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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
We needed to kill lazer though. With no rb he was free to check. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Checked jar jar...just about as bad | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Here's the scum one http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPF | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On July 09 2013 09:37 Stutters695 wrote: Any chance I can get the obs qt? Here's the scum one http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPF http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/iMgrfcg757B | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I am aware you guys were sorta trying to get the heat off but I just didn't feel safe about it. (lol and then I forgot about it 'cause I didn't know who was scum alter in the game haha) One of us would have looked like shit in the end anyway for trying to push an outside lynch when we were both last to claim (even though I legitimately claimed when I did because of time reasons). I'm pretty good at talking myself out of a lynch and I felt that counterclaiming was the best way for me to do so, rather than expect town to swallow that there were 4 blues AND a survivor. Had to play for myself in the end rather than play for both of our teams. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
I attempted to force a game which would result in a 3P that would claim without town being able to kill him. This game heavily revolved around setup analysis, and heavily discouraged town-initiated mass claims. 1) Number of roles: There were precisely enough town roles for 3P and scum to have 1 fakeclaim each. 3P was also given a scum fakeclaim in the case that he wanted to claim scum (to alert scum that he was 3P). 3P knew precisely which power roles were in the game, as he was given Vigi and Hitler claims. Scum did not know which power roles were in the game. They we given one "free" miller claim because it was a Parity cop, so D1 miller claim wouldn't hurt the cop, the rest were all VT claims. 2) Weak Blues Lets be real clear here. Your parity cop claimed Day 2. Your Vengeful claimed. These are powerful roles which were made weak by claiming. Claim cop? Get shot. Claim Vengeful? You're a VT. Veteran was in there to change the D2 Lynch from LyLo to MyLo. 3) 3P Jailkeeper This let the 3P decide which type of game he wanted to play. Did he want to lean scum or town? Short game or Long game? By choosing not to use his power, WoS played for a shorter game. 4) Amazing Scum play/Veteran Meta In the end, nobody, even in the Obs thread, knew who the scumteam was. I believe that this is a result of two things. First, scum played exceptionally well, especially for a bunch of first timers! People are going to give all the praise to Stutters, but take a look back. Fuba got caught early, but made the 3P known and distracted town for the rest of the day - imagine how different LyLo is with an unknown 3P. s0lstice got caught, but managed to deflect the lynch and simultaneously shut down any movement on stutters. Honestly, s0l is my scum MVP - it is incredibly difficult to draw fire from someone else while not getting lynched yourself. And stutters just played a straight up good game. No one, even in obs, guessed stutters until he voted on vivax. At the same time, this town fell victim to the "Veteran Meta", which plagues TL. There was no way that one of the older guys wasn't scum. But thats an issue for a whole other thing. 5) Massclaim First, lets look at my hosting meta. I almost always provide fake claims. I punish people who try to break my setups. There is usually some sort of hidden information. So, meta wise, its a bad idea to massclaim in my games. Setup wise: Every blue role becomes exponentially worse by claiming early. There are 2 non-town RBs potentially in the game. Cop and vigi claims get RB/Shot. Vet/Vengeful get not shot or RB+Shot. Whose idea was it to massclaim? And why didn't you analyze the setup and figure out, hey, this is actually a bad idea? I'm the setup analysis host - if you play my game, look at the setup and think about how it can play out before you do anything else. 6) How Town Wins on Day IV Be there at the friggin Daypost. Method #1: s0lstice claims scum. 3 townies insta vote him. stutters is forced to vote s0l also. s0l dies, its now 3-1-1 -> 2-1-1 LyLo. Method #2: Oats had the right idea. Claim scum, say that another townie is your scumbuddy. They now know that you are town and are making a gambit, and On the whole, I think it was an ok game. Town just got outplayed hard. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Method #2: Oats had the right idea. Claim scum, say that another townie is your scumbuddy. They now know that you are town and are making a gambit, and LOL I fucking suggested that and I got yelled at by marv the day before. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 09 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Well we were given one weapon, the massclaim. But then scum asked for every role in the game and it was given to them for some strange reason. 3 blues, 2 of which are useless. we mislynched twice and lost. Come on. Thats scumfavored. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 09 2013 10:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well we were given one weapon, the massclaim. But then scum asked for every role in the game and it was given to them for some strange reason. lolwut. JJD read the analysis. Scum had no idea which blueroles were in the game. Only I did. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 09 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: What were you given? ANd regardless, it took the massclaim away from us as a weapon. It's just strange to just change everything midway through the game. lolwut. JJD read the analysis. Scum had no idea which blueroles were in the game. Only I did. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 09 2013 10:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: What were you given? ANd regardless, it took the massclaim away from us as a weapon. It's just strange to just change everything midway through the game. I was told that vig and Hitler are not in the game. That's it. Scum were only given two green VT roles and a miller, exactly as I said while the game was still going. Massclaiming should never be a weapon imo. If it went as you wanted it to then you just automatically win or catch a couple scum in the act. How is that fair exactly? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 09 2013 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: No, we were @ mylo. Scum counterclaims town. It's not an autowin @ all.I was told that vig and Hitler are not in the game. That's it. Scum were only given two green VT roles and a miller, exactly as I said while the game was still going. Massclaiming should never be a weapon imo. If it went as you wanted it to then you just automatically win or catch a couple scum in the act. How is that fair exactly? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 09 2013 10:27 JarJarDrinks wrote: No, we were @ mylo. Scum counterclaims town. It's not an autowin @ all. Ok maybe not D2, but it still narrows down your lynch options considerably and you can make easier use of power roles. If you had massclaimed D1 it would have been. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I just feel that in a 12 player game, with only 2 mislynches its INSANELY hard for town to win. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
If you want to massclaim you might as well go play monopoly or something, what's the point of playing mafia | ||
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