Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII

On June 18 2013 16:35 Onegu wrote:
/in

Maybe this game I wont be only scum left after day one :-)

On June 21 2013 13:25 Umasi wrote:


uuh, it's irrelevant, and you just try to read the player the case was built on normally, right?

On June 22 2013 12:18 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


Easiest scum read of my life.

On June 22 2013 12:27 s0Lstice wrote:
is that the laguerta or whatever guy again?

On June 22 2013 12:29 hzflank wrote:
Well, if you let him in then it makes the day 1 lynch an easy decision.

On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote:
Scum Hunt Day 1:

Analysis: Trying to appear friendly with an innocuous greeting. Seems to project an air of insecurity.
Preliminary Conclusion: Scum


Analysis: Neutral statement of fact.
Preliminary Conclusion: Need more information.


Analysis: Exudes power with strong capitalization techniques along with a greeting.
Preliminary Conclusion: A leader with a powerful role.


Analysis: Trying to establish a connection with a player that he has interacted with prior to this game. A metagaming, manipulative sort of move.
Preliminary Conclusion: Scummy


Analysis: First baseless accusation. As the old chinese proverb states, "He who smelt it, dealt it."
Preliminary Conclusion: Scum

Suggested Lynch: Chromatically

On June 24 2013 11:36 Chromatically wrote:
Alright, I see. What do you think of Xzavier so far?

On June 24 2013 12:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


We have differing definitions of spam. For me, multiple posts of one-liners are spam. The first question you responded to didn't necessitate the response it got.

For reference:



Kind of an over-reaction, no? You seem to be getting really defensive at everyone who mentions your name.

On June 24 2013 12:43 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


When I first read the role descriptions, I thought the town roles were actually very powerful. Granted there's a bit of noise with the NN, but if the watcher correctly guesses who the mafia is killing, that's a guaranteed red name in his or her pocket. Tracker, I'm inclined to agree with you on, but I'm sure a good player will be able to get significant mileage out of that role, especially as it gets down to 2 mafia and the Tracker has a 50/50 shot at picking the person delivering the KP if they have good reads on who is scum.

Just making sure you understand the significant power of these roles in case this was a cry for help from a player who isn't sure how to wield their hammer.

On June 25 2013 02:53 hzflank wrote:
I've been waiting for particular posts from Aquanim and Chromatically, which they have now made.

That's a pretty flimsy case that Chrom has made against me. There is no reason to think that I would make a casual opening post when by the time I joined the game there were already five other casual opening posts. I think the game strategy stuff (regarding NN) was as good a discussion as any as it is actually important to the game.

Up until this point I have in no way cared as to whether or not I look scummy, and since I got my scum read from Aquanim's first post it made sense for me to wait until there was a case made against someone before I posted this. It's about time that the scum try to get a wagon rolling and I am happy enough for that wagon to be on me, so I will even help scum Chromatically by ensuring that scum Aquanim also votes for me. Here is my take on the important parts of day 1 so far:

Hurricane is the first to discuss the NN claiming.

+ Show Spoiler +

I wont go into my game theory here but can do in another post if people request, however I absolutely believe that the NN declaring is something that the scum would want. There were several people that disagreed with NN claiming, but importantly no one declared Hurricane to be especially scummy for making the post.

Aquanim then makes a first post that is clever scum. + Show Spoiler +

Aquanim hopes that he can get a few town to agree that the NN should out themselves. Then his scumbuddies can also agree and the NN might claim, giving an advantage to the scum team. Since Hurricane did not get a hard time, Aquanim does not think that he will be lynched for being the first to make the suggestion. Aquanim is fairly sure that when the time comes he can rely on Hurricanes vote for NN to claim, so he really only needs two more town votes, which makes it worth a try.

Aqua's scumbuddy, Chromatically, has already said that the NN claiming is a bad idea. Aqua sees a chance to make a good play here and throws a weak vote on Chromatically. It is still early in the day and there is little chance of a wagon forming. Aqua never intends to leave his vote on Chromatically, but is just creating some distance from him so that it wont look suspicious if Chromatically should change his mind about the NN claim. Ofcourse there is the added bonus that if Chromatically should later flip scum then Aqua can refer to his very first post and claim to be confirmed town.

Next, FirmTofu defends my weak read on him. + Show Spoiler +. The important part about his defence is where he misinterprets my badly written line regarding voting for Spicy. This is my fault as I should have been less ambiguous with my wording, but I hope most people can see what I actually meant. My mistake here makes me a prime target for the scum wagon as there is a reasonable chance that FirmTofu will get on board.

By this point I suspect that either Aqua or Chromatically might put their vote on me, but I cannot say so prematurely, especially since Aqua still has his vote on Chrom. After a little consideration I decide to lurk for a while, as I wanted Chrom to make a post of some sort before I made this claim.

Next we have:


So right after Aqua realised my above mistake with Firm, he asks Firm for his read on Chrom (who aqua still has his vote on). He is either looking for Firm to give him a good reason to think Chrom is town, or he is looking for Firm to give a scum read on me, or both. Either way, Firm is the most likely town to get onto my wagon at this point, so it is good setup.

Here we have Aqua ask Firm again for their opinion on his case on Chromatically. + Show Spoiler +

Remember that this was the case that Aqua put forth in his very first post of the game. It was not a strong case and he knew it would never stand, so it was a good way to both give people a town read on his scumbuddy and also create some distance within the scum team. Firm responds that he thinks Chrom is town, which is exactly what Aqua wanted and why he asked him twice. Aqua has now gotten Firm (the person he thinks he can get to vote for me) to say that the scumbuddy that Aqua has his vote on (Chrom) is town. Well played Aqua.

Shorlty after, Aqua posts this + Show Spoiler +

There he gets in that his read on Chrom is based on feelings rather than evidence. He is telling us that there is no good reason to suspect Chrom while he still has his vote on Chrom. He closed by saying that if Chrom starts to play a good town game then he will move his vote to someone else, which in this case will be the person that Chrom votes for because they are scumbuddies.

Here Aqua mocks Firm for voting due to inactivity because part of their plan was that Firm would vote for me, and he wants to make sure that Firm will move his vote. + Show Spoiler +

Chromatically gets back online and makes this post: + Show Spoiler +

I take that as: 'Okay Aqua, time to unvote me now because I am going to try to start a wagon on someone else and it would not look as good for you to move your vote directly from me to them'.

Surprise surprise, in the very next post Aqua unvotes Chrom, which we all knew would happen after reading Aqua's very first post in this game (where he voted for Chrom). The most important line in this post by Aqua is: 'Those reads were pretty weak, I'd like to see more from you', because that is him paving the way for Chrom to begin the mis-lynch attempt.

And then finally Chrom makes a case against me and votes.

Now, it would be easier for me to vote if I had an individual scum read, but since I am fairly confident that both Aqua and Chrom are scum, I am going to vote for Chrom because I think doing so will force Aqua to take a very strong stance one way or the other. Chrom already has his vote on me, so if I vote Aqua then Chrom does not need to make a decision and can just leave his vote where it is.

##Vote: Chromatically

On June 24 2013 14:43 LoneMeow wrote:


There's this thing called timezones - it's now 07:43 in my current local time...

Regarding to claiming, I'd like to ask that nobody claims. Day 1 claiming is generally not a great idea.



I'd like to note that largely with the exception of this post, you haven't done much scumhunting yourself. Would you care to elaborate on those small things for me?

I do agree about Xzavier feeling scummy though. It first felt like a bit of meta case, as I remember him being very actively townie during day 1 in our last game, but reading through what he's said so far he hasn't really done any hunting so it seems objectively scummy, too.

On June 25 2013 02:47 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

I figured it out Alakaslam is Umasi's cocaine dealer!!!

On June 25 2013 07:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Xzavier, I still don't like your filter. Practically just setup speculation, no scum hunting or reads. I want to lynch you.

I'm not all that comfortable with lynching hzflank, in fact I'd rather not. I read him as town-ish.

StiMaDDict, start participating in some way. Who's your top scum read, why?

fyfy, you say you'd "rather lynch someone scummier", tell me who'd that be?

##Vote: Xzavier

On June 25 2013 12:36 Aquanim wrote:

I'm not interested in lynching any of those three today, if that's what you're asking. I can see the thought process of all three and I can easily see all of it coming from a town mindset, even if I don't agree with a lot of it.

My current suspicions lie with Onegu and Xzavier, since they have posted a fair bit but actually said little to nothing of value.

On June 25 2013 11:05 Chromatically wrote:
Most of the Xzavier stuff is really obvious: look at early day 1 and his filter. He spams a lot, posts things that are meaningless, etc. His posts feel loose and casual, but that could easily be an act.


Here he actually admits that his other posting has been useless, but then adds yet another useless post talking about how "strong" the town roles are by saying a lot of self-evident stuff. He's posting for the sake of posting.

I especially like the part where he says that he'd lynch a claimed parity cop.


The other noteworthy post where he literally says nothing. The first sentence is meaningless.

He promises more activity later, which I never really like to see, particularly when that activity doesn't occur. Maybe it didn't happen because there was no pressure on him?

He ends with a question that doesn't matter because he knows that the deadline is about 2 days away. The exact time doesn't matter at all. I can see a scum Xzav posting this in order to "interact" a little without doing anything.

Everything else in his filter is spam. Look at it yourselves.

##Vote: Xzavier


Keep in mind, as you read Xzav, that this is not a total noob player. I don't want to rely on meta heavily (at all, really), but at least observe the fact that he does know what he's doing as town. He played a strong town game in XLII, but he is anything but that this game. At the very least, he is certainly experienced enough to know not to lynch a claimed blue.

The "noob town" defense doesn't hold water with Xzav because he's clearly capable of being a strong townie.

On June 25 2013 12:36 Aquanim wrote:

I'm not interested in lynching any of those three today, if that's what you're asking. I can see the thought process of all three and I can easily see all of it coming from a town mindset, even if I don't agree with a lot of it.

My current suspicions lie with Onegu and Xzavier, since they have posted a fair bit but actually said little to nothing of value.

On June 25 2013 07:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Xzavier, I still don't like your filter. Practically just setup speculation, no scum hunting or reads. I want to lynch you.

I'm not all that comfortable with lynching hzflank, in fact I'd rather not. I read him as town-ish.

StiMaDDict, start participating in some way. Who's your top scum read, why?

fyfy, you say you'd "rather lynch someone scummier", tell me who'd that be?

##Vote: Xzavier

On June 25 2013 13:44 Chromatically wrote:
I'm not even talking about meta.

The point was just that you are capable of scumhunting.
You're not doing it. Why?

If you really think that Aqua is scum, put some real reasons up.

On June 25 2013 13:30 Chromatically wrote:
Xzav definitely scum.

My point about you being strong town was just that you know how to scumread. It doesn't matter if you were wrong before, I saw how you know what scumhunting looks like and how to do it.

Are you planning on not scumhunting at all this game because it "didn't work out for you" last game? I sure hope not.

Your scumread on Aqua is weakly reasoned. You accuse him of posting nothing and shopping thread sentiment, when you posted nothing and then dropped thread sentiment.

If someone could tell me the actual points against Aqua, that would be nice, because he really doesn't look like the best lynch for today.

Everyone with their vote not on Xzav should move it there or explain why. He's posted fluff when he's clearly capable of scumhunting, and only now comes in with a bad read on Aqua sheeping thread sentiment. He's being extremely defensive in an unnecessary way after one vote on him.

Not to mention how he was clearly active lurking when he responded 5 minutes after my case on him after posting nothing all day.

On June 25 2013 14:45 FirmTofu wrote:

How is calling everyone retarded useful as town? You are quite the character, sir.

On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote:
In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of.



Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu?

On June 25 2013 14:55 FirmTofu wrote:

Well, your statement would be valid if you were referring to a singular person. By calling everyone all you do is piss everyone off and make yourself look like an asshole. Might want to keep that in mind for the future.

On June 25 2013 14:55 FirmTofu wrote:

Well, your statement would be valid if you were referring to a singular person. By calling everyone all you do is piss everyone off and make yourself look like an asshole. Might want to keep that in mind for the future.

On June 25 2013 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey Xzavier, what do you think about Spicy? Would you be willing to switch your vote onto him?

On June 26 2013 02:45 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Reacting to what I just posted, the ideal mafia play if they were down a man and the Aqua bandwagon looked doomed to fail would be to switch to Stim. They'd figure I'd switch my vote, and I think FirmTofu mentioned he found Stim fishy as well. Of course, they wouldn't do this if Stim were mafia.

We're about to see some interesting play, I think.

On June 26 2013 09:15 Aquanim wrote:

Do you seriously not understand why we are voting for you? I think you're scum because you have contributed nothing original in terms of scumhunting to the thread, just poking weak fingers of suspicion at whoever else happens to be suspected by other people at the time.
Explain to me what about this is "silly probably purposely bad logic".

Martyring defences do not impress me. I don't expect you to make a good contribution, I expected you to make a contribution, and I just haven't seen one.