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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 09 2013 12:48 GMT
#2621
On July 09 2013 18:18 marvellosity wrote:
why did the game end? didn't town have 3 votes on s0lstice first?

edit: Vivax fucked it up by not voting, or?

I was the third vote. Vivax hadn't voted for God knows why so once WoS did I switched.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 09 2013 14:15 GMT
#2622
On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG wp scum.

What do you guys think of my play?

I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well.

WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup..

1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched.
2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched.

If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter-


I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l.

His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 14:27 GMT
#2623
Just dropping in to warn people to never cohost for igrok ever.

Seriously, just don't.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 09 2013 14:30 GMT
#2624
On July 09 2013 23:15 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG wp scum.

What do you guys think of my play?

I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well.

WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup..

1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched.
2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched.

If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter-


I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l.

His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up.
Well, I almost can get this if you are in a really really tough situation as scum because a survivor is essentially aligned with the team that is doing best at the moment. But at point where it is somewhat equal or if scum is ahead (all this game, for example) I'd say its madness to be aiming on the survivor.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2013 14:35 GMT
#2625
WoS played just fine and deserved to win. So did you Lazer. So did Oats until he disappeared. gumshoe was great on day 2, and it was my own fault/lack of confidence that meant I never pushed s0l properly day 3 even though I was surer of him. I knew something wrong when s0lstice pseudo-defended JarJar on that day, that was never what a scum does to another scum under huge pressure... that was a huge mistake from me to pick it up and then not process the obvious implications. Vivax went for a game-long throw, Stutters managed to mimic his townplay pretty well.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 09 2013 14:38 GMT
#2626
Vivax went full Vivax.
Gumshoe played great.
Marv, is game inbalanced?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2013 14:40 GMT
#2627
The balance of the game doesn't matter, it's not so far off that I would want to complain about it. Town had s0lstice as a sitting duck on day 3 and collectively we fucked it up.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 09 2013 14:41 GMT
#2628
On July 09 2013 23:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 23:15 Stutters695 wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG wp scum.

What do you guys think of my play?

I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well.

WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup..

1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched.
2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched.

If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter-


I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l.

His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up.
Well, I almost can get this if you are in a really really tough situation as scum because a survivor is essentially aligned with the team that is doing best at the moment. But at point where it is somewhat equal or if scum is ahead (all this game, for example) I'd say its madness to be aiming on the survivor.

JK is town-oriented role, especially with factional KP (so I couldn't even RB scum shot). My thinking was (and Stutters confirmed it) if I play solely for town, under normal cicrumstances it would have been fine, but I was a JK. If a 3P JK is helping town you treat him as town JK and kill him.

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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
July 09 2013 14:52 GMT
#2629
I don't get what this story of throwing the game is.
It wasn't instant majority lynch. There was a countdown in the daypost.

No way I could convince WoS of being scum.
I told Oats that he really improved his D1 play when he said that he (undefined) should have claimed scum earlier.

Best thing would have been if two townies fakeclaimed scum, Oats had the chance.
How did my vote matter, it was all about convincing WoS on who was scum and persuade him to join them.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 09 2013 14:53 GMT
#2630
On July 09 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote:
I don't get what this story of throwing the game is.
It wasn't instant majority lynch. There was a countdown in the daypost.

No way I could convince WoS of being scum.
I told Oats that he really improved his D1 play when he said that he (undefined) should have claimed scum earlier.

Best thing would have been if two townies fakeclaimed scum, Oats had the chance.
How did my vote matter, it was all about convincing WoS on who was scum and persuade him to join them.


Not an 100% victory cuz they still had to find scum, but if you just voted when you first came into the thread for s0lstice then he would have reached 3 votes first and would have been lynched.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 09 2013 14:54 GMT
#2631
Game Specific Rules:
No PMs unless your role allows you to.
You MAY post your complete role PM. No other mod pms may be posted.
Voting is mandatory and will be done in a separate thread.
Lynch is first player to the highest number of votes at the end of the day (normal TL lynch)
48/24 Time cycle, deadline 18:00 EDT (-04:00)
There will be one warning for misbehavior, followed by forced replacement or modkill.
I come in for the scraps
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
July 09 2013 14:54 GMT
#2632
On July 09 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote:
I don't get what this story of throwing the game is.
It wasn't instant majority lynch. There was a countdown in the daypost.

No way I could convince WoS of being scum.
I told Oats that he really improved his D1 play when he said that he (undefined) should have claimed scum earlier.

Best thing would have been if two townies fakeclaimed scum, Oats had the chance.
How did my vote matter, it was all about convincing WoS on who was scum and persuade him to join them.


Not an 100% victory cuz they still had to find scum, but if you just voted when you first came into the thread for s0lstice then he would have reached 3 votes first and would have been lynched.


And where did iGrok change the voting mode to instant majority???

It was plurality all the way.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 14:56:23
July 09 2013 14:55 GMT
#2633
i just quoted the rules^ first player to highest number of votes

not that I really care, it's not like we deserved to win
I come in for the scraps
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
July 09 2013 14:56 GMT
#2634
..at the end of the day
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 09 2013 14:58 GMT
#2635
dude its plurality. First to 3 votes gets lynched.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 09 2013 14:59 GMT
#2636
assuming there was a tie at the end of the day. which there wouldve been.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2013 15:02 GMT
#2637
It was all about getting all 3 townies on s0lstice before the votes were on Vivax. And you were here Vivax to make that happen. But no.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
July 09 2013 15:04 GMT
#2638
Oh right the tiebreaker.
Welp sorry, didn't spend enough time thinking about the game properly since Lazer's death pretty much.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2013 15:05 GMT
#2639
Vivax I know you have it in for me and that's fine, but you have to find a way to listen to basic logic and reading the game if I'm in a game with you :/ I was obviously really townie after day 2, the fact you were pushing me after that was mindblowing.

You're not bad at all if you're thinking, but for whatever reason you just decided to stop thinking
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
July 09 2013 15:10 GMT
#2640
On July 10 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax I know you have it in for me and that's fine, but you have to find a way to listen to basic logic and reading the game if I'm in a game with you :/ I was obviously really townie after day 2, the fact you were pushing me after that was mindblowing.

You're not bad at all if you're thinking, but for whatever reason you just decided to stop thinking


Yeah I stopped thinking about the game after Lazer's death. I was rather sure you weren't scum afterwards but only pushed you for funzies even after I mentioned a reason for why you're unlikely scum.
I pretty much started playing like an asshole. I don't want to apologize for that cause it was a choice I made but I apologize for the plurality mistake cause it was really stupid.
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