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To the extent you're arguing that DI began the game with faux-trolliness (which is how I read your take on DI's early posts), he's saying if DI is going to fake his town game, he would also be faking trolly/disruptive posts throughout D1. As in, "If this were scumDI, putting on a troll show for his natural town predators who would want to lynch not-trolly DI, then why isn't scumDI continuing to be trolly, when it would be so easy?" I think. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote: All you said previously was:MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read, including, but not limited to, whether you guys still agree on things? On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things. Verdict: Probably Town | ||
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On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: His case feels a little weak:And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null. I'm gonna go answer your questions now. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Which exchanges in particular had you scummy on rayn/what posts pull you back the other way? I don't care oodles and oodles about changed minds, but it helps to actually know where your mind was and is.Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:19 Alakaslam wrote: Hmmmm. I guess what I'm asking is...you say that your vote is based upon MZ/rayn exchanges, that rayn has contributed good info, and that reading rayn's filter made you townier on him.Well, one is not reading total and complete filters, and seeing that M_Z quoted stuff rayn was saying, I forgot that I was seeing one side mostly. Reading rayn's filter absolved that. I know it is simplistic and bad but it is true. This game is a normal sized game, so there are a lot of filters to see but a lot of them are empty. So no info. Then those filters that do have something already have 4-6 pages! So I tried to get an idea quick but really I should just be working. Keep up the questions, I want to be guided on what to look for. I will still look or stuff on my own of course. Also: everything TL I do from my iPhone except in very rare cases. A lot of times I try to put "of". For whatever reason it has been correcting this to "I". So anywhere that of would make more sense than I you are probably right. Which tells us what you think about rayn, to some extent. But ... I need you to go a level deeper. Is there a particular rayn/MZ exchange, set of posts, something, that gave you a scummy vibe on rayn? A specific topic where rayn's thoughts were scummy to you? What's the single best piece of info rayn has contributed? Is there a particular post or two in rayn's filter that made you townie on him? It would really help if you dive a level deeper on your comments about rayn, because it's difficult to see where your posts are coming from if you stay at the "reading rayn's filter absolved that" level. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote: RAWR. I AM THE MILD TASTE TACITURN.austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you. Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ? Welcome to thread. Maybe I'll get to call you scum later. For now, when you finish reading through things and give some general thoughts, please give OriginalName a read in particular, and let me know what flavor his filter would be if all our filters were Jell-O Instant Pudding | ||
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I'm still hoping this game has medic nukes and DT nukes and whatnot. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:58 Ace wrote: The never-wrong poemhunter.com says this checks out.rayne comes from the sky Rain, Rain, Rain, come again and again, In the winter, in the summer and in spring, Come with joy, fall with happiness and go with sorrow, Rain, Rain, Rain come again and again. also dont think he is scummy. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: If Ace is scum and we don't have one super mega leading candidate because of good case/trustable check/etc. etc., why would he advocate no-lynching?Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Given the lack of clear target, scum could easily push a lynch onto a townie with a small amount of work and like...two or three votes max probably. Because it's just plurality lynch and is currently dis-organized, there's no reason for scum to try for a "no-lynch" when they could get a lynch on a townie. Moreover, I don't read Ace's post as pushing for a no-lynch.
We don't know all the roles and rules here, but we DO know that Dude X getting nuked does not mean that Dude X will die, for a number of reasons. | ||
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On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote: As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this.austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game". Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself. Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm. Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something. I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day. As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now. | ||
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Especially when we're converting things like "Chezinu" to other languages, there's no reason to bother doing that and it just makes things more complicated than they need to be. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:39 Z-BosoN wrote: DI is more of a known quantity and therefore his uselessness/lurkiness/early posts can be compared to his behavior in other games or what people expect out of him. If anyone disagrees with this bit on chezinu, please step up. Regarding dande lion, why do so many people want to lynch him for being useless and not Abenson and caucasianasian, who are even more useless? Can anyone please be clear on this? Afaik, abenson and caucasianasian are not in that boat. Also, while I like Dandel Ion, caucasianasian is a much better name and is fun to write. If he dies, we are unlikely to type out his name. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:44 geript wrote: If it's on DI, then I think it has the possibility to be a mislynch. My gut read on DI's entrance to the thread was ACTUALLY that it was scummy, because it felt like it was unnecessary to be active/trolly when the rest of the thread was, and so it was more to be able to say "see, here's an active/trolly start from me before I got down to business, just like you guys saw days ago in PTP."You're still being useless. Doesn't this look like a mislynch? That has passed since he's not around. Based on that gut read of his entrance into thread, I'm actually not convinced he'd be a mislynch. If the lynch is on chezinu, I think it's a mislynch. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:54 Z-BosoN wrote: I kinda share geripts sentiment that dandel's wagon took off really damn fast in contrast to the other lurkers If we can't come up with a non-policy lynch, then I'ma hop on with caucasianasian @austin No comment on the case I wrote on you? On July 09 2013 03:09 austinmcc wrote: As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this. Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something. I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day. As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now. This bit of one of your posts on me: On July 09 2013 03:17 Z-BosoN wrote: it's very easy and convenient to say: "just look at my meta and you will see that [ . . . ]", because obviously no one is gonna open his earlier games and check on whether that's true or not. is entirely true. You limited it to scum, but regardless of my alignment, no one is opening my earlier games to check on whether what they're saying is true. You think I'm usually active, looking very townie, etc. I am just pointing out that, within a specific large game that you remember, this exact same thing happened. I posted a bunch at the very end of D1, during N1, and during D2. I got called out on my D1 play, collected some votes and some other people WANTING to push my lynch (marv brought it up a couple times but never voted). What I am saying, and the reason I mentioned that game, is that you are misremembering exactly what happened in a game/some games. If you go back and actually read the games you remember, you SHOULD see that I am generally not terribly active/leader-y in large games on D1. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: Bleh. I really can't tell if austin is scummy or just being absolutely useless. Practically every game we've played together I've found him scummy on day 1 and he turned out just to be useless. Like, see how he's been posting in that other game he's in and not this one? Not caring about this one? Yeah, scummy as shit, except he did the same thing in rock band as town. On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote: Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see. Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. For anyone wanting to vote me because of inactivity/not looking super townie on D1, I can understand that. But good lord if you're going to do that because you think normally I look super townie on D1, please check and make sure you are correctly remembering games. Off the top of my head, I know that Liquid City and ... Movie Star Mini involved me doing jack all D1 and looking scummy, believe Rock Band and some game where Marv smurfed as Fivetouch and I didn't really do anything all game but argue with him as well. Doesn't make it a good way to play or a townie way to play. But stop presenting as fact that I always/usually look magically townie on D1. On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote: This is fine. All I'm trying to say is, I think you're not recalling things properly, and while I don't claim to be super-townie, I do claim to not be playing out of the ordinary. I don't care if I look scummy right now, I can and will fix that. I care if the only reason I look scummy is for doing something that is a common occurrence.Ok, last thing before I leave. I dunno man, you reek of disinterest this game. Even if you haven't yet made long and aggressive posts, the attitude you display here building up to the end of d1 is totally different than from what I recall. You also make easy posts here, discussing meta, whatever Ace might have meant, and what not, but when it comes to actually trying to find scum, I find your posting here lacking. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:28 Xatalos wrote: Yes, I absolutely should, and it's not close to the best thing I can do for town. Voting me for THAT reason is...kinda okay. But for whatever reason it irks me that some of the posts against me have said that I tend to look townie really early on, or that I was absent in PTP and absent here therefore I'm scum, or blah blah. I think all of those posts are stinkypants and lazy, because nobody is actually checking to make sure they're correct.Maybe an even bigger problem I have with you currently is that you make very good and reasonable throughout D1... But instead of scumhunting, you ONLY put in effort when defending yourself. How is that town motivated? As town, you should be looking for scum and not covering yourself cleverly. I got a thing coming. | ||
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In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote: Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update. -Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults! -The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow. -Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage. Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote: Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote: Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote: I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote: Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk (2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote: Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote: If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote: What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler + Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote: Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch."Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Do you see what I see?
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote: So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread. If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again. Stutters has done absolutely shit all. ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever. (6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded: On July 08 2013 06:48 OriginalName wrote: Look at that. He needs to be bristly to find information, push people, gain information, and get scum. I would like for everyone who thinks that ON has done those things today to raise their hands. In real life, raise your hand. In the game, type #raisehand. Seriously. Look at his filter, his impact on this game, and tell me that he's collecting information, doing anything with information, pushing people, or trying to hunt scum.being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. He never calls JW scummy outright. He explicitly says he'll unvote JW after 50 minutes. He mentions lurker lynches multiple times, not just in general, but like "So, who we lynching?" None of that is scumhunting AT ALL. His given reason for the tone of his early posts is a very townie-sounding reason, but unfortunately, he has not lived up to his billing. He's not doing what he says he's doing. And when that thing is scumhunting, it's a 'portant thing to either do or not claim you're doing. That right there is the biggest reason to vote for him. He's doing all these things that maybe he thinks LOOK like scumhunting, but never actually scumhunting. He puts his vote on JW for "pressure," but never actually applies any pressure. After that, he just asks who we're lynching and occasionally chimes in about a thing, so you KNOW that he's not entirely AFK but is reading thread - + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote: @Ace What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote: This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote: he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote: Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote: Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote: I'm voting SLJ For the following reasons I believe them to be scum. -There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour -Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. -Pushing agenda through above method -Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care -Throwing votes down without reason The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets. Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this. #Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront. | ||
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Also, why does that not exist with like...Ned Stark in bed with a MS Paint cigarette. Booooooooooooooo. Seriously though, I'd like to lynch ON. | ||
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