie Hicox. He is a perfect marksman and is not afraid to shoot to kill any Nazi that gets in his way. Born in Austria, he left for America when the rumors of the Nazi invasion surfaced, and joined the Basterds to take revenge on the people who killed his family and destroyed his homeland." You a Parity Cop. Each night you may send in a name. n1 you will be returned nothing, every consecutive night you will be told if the name after has the same or a different alignment than the previous one. You are Pfc. Smithson Utivich "A Basterd nicknamed "The Little Man" even though he wasn't even aware of his nickname. He is a bit of a wise-ass and will follow anything Lt. Aldo Raine asks him to do. " You a Vanilla Townie. You are Pfc. Hirschberg "A trigger-happy Basterd, he is all too eager to kill any Nazi he meets, even before Lt. Aldo Raine has a chance to torture them for information." You a Vanilla Townie. You are Pfc. Andy Kagan "A Basterd that helps in the breakout of Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz." You a Vanilla Townie. You are Pfc. Michael Zimmermann "A Basterd who helps bring Bridget Von Hammersmark to saftey after she is shot in the tavern." You a Vanilla Townie. You are Paul Joseph Goebbels!
That was Hitler's propaganda minister and the bio is too long, so if you want to see it check wikipedia.
You a Nazi.
You are a Goon.
Scum QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPF
You are Martin Bormann!
Reichsminister and Chancellor of the NSDAP.
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A Nazi in short.
You are a Goon.
Scum QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPF
You are Hermann Göhring!
Leader of the glorious Luftwaffe and Reichsmarschall.
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tl;dr: A Nazi.
You are a Goon.
Scum QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPF
You are Shosanna, the Vengeful Townie!
"A young French-Jewish woman who loses her family at the hands of Col. Landa. Three years later, under the assumed name Emmanuelle Mimieux, she is the owner of Le Gamaar, an old cinema she claims to have inherited from her family (Ada Mimieux, the previous owner, appeared in a scene eventually cut from the film). She has a deep loathing for the Nazis, and plots the death and downfall of the Nazi high command when she unwittingly catches the eye of a German soldier, who convinces Goebbels to move the gala premiere of his newest film to her theatre."
You are a Vengeful. When/If you get lynched, you can PM the hosts the name of a person you want to see dead, and that person receives 1 KP.
Heres the response to Vivax because he didn't get it right away and pm'd me 10 mins after start
stimmt
hab tab anscheinend ohne senden geschlossen
Lt. Aldo Raine, the Veteran
Original Message From Vivax:
Hab keine
was bin ich denn?
TL;DR: "I fucked up BUT I DONT WANT TO ADMIT IT, QUICK DEFLECT BY TALKING ABOUT KITA FAKING ROLE PMS! GENIUS STRATEGY!!!!!"
The next strand of conversation, for completeing's sake:
Original Message From iGrok: I looked on skype and didn't see you online, and now it looks like I'm not even on your contact list, thats why I didn't contact you. 50 minutes is more than enough time to write 13 normal PMs, I know because I've written 20 pms for me and GreY's games in less than an hour. I guess you don't get the kita reference, but basically in one game he wrote up an entire fake QT with timestamps on short notice. [b]Like I said, if it turns out that those are the PMs you sent, I'll owe you a full apology, but for now the game will continue on. Show nested quote +Original Message From Dandel Ion: I can fucking screenshot my sent box and every single PM and you can ask every fucking player to do the same. This is what I sent and if you now want to excuse it with "kita has faked conversations before" I don't even know what to say to you. I wrote the PMs int he 50(!) minutes to gave me to do that shit and it took me all of those 50 minutes. Small imperfections are in there sure (like me missing vivax on the first go) but with that amount of time what do you fucking want. BTW, nice that you talked to "other hosts" about it but didn't mention a single fucking word to me, cause i could have done this copy-pasting part way earlier too y'know. Way to go. Original Message From iGrok: From questions I was getting from players, improper role pms appeared to be a lot more widespread than the messages below indicate. If those are really the role PMs you sent, which I would believe undoubtedly except that I've seen Kitaman's ability to fake an entire conversation in such a short time period, then I owe you an apology. I need to think about this and ask a few more questions, and I'll get back to you. Original Message From Dandel Ion: In fact, here, have all of them and point out the problems with them. You are Hans Landa! "A cunning, sly, sadistic, charming, and evil character. His deeds done for the Nazi forces have earned him the title of "The Jew Hunter," which he gleefully states he earned (albeit unofficially). He'll slaughter and kill anything that he feels gets in his way, and will enjoy the act of doing it. He believes his work is that of a "detective" as he searches for homes that may be hiding runaway Jews. He is so evil, in fact, he would gladly let Germany fall so he would get any benefit out of it. He is also seemingly very educated, as he can speak German, English, French, and Italian very clearly." You are a survivor! You are also a jailkeeper because why not. Your goal is to survive. You are Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz "As a German enlisted man, he managed to kill thirteen Gestapo officers; mostly Majors. Instead of putting him against a wall and killing him, the High Command decided to send him back to Berlin; however, once The Basterds heard of his exploits and skill at murdering German officers, they staged a rescue mission and officially recruited him." You are played by the worst actor of the whole movie. That aside, you don't have any powers, but you are German, thus returning German to all alignment checks. You are Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki " A Basterd who goes undercover as a German solider along with Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz, Bridget Von Hammersmark, and her ally Lt. Archie Hicox. He is a perfect marksman and is not afraid to shoot to kill any Nazi that gets in his way. Born in Austria, he left for America when the rumors of the Nazi invasion surfaced, and joined the Basterds to take revenge on the people who killed his family and destroyed his homeland." You a Parity Cop. Each night you may send in a name. n1 you will be returned nothing, every consecutive night you will be told if the name after has the same or a different alignment than the previous one. You are Pfc. Smithson Utivich "A Basterd nicknamed "The Little Man" even though he wasn't even aware of his nickname. He is a bit of a wise-ass and will follow anything Lt. Aldo Raine asks him to do. " You a Vanilla Townie. You are Pfc. Hirschberg "A trigger-happy Basterd, he is all too eager to kill any Nazi he meets, even before Lt. Aldo Raine has a chance to torture them for information." You a Vanilla Townie. You are Pfc. Andy Kagan "A Basterd that helps in the breakout of Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz." You a Vanilla Townie. You are Pfc. Michael Zimmermann "A Basterd who helps bring Bridget Von Hammersmark to saftey after she is shot in the tavern." You a Vanilla Townie. You are [b]Paul Joseph Goebbels! That was Hitler's propaganda minister and the bio is too long, so if you want to see it check wikipedia. You a Nazi. You are a Goon. Scum QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPFYou are Martin Bormann! Reichsminister and Chancellor of the NSDAP. ... A Nazi in short. You are a Goon. Scum QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPFYou are [b]Hermann Göhring! Leader of the glorious Luftwaffe and Reichsmarschall. ... tl;dr: A Nazi. You are a Goon. Scum QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPFYou are Shosanna, the Vengeful Townie! "A young French-Jewish woman who loses her family at the hands of Col. Landa. Three years later, under the assumed name Emmanuelle Mimieux, she is the owner of Le Gamaar, an old cinema she claims to have inherited from her family (Ada Mimieux, the previous owner, appeared in a scene eventually cut from the film). She has a deep loathing for the Nazis, and plots the death and downfall of the Nazi high command when she unwittingly catches the eye of a German soldier, who convinces Goebbels to move the gala premiere of his newest film to her theatre." You are a Vengeful. When/If you get lynched, you can PM the hosts the name of a person you want to see dead, and that person receives 1 KP. Heres the response to Vivax because he didn't get it right away and pm'd me 10 mins after start stimmt hab tab anscheinend ohne senden geschlossen Lt. Aldo Raine, the Veteran Original Message From Vivax: Hab keine was bin ich denn?
Still waiting on that one
Also, for the record, I deleted grockelboy from skype AFTER the stunt he pulled, but it's not like he could have, y'know, PM'd me on TL or anything.
Considering he had time to contact "other hosts" about this, I don't see a reason for him not to.
Btw this is the apology i've suggested in PM:
This day, I have made a grave mistake.
I have made untrue assumptions and emotionally overreacted badly.
Dandel Ion is not at fault at all. In fact, he is probably the best cohost in the world and his contributions to this game will be missed greatly.
Instead of clearing up the situation with him first, I jumped to conclusions that turned out to be wrong, which shames me greatly. Even if they were to be correct, it was no way to resolve the situation properly and I have learned my lesson.
I would like to apologize to Dandel Ion for my behavior, and this incident has humbled me greatly and I vow to be a better person in the future.
Dunno what the problem with it is, considering the already mentioned post where he publicly shit on me for no reason.
So yeah that's what happened.
I'm curious about all the "outside perspectives" about this too!
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#fuckthepolice
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I'd like to make it clear that my abilities to carry out a fake conversation with myself are far superior than those of Dandel.
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