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On July 15 2013 02:22 Stutters695 wrote:
he's pushing a mislynch on setup speculation Your role LOOKS fake. It's less setup speculation and more things that don't look right about your PM. Everyone else so far is a person, you're a thing. You are allowed to choose a type of nuke to make, even though nothing informs you about types of nukes? Neither of those, ESPECIALLY the second, makes sense. Therefore, more likely than not that you're lying about your role PM.
As far as the silent nuke stuff, that's not speculation as much as just...what I know happened. I saw silent nukes, now I don't today. Most likely conclusion, given that so far we've seen a bunch of technicians that make nukes flip, is that whoever was making silent nukes got shut down. However, if I'm the protestor who shut them down, it's VA and not you.
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On July 15 2013 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol austin you're making so many assumptions with this case its ridiculous.
On July 15 2013 02:28 johnnywup wrote:
have you been paying attention austin
actually yeah I don't know why you're assuming that there's an infinite vig. that would be crazy broken. Yeah, I'm making assumptions.
Either we had one silent nuker with two nukes who could only shoot once per day OR
Two silent nukers and one happened to hold a shot for the second day OR
Someone, scum or 3P, gets a silent nuke each day, and used it to shoot at town
I find the third more likely than the first two. An infinite vig is not crazy broken in a game where multiple people pass out nukes every 2 nights, or at least I don't believe it to be. As of now, based on what we've seen, the only nukes that started off existing were the volatile ones, and we've seen multiple folks flip as technicians. Implying that nukes that didn't start in this game are created.
It's less damning when it doesn't match up with stutters role PM, but you guys know who I raided if I end up killified.
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On July 15 2013 02:39 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 15 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, scratch the silent nuke stuff. My action resolves at the same time a nuke would be made, so me raiding someone means they'd still have any nukes they made.
Raided VA N1. So the silent nukes implicate him, not stutters. Stutters role PM still looks fake, but the silent nukes line up with a raid being successful on VA. I don't follow, how does raiding me implicate that I fired a nuke? Especially when I cannot given my claim? I have no powers. would I receive a notification that I was raided? The answer is in my filter, but yes. So you weren't raided. IM VOTING AUSTIN. IT GOES NOWHERE. Either you're lying or VA is. Targeted him N1.
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On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy.
##unvote
##vote: austinmcc On July 15 2013 02:39 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 15 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, scratch the silent nuke stuff. My action resolves at the same time a nuke would be made, so me raiding someone means they'd still have any nukes they made.
Raided VA N1. So the silent nukes implicate him, not stutters. Stutters role PM still looks fake, but the silent nukes line up with a raid being successful on VA. I don't follow, how does raiding me implicate that I fired a nuke? Especially when I cannot given my claim? I have no powers. would I receive a notification that I was raided? The answer is in my filter, but yes. So you weren't raided. IM VOTING AUSTIN. IT GOES NOWHERE.
One of these things is not like the other.
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On July 15 2013 03:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Austin who do you want to lynch? Still me? I'd like to hear from either missile defense system person definitively whether their role is a person or a place.
Honest answer is I don't effing know right now.
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On July 15 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Austin who do you want to lynch? Still me? I'd like to hear from either missile defense system person definitively whether their role is a person or a place. Honest answer is I don't effing know right now. Let me be more specific.
I'm troubled by Ace's still being alive and his...lack of direction. He had a nuke today, is asking some decent questions for information, but I am expecting him to have more impact than he's having. But he got nuked yesterday, and he had some very townie posts after the nuke. Simplest explanation is that he's townie, but hasn't bee a priority target over more active players, but the fact that he claimed to have a nuke and didn't get killed ain't good.
Geript's actions didn't make sense yesterday, still don't. But he's been so active and I was so confused myself towards the end of yesterday that I don't want to kill him.
I still halfway want to try and find oats scummy, but based on his saves and a number of small, sensible posts in his filter, that just isn't the case. But good lord he wasn't reading thread for a while, and was arguing without rereading or knowing what he himself had done this game, and normally from someone I know to normally follow games, not knowing what's going on is a scumtell. Don't want to lynch though, would prefer to drop my suspicions and be happy to have someone I was really, really confident in being town.
I also secretly want to find sentinel scummy. Replacing in for a lurker, dropping DI who I honestly think would have ended up being yesterday's lynch, puts him safe for the cost of 1 KP, but they make that back up in the lynch (nuke DI, lynch townie, rather than lynch DI and nuke townie). However, he's also had some sensible posts, and it's far far more likely that he's town and nuked scum rather than the paranoid him bussing with the nuke option (BIG NOTE HERE: SO FAR HE IS THE ONLY PERSON TO HAVE CLAIMED A SINGLE NUKE THAT WAS NOT UNSTABLE. EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN A FACTORY, BEEN HANDED A NUKE, OR STARTED THE GAME WITH AN UNSTABLE NUKE).
Chez is...chez. I think lynching him is, to a large extent, a stab in the dark. Not worth it when there are other targets.
I'm still of the mind that someone's got a silent nuke factory, and that VA fits the bill, but I'd rather be able to look him over, consider the whole filter, see who's accused him and not spoken about him, and have a longer discussion about it than we can have today. I can think what I think, but can't really push a lynch based purely on a night action I claim and how I think the game works, especially when I don't have a lot of pull in thread right now with some folks.
So...I come down to three options:
(1) Stutters. Silent nuke stuff doesn't affect him. But that PM reads fake.
(2) snb or onegu. 4 immune one claims. Both onegu and snb posting about superpowers/radiation before things were fully revealed by others, so likely that they ARE immune ones. However, all 4 on one team, especially a role that scum might really be able to use (extra KP from radiation sickness), seems unlikely. Between the two, I think I'd prefer an snb lynch. snb never super mcduper active, but ... his last day or so has felt very lazy when compared to his earlier posts, when most other people are ramping up their interest in the game or trying to figure things out.
(3) gumshoe or CA as lurkers, (possibly Z-Boson but he's been more involved and also has shown that he'll go look through past games (or claim to be doing so) which makes me somewhat townier on him than the others). Between those...
gumshoe was playful most of D1, then absent and now not playful. It may just be me, but because I feel like you have to be more focused on the game when mafia, I find mafia less likely to go inactive. I don't think that holds for everyone. But these posts, despite the hard martyring or whatever, actually read somewhat townie to me:On July 13 2013 05:09 gumshoe wrote:
Also for those who consider my absence neutral, they're wrong, the last time I went afk for ever it was when I rolled scum and crumbled beneath the pressures of subterfuge. So technicaly the meta says I stand by best Korea / : sadly the meta is wrong. So same stick as before, I'll go read much as I can, meantime I'd appreciate if any one has something specific they'd like me to look at. On July 13 2013 05:18 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:13 johnnywup wrote:
Wow man gumshoe, you're really defending yourself well. I think I might have to take you off my scumreads /s The issue at hand is there's nothing to defend, although in most cases this degree of inactivity is neutral, in my case it is not. There is precedent that I cannot deny. Anyone you'd like me to take a gander at? Points out that his last absence was scum when nobody brought that up. Dangerous if scum.
Caucasian constant promises to be around, read game, but never does. Hides behind being drunk, says heOn July 14 2013 02:08 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I read a little bit of ver's guide, and learned a bit. I'll try to do some real analysis tomorrow.
but is constantly pointed out how he's new to text mafia, thread moving fast, etc. etc. All the excuses and stuff would look scummy under Ver's guide and analysis as far as I remember, which actually really makes me not like him. Would rather lynch CA out of the pair.
Pant pant. There are my full thoughts on the lynch, slightly more explicit than I don't know who. I'm a fan of CA or onegu/snb, after taking a bit more time to look through them.
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On July 15 2013 03:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Austin , your role is you can steal a nuke if someone has any? Also, which was the silent nuke day 2, was it the one at Ace? I don't remember. No. See Meapak's role:You are a War Protestor! You're tired of nukes and just want them to stop. Once per night, you may choose to raid a player. If that player has the capability to create nukes, his facility will be destroyed. Targeted VA N1, stutters N2.
On July 15 2013 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote:On July 15 2013 03:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Austin who do you want to lynch? Still me? I'd like to hear from either missile defense system person definitively whether their role is a person or a place. Honest answer is I don't effing know right now. what?
D1: OriginalName as North-Korean Technician
D1: TanGeng as Xi JingPeng
D1: Nirvana.Gabo as Medic
N1: raynpelikoneet as Kenpachi
N1: Meapak_Ziphh as War Protestor
D2: jampidampi as Immune One
D2: XigXag as North-Korean Technician
N2: FirmTofu as Russian Technician
N2: Xalatos as Immune One [/spoiler]All our flips so far have been...people. Technicians, a politican, a medic, kenpachi, a protestor, immune ones. Essentially, all role names have been humans or jobs that humans do.
Stutters claimed:On July 13 2013 07:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Ace your nuke is fake. Here's my real role PM. I changed it to only sometimes fake to try and get NK'd to stop it but I got a PM saying it got raided and destroyed so no need for that anymore.
You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.
Toy store, which is a ... place.
I have been asking you and geript whether your rolename is a person or a place. I guess oats should chime in too. If you/geript/oats all have people or jobs for roles, "missile defense operator" or something like that, then stutters's claim reads more fake to me than it already does. I hate the "nuke type" bit with no explanation, don't believe that to be a true/full PM. And if you guys are people/jobs, then his "Toy Store" claim ALSO doesn't fit well with what we know, adding another level of "doesn't seem true" to the claim.
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On July 15 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu isn't scum.
Pretty sure CA isn't either; people were saying that he played the TL+ game exactly this way as well as town.
I could do SnB, but I haven't seen enough of his play in other games to know his meta.
Everyone voting Austin or MG needs to really think about what they're doing right now. I just don't like relying on meta that much, especially if it's a one or two game town meta based on "He posted that he was drunk a lot and then didn't do much, despite making promises that he'd have hours to devote the on x day or y day."
I'd be grinning ear to ear every time I rolled mafia if that were my town meta. Post drunk, sheep whatever, ta da!
snb has been entirely inactive, modkilled or warned, in at least a couple games I've played with him. But generally i've found him to be more impactful in his town games, where even if he's not super active his posts are reasoned, affect something in the thread and give his actual thoughts. Would rather focus on what he's doing in this game though than in past ones, but ymmv.
From what I remember, he was town and more active in Aperture 2, town and more active in ... movie star mini? He was scum and extremely lurky after a while in Chrono Trigger. I think barely played in like...GSL mini 2 and PTP4?
I'ma go look em over. Also, are you a people role or a place role?
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strongandbig's reads/notes this game:
scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc,
town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?,
As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today:On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote:
I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin.
I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie.
If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one.
in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju.
I wanted to compare that to some recent past games.
Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think)
scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos,
town - rayn,
3P - palmar
(Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P).
Carnival Cruise (snb scum)
scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush,
town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS
Boardwalk Empire (town)
scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax
town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi,
RED Team's Prize (town)
scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone,
town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1),
screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler +On March 30 2013 07:40 strongandbig wrote:
sinani206
Grackaroni
Nisani201
marvellosity
Oatsmaster
Acrofales
Dandel Ion
Keirathi
raynpelikoneet
strongandbig
Palmar
cDgCorazon
Hapahauli
prplhz
ObviousOne
InsertSmurfHere
The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc.
(1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks.
(2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games.
(3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy.
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On July 15 2013 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:39 Ace wrote:
@WoS: Makes 0 sense to lynch geript today. Not unless Maju flips Scum.
Onegu/SNB; Again, 4 people claimed IO. 2 of them have died and flip Town. If you believe all 4 of them are town and can spread radiation then say so. If not, then one of SNB/Onegu must be scum.
If the nuke on Maju lands and is not real, we lynch him tomorrow. If it lands and is real he dies, and we lynch Stutters for lying. It makes no sense voting for him right now. Ugh. It's so simple I basically can't refuse but that makes me so goddamn paranoid I'm ripping my hair out.
+9001
If ace is town, hooray. If ace is maybe scum, then everything I read starts looking like ace is directing weird scum plays
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(Didn't look at onegu yet, got lazy/convinced)
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On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum You ever check on why someone else is CERTAIN you'd have been notified I raided you if hosts won't say?
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On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum You're sure I'm scum. How do you feel about snb?
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On July 15 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:35 austinmcc wrote:On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum You're sure I'm scum. How do you feel about snb? mislynch Why? Why do you read him as town?
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So he's either a mislynch (town) or scum bussing (scum). Congratulations, snb is almost certainly town or scum. What do you think he is and WHY?
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On July 15 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 15 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 15 2013 05:35 austinmcc wrote:On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum You're sure I'm scum. How do you feel about snb? mislynch Why? Why do you read him as town? I don't read him as town, I just don't trust these last second bandwagons especially the people that are on it. I was the first person to write a case on SnB or at least one of the first to draw suspicion on him, it's only then that people started coming out of the woodwork to throw shit at him. That's scummy. See, I asked because I looked through your filter for talk about him. Here's what you've written:On July 12 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
Good news is, as I expected there are roles that go both ways. One immune down, 3 to go. There are immune scum/fake claimers for sure On July 12 2013 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 07:17 Ace wrote:
I may. MG is still the prime target but I'm going to have to break some stuff down because the way I've been playing up to now I've focused some of the past few days on players in that list with the exception of the lurkers. I want your opinion on strongandbig, I think his immune one claim is fake and he's playing like he did in carnival. You hosted it, thoughts? On July 12 2013 07:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? That isn't necessarily townie. Recall roulette where your whole scumteam was basically on random votes the entire first couple days. It's actually a great way to fly under the radar. I was referring more to the fact of his reasoning that he just lets his team do the dirty work. It seems like there are a few active scum, and he pops in once in a while to say random stuff then leaves. You seem to mainly be focused on picking out one of the immune ones. You go with snb (good). You think he's playing like he did in carnival, and you think he pops in from time to time and then dips. That is ALL you've said about him.
Queue today. Where, by the way, he's a lynch candidate. People have been discussing him for hours. His name came up in Onegu/snb splits before, specifically from ace and I think others.
Do you know how many words you typed about him? None. You called me out because the hosts wouldn't answer whether you'd be notified of a raid. But you didn't say word one about him, despite having him as scummy earlier. You think he's either town or scum, but don't care to chime in on the discussion and don't care to expand upon your old thoughts. How is his alignment not important to figure out? How is he either a mislynch or scum being bussed? That's it? This is a lynch. You have a vote. You think I'm scum. But you don't deem it important to figure out which option of those he might be?
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Like, maybe you don't want setup speculation, but here's are vayne's reads/votes/conduct as relates to this lynch:On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. On July 09 2013 02:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
man I just read like 5 gazillion pages, I am sure all scum have some sort of fakeclaim so lets not get caught up in that again like in basterd mini. Its completely meaningless.
Whoever asked about why Chezinu explaining his mechanics makes him town is because it seemed like a desperation move that only town would use to try to survive, he put down his trolling facade for a couple posts and put in some food for thought. That's enough to let me see him live another day to figure out what exactly he's doing. Switching my vote to Dandel.
##unvote
##vote: dandel ion Chezinu is town, DI is scum.
On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? ... Chezinu lol ...
chezinu is lol
On July 13 2013 08:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I am fairly certain Chezinu is scum at this point, solid gut read and I am usually good with these. im like 95% sure Gut read. No reasoning. He was town, then lol, now scum.
+ Show Spoiler [That post where you "analyze&quo…] +On July 13 2013 08:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 07:00 s0Lstice wrote:
TARGET LOCKED IN. FINAL COUNT.
geript (0): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
johnnywup (0): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, WaveofShadow, TanGeng, Abenson, OriginalName
Chezinu (2): raynepelikoneet, Onegu, Ace, TanGeng, Abenson, Xatalos,
raynpelikoneet, jampidampi, gumshoe
WaveofShadow (0): geript, johnnywup
Onegu (1): Nirvana.Gabo, MajuGarzett
austinmcc (0): Xatalos
raynepelikoneet (0): Alakaslam
Z-BosoN (0): Chezinu
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana.Gabo (1): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, jampidampi
ghost_403 (0): Alakaslam, Chezinu
VayneAuthority (2): FirmTofu, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, FirmTofu, Chezinu
CaucasianAsian (1): geript, Z-BosoN
Oatsmaster (0): Chezinu
jampidampi (0): Chezinu
OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
Alakaslam (0): geript
TARGET: OriginalName has been obliterated! alright so lets roll through this finally, just some food for thought. On the ON lynch we have rayn, Xat, and Tang who flipped town. We also have Dandel/xig which flipped scum. To switch the lynch, which is between Chezinu and dandel (which was a scum or scum lynch btw) austin comes in and drops a case on ON as things are looking dire. Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself. After a few more town like rayn are on aboard, a firestorm of votes begins. Now that we know who is town in those votes... First voter - Austin = scum. second voter - Chezinu = scum. third voter - Rayn = town. fourth voter - dandel = scum. fifth voter - Xat = town. sixth voter - FirmTofu = town. now where it gets interesting. Alaskazam votes for it then immediately goes back to a useless lynch, realizing that they don't need his vote and he does not want to be associated with this lynch. Alaskazam = scum. The remaining = Geript, ghost(Koshi), Gumshoe, Johnnywup, Onegu Most of the scum have got to be here -_- doubt its the ones towards the end because there's no reason to vote onto a mislynch after its already secured. Obviously I am wrong on some of these reads but lets really look into their motives here...
On July 13 2013 09:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
All I know is that we need a chezinu or austin flip and I would much rather flip chezinu since austin has a higher chance of flipping town Today, you want to flip chez or I. You think I'm a higher chance to flip town
On July 14 2013 06:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
I gave reasons why chezinu is scum, its not just a gut read. I don't know how you have a scum read on me after all that has happened this game. Nope. No reasons. In fact you SAID it was a gut read.
On July 15 2013 00:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
ill be on Chezinu, dude is scum. It's not a coincidence that he would vote for ON and not dandel to save himself, the case is in my filter somewhere. 95% sure.
#vote: Chezinu
Then you abandon chez, without mentioning him again as a candidate, to jump on me.
On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy.
##unvote
##vote: austinmcc Because the mods wouldn't tell you about notifications. Which says nothing about my alignment.
On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum
Now i'm definitely scum
So what I see is chezinu is scum because gut read, but guys it's not just a gut read. Austin is more likely town than chezinu, but now he's definitely scum because the mods won't answer a question of mine one way or the other. snb is EITHER town or scum but I don't care to talk about him at all today.
That's your filter. Thanks for contributing your reads and rationale for your votes, and for commenting about snb, who...by the way, is important to the lynch today.
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On July 15 2013 05:49 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:47 geript wrote:KNOWLEDGE NUKE INCOMINGOk so a few things to start off with. I've been exploring the idea of Dandel being bussed. The anti-DI lynch came primarily from Rayn and myself and Xat got on board as well and we were looking for an alternative lynch here. The basic responses that were given were: On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:DI is more of a known quantity and therefore his uselessness/lurkiness/early posts can be compared to his behavior in other games or what people expect out of him.
Afaik, abenson and caucasianasian are not in that boat. Also, while I like Dandel Ion, caucasianasian is a much better name and is fun to write. If he dies, we are unlikely to type out his name. On July 09 2013 03:44 Stutters695 wrote:
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post of the thread On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:If it's on DI, then I think it has the possibility to be a mislynch. My gut read on DI's entrance to the thread was ACTUALLY that it was scummy, because it felt like it was unnecessary to be active/trolly when the rest of the thread was, and so it was more to be able to say "see, here's an active/trolly start from me before I got down to business, just like you guys saw days ago in PTP."
That has passed since he's not around. Based on that gut read of his entrance into thread, I'm actually not convinced he'd be a mislynch.
If the lynch is on chezinu, I think it's a mislynch. On July 09 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel's last scum game consisted of typing lawl and u mad? and fake claiming SK until he was finally lynched
so yea On July 09 2013 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
lool nice post of the thread stutters. who you gonna vote for boy DI. He's scum I post these for one very simple reason. There's a huge switch after the ON case by Austin here. The specific thing that I want to draw your attention to on austin is the huge switch in attitude in a short manner of time. On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote: First DI Accusation On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Second DI Accusation On July 09 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:ON Case I don't know about you guys, but there are a few things that stick out as being exceptionally suspicious to me here. First, it takes me a while to put a case together. Like a long time to type and cross reference and make sure things make sense etc. and that case wasn't exactly short, so for austin to pump that out he must not have put a load of time into it. I find this important because it tells me that he has vested interest in shifting the lynch off of DI and onto someone else. Second, Austin was thinking that DI was actually scummy yet he pulls ON out of his hat to say "Hey I want to lynch this guy right now instead." But if DI is scummy, why doesn't he do anything at all to try and push the DI as scum read instead of give tacit "scummy bro is scummy" comments. Third, austin had previous thought negatively of ON + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. but my issue with it isn't that he came up before OR that he hadn't come up before. Rather it's that at no point did he actively actually try to push the ON read on anyone. There's no attempt to actually bounce his ideas off of other people and try to get them to see what he's seeing. This tells me that austin doesn't want in any way to take any sort of leadership or responsibility for a lynch.TLDR edition You can add this to Xat's points, but Austin should be the next lynch for sure (after Maju) or be nuked. I have to get up in 2-3 hours to go work a race then work. I'll be back for a bit tomorrow and later on to post the others. FWIW I'm far less sure that Koshi is scum and I think I may have been overreacting after reading his filter. Have people forgotten about this? Or the reasons why Rayn thought Austin was scum? Or the reasons why Xat thought that Austin was scum? Is there a reason why the second lynch option isn't Austin? (Just gonna point out that, SO FAR, rayn is 0-1 on his scumreads from his claim being scum) (And that xat is also wrong)
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On July 15 2013 06:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:57 austinmcc wrote:On July 15 2013 05:49 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 13:47 geript wrote:KNOWLEDGE NUKE INCOMINGOk so a few things to start off with. I've been exploring the idea of Dandel being bussed. The anti-DI lynch came primarily from Rayn and myself and Xat got on board as well and we were looking for an alternative lynch here. The basic responses that were given were: On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:DI is more of a known quantity and therefore his uselessness/lurkiness/early posts can be compared to his behavior in other games or what people expect out of him.
Afaik, abenson and caucasianasian are not in that boat. Also, while I like Dandel Ion, caucasianasian is a much better name and is fun to write. If he dies, we are unlikely to type out his name. On July 09 2013 03:44 Stutters695 wrote:
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post of the thread On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:If it's on DI, then I think it has the possibility to be a mislynch. My gut read on DI's entrance to the thread was ACTUALLY that it was scummy, because it felt like it was unnecessary to be active/trolly when the rest of the thread was, and so it was more to be able to say "see, here's an active/trolly start from me before I got down to business, just like you guys saw days ago in PTP."
That has passed since he's not around. Based on that gut read of his entrance into thread, I'm actually not convinced he'd be a mislynch.
If the lynch is on chezinu, I think it's a mislynch. On July 09 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel's last scum game consisted of typing lawl and u mad? and fake claiming SK until he was finally lynched
so yea On July 09 2013 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
lool nice post of the thread stutters. who you gonna vote for boy DI. He's scum I post these for one very simple reason. There's a huge switch after the ON case by Austin here. The specific thing that I want to draw your attention to on austin is the huge switch in attitude in a short manner of time. On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote: First DI Accusation On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Second DI Accusation On July 09 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:ON Case I don't know about you guys, but there are a few things that stick out as being exceptionally suspicious to me here. First, it takes me a while to put a case together. Like a long time to type and cross reference and make sure things make sense etc. and that case wasn't exactly short, so for austin to pump that out he must not have put a load of time into it. I find this important because it tells me that he has vested interest in shifting the lynch off of DI and onto someone else. Second, Austin was thinking that DI was actually scummy yet he pulls ON out of his hat to say "Hey I want to lynch this guy right now instead." But if DI is scummy, why doesn't he do anything at all to try and push the DI as scum read instead of give tacit "scummy bro is scummy" comments. Third, austin had previous thought negatively of ON + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. but my issue with it isn't that he came up before OR that he hadn't come up before. Rather it's that at no point did he actively actually try to push the ON read on anyone. There's no attempt to actually bounce his ideas off of other people and try to get them to see what he's seeing. This tells me that austin doesn't want in any way to take any sort of leadership or responsibility for a lynch.TLDR edition You can add this to Xat's points, but Austin should be the next lynch for sure (after Maju) or be nuked. I have to get up in 2-3 hours to go work a race then work. I'll be back for a bit tomorrow and later on to post the others. FWIW I'm far less sure that Koshi is scum and I think I may have been overreacting after reading his filter. Have people forgotten about this? Or the reasons why Rayn thought Austin was scum? Or the reasons why Xat thought that Austin was scum? Is there a reason why the second lynch option isn't Austin? (Just gonna point out that, SO FAR, rayn is 0-1 on his scumreads from his claim being scum) (And that xat is also wrong) Or just don't address it and ignore it. That makes you totally towny... /sarcasm I addressed rayn's. He thought my reaction was scummy, I think a different reaction would be scummy.
I addressed xatalos's accusation earlier today. Some of what he found scummy is just...stuff I did. Asking him for reads, etc. The stuff that's not just "he did this thing and I think he's scum so this thing is scummy" was addressed in my post, lemme know what point you want me to talk about if you're not satisfied.
As far as your accusations, you're looking at the DI/ON lynch in particular. Yes, I thought DI was scummy, but I also thought ON was scummy. Maybe I back away a little bit because I don't want leadership/responsibility for the lynch. Maybe I back away because HOLY HELL SO MANY VOTES ARE CHANGING AND FOR NO OR AWFUL REASONS AND SO MAYBE THIS ISN'T GOOD. Mainly though, looking back at the day, it's DI's responses during the lynch itself that made me really, really sure on him. Didn't notice it at the time.
If you think that I'm just trying to find a DI alternative, then I need to ask, why do I vote DI D2? I want to save him and then bus him the next day? I don't even try to vote someone else/see where the day goes? Why save him and then immediately "bus" him in your mind?
You also bring up that I hadn't asked people about ON, talked about my read, etc. In saying that, you're ignoring me asking multiple people about ON D1, as I was mulling him over. Nobody saw fit to respond. + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote:
MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read? On July 08 2013 08:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote:
MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read, including, but not limited to, whether you guys still agree on things? All you said previously was: Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things.
Verdict: Probably Town
On July 08 2013 09:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.
Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?
RAWR. I AM THE MILD TASTE TACITURN. Welcome to thread. Maybe I'll get to call you scum later. For now, when you finish reading through things and give some general thoughts, please give OriginalName a read in particular, and let me know what flavor his filter would be if all our filters were Jell-O Instant Pudding On July 08 2013 10:43 austinmcc wrote:
MZ. You were "probably town" on ON in your read list because he agreed with you/made sense. Could you be more specific and flesh out your thoughts there?
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