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I'm not thinking that Onegu is scum. Partially dick move analysis and partially because I don't think him admitting to visit FT makes much sense as scum. I'm thinking the last 3 scum are: Alakaslam Chezinu Oats | ||
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On July 19 2013 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Finally. This.... this exactly. GL Town!!!! | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:26 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, you can't necessarily have a bunch of experienced players in every single game taking up every spot---if you want that kind of a game, host an invite only. Putting up with lurkers and general shit play/newbiness is part of what TL Mafia is about and always has been since I've started. Consider someone like BC who would fully advocate ridding every game of players that fit your descriptions. There are people who agree but it's not exactly an easy task and there are probably multiple levels of shit/weird play that some people find acceptable and others don't. Where do you draw a line? I have never seen this sheer level of lurking in a normal game before. Like ever. I don't have any problem with newbies or less experienced players. Lurking is just unacceptable. I really hope that more games actually become invite only if this level of bullshit continues. As well, after this game I'm pretty certain you don't need a 'reputation' to push a lynch---I got the Gumshoe lynch through instead of SnB/Austin and I don't think you'd consider me someone with a reputation----you just need to play/convince better. Obviously this game was particularly difficult in that people simply weren't fucking PLAYING the game, but I don't see how it had anything to do with 'vet' vs not. Obviously I disagree, but there's an important reason why. The Gumshoe lynch was a really weird situation that I don't think you could reproduce. It was what like D4 so there aren't many players. He was kinda lurking and I thought about Rayn's townread on him from D1 and went fuck it, people don't want to lynch who I want to lynch so I'll throw my hat in with WoS because I know he's town and I don't think I can convince him to lynch otherwise. To get a good lynch early on D1-2 definitely and often D3 as well, you need a someone who can throw their reputation behind the lynch or else it doesn't get moving. You're a qt and all, but you balance whine a LOT. It's hard out there for a host. I feel like the setup may have been slightly non-town favoured but again, themed. Nukes flyin' every which way and shit. A whole fuckton of blue roles more than there would normally be. Take it in stride, my friend. The "experienced" to "newer" player ratio isn't something the host can or should control IMO. I'm a full on believer in random role distribution. My point was that after the early kills town didn't have a "rep" guy who could circle the wagons around a lynch. As for game setup/role balance, I think that the hosts hit the exact numbers and roles right on the money honestly. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:31 Oatsmaster wrote: I played absolutely shit and without my role, I wouldve died like day 1/2 Koshi was the main proponent of the CA lynch. Without him pushing, someone might have tried to lynch Chez or whatever. Well you guys killed pretty had good kills and no one listened to me. Koshi would've been your guys end game but you and Chez should've been lynched back to back. I shouldn't have to explain it. I actually feel pretty good about my reads this whole game. I got you wrong early based on your role and Ace wrong early because I trusted Xat instead of Rayn (fml). But when Chez went on that long thing with me and refused to nuke Ace I was 100% sold he was scum. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty sure this was discussed in one of the very first podcasts actually. And I'm pretty sure Geript was actually involved in it. It essentially comes down to the fact that 'vets' are vets for a reason, and have a certain way of doing things that in general make people want to follow their directions. They have shown themselves to be quality players time and time again. That doesn't necessarily mean they are perfect or should always be sheeped or are incapable of fucking up or whatever. I dunno I'm pretty sure in the podcast the 'vet' vs 'noob' bias was debunked somewhat. Solstice what specifically are you referring to in this game about vets being treated differently than others? Here's a great example. On D3 was it, I made perfectly good explanations for lynching Maju despite the nuke. I explained it in full. Yet people thought I was trying to lynch a nuke despite knowing that there are nuke immune roles in the game AND that Rayn had called Ace scum. Ace used pretty words. I used logic. Who won that argument? | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Another thing to think about was how much of this huge thread was productive discussion? I'd say MAYBE 1/4. Is that a result of lack of veterans to herd the town? I don't believe so but I think it's tough to say either way. Honestly, I think that a large majority of the thread was productive. But I'm a player who very much prefers spam to anything else... <3 u Mocsta. | ||
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On July 21 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote: getmoript. I played how I felt I had to play to win as scum. I worked pretty well because even though I posted quite a lot in this thread, nobody pressured me. My role was hidden till the very end. You got to understand that I am really new to this game and that using that to my advantage is not so stupid like you aggressively keep repeating. You are a douchebag. I am really upset after reading this. wtf m8? I tried my best in TL+ as town, first game ever. I tried my best in the Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV and died first night. This is the third game that has finished and I was scum so I had to pretend to be less knowing that I was... Where is all the hate coming from? First off, I'd like to apologize... again. What I said was over the line. I was upset about losing (I really, really, really hate losing). For your early attempt, you played fine. You did what you had to do to not get lynched (and honestly I didn't read anything after I got NKd). Honestly though, like this game will really hurt you because you'll have to not look like dumb/crazy newbie to not get lynched from now on (and if you take into account my experiences, this is exceptionally tough). Plus, if you want to see god awful town play, then you should read LX or PYP4 and my filters will give you about anything you'd want to see. Really, the problem was that we had so many lurkers your "dumb newbie" look made you look more towny than most and you were unlynchable towards the end (in comparison). But don't expect anyone to give you a free pass on this in the future. | ||
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