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This one was stranger, but ugh. Really should have forced him to type that out earlier. | ||
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On July 11 2013 10:30 Ace wrote: Yeah, if you think that.oooo I see, it was on Xat. Which would mean he stopped a nuke on his scum buddy if you believe Xat to be scum? Also we don't know if Town does not have 2 anti-nukes. Some people believe hidden nukes can come from Town. Lets wait to see what the hosts post before doing anything. It was the chez nuke on xat. So if you think xat's scum, that's a thing. Even if you don't think xat's a town, either Chez's comments about how he didn't know what his nuke did, maybe it was fake/buffed a player, or xat's comments about being able to survive some nukes, could cause you to think that's a good defense target as it's not entirely certain the dude would die. WoS was the guy who redirected the MZ nuke to NG, and then has been kinda absenty today. | ||
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On July 11 2013 10:45 VayneAuthority wrote: How would you interpret the votes if Maju is town? Scum?get rid of Majugarzett ace so we can analyze the votes halfway through the day, he's a good target. | ||
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On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote: Above to VA.Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? | ||
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On July 11 2013 11:06 johnnywup wrote: I'm out for the night, but this post actually reads very very very townie to mecould you give more reasoning behind defending ace besides "he is active"? On July 11 2013 09:54 Ace wrote: At this point, Ace knows he's getting nuked. Unless he and oats are both scum, he thinks he's gonna die at end of day, or should think that as far as we know.Well I want Stutters to chime in on this too. I'm not calling Onegu scum, he was one of the guys I pointed out on the wagon earlier and I went through his filter. Lets see what Stutters comes up with. also he is a notorious lurker. better give him as much stuff to contribute while he is around. He's still doing stuff even while thinking he's gonna die though, which indicates he wants to leave town with more information. If he's scum and gets nuked, then who cares, he has no reason to give reads/question people, because when he flips scum nobody will trust his posts anyhowz. But also like...I interpreted this post as giving scum reads, and was trying to engage Ace about it. His response, that he's trying to get stutters into the thread, giving reads, is a townie response imo. More stutters posts equals slightly easier to read stutters, and easier-to-read players are good for town. The fact that he's just trying to coax out activity, rather than discuss his own read and what it might be, should be coming from a townie point of view. Ace also perfectly capable of doing townie stuff, or having his buddies do townie stuff, as scum. But the speed of his response made the post feel legitimate, not like he was plotting out the most townie-sounding response. | ||
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I don't think someone being immune one = them being town. I actually thought Onegu was crumbing some kind of radiation medic, he seemed to know how radiation worked, how it killed, but claimed no nuke. That role seemed very townie to me. For no raisin, I'm assuming that with some of these roles that exist in multiples, some of there were assigned to scum. But if we start seeing 3 people claiming 48-hour unstable nukes, immune ones, defense grids, etc. then I think it's ALMOST a listcheck saying someone in that bunch is scum. Immune one a perfectly fine mafia role tbh, if they have any radiation nukes they can drop em on townies OR on a known immune one and use it as extra KP from thereon out, irradiating people. As best as I can tell...Ace is not nuked anymore, and was given a nuke by an unknown. Maju had a nuke, and used it on jampi? He did not claim it until recently, and did not say whether he has had it the whole time or how it came into being? And also...sentinel nuked DI/XigXag, but did not claim from whence his nuke came? Is that...the nuking story as it sits right now? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:26 geript wrote: Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that. You people make me sad.... but I like this post. I had the idea of a using the roles as a listcheck, but I'm pretty sure artanis is a bastard host so it wouldn't be that worthwhile. Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic. OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes. I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:40 geript wrote: I'll take a peeky.@Austin. Imma go take a lunch break and get the oil in my car changed. Mind reading up on FT. You seeing what I'm seeing or am I just being me? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:42 austinmcc wrote: I dunno if we see that same thing, but here's stuff I see in order of how much I see it:I'll take a peeky. (1) D1/N1 FirmTofu has about 1.5 pages of filter of posts. D2 he's posted somewhat more, but really EXPLODED into posting since all this nuking stuff came to light last night (US time) and today At first I actually found that super suspicious, because all of a sudden he's leaping into thread, directing actions, being much much more decisive. D1 his scum reads jump all over the place, he doesn't always provide reasoning, his posts are just kind of part of his thoughts and never really tied together. Now the whole world is going to end based on what happens with certain nukes and claims. (2) He's ... got a thing with claiming. And I don't get it. Doesn't trust ON's claim and thinks VA is scum, in part, for trusting Chez's claim: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote: Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP. On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote: I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious. But yet Alakaslam's claim is 100% trustworthy and makes him town: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2013 14:12 FirmTofu wrote: Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam... On July 11 2013 14:12 FirmTofu wrote: Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam... While Onegu's claim is both nonsensical and then super townie and trustworthy: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2013 15:02 FirmTofu wrote: Are you serious? His roleclaim doesn't make any sense. What do you think his role is supposed to do and why would you assume he is town automatically? Let's analyze this shit! On July 11 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote: PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: Do Not Nuke Alakaslam Or Onegu On July 11 2013 15:09 FirmTofu wrote: Nah, he's almost confirmed town at this point. All of his posts are consistent with his claim. Unless he was planning to claim this until early Day 1, I don't see him lying about this. I'm gonna stop just pulling posts. He has gone role CRAZY. Ace is lying because of roles. You and oats can confirm each other or not confirm each other off of roles. He's finishing for number of shots. Hates jampi and snb's claims. AAAAAAAAAH. It's just so much nonsense. It's too nonsensical to really just look plain ol' scummy, but it looks like he just dove off the deep end. Trusting things randomly, distrusting others randomly, trying to get certain people lynched/nuked when he was more timid D1. (3)Has magical extra knowledge about radiation? On July 11 2013 17:12 FirmTofu wrote: I think you will be notified, but you might want to ask the host to make sure. I'm thinking you two should be visiting each other until you get the notification(assuming Artanis confirms). (Might want to ask the hosts to make sure indicates FirmTofu hasn't asked the hosts, doesn't actually have a way to know this) My takeaway is that it's all wonky and makes no sense but not explicitly in a scummy manner. All of a sudden once things picked up today he gets really, really involved, but that may just be because of a particular role or the people involved interest him or whatever. Way way way more involved than the DI/ON lynch. I dunno, I'm slightly fried, are you coming to particular conclusions about his change in posting? | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:58 geript wrote: ...................Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi: 1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears. 2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers. 3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!! 4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum. 5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him. Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really. And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes. As a matter of fact: ##defend jampidampi Let's get a lynch contest going. | ||
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You assume he becomes "superpowered," which people keep saying, but I don't think that word means what they think it means. Nobody yet has claimed to gain superpowers from being nuked, and that makes no sense. You assume there's an "infinite vig" for no reason. You just...the whole situation is still the same. Now what, we lynch him? And he either flips town or scum. You didn't do anything but kick a can down the road, as far as my initial thoughts play out. Going "we don't know if he's town or scum" is meaningless, because we still don't, and ....... whargl blargl. That's about it. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:09 geript wrote: Yes, there is absolutely no downside to presenting an extra lynch option to the thread with 3 hours left to play in a game full of lurk.Except now people have to decide who they want to lynch instead of bandwagoning. So we actually get information. Besides, look at Jampi's first post. He's suspicious of Maju. No way in hell Maju fires a nuke at fellow scum unless it's in their benefit (in which case we want it stopped). There's literally no detriment to this play. Moreover, your entire reasoning for doing this was flawed on a NUMBER of fronts. Where flawed = you are making assumptions that are almost certainly false. It's done, we'll deal with it, but...I do not and almost certainly will not believe this was a good play. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Ace wrote: Very little on D1. After rayn's bit, jampidampi explodes in posting.How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this. Nothing else interested him, but that does, and he posts a good bit, some big posts on it. To me, that was a signal that he either sees an easy townie to throw dirt on, OR (and I don't think I really love this, but it's a thought) he knows that rayn is lying and is actively involved in the unclaimed nuke, therefore...interested in its being claimed by another person? He goes from very little --> posting all sorts of stuff about rayn --> nothing else. Beyond that, his post-nuke play is to get pissed at being nuked, fine, but then not do much. He calls out maju as a "terrible nuker," notes that maju nuked him over maju's own biggest scumread, but he doesn't...do anything with that. All his post-nuke posts are just "buncha people claimed unstable nukes, why not a bunch of immune ones" and "gumshoe gone for a long time, why not nuke him instead?" | ||
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