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On July 09 2013 19:55 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe this is some elaborate ploy to lure out scum or something... That might be easier to understand than him really launching it as either scum or town.
 ing ding*
We have a winner. I'll explain everything tonight.
People who come out incedibly townie from this:
Oats, Xatalos, Alaskaslam, Meapak, WoS
People who come out scummy:
Austin, Ace
People who i need to think about more:
Jampidampi, Maju
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On July 09 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 19:55 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe this is some elaborate ploy to lure out scum or something... That might be easier to understand than him really launching it as either scum or town. ing ding* We have a winner. I'll explain everything tonight. People who come out incedibly townie from this: Oats, Xatalos, Alaskaslam, Meapak, WoS People who come out scummy: Austin, Ace People who i need to think about more: Jampidampi, Maju
LOL
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Was writing analysis about why Rayn could have possibly claimed the nuke, but since he has admitted that it was some sort of big play that he will explain later, I'm just going to stop right now and post what I had written spoilered below. If he doesn't explain, lynch him.
+ Show Spoiler +Possible scenarios in which rayn claims the nuke: 1) Rayn is town, actually lauched the nuke, and thinks WoS and Meapak are scum with WoS saving Meapak See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 2) Rayn is town and claimed a nuke he didn't launch Some sort of trick to catch scum? For that to be true he must have though that scum launched the nuke. Because if he though town lauched it, he would just get counterclaimed and then be in a shitty situation. 3) Rayn is scum, launched the nuke and claimed it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 4) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke his scumbuddy lauched to put heat onto Meapak and WoS Only possible if - Meapak and WoS are town
- Scum are low on misslynch possibilities
- the scumteam though Rayn had enough towncred to live despite a shitty nuke claim like this
1. because why would scum launch a nuke at scum and why would a scum WoS redirect a nuke from town to town. They can't all three be scum, because why would Rayn put them all in a worse position by claiming the nuke? 2. because why is there otherwise any reason to claim the nuke to put pressure on WoS and Meapak? 3. because it's no use claiming if he just gets lynched. 5) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke not lauched by his scumbuddy Rayn concludes that since nobody has claimed the nuke, someone must have a reason for not claiming it, be it that they are 3rd party or maybe that they have multiple nukes, and therefore would not counterclaim him. He claims it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS. 6) Rayn is 3rd party Since we don't a possible 3rd partys wincon, I won't speculate on this so much. If he is a 3rd party, the claim is most likely for survival, as not looking so townie makes scum less likely to shoot at you. Other than that, maybe his wincon is related to Meapak dying? It's just too much speculation to think of it this way. The only options that actually make sense are 2, 5 and 6.
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I am the champion.
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I'm willing to believe that rayn speaks the truth since 1) him actually launching the nuke makes extremely little sense as either alignment 2) I've never seen scum make "big plays" like this but I've seen some townies do a bit similar stuff
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Yes explain how I come out scummy from this rayne. Because if you lied about nuking MZ to try and trick people you really are spinning some epic bs right now.
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@ geript: DI posted that he would be lurking on purpose. CA did not.
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On July 09 2013 10:59 Ace wrote:
I was actually going to suggest rayne for lynch tomorrow since he was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around. ON was here defending himself and still kept getting votes, while DI disappeared.
Now rayne admits to nuking MZ. I think this is actually a far worse offense than the DI thing since I didn't see him with any prior suspicions on MZ. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Hahhah and this looks suspiciously much like scum "eating the bait" to mislynch a previously townish townie.
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On July 09 2013 20:58 Ace wrote:
what???
No prior suspicions, suddenly jumping on him when the general sentiment no longer trusts him that much.
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what general sentiment? the only person that called rayne out with a case was MZ.
If I was last here before the lynch, and I come back to see DI is saved and ON lynched, where else would you expect my suspicions to go? Think about this.
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On July 09 2013 21:01 Ace wrote:
what general sentiment? the only person that called rayne out with a case was MZ.
If I was last here before the lynch, and I come back to see DI is saved and ON lynched, where else would you expect my suspicions to go? Think about this.
It's just very convenient that you picked out rayn to start piling **** on once he became "vulnerable". Especially since most thought of him as town before that moment. And you didn't even mention austinmcc, me or several other people who were probably more or equally instrumental in the ON lynch compared to rayn.
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So what if rayne was hought to be Town before the lynch by a few people? Shit changed with that ON lynch.
Again, this is the same thing I said to geript: just because I singled out rayne doesn't mean I did not think about other people that turned the wagon around. MZ making a case on rayne just added fuel to the fire and made my read on him stronger. If you read my games and my advice in games I host I always advocate to do one thing at a time. Why would I make a case on a bunch of people at night? What exactly would I accomplish doing so?
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On July 09 2013 21:10 Ace wrote:
So what if rayne was hought to be Town before the lynch by a few people? Shit changed with that ON lynch.
Again, this is the same thing I said to geript: just because I singled out rayne doesn't mean I did not think about other people that turned the wagon around. MZ making a case on rayne just added fuel to the fire and made my read on him stronger. If you read my games and my advice in games I host I always advocate to do one thing at a time. Why would I make a case on a bunch of people at night? What exactly would I accomplish doing so?
That's just wrong. People didn't start doubting rayn with the lynch, they started doubting him with the claim (most notably Meapak). What even makes rayn special regarding the lynch? I'm willing to bet that I was more effective in changing it around than him. What's your opinion of rayn at the moment?
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Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that.
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To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game.
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On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote:
To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game.
Indeed. I expect much more of a veteran like him (unless he's scum of course).
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How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless.
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On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote:
To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game.
you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it.
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On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless.
So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all.
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On July 09 2013 21:20 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote:
To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it.
Maybe you prefer to have a hard-to-read meta instead of helping town if you play town, but that's just stupid and only helps when you roll scum. "I never play pro-town" is no justification.
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