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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 02 2013 04:37 GMT
#27
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Onegu
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Last Edited: 2013-07-06 21:35:44
July 06 2013 21:33 GMT
#141
We start in half a hour correct
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
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July 06 2013 22:28 GMT
#212
On July 07 2013 07:23 geript wrote:
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On July 07 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:05 geript wrote:
Dandel, why do you nuke me with the first post instead of even trying to divine my alignment? Why take an easy potshot like that? Why even pretend to nuke when we don't even know if nukes have to be posted in the thread?

On July 07 2013 07:07 geript wrote:
Yo Dandel. I already asked you why fake nuke? Don't fucking do that shit. It's quite possible other teams 3P/Scum don't have to post their nukes in the thread and then that just fucks shit up of the rest of us. STOP

'splain please

In Hydra 2 nukes could be pm'd to the host to be sent without having been posted in the thread. Had scum noticed they would've nuked Fivetouch when Palmar/DP fake nuked them. I didn't see anything requiring nukes be posted in the thread in the OP so there's no reason to fake nuke as it can really fuck up town if a hidden nuke is launched off of a fake nuke.


This really makes since to me, until we know for sure we shouldnt launch fake nukes.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 06 2013 22:46 GMT
#229
On July 07 2013 07:45 gumshoe wrote:
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On July 07 2013 07:38 Xatalos wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:29 gumshoe wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:27 geript wrote:
Also, who the fuck is gumshoe?


A wild card. I have no existing meta Geript, does that frighten you?


Well, we were scum together once (GoT). Does it frighten you that I know if you're scum?


That was the worst I've ever played in any game ever period regardless of the medium. I've had five second pacman wipes and six pool vs cc first loses (dont ask me how) that were more impressive than my play in GOT mafia. My play was so low that Gravity will compel me upwards from it. All you know of me are my darkest hours, Xata. Good luck recognizing my scum play on that basis.


So you are saying we should base your scum play off this game?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 06 2013 23:26 GMT
#277
On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".

geript is scum for that, are you?



Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 06 2013 23:44 GMT
#303
On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote:
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On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:47 geript wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly).

I think you're misunderstanding what I've been doing. I just wanted to skip past the mafia foreplay and get straight into the calling scum phase.

On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you?

So you're trying to soft call me scum for not reading the thread carefully in the first ~50 min. Isn't that a bit hypocritical

First part: I don't understand? Explain.

I'm on a time crunch before I have to work tonight and wanted to get past the jovial joking trolling foreplay phase of mafia and skip straight to the scumhunting/scumfucking part of it.

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Second: What? That was about M_Z.

So write more clearly.

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On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is supertown.

explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far.

Why?

You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice.


Going back his first post is explain, then his second is why he wants the read. Sure he does put some soft scum reads in there, but I think the requests are clear and reasonable.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 06:49 GMT
#412
On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:
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On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:
On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out?

Just tell me who is on your scum team.

Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair.
It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup.

could you please stop shitting up this thread?


And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet.

Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game?

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 16:07 GMT
#479
On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote:
Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play.

If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread.

I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style.

I've already stated this, but he did it in mafia LX as mafia dayvig and he was scum.
Now, it's entirely possible that (as stated earlier by somebody) Chez was faking it and scum used it as cover to nuke Xat themselves. I'm willing to bet there was no need for Chez to actually type it in thread if it was his. Either way if people CAN stop this I'm not entirely sure it should be.

Also hai guise I back.
Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other?


What made you get off of chez and on to johnny? So far chez has refused to answer all relevant questions, only saying he did in fact launch his nuke but not why or what type of nuke.

Johnny has mostly posted fluff, but so have I (first game as town), but I dont see any lynchable offenses yet.

If chez launched a positive/non lethal nuke why not claim it?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#483
On July 08 2013 01:09 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 08 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnny is probably town, get your votes off him. Maju for example is far better target, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with my Chezinu-analysis you should be obviously voting for him.


Honestly, I'd say that him flipping scum wouldn't surprise me. That nuke was insane as either alignment but makes slightly more sense as scum. Still, there are so many shady characters in the thread right now that I'm inclined to lynch one of them. Chezinu should reveal himself as scum more easily as the game continues (given his apparently careless play).



They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 16:36 GMT
#491
On July 08 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah, johnny probably town at this point but I'm not sure how much that helps us. I'd bet there is 1 MAYBE 2 scum voting him right now.
As for Onegu:
I have a little something pre-written up on him but I'm going to sit on it a bit.

Onegu, do you have any nukes? If you had one (or do have one) who would you nuke right now and why?

No I dont have a nuke, if I did I wouldnt launch day 1 though, but if I was forced to I would kill chez, as he refused to answer any relevant questions and I think he is either maf or 3p.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 16:40 GMT
#493
On July 08 2013 01:28 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 08 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote:
On July 08 2013 01:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnny is probably town, get your votes off him. Maju for example is far better target, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with my Chezinu-analysis you should be obviously voting for him.


Honestly, I'd say that him flipping scum wouldn't surprise me. That nuke was insane as either alignment but makes slightly more sense as scum. Still, there are so many shady characters in the thread right now that I'm inclined to lynch one of them. Chezinu should reveal himself as scum more easily as the game continues (given his apparently careless play).



They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it?


Buff nuke? Are there such nukes? Well, anything is possible I guess. Do you honestly believe we're both scum and he's just trying to buff me like this though? If not, why speculate about it? There are many more useful topics out there right now, after all.


Why not speculate it is something to think about.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 16:48 GMT
#494
On July 08 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On July 08 2013 01:36 Onegu wrote:
On July 08 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah, johnny probably town at this point but I'm not sure how much that helps us. I'd bet there is 1 MAYBE 2 scum voting him right now.
As for Onegu:
I have a little something pre-written up on him but I'm going to sit on it a bit.

Onegu, do you have any nukes? If you had one (or do have one) who would you nuke right now and why?

No I dont have a nuke, if I did I wouldnt launch day 1 though, but if I was forced to I would kill chez, as he refused to answer any relevant questions and I think he is either maf or 3p.

What if he is mafia or 3p with a 'buff' ability like you said? Would you be worried about that?
What kind of nukes do you think are possible in a game like this and what kind of other abilities?


Ok first if he is maf I doubt he has a nuke to buff, he may have a type of nuke that xata is immune to though. I think radiation will be a factor in this game either positive or negitive. And people will have abilities based on this side effect.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 18:43 GMT
#517
On July 08 2013 03:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think the biggest topics of the day have been Chezinu, me, Xalatos, Johnnywups....anyone else?
Maybe Geript and Rayn as well?


Me too
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 07 2013 19:34 GMT
#526
Sleeping soon so if there are any questions in the next half hour or so I will be around.

The next thing is on Alakaslam, his activeity level has me feeling scummy. Compared to his last game where he would post about his dinner, add in the fact he watched 2 lurkers make it to endgame.

The chez situation really needs to be explored more, and if he refuses to give answers he needs to be lynched. Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe, and he really doesnt add much productivity to the thread either.

##VOTE: Chezinu
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 03:54 GMT
#788
On July 08 2013 05:34 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
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On July 08 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote:
Sleeping soon so if there are any questions in the next half hour or so I will be around.

The next thing is on Alakaslam, his activeity level has me feeling scummy. Compared to his last game where he would post about his dinner, add in the fact he watched 2 lurkers make it to endgame.

The chez situation really needs to be explored more, and if he refuses to give answers he needs to be lynched. Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe, and he really doesnt add much productivity to the thread either.

##VOTE: Chezinu


There's no real way to read chezinu. He's always like this. In fact, you speculate this earlier:

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On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote:
On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:
On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:
On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out?

Just tell me who is on your scum team.

Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair.
It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup.

could you please stop shitting up this thread?


And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet.

Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game?



Chezinu is just a crazy guy. Don't try to get all up on some high horse like you're trying to push a real lynch. You just want to lynch chezinu because he's acting like chezinu? No, even then you'd have other things to say about other players. You are scum who is trying to look productive by attacking a guy who's just like insane. Nice try but it's not gonna fly, brother.

##vote Onegu


Really, I dont know what chezinu even acts like as this is my first game with him and since he was dodgeing questions it is legit to vote him
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 03:56 GMT
#789
On July 08 2013 07:35 MajuGarzett wrote:
Ok, just caught up, sorry for being inactive

One of the people I find scummy is Vayne. He voted pretty early based off of one post and after that hasn't done much.
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On July 08 2013 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:31 geript wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh,

Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post?


I play differently in every single game so meta'ing me with a pretty bad choice. I will agree that the posted you quoted is intentionally scummy, I was trying to bait scum into trying to make some shitty case on it but I don't really think you're scum so it didn't work that well.

Stop wasting your time and my time then. Just scum hunt and make your thought process clear. Who are your top scum targets and why?


Right now im looking at johnny and Caucasian. I already placed my vote/reasoning on johnny if you filter me so now to caucasian...

filler post then the old I'm drunk thing so I can't help town.

When do drunk posts ever turn back town unless it's like BH? It's such a cop out. If you're drunk don't post or at least try harder then that.

If he's town I really have no regrets as he is giving us nothing to work with


That post is the most of his thoughts he's given and all it is is repeating that he suspects Johnny and then making a read on somebody with no meaningful posts.

I feel he voted early to look eager in looking for scum and is trying to use that to go under the radar. To me it seems like little output from about 20 posts.


I agree with the suspicion about Onegu.

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On July 08 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote:
Sleeping soon so if there are any questions in the next half hour or so I will be around.

The next thing is on Alakaslam, his activeity level has me feeling scummy. Compared to his last game where he would post about his dinner, add in the fact he watched 2 lurkers make it to endgame.

The chez situation really needs to be explored more, and if he refuses to give answers he needs to be lynched. Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe, and he really doesnt add much productivity to the thread either.

##VOTE: Chezinu


Here he says we need answers from Chezinu or Chezinu should be lynched but then votes in the same post. Why not wait and see if there's a reply? I think he might just be trying to start a bandwagon.

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On July 08 2013 01:07 Onegu wrote:
Johnny has mostly posted fluff, but so have I (first game as town), but I dont see any lynchable offenses yet.

And here he justifies fluff posting as being new to the game. I don't think that makes sense, regardless of experience, its not hard to take some time between posts to write something constructive instead of just spouting fluff

##Vote: Onegu

Looking at Abenson's filter, it's hard to say much from 2 posts and since both posts are close together he might just be busy, but he really avoided saying anything about anyone.


Meaning if he answed the questions I will unvote him.

##:UNVOTE
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 04:23 GMT
#797
On July 08 2013 12:00 johnnywup wrote:
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On July 08 2013 11:54 Chezinu wrote:
If I didn't pass the potato.. my hands would have burned.

I may have a similar role to you.


I really dont like this post.
Have you launched your nuke yet?

Just seems like a good excuse to nuke someone.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 04:42 GMT
#799
On July 08 2013 11:41 Chezinu wrote:
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On July 08 2013 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 08 2013 11:34 Chezinu wrote:
On July 08 2013 11:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 08 2013 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
johnnywup
NG
caucasianasian

horrible try again

also Chez a little more explanation plz.

Have you ever felt compelled to do someone?

That's a personal questions chez...

Let's say you had a nuke coming at you. What would you do in order to survive?


This is his reason for launching at xata I think, I think he means xata launched at him so he launched back.


If I didn't pass the potato.. my hands would have burned.


And here is the reason he launched.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 07:27 GMT
#838
On July 08 2013 16:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Where are you caucaisianasian? It's midnight and I don't got all night.

Like what WoS has been doing. Town. SHOW ME YOUR ENE- oh wait, У меня нет никакой власти...

I did tryhard at referencing the greats last game. That is a part of me, so:

Chezinu is reminding me of Drazerk in Aperture. I remember thinking his lynch that game was really disappointing.

I am thinking best lynch Ghost403.

So I will vote him.

YOUR THOUGHTS?

Pressure the lurker folks.


Wait so you are just going to put your vote down on someone lurking for a policy lynch?

You give no reason for doing so you just fish for thoughts on it. Here is my thought you just voted random one of the lurkers for absolutly no reason. Why him and not dandol or anyone else for that reason?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 07:34 GMT
#843
On July 08 2013 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote: NG
NG is scum.
He says both WoS and vayne are scum then votes Onegu for being bad. then he gets into rayns face for NO Reason. This guys scum guys


To expand on this, this set of quotes:

On July 08 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:58 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nirvana.Gabo why is Onegu your target and not me?


I happened to notice Onegu's posts in the past few pages and I didn't notice yours.

Ahh so you don't read the whole thread and just vote reactionary?
Is this the behaviour you are going to follow the whole game?


I didn't say I didn't read your posts noob

Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please.


NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine.
Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all?
When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer.
scum.

Chezinu: After the possible nuking period is over (in some hours), i expect you to give your clear reasoning for nuking Xatalos over anyone else in the game. If you do not give that, i will be lynching you until you die and i encourage everyone else to do so. Right now you are only flip-flopping around the question, saying "i am dead already" (lol, people take this at face value??). I don't care if you had to launch your nuke or not, i care about why Xatalos was in your opinion the best target of all the people.

Oats i am not scum. Why do you think Johnny is scum?

Alakasam is either scum or terribad.


Proof of the latter.

Enjoy The OMGIS manifesto

And slightly proud of it! :D dat's how bad.

...... I should get better in time.


Except you started to play better after day one, this is like you are playing completely different, I know I shouldnt use meta but something is different here and I am trying to get a feel for what it is.

Do you have a nuke?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 08:05 GMT
#869
On July 08 2013 16:50 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Previous

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On July 08 2013 14:59 CaucasianAsian wrote:
i have to go eat. will continue later today

Dandel Ion
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=Dandel Ion
On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on.

So he posts a bunch of filler, and then states that he won’t be beneficial at all to town. Fair enough, so point blank, he has posted a refusal to not help town.

ghost_403
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=ghost_403
Lurker, very few posts. Not beneficial

Oatsmaster
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All his limited posts are pretty much filler, doing nothing beneficial to town.

Stutters695
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Filler, not being beneficial

Z-BosoN
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Pretty boring, not beneficial as of yet

Abenson
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He claims to have unvoted for Johnny here:
On July 08 2013 12:31 Abenson wrote:
Anyways I've unvoted from Johnny since although he looks kinda suspicious, it might be just newbie town. I think we can pay attention to him but not lynch him right away.
Gonna vote Chez. Interested to see what he flips and what motivated him to throw that nuke

Yet, he never even voted, as can see here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=Abenson
Beyond that confusing post, not beneficial

Meapak_Ziphh
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Unfortunately he is being nuked by someone who didn’t claim it. As Xatalos stated here: + Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2013 20:00 Xatalos wrote:
Looks like I'm still alive. Although after re-reading the rules, it's not that surprising:

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On June 21 2013 05:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Nukes can be fired up to 12 hours until the next deadline. It will be announced in thread whenever a nuke is fired. The nuke will trigger at the end of the deadline.

There are many different types of nukes.


So:
1) apparently every nuke will hit at the deadline, not before or after that time
2) there are different types of nukes

I can say that I'm immune to one type of nuke, but clearly I'm still in danger of death, since I don't know which type of nuke Chezinu launched at me. Ultimately it will be resolved at the deadline. If someone wants to use an anti-nuke or something, feel free to do so, although I can't be certain if it's necessary or not.

Chezinu, if you are town, I'd like to hear your reasoning for launching a nuke at me and the type of that nuke.

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On July 07 2013 18:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED

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A nuke has been spotted heading towards Meapak_Ziphh.


This at least proves that nukes don't necessarily have to be claimed. Dunno if Chezinu's nuke required claiming, but there's at least a strong possibility that he claimed it without needing to. That makes him look more townish IMO - why claim if my town flip would just put him in a tough spot as scum?

On the other hand, nobody claiming this nuke aimed at Meapak makes it likely a scum nuke... And Meapak town based on that.

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On July 07 2013 15:47 Alakaslam wrote:
VayneAuthority is tunneling jwupwut I forget his name for a stupid reason. This doesn't implicate Vayne in and of itself. Jwupwut looks like town.


Is that an actual read? If so, why?

There is no reason for a townie to randomly nuke someone so early on with very little reads. This makes me assume that he is town, and it is probably a scum nuke. Unfortunately we won’t be able to see him for much longer.

Ace
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The first person to actually be posting so far down this list (with the exception of Meapak who is unfortunately being nuked). To say that he is mafia or town is hard at the moment. After all, it’s still Day 1, and there is very little information to go off of. Although as everyone seems to be on the right page, people not talking are simply bad for town, and it’s good that he is saying something, town or mafia, as if he’s town we will be able to understand that through his future posts / voting / nuking (?) and if he is mafia, we will be able to see flaws in his logic and patterns through posts / voting / nuking (?)




Continuing

MajuGarzett

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Doesn’t post much, but from the few posts he has made, seems to be doing some actual analysis. Although he is inactive, he currently doesn’t seem as scummy or bad townie as other inactives. Should be looked at closely, and made sure that he continues to post again, but I’m not too worried about him yet


Johnnywup

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On July 07 2013 23:59 johnnywup wrote:
I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value.


On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote:
Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go.

##nuke TanGeng

I will not be able to change this.



Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it.

He never posted before that he needs to nuke in order to survive. If that were the case, I am starting to understand why he is bad for the town. Not only is his basis to target TanGeng absolutely absurd, when there are many other inactives (I myself was very inactive) who fit into the same line.
Also, I cannot assume that a town role forces you to nuke someone. If he is forced to nuke someone every day, and he is not lying, then that’s simply bad for town. It’s very risky.
Also, he votes for WaveofShadow, and Dandel Ion
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420340&user=johnnywup
His basis is that Dandel Ion is scummier than WaveOfShadow.

Onegu
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So right off the bat, before I even start to say anything. I want to note that MajuGarzett votes for him. As I stated earlier, I don’t feel as if MajuGarzett is very scummy yet.
Overall, even though I’m not a big fan of Onegu, he hasn’t done anything way out of the ordinary that would quantify him as being mafia, or town yet. I feel very neutral on him.

He continues to say that I’m a scummy lurker. I can understand why people would assume I’m a lurker. I’ll defend this once I get to me on the list.
But honestly, he seems to be proactive. I don’t see any hardcore basis behind lynching him yet, unless I want to go about a pride thing. But he gives me a more townie feel to be honest.


VayneAuthority

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I have a similar feeling to VayneAuthority as I do to Onegu. Even though he has less filler posts, he seems to be doing decent analysis. Despite the whole thing of me being drunk and thus that’s a sign of mafia, he’s not looking to be pro-scum from my point of view thus far. He does seem to be lynch happy, but ok. There are people much higher up on my radar currently.


strongandbig

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Very inactive, and blames 2 people that they look scummy. He is really sitting in the corner, showing he is watching the thread (with his 2 random suspicion posts) and not being beneficial to town at all.


gunshoe

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Almost every single one of his posts are filled with fluff. Not being productive at all.



Will continue later, need to study for class.


First are you sure you were looking at my filter because I never mention you let alone say you are a scummy lurker.

I agree with your thoughts on Johnny though, it just seemed convienent that he only posts he has to fire a nuke after chez says he had to fire his. Just seems like a easy way to fire his at someone on geripts list, especially if he has multiple nukes.
Also he never says why dandol is scummier just odd.
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#897
On July 08 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 08 2013 17:58 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today.

Wait wtf. Has someone nuked Chez?

He was fake nuked by xata, he says that is why he fired back in his own roundabout way.
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#938
On July 08 2013 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 08 2013 23:38 TanGeng wrote:
Hmmm what does infection mechanic do?


No idea.


It lets you nightkill.
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#939
EBWOP

Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. 
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#942
On July 08 2013 23:55 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 08 2013 23:50 Onegu wrote:
EBWOP

Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. 


Do you know if there are other types of nukes or just Radiation nukes?


I only know of radiation nukes.
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#955
On July 09 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, after reading the last page i dunno. Maybe it's better that the nuke on Xatalos lands. If he does not die, gratz, we got a vigi. If he does die, Chezinu looks terrible. Xatalos can't be mafia working with Chez like this, there's no way he would have claimed that as mafia.

I suggest we lynch NG. Anyone in?
Because if Chezinu's nuke is some type that "helps" people, as there apparently are people who gain something from nukes, it makes sense to shoot it towards a townie.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Nirvana.Gabo


Here's the case:
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On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote: NG
NG is scum.
He says both WoS and vayne are scum then votes Onegu for being bad. then he gets into rayns face for NO Reason. This guys scum guys


To expand on this, this set of quotes:

On July 08 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:58 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nirvana.Gabo why is Onegu your target and not me?


I happened to notice Onegu's posts in the past few pages and I didn't notice yours.

Ahh so you don't read the whole thread and just vote reactionary?
Is this the behaviour you are going to follow the whole game?


I didn't say I didn't read your posts noob

Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please.


NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine.
Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all?
When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer.
scum.


Xata is 100% town, but chez shouldnt get off yet because he couldnt know of xata role, and we arent sure if he launched a helpful nuke or not as that is the one question he hasnt answered.

My other point on him is he launched the first actual nuke, but when he did it he couldnt have known the others were fake, that is why I took my vote off of him.
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#1005
On July 09 2013 01:26 Z-BosoN wrote:
I won't dig too much into meapak right now, his filter seems ok.

One thing that is bothering me a LOT is Alakaslams posting. He pummels me asking for more quality from a few posts of mine yesterday, is pretty oppressive on my "17%" joke, complaining that most of the thread is fluff:


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On July 08 2013 09:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Two posts above yours, and his activity asking questions. But mostly, two posts above yours.

Was good enough for me. Glad your activity is spiking.

No comment on your 17% bs, reading this game you should know there is 10x more fluff than is desirable. I am watching you too, and I'll say it for you: OMGIS!!!


Yet his own posting quality is very fluffy. He isn't trying to steer discussion anywhere that is useful. Anyone familiar with his playstyle feels like commenting?


This is only his second game, I have already said this but it feels different then his last game though.
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#1340
Sorry I fell asleep speed reading now then back to sleep.
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#1363
How do we know the claim isnt real? Just seems odd.
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#1369
Ok back to sleep I trust xata 100%

##VOTE:ON
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#1603
Alright Im catching up now, my has been sick all day and just now went down for his nap. Im like 30 pages behind so give me a few min.
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Ebwop son ^
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#1645
On July 08 2013 07:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey Mepak. I am back, I promise not to martyr again if I can help it. I am prone to martyr after last (and only) game. But fair enough and don't forget to watch me, I understand the need for town cred.


Onegu, yes you make a good point. But meta is meta, last game I was an ill- playing blue role, here I am just vanilla, with the added benefit of a little experience. So less worried about getting Lynched, and remembering the words of Hapa.

So I retract my old statements on WoS, I rebuild the alliance, but note that I still ally with Ace.

Reason being is I believe ace to be helping town in a genuine way, rather than in the ways I can see scum doing, and he is still doing better than WoS. Disclaimer, however: I suspect ace is capable of anything, and besides I should be taken with a grain of salt, considering how little I know I this game.

That being said, as Onegu points out I have no excuse to lurk and yet posting unsubstantial fluff is something I have found to be nigh useless, if not detrimental to my fellow town.

Geript, my ally: what thinks ye of Ace? You know far more about this great one than I.

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Я знаю, что смешнее, когда я теряю голову, но я оставлю это на новых игроков, как игра была сделана пылающей рукой. Так что я буду стараться быть спокойнее, и более полезными должна я в последний раз.




I dont think there are vanilla roles I think he is lying here, again I am sorry I am on a tab here so I will have multiple posts in a row.
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July 09 2013 12:34 GMT
#1647
On July 08 2013 17:54 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 08 2013 17:38 MajuGarzett wrote:
On July 08 2013 17:20 Alakaslam wrote:
MajuGarzett, tunnel much, hmm?

On Onegu? His vote switch seemed to fit with my read, it would be dumb not to point it out. What would be the point in not highlighting evidence? And it seemed the most relevant topic in the thread at the time.

Oh and yes and suits me. If anyone else has a bone to pick they can have at it.


Really fast to get off the boat here, why so fast this answer isnt that great.
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#1653
On July 09 2013 04:53 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 04:51 FirmTofu wrote:
Dandel Ion is looking more and more like an easy scum misdirect.

Scum Thought Process: Let's find the one townie that is lurking and easy to lynch; that way no one will scumhunt and we can shift pressure off of us.


Yes, this is why I un voted.



Fast sheep of an unvote.


I do not see any benefit to town for me to explain that. In the further interest of town, I refuse.I do not see my own survival a more important than doing all I can to benefit town. I will not vote OriginalName, and will vote Vayne. I am sorry, and I'm pretty sure ON will be lynched anyway.Scum are not the only informed folk, and I am not informed, and I'm not making sense so that is all I will say.


I really dont like this explaining yourself is always good for town, I think he was trying to gain town cred by not voteing ON, but by not explaing himself makes him look really bad.
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#1660
On July 09 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Was starting to throw this together
+ Show Spoiler +


On July 09 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WaveofShadow: Answer me this.

I launched a nuke on Meapak. You were scummy as hell, came back in thread and implied you have a desire to use your power. Then you redirected the nuke from Meapak to NG. Now if you and Meapak are both scum and i am town, how does this not make sense from my point of view to call you both mafia?

Desires to paint Mepak and WoS as mafia

On July 09 2013 09:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wait rayn, after you nuked me you called me town. Also you called me town all the up until now when you started disliking WoS's retarget. Take your tinfoil hat off, you're making me wish I had died.

Doesn't make sense bruh

Also fuck you guys for not lynching dandel, he came back and did literally nothing and then peaced the fuck out. Absolutely disgraceful.

At some point tonight I'm gonna do another big reads list because I fully expect to die tonight despite all the claimed blues -_-


Mepak calls bs

Which is 1000x harder on iPhone.

Then I realized: EVERYONE, PLEASE JUST READ PAGES 72-77.

It really needs the context.

How on earth is rayn not at the very least confirmed lying?

What is his motive for all that?



Why dont you say what you want us to see, really bad to just say go look.

Ok. He was the host of my other game, where I was completely different.I don't see a scum read on me from anyone who hosted in that game (or even played in it) as at all implausible. I am so different I know it. I have gone from (to use jungle book analogies) Disney Baloo to Rudyard Kipling Kaa in the space of two games.(In reality though that is just comparative. I am very like ohai i am nwe heer plz help me btw blazinghand cooler than cool hehehe Both games. Just this one I see most of TL mafia is pretty cool at it <3<3<3 as everyone from FirmTofu to Ace has managed to impress me at some point.)


Geript's answer strikes me as smarter than mine would have been. I would have labelled myself yet scummier, as it means I am consciously being different.I would still have said this. The coaching I (unconsciously) ignored last time? Calm down, be honest. That's all, and it probably would have prevented Lylo if I had followed that advice better (I thought I was, somehow).


Alakaslam are you trying to play different by makeing zero reads, sheeping answers, and posting fluff? Please its not like that.
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#1721
On July 09 2013 22:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
We should probably give this rayn thing a rest for a bit as its killing discussion before the night post. People that have a chance to die should really throw out some reads/cases before they are gone.

I really need people's opinions on these three men, as I think they are all scum.

gumshoe, ghost, onegu

They don't have time to post anything meaningful in the thread but are able to show up last second and ninjavote for ON? Especially gumshoe who I know is much more capable than this.


I am sorry for this the deadline is 5am for me normally I am up until 2am ish, I fell asleep early and woke up a half hour before the deadline i tried to speed read but was still tired and since I know Xata is 100% town I sheeped him.
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#1734
On July 10 2013 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Signifying I am caught up.

So Vayne, I can actually be of assistance to you

Onegu has begun to relive our prior game. He plays a pretty good scum game (especially from my perspective), by attacking town mistakes.

This is usually good because it scores you town cred while painting your target which takes attention off yourself. It would not have caught my eye as much if he hadn't started after some stronger players said (too happy-go-lucky, response to rayn's gig[????]) pretty much town. I usually assume I will look scummy because there is no usually yet and last game I was lynched as town. So I would actually expect what is coming from him.

Onegu just had bad timing this time

On a further note, yeah there are a lot of blues. There are also a lot of players. It isn't impossible that there are vanillas, who amuse the pre lynch time with speaking Russian, and then going story boarding when that derails. I know most posters have soft claimed but cauc hasn't yet, neither have a lot of people. But even if I was blue, I am not going to paint a target on my back for mafia. So the deal about vanilla claiming doesn't say scum even if it is a lie.

Oh, uh, hehehenothingpersonalkthanksbye
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Russian<That fool doesn't represent. At least he is a self-admitted fool, but a fool nonetheless.>

Hey!
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shut up. Russian<caught a spy today. I am disappointed you didn't enjoy my gift, Mepak_Ziph, but perhaps that was to be expected. I assure you, it was well meant. Let this suffice, I am in a distant land and my home is a smoking pile of ash. It will take time for me to build enough resources to afford luxury items again. However, though the idiot hasn't allied with you yet, I assure you my feelings toward you are as warm as those I have for Chezinu Isunizehc.


Uh...

Allied with M_Z.....


You dont actually defend yourself you just try to flip it back on me only useing meta. Butthis game is you arent scumhunting, you arent doing anything. You refuse to vote ON but wont give a reason to do so, you are just trying to get town cred.
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July 11 2013 05:51 GMT
#2097
Sorry I have been in a pain med coma the last day and a half, first I will be active and am sorry. Second I do not have a radiation nuke. Third I have left enough breadcrumbs for people to figure out my role not sure how you havent. I think only scum have radiation nukes since no town have claimed them and xata looks town at this point from most peoples persective. I also believe that radiation nukes are silent because it says in the role pm we do not know when we are infected. I visited Xata last night.
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July 11 2013 06:01 GMT
#2103
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. Reply 
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#2106
If I visit xata and I am infected and he isnt we will both be infected night 2
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#2111
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town
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#2118
On July 11 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is this role any more likely town than scum?

But yes I know, that is why I allied with him, it is just 1step short of a townread for me.

Don't ask why I am not allied with you yet...


Because town most likely dont have radiation nukes.
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July 11 2013 06:26 GMT
#2120
Why is Alakaslam town? His role would easily be scum. And this is a good way to get town cred since is factory was blown up.
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July 11 2013 06:36 GMT
#2124
I woildnt mind a z bosan nuke or lynch, he is very waffleing. putting a scum read on alakaslam but then saying he would rather have a policy lynch on lurkers and wait for alakaslam, then he does the same thing with Vayne. He puts weak scum reads out then pulls back off of them.
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#2126
On July 11 2013 15:32 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote:
So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours.

Adding voice to say prefer VA.

RIBL (in is more grammatical than on) tunnel much Onegu? Look at the time stamps for my claims. I can't write that fast, that was copypastecopypaste.


I believe your factory was blown up and I believe you could make nukes, doesnt take much to change the color. I just dont like your play compared to last game where you scum hunted. And your refusal to give a reason for the vayne vote.
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#2128
You dont have filter links on 2 of the replacements
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#2131
I am still trying to get my head around the rayn fake claim thing I am just going to re read the whole thread.
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#2141
On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town


Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.)

Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff).



Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active.
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#2143
On July 11 2013 17:12 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote:
On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote:
On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town


Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.)

Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff).



Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active.

I think you will be notified, but you might want to ask the host to make sure. I'm thinking you two should be visiting each other until you get the notification(assuming Artanis confirms).


No it straight up says we wont be informed if we are infected.
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#2163
So there are 3 immune ones in the game?
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#2236
Sorry I just spent 3 hours writeing a blog post. I dont want to derail the thread but I really dont like z bosan.

@ xata I asked

Will we know when a nuke lands or only when launched?

Closed setup, you'll have to find out.

This is what led me to belive they could be silent.
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#2251
On July 12 2013 02:18 strongandbig wrote:
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On July 11 2013 20:51 Onegu wrote:
So there are 3 immune ones in the game?

four, at least


also im voting va

##vote: vayneauthority

i think hes had a bunch of scummy behaviors so id rather lynch him.



Did you just claim?

Oh and I am re reading the thread now on page 81, but also checking in to refresh the page and see new content.
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July 11 2013 21:50 GMT
#2462
What happened I didnt like a MG lynch to much and jamp is scum why was he protected I cant wrap my head around it. Also s&b is scummy, but I am sure z-bosan in scum and needs to be lynched..

##vote: jamp
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#2593
Xata visit someone tonight dont forget, I am leaning toward geript, firm tofu, MG or WoS.
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July 12 2013 13:21 GMT
#2599
I really dont like geript much, espically if MG flips scum. That is what esentailly happened. If ace nukes MG and he flips scumI would like a geript lynch.
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July 12 2013 13:23 GMT
#2600
Oh I visited Firm Tofu, I think he is scum and if he flips town the VA is most likely scum.
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July 12 2013 23:39 GMT
#2743
Umm it is possible I killed firm tofu I visited him last night...
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July 12 2013 23:51 GMT
#2752
On July 13 2013 08:42 Ace wrote:
Onegu why would you visit him?


I thought he was scum based on his voteing pattern and how he played the game targeting people who I thought were town.
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July 13 2013 01:13 GMT
#2770
On July 13 2013 10:08 Ace wrote:
noted Wos. If you think geript is scum with maju, chances of austin being there too? read his last post.

also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point.


Acually someone did claim to have a nuke today.
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July 13 2013 03:08 GMT
#2783
On July 13 2013 11:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Sigh.

Well I think the next course of action is in the voting thread.

хорошо играл товарищ! в следующий раз, послать кого-нибудь, как волна тени или "Onegu» или себя, кто-то, как "Xata", который так город, они, вероятно, умрут опасна ... Nonetheless wise in the moment, but this is why I had picked ace at first. I figured he had suspicion so would last the night unmolested.




I thought we were going to stop writeing in russian, I am to lazy to translate even though I see my name.

@stutters why didnt you make a different type of nuke. Most people had xata as town and with his claim a radiation nuke would have been much better, are you just lazy?
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July 13 2013 03:20 GMT
#2785
On July 13 2013 12:18 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
SURPRISE NUCLEAR LAUNCH
[image loading]

s0Lstice has been nuked.


good morning, and i'm confused... this wasn't launched was it? just blew up? what?


He is a cohost.
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July 13 2013 03:33 GMT
#2790
On July 13 2013 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:08 Onegu wrote:
On July 13 2013 11:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Sigh.

Well I think the next course of action is in the voting thread.

хорошо играл товарищ! в следующий раз, послать кого-нибудь, как волна тени или "Onegu» или себя, кто-то, как "Xata", который так город, они, вероятно, умрут опасна ... Nonetheless wise in the moment, but this is why I had picked ace at first. I figured he had suspicion so would last the night unmolested.




I thought we were going to stop writeing in russian, I am to lazy to translate even though I see my name.

@stutters why didnt you make a different type of nuke. Most people had xata as town and with his claim a radiation nuke would have been much better, are you just lazy?


Reading comprehension bro. I couldn't make real nukes. Promising someone everyone think thinks is town a buff doesn't have the same potential for generating discussion as a nuke that ace thought was lethal to his target.


Sorry somehow missed the second claim... Could you not give someone D1, or just didnt give one out?
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July 13 2013 03:34 GMT
#2792
On July 13 2013 12:33 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
On July 13 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.

I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.

Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?

I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless.

Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik.

I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later.


can you explain why you want him lynched ant not nuked? Either way, if he dies, what's the difference?


He wants to analyse votes, which doesnt make a whole lot of sense as we can analyse no matter who is lynched.
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July 13 2013 03:36 GMT
#2793
On July 13 2013 12:34 geript wrote:
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On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.

This is why I don't want MG nuked. It's a plain waste of a nuke that we could get better analysis from elsewise.


But this could be true of any scum. And we would have the same problem.
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July 13 2013 03:57 GMT
#2796
On July 13 2013 12:42 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:36 Onegu wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:34 geript wrote:
On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.

This is why I don't want MG nuked. It's a plain waste of a nuke that we could get better analysis from elsewise.


But this could be true of any scum. And we would have the same problem.

Scum KP is almost always based off of the # of living scum. Removing 1 scum for sure is top priority IMO. We can get other scum later or nuke them. Right now we're down 8 town and only 1 scum. Best option is to try and reduce KP to give ourselves more time if it's necessary.


I just took my methadone so Im not really following you here.

1 We lynch MZ he is scum and he is bussed, we nuke other and they flip town. We get zero info
2 Same as 1 except our nuke is at scum and is redirected. Depending on who redirected and to who we get zero to little info
3 We nuke MZ and vote someone, nuke lands. Then we can also analyze votes and cases depending on the flip.
4 same as 3 except nuke doesnt land, depending on the timeing of the nuke switch or destruction, we may still have time to lynch him.

Am I wrong here?
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July 13 2013 04:00 GMT
#2797
On July 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
On July 13 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.

I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.

Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?

I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless.

Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik.

I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later.

If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you.
Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense.

Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.'



I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him and like xata said he could be 3p, but to be honest I would like a nuke on MZ and a lynch on S&b or z-bosan
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July 13 2013 04:04 GMT
#2798
Ebwop

But after his list not much else put me back to scum.
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July 14 2013 03:00 GMT
#2854
On July 13 2013 22:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 13:00 Onegu wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
On July 13 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.

I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.

Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?

I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless.

Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik.

I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later.

If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you.
Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense.

Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.'



I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him and like xata said he could be 3p, but to be honest I would like a nuke on MZ and a lynch on S&b or z-bosan


This is the third time you mention you'd love to lynch me. While I'm flattered, what is stopping you from making a case on me? Also, why do you want to lynch me even if I'm null? Who are your top scumreads?


So in thismgame you have had scum reads on Ace,, Austin, Alakaslam, WoS, Johnnywup, Rayne, Vayne, Koshi, and S&B, and maybe chezinu as you have a post about if anyone disagrees with him being scum.

But your votes have been on CA for lurking, and Jamp for cookies

So out of 25 people you have had scum reads on 10 of them and voted for 2 more, you are waffleing so much and barely contributing, you have had one good post on reads and the others are just basicly saying you feel someone is scum.

VOTE-BOSAN
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July 14 2013 03:04 GMT
#2856
@ Geript I would still prefer a nuke on MG I just think we will get more info from the flips.
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July 14 2013 03:12 GMT
#2858
On July 14 2013 12:10 geript wrote:
Random CA ninja unvote w/o comment...


What are you refering to here?
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July 14 2013 03:16 GMT
#2861
On July 14 2013 12:14 geript wrote:
Look at the vote thread


Gotcha is that a scumtell though?
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July 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#2873
Hrmmm
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July 14 2013 04:18 GMT
#2876
@stutters

You thought ace was town, why would you give town a dud?
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July 14 2013 04:36 GMT
#2884
On July 14 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 13 2013 00:08 Ace wrote:
##nuke MajuGarzett


This is the original nuke post.
On July 14 2013 13:00 Ace wrote:
something isn't right. I think I figured out what happened and if this works we've got issues.


##nuke MajuGarzett

This is your recent nuke post.
Am I missing something?

Ah I am, that was the one you did at night after nuke deadline.
Ok, original question stands.
Why are we in trouble/have issues?


Because we dont know what to do with MG now, if it is a dud and we dont vote him he lives, If we vote him and it is real we miss out on second flip
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July 14 2013 04:43 GMT
#2889
On July 14 2013 13:38 geript wrote:
It's simple. We lynch him with fire like I've been saying already. We don't trust Stutters which means the nukes a fake, or we don't trust Ace which means he has ulterior reasons for launching the nuke. Either way Maju needs to die and the surest way of that is lynching him.


That gives us zero info though, I think it is better to let the nuke land see if it is real or fake, and vote z-bosan or austin and see the flip, this way way we gain the most info.
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July 14 2013 04:46 GMT
#2894
On July 14 2013 13:44 Ace wrote:
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On July 14 2013 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.

you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both.


If the nuke is actually real then Stutters lied. We'll see when it lands. Look back at the explanation I was asking for when I first fired the nuke and he brought up being sabotaged.


If we lynch will we see if the nuke hit, which comes first lynch or nuke?
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July 14 2013 04:50 GMT
#2903
I really dont understand why give it to ace if he had ace as town, why wouldnt you give it to a scum and see where it is aimed?
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July 14 2013 04:53 GMT
#2906
And his claim timeing is so random also, why claim then you are asking to have your factory blown up then and telling everyone it is fake takes away the info we gain.
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July 14 2013 04:58 GMT
#2911
On July 14 2013 13:55 johnnywup wrote:
Oh shit, you're right. Fuck. Okay, in that case it's possible they're both townie but it just seems so likely that they aren't. It's possible though. Okay, going back to the plan I said a couple posts ago then. I've got an idea that we should lynch one that's not Maju/Stutters. If the nuke lands, we have a probably dead scum and another alive confirmed scum. If it doesn't land, we have a semi-confirmed townie and an alive probable scum. I'm not sure if this is better than lynching maju, because he's probably scum, but we'd get no info out of that. Stutters isn't black or white in that case. Anyone's thoughts?


Yeah I said that we should lynch z-bosan or austin, possible s&b
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July 14 2013 05:00 GMT
#2916
On July 14 2013 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:55 johnnywup wrote:
Oh shit, you're right. Fuck. Okay, in that case it's possible they're both townie but it just seems so likely that they aren't. It's possible though. Okay, going back to the plan I said a couple posts ago then. I've got an idea that we should lynch one that's not Maju/Stutters. If the nuke lands, we have a probably dead scum and another alive confirmed scum. If it doesn't land, we have a semi-confirmed townie and an alive probable scum. I'm not sure if this is better than lynching maju, because he's probably scum, but we'd get no info out of that. Stutters isn't black or white in that case. Anyone's thoughts?

Stutters gave Ace the nuke on N1?


I thought D2, and no one d1
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July 14 2013 05:05 GMT
#2921
To be honest my role was ambiguous, it says nothing about what radiation does.
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July 14 2013 05:41 GMT
#2931
On July 14 2013 14:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
[quote]
dud = shit that doesn't work


no.

You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless.

compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch.

What are you trying to hide?

Where does it say it doesn't actually launch?
It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud.


Ok I will try to explain it

You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.

The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes.

You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless.

Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL.

see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread.

Alright assuming you're right about this (I don't 100% buy it, but whatever)
You then assume Stutters to be scum, correct?


I would be 100% sure if Ace didn't fuck us in roulette -_- just the fact that I know he's capable of doing that makes it iffy

But if what you're saying is true then Stutters has lied about his claim. There is no town motivation I can think of for that which makes Stutters scum 100%.


The first thing I thought of when I saw his few different roleclaims was that he was trying to make a play like rayn did, thats always a possibility. He could have been trying to fuck with Ace but now Ace is fucking with him.

So you think it's possible that after being caught with the real roleclaim he THEN lied and is not a Toy Store.

Alright I suppose I follow but that is some convoluted shit right there. There is certainly some 'really fucking unlikely' going on there, and I don't think it's on the same level as Roulette at all.
What do you think the correct play is, Vayne?


The correct play is to consult the hosts but since its a strictly closed setup the second best action is probably to leave it untouched right now and see what Maju flips or if he even flips at all. It should be something we talk about tomorrow not today


So you want to lynch MG and not see if the nuke hits?
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July 14 2013 05:57 GMT
#2935
Because I didnt read the part where he says if he flips at all...

No I am town IO
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July 14 2013 06:23 GMT
#2939
On July 14 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 14 2013 14:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
Lynching outside of the situation, not lynching MG. that is my stance

Say Stutters?


No it should be austin or z-bosan, the whole point of letting the nuke fall is to see if stutters is lieing.
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July 14 2013 09:20 GMT
#2944
On July 14 2013 17:12 MajuGarzett wrote:
Once again I have to reiterate I am definitely not the best choice to lynch. This would be true even if there wasn't a chance I would die from a nuke.
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On July 13 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
MajuGarzett
1) His first content-post is very... weak and careful, basically focusing to just doing something for the sake of doing something and staying off the radar
2) Same theme continues with his second content-post during D2... weak and careful, nothing decisive or new to the discussion
3) Lots of useless fluff that appears semi-contributive on first look
4) A vague show of "interest" to rayn's claim, then conveniently going away until the matter was more or less already resolved

That is basically the case against me and it really has nothing solidly scummy. Just some tendencies that can easily be explained by my inexperience with mafia. Geript shot down a nuke heading towards a player most people believed was scummy and neglected to use his power on much more townie people who were being nuked. Due to this he effectively caused an entire day of discussion to be wasted. It was the best thing that could happen for scum. Yet somehow there are 6 votes against me and only 1 against him. Xata advocated the lynch of austin just as much as mine and since then there has been further evidence against him while the case against me has remained stagnant. Despite this there is only one vote against him. CA has gone the majority of the game doing nothing on the excuse that he is drunk and new to the game.
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On July 09 2013 20:11 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Dinner went quicker than expected

On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote:
I don't think rayn lauched the nuke.

On July 07 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Nuke: Xatalos
If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1.

On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum.
On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER!

plz
On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-.
Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself?

On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see.
Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak?

On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you?

No it was not me.

I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so.

Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me.
Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?



Is it possible that there is a required role where you must claim unclaimed nukes?

If not, then maybe he just wanted to stir up some action.

In either case, I am really interested in why WoS has a town read on Maepak.

That type of post is exactly what I'm being suspected for yet no one cares when CA does it.

I feel town has been very stubborn in advocating my lynch and has began to tunnel. Look at the evidence and I don't see how it is possible to think the case against me is stronger than any other. Add to this the fact that I might die from the nuke and lynching me becomes completely foolish. Johnny even just finished an analysis proving so which disregards the fact that there is only poor evidence against me.

If people truly think I am scum, think of this nuke on me as a bonus. Its a regular day with a regular lynch plus an XX% chance (the accuracy of the nuke) of hitting scum. If you lynch me you completely waste the point of a nuke. It makes far more sense to vote for the actual scummiest person here and see if the nuke hits. If it doesn't hit, lynch me the next day and no lynch discussion has been wasted. Also if you lynch scum and the nuke hits and I'm scum you're definitely reducing their kp instead of killing one person and maybe reducing kp.

So, no matter what you think of me, lynching me today is an awful decision.

In my opinion right now I think Geript is the scummiest. That nuke shot based on an assumption that was obviously wrong that, if truly innocent, he put absolutely no effort into researching, wasted a days discussion and flew in the face of what others in the thread were trying to accomplish.

##Vote Geript



Wierd vote choice here, geript isnt getting lynched. I dont like what geript did and some of his positions but I dont see scum makeing big waves like that. This just makes me think you dont want to bus you scum buddy austin.
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July 14 2013 10:17 GMT
#2945
On July 14 2013 17:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude. I'm Like always on top here. Y


Thats what she said.

Sorry couldnt help myself.

Alakaslam can you do some scumhunting please? I think you could be the fifth scum I dont like your lie, I dont like your votes, and I dont like your lack of doing anything. It is possible you are 3p survivor. As your actions make you unlikely to be lynched or NK.
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July 14 2013 13:04 GMT
#2951
On July 14 2013 21:54 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 21:06 geript wrote:
A few things to note before I head off for D&D.

Maju has "magically" forgotten why he was suspected by many in the first place: who, how and why he chose to shoot his nuke. Xat's points on him are just gravy. I think the thing that proves Maju as scum for me is how he's approached why people think he's scum. He's taken Xat's point which are really the bread and butter for why he's a suspect but things that aren't at the core of the issue for why we're lynching him and only addresses though. Additionally, his post makes huge illogical leaps but not in any sort of illogical manner. When town loses their shit, they lose their shit baby and the bathwater. When scum "lose their shit" they have a distinct purpose in losing their shit so they don't lose they keep the bathwater while trying to toss the baby so that they look nuts. This is that exceptionally odd sense of the in between.

A few other points that should be considered with Maju, in both of his last posts he's done nothing. There's even a nuke at his head now (if that can be believed), but there's no attempt to scum hunt. There's no going back to try and figure out what points are important, what's been missed, etc. Just "dont lynch me I'm not scum" drivel.


About the nuke... I wanted to wait as long as I felt I could to address this but look at how Ace is handling the nuke he shot off. It seems very telling to me that Ace hasn't tried to move the lynch either. I don't think it's anything, but Ace who shot the nuke isn't even treating it as being real. Which I thought funny.

I don't get the whole baby thing... that sounds creepy and crazy.. let me try and understand. Town will lose their shit aka brown, they will lose their baby = something very special, and bathwater which may or my not be brown depending on the time period of the bath taking. Scum tosses baby, once again very creepy. something precious... could it be nukes or votes? Exceptionally odd encryption indeed. What type of poetry is this?

Now this,

"A few other points that should be considered with Maju, in both of his last posts he's done nothing. There's even a nuke at his head now (if that can be believed), but there's no attempt to scum hunt. There's no going back to try and figure out what points are important, what's been missed, etc. Just "dont lynch me I'm not scum" drivel."

makes some sense. Thank you for being the first person to answer my question that I asked twice.



This
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July 14 2013 13:04 GMT
#2952
ebwop

Seconded
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July 14 2013 14:09 GMT
#2964
We shouldnt be lynching lurkers at this point, it really should be austin, z-bosan, or S&b as they have much more scummy posts and actions than a lurker.

Anyone not agree on z-bosan, he waffles so much haveing scum reads or votes on half the people in this game.
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July 14 2013 14:12 GMT
#2966
Gumshoe ninja vote on stutters
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July 14 2013 14:18 GMT
#2969
On July 14 2013 23:12 Koshi wrote:
There are too many targets... Sentinel can you make a good case on somebody? You are like the only confirmed town atm.


How is he confimed town he hasnt done much at all and it is possible his nuke was a bus nuke on dandel/xigzag.

@Sentinel how did you get a nuke and do you have more?
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July 14 2013 14:20 GMT
#2970
Takeing stutters out because I dont think he should be lynched yet. Was talking about you saying CA and gumshoe.
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July 14 2013 14:23 GMT
#2972
On July 14 2013 23:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sent if you can you should nuke somebody else today to make our lynch options easier.

arent we past the 12hr now?
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July 14 2013 14:31 GMT
#2974
On July 14 2013 23:26 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 23:20 Onegu wrote:
Takeing stutters out because I dont think he should be lynched yet. Was talking about you saying CA and gumshoe.
Read my post. I'm not suggesting we lynch them.

Explain this bit about keeping stutters alive and killing me/z-boson/snb. I can understand that mindset earlier, but we have not seen a silent nuke today and I've claimed to have raided stutters, he's claimed to have been raided.

You want to wait on stutters to see if ace's nuke goes off. But you're okay lynching me?


At this point yes, first there is no way to confirm your claim. Second it is possible he is town and you are scum and can shut down factories, so seeing if the nuke lands gives us more info.
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July 14 2013 14:37 GMT
#2977
On July 14 2013 23:34 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:
On July 14 2013 23:26 austinmcc wrote:
On July 14 2013 23:20 Onegu wrote:
Takeing stutters out because I dont think he should be lynched yet. Was talking about you saying CA and gumshoe.
Read my post. I'm not suggesting we lynch them.

Explain this bit about keeping stutters alive and killing me/z-boson/snb. I can understand that mindset earlier, but we have not seen a silent nuke today and I've claimed to have raided stutters, he's claimed to have been raided.

You want to wait on stutters to see if ace's nuke goes off. But you're okay lynching me?


At this point yes, first there is no way to confirm your claim. Second it is possible he is town and you are scum and can shut down factories, so seeing if the nuke lands gives us more info.
Yes, it is possible. However, in that case, you need to account for the lack of silent nuke today.

In the world where I am scum and stutters is town, you need to believe his claim, think I'm a scum war protestor, AND think that the silent nuke is being held...solely to get a lynch on stutters?


You are trying to read into a closed set up, maybe a total of 2 scum got 1 silent nuke each, or 1 scum got only 2 silent nukes. Or its 3p lauching silent nukes there is no way to know.
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July 14 2013 16:27 GMT
#3006
We really need to agree on a lynch. I disagree with everything geript has done and suggested, but it seems almost to obvious for him to be scum.

Are ninja votes a scumtell?

I really prefer a austin lynch, with everything xata posted, plus I dont like his claim or his defense as there is no way we can or should read things into a closed setup. Unless someone claims to have shutdown a nuke maker, he should be the target since I cant get anyone on z-bosan.

Vote: Austin
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July 14 2013 16:37 GMT
#3009
On July 14 2013 18:20 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 17:12 MajuGarzett wrote:
Once again I have to reiterate I am definitely not the best choice to lynch. This would be true even if there wasn't a chance I would die from a nuke.
On July 13 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
MajuGarzett
1) His first content-post is very... weak and careful, basically focusing to just doing something for the sake of doing something and staying off the radar
2) Same theme continues with his second content-post during D2... weak and careful, nothing decisive or new to the discussion
3) Lots of useless fluff that appears semi-contributive on first look
4) A vague show of "interest" to rayn's claim, then conveniently going away until the matter was more or less already resolved

That is basically the case against me and it really has nothing solidly scummy. Just some tendencies that can easily be explained by my inexperience with mafia. Geript shot down a nuke heading towards a player most people believed was scummy and neglected to use his power on much more townie people who were being nuked. Due to this he effectively caused an entire day of discussion to be wasted. It was the best thing that could happen for scum. Yet somehow there are 6 votes against me and only 1 against him. Xata advocated the lynch of austin just as much as mine and since then there has been further evidence against him while the case against me has remained stagnant. Despite this there is only one vote against him. CA has gone the majority of the game doing nothing on the excuse that he is drunk and new to the game.
On July 09 2013 20:11 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Dinner went quicker than expected

On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote:
I don't think rayn lauched the nuke.

On July 07 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Nuke: Xatalos
If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1.

On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum.
On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER!

plz
On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-.
Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself?

On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see.
Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak?

On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you?

No it was not me.

I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so.

Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me.
Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?



Is it possible that there is a required role where you must claim unclaimed nukes?

If not, then maybe he just wanted to stir up some action.

In either case, I am really interested in why WoS has a town read on Maepak.

That type of post is exactly what I'm being suspected for yet no one cares when CA does it.

I feel town has been very stubborn in advocating my lynch and has began to tunnel. Look at the evidence and I don't see how it is possible to think the case against me is stronger than any other. Add to this the fact that I might die from the nuke and lynching me becomes completely foolish. Johnny even just finished an analysis proving so which disregards the fact that there is only poor evidence against me.

If people truly think I am scum, think of this nuke on me as a bonus. Its a regular day with a regular lynch plus an XX% chance (the accuracy of the nuke) of hitting scum. If you lynch me you completely waste the point of a nuke. It makes far more sense to vote for the actual scummiest person here and see if the nuke hits. If it doesn't hit, lynch me the next day and no lynch discussion has been wasted. Also if you lynch scum and the nuke hits and I'm scum you're definitely reducing their kp instead of killing one person and maybe reducing kp.

So, no matter what you think of me, lynching me today is an awful decision.

In my opinion right now I think Geript is the scummiest. That nuke shot based on an assumption that was obviously wrong that, if truly innocent, he put absolutely no effort into researching, wasted a days discussion and flew in the face of what others in the thread were trying to accomplish.

##Vote Geript



Wierd vote choice here, geript isnt getting lynched. I dont like what geript did and some of his positions but I dont see scum makeing big waves like that. This just makes me think you dont want to bus you scum buddy austin.



Wierd timeing there stutters...
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July 14 2013 16:46 GMT
#3013
Wait stutters why did you say you were voteing geript in thread but voteing MG?
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July 14 2013 17:36 GMT
#3042
On July 15 2013 02:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 12:00 Onegu wrote:
On July 13 2013 22:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
On July 13 2013 13:00 Onegu wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
On July 13 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.

I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.

Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?

I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless.

Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik.

I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later.

If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you.
Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense.

Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.'



I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him and like xata said he could be 3p, but to be honest I would like a nuke on MZ and a lynch on S&b or z-bosan


This is the third time you mention you'd love to lynch me. While I'm flattered, what is stopping you from making a case on me? Also, why do you want to lynch me even if I'm null? Who are your top scumreads?


So in thismgame you have had scum reads on Ace,, Austin, Alakaslam, WoS, Johnnywup, Rayne, Vayne, Koshi, and S&B, and maybe chezinu as you have a post about if anyone disagrees with him being scum.

But your votes have been on CA for lurking, and Jamp for cookies

So out of 25 people you have had scum reads on 10 of them and voted for 2 more, you are waffleing so much and barely contributing, you have had one good post on reads and the others are just basicly saying you feel someone is scum.

VOTE-BOSAN


lolwut

don't contribute? I contribute more than you. In fact, my earlier contribution put me back to null on you

Show nested quote +
I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him


And now just because I baited you into voting for me you easily do so?? And your case is that I have had many scum reads, even though right now I have like 3-4? You're pathetic. Or scum. Have to see which.


You have had 10 (11 if you count me) scum reads but your votes havent been on one of your reads. And your actions after you list made me feel scum on you which I said.
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July 14 2013 17:42 GMT
#3048
On July 15 2013 02:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Are we suspicious of Gumshoe and CA?


No one has answered me as to wether ninja voteing is a scum tell or not (first game with vote thread) if it isnt I dont think we are, but I dont want a lurker lynch today anyway.
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July 14 2013 17:46 GMT
#3050
This makes me want to see austins flip even more, if town we have VA now,.
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July 14 2013 23:11 GMT
#3313
Jeez, this is why I didnt want to lynch a lurker.

Again what radiation does.

Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. And yeah, you don't have a nuke.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From Onegu:
Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.


What is radiation? And I am guessing I dont have a nuke. Sorry for the questions, Im still a noob.
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July 14 2013 23:12 GMT
#3315
Oh I am visiting austin tonight.
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July 15 2013 16:31 GMT
#3338
Nuke deadline passed suprised none launched.
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July 16 2013 00:41 GMT
#3497
Did anyone get a radiation nuke?
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July 17 2013 02:45 GMT
#3663
##VOTE MG

Depending on how nukes land and what flips are will reevaluate reads, I dont think geript is scum most of his actions I have disagreed with, just dont see those as scum actions.

I think it is safe to say town doesnt get eadiation nukes.
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July 17 2013 10:24 GMT
#3678
Lol silent nuke at me
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July 17 2013 10:25 GMT
#3679
Well now you see I am town IO and can go after s&b now.
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July 17 2013 10:33 GMT
#3682
So much for Austins theory about scum nuke factory being destroyed because of no silent launch day 3.
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July 17 2013 10:38 GMT
#3683
I really have no idea why I am the silent nuke target, as I have been kinda useless this game. The CA thing kinda feels town to me, oh you launch at me, nah back atcha boy. Not really careing who dies I think CA and Chez plus me will flip town.
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July 17 2013 10:39 GMT
#3684
Oh and I still think geript flips town.
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July 17 2013 11:26 GMT
#3688
We cant know when the silent nuke was launched, maybe showpi just got on and had it in his in box and sees CA launch.

Hell for that matter me and you were around we see CA launch and launch at the same time to make CA look bad. Would be kinda stupid for me to launch at myself though.
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July 17 2013 11:36 GMT
#3692
Can you confirm he has launched nukes first in the past before vote count. Put still possible someone is lurking the thread see CA launch and launch himself.
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July 17 2013 11:39 GMT
#3696
Get the vote count out of the way because I have to find pics for the nuke launch.
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July 17 2013 11:40 GMT
#3697
On July 17 2013 20:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 20:36 Onegu wrote:
Can you confirm he has launched nukes first in the past before vote count. Put still possible someone is lurking the thread see CA launch and launch himself.

But CA said he got the nuke while being nuked himself. This is strange right? Like why would somebody give a nuke to CA after CA being nuked?


You cant go here either as there is no way to know when he got the nuke, maybe this is the first time he checked the thread.
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July 17 2013 14:35 GMT
#3700
On July 17 2013 23:30 Chezinu wrote:
Note to self: Don't fake nuke a drunk guy, he may nuke back. Btw, thank you Planar Dragon!

YOU WIN 100,000 Cheznos with 25,000 Nuka'Chez Caps!!!!


You didnt fake nuke...
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July 17 2013 15:42 GMT
#3713
Geript saves himself, and oats idk me or chez
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July 17 2013 15:44 GMT
#3714
Chez prob the better choice as he is likely to get another nuke, and I claimed to early makeing sure I never got radiation. Plus my flip lets you go after s&b
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July 17 2013 19:08 GMT
#3764
Xata n1 Firm n2 Austin n3
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July 18 2013 04:47 GMT
#3877
Posting from hospital, not feeling to good but will hopefully be out later today, visiting alakaslam, to be honest I really doubt I have radiation, although it could be possible otherwise why nuke me?

WoS death odd, I think he was killed by radiation meaning s&b is scum and active.
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July 18 2013 04:47 GMT
#3878
On July 18 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 09:03 Ace wrote:
wtffffff killed when I was afk AGAIN!


...... Svengali.


I warned you.
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July 21 2013 03:50 GMT
#4026
So sorry I got out of hospital last night meant to post but fell asleep.
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July 21 2013 15:41 GMT
#4054
On July 21 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
getmoript. I played how I felt I had to play to win as scum. I worked pretty well because even though I posted quite a lot in this thread, nobody pressured me. My role was hidden till the very end.

You got to understand that I am really new to this game and that using that to my advantage is not so stupid like you aggressively keep repeating.
Show nested quote +
Are you kidding me? The only reason why Koshi looked like town was because he looked to stupid to be scum. Guess I'll just have to lynch him because I doubt anyone will be able to tell a difference between his normal town stupid and his scum stupid. Also, I'm removing the too stupid to be scum as a town tell because him. If anyone can be that stupid normally or fake being that stupid that well then oh well.

You are a douchebag. I am really upset after reading this. wtf m8?

I tried my best in TL+ as town, first game ever.
I tried my best in the Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV and died first night.
This is the third game that has finished and I was scum so I had to pretend to be less knowing that I was...

Where is all the hate coming from?



Nah man you played good dont let some random who didnt even play get you down, look forward to playing with you again
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