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On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that.
When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that.
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On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all.
Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now.
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On July 09 2013 21:20 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote:
To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it.
I don't care what you've addressed where. That doesn't magically make you solve the game any faster. You have to admit to lurking. You have to admit to not pressuring many players. You have to admit to not being forthright with many (if any) reads. Right now you're just and only concerned with how the ON lynch implicates Rayn. That's fine, but you haven't done anything with it at all since last night and your position on it isn't anything more than it was last night (which wasn't that much in the first place). It's not convincing anyone if you don't do shit with it.
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On July 09 2013 21:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:20 Ace wrote:On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote:
To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it. Maybe you prefer to have a hard-to-read meta instead of helping town if you play town, but that's just stupid and only helps when you roll scum. "I never play pro-town" is no justification.
That is not being anti-town. I just don't like confusing the thread with multiple reads. I've even given a few reads already this game when asked. Stop being a dick about my playstyle and I'm tired of people acting fucking dumb about it.
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On July 08 2013 07:56 Alakaslam wrote:Hey Mepak. I am back, I promise not to martyr again if I can help it. I am prone to martyr after last (and only) game. But fair enough and don't forget to watch me, I understand the need for town cred. Onegu, yes you make a good point. But meta is meta, last game I was an ill- playing blue role, here I am just vanilla, with the added benefit of a little experience. So less worried about getting Lynched, and remembering the words of Hapa. So I retract my old statements on WoS, I rebuild the alliance, but note that I still ally with Ace. Reason being is I believe ace to be helping town in a genuine way, rather than in the ways I can see scum doing, and he is still doing better than WoS. Disclaimer, however: I suspect ace is capable of anything, and besides I should be taken with a grain of salt, considering how little I know I this game. That being said, as Onegu points out I have no excuse to lurk and yet posting unsubstantial fluff is something I have found to be nigh useless, if not detrimental to my fellow town. Geript, my ally: what thinks ye of Ace? You know far more about this great one than I. + Show Spoiler + Я знаю, что смешнее, когда я теряю голову, но я оставлю это на новых игроков, как игра была сделана пылающей рукой. Так что я буду стараться быть спокойнее, и более полезными должна я в последний раз.
I dont think there are vanilla roles I think he is lying here, again I am sorry I am on a tab here so I will have multiple posts in a row.
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On July 09 2013 21:30 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:20 Ace wrote:On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote:
To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it. I don't care what you've addressed where. That doesn't magically make you solve the game any faster. You have to admit to lurking. You have to admit to not pressuring many players. You have to admit to not being forthright with many (if any) reads. Right now you're just and only concerned with how the ON lynch implicates Rayn. That's fine, but you haven't done anything with it at all since last night and your position on it isn't anything more than it was last night (which wasn't that much in the first place). It's not convincing anyone if you don't do shit with it.
I'm not lurking. Every time I've been around I've been active.
I take a laid back approach and I'm lurking. I take a proactive approach and I;m disruptive. Which one is it? Read my filter - I've given reads. I've made it obvious many times in the past 24 hours where my suspicion lies. You were JUST discussing this with me. But fine, you stay there and be salty. We'll just do this our own way.
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On July 08 2013 17:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 17:38 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 08 2013 17:20 Alakaslam wrote:
MajuGarzett, tunnel much, hmm? On Onegu? His vote switch seemed to fit with my read, it would be dumb not to point it out. What would be the point in not highlighting evidence? And it seemed the most relevant topic in the thread at the time. Oh and yes and suits me. If anyone else has a bone to pick they can have at it.
Really fast to get off the boat here, why so fast this answer isnt that great.
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rofl Ace. So as scum i claimed a nuke i did not need to claim when i'm under zero pressure. I also swung the lynch fron DI to ON. Makes no sense from town point of view considering that i have called DI town and ON scum the whole game. Of course it does not make sense, town!rayn could have done nothing but to lynch Dandel, his town read, obviously. Also it was certainly rayn who swung the lynch, actually rayn is posting via Austin about all this stuff why ON is scum, right?
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On July 09 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that. When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that.
Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal.
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On July 09 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rofl Ace. So as scum i claimed a nuke i did not need to claim when i'm under zero pressure. I also swung the lynch fron DI to ON. Makes no sense from town point of view considering that i have called DI town and ON scum the whole game. Of course it does not make sense, town!rayn could have done nothing but to lynch Dandel, his town read, obviously. Also it was certainly rayn who swung the lynch, actually rayn is posting via Austin about all this stuff why ON is scum, right?
So what if you're under 0 pressure? We've seen scum make plays without pressure multiple times. That isn't a legit excuse. MZ was the one who went back and caught you in a lie. You somehow knew MZ was going to catch you ahead of time and set this all up with a fakeclaim of the nuke, to then say it was a gamble all this time? right.
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On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now.
Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong?
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On July 09 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that. When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that. Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal.
You seriously can not be this stupid.
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On July 09 2013 04:53 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:51 FirmTofu wrote:
Dandel Ion is looking more and more like an easy scum misdirect.
Scum Thought Process: Let's find the one townie that is lurking and easy to lynch; that way no one will scumhunt and we can shift pressure off of us.
Yes, this is why I un voted.
Fast sheep of an unvote.
I do not see any benefit to town for me to explain that. In the further interest of town, I refuse.I do not see my own survival a more important than doing all I can to benefit town. I will not vote OriginalName, and will vote Vayne. I am sorry, and I'm pretty sure ON will be lynched anyway.Scum are not the only informed folk, and I am not informed, and I'm not making sense so that is all I will say.
I really dont like this explaining yourself is always good for town, I think he was trying to gain town cred by not voteing ON, but by not explaing himself makes him look really bad.
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On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now.
Explain why:
1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG
2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure
3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan
No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this.
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On July 09 2013 21:39 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that. When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that. Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal. You seriously can not be this stupid.
Less stupid than you for still believing in rayn's nuke-claim.
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On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong?
I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along?
regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here.
If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck.
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On July 09 2013 21:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote:On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck.
So you don't know who the nuke came from after all? Wasn't it just coming from rayn a second ago?
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On July 09 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote:Was starting to throw this together + Show Spoiler +On July 09 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WaveofShadow: Answer me this.
I launched a nuke on Meapak. You were scummy as hell, came back in thread and implied you have a desire to use your power. Then you redirected the nuke from Meapak to NG. Now if you and Meapak are both scum and i am town, how does this not make sense from my point of view to call you both mafia? Desires to paint Mepak and WoS as mafia On July 09 2013 09:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wait rayn, after you nuked me you called me town. Also you called me town all the up until now when you started disliking WoS's retarget. Take your tinfoil hat off, you're making me wish I had died.
Doesn't make sense bruh
Also fuck you guys for not lynching dandel, he came back and did literally nothing and then peaced the fuck out. Absolutely disgraceful.
At some point tonight I'm gonna do another big reads list because I fully expect to die tonight despite all the claimed blues -_- Mepak calls bs Which is 1000x harder on iPhone. Then I realized: EVERYONE, PLEASE JUST READ PAGES 72-77.It really needs the context. How on earth is rayn not at the very least confirmed lying? What is his motive for all that?
Why dont you say what you want us to see, really bad to just say go look.
Ok. He was the host of my other game, where I was completely different.I don't see a scum read on me from anyone who hosted in that game (or even played in it) as at all implausible. I am so different I know it. I have gone from (to use jungle book analogies) Disney Baloo to Rudyard Kipling Kaa in the space of two games.(In reality though that is just comparative. I am very like ohai i am nwe heer plz help me btw blazinghand cooler than cool hehehe Both games. Just this one I see most of TL mafia is pretty cool at it <3<3<3 as everyone from FirmTofu to Ace has managed to impress me at some point.)
Geript's answer strikes me as smarter than mine would have been. I would have labelled myself yet scummier, as it means I am consciously being different.I would still have said this. The coaching I (unconsciously) ignored last time? Calm down, be honest. That's all, and it probably would have prevented Lylo if I had followed that advice better (I thought I was, somehow).
Alakaslam are you trying to play different by makeing zero reads, sheeping answers, and posting fluff? Please its not like that.
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