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Looking forward to both! I'm really versed with using my phone, so I have a bit of an edge.... I can keep up on Mafia anywhere there is 3G. | ||
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On June 21 2013 13:23 Alakaslam wrote: Ah, here it is. /in On June 21 2013 13:57 Onegu wrote: you have to / in and the other game you are talking about most likly wont start until after this one is finished. /in /in /in /in :p Sweet, I hope you're right! That'll give me time to keep reading the thread I was told to read. | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Huh. It says 3 or fewer. Learn something new every day I guess. 2 more players it is. GET IN HERRR NEWBIES!! Also I should say now, I have every expectation that people who play in this game go on to play regular games on this forum after graduating from newbtown. There has been a very low graduation rate as of late. TL mafia college not Ivy League. :D I hope to! Heck I expect my second game to be a theme game :p | ||
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Gogogo 1a2a3a4a1a2a3a4a | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:44 geript wrote: The game will be starting tonight in [unparsable timestamp format] Woo woo woo woo! Lesgo. On June 24 2013 03:14 StiMaDDict wrote: Gl Hf ya  On a unrelated note.. LoL community is [snip] stupid and rude. Love Starcraft community, much more mature and polite <3 Not sure I live up to this, I am psycho. But hey, agreed! See you all this evening, Americans! See you all, uh... <insert time here> at that time, all you worldwide folks! :D keep this in mind. "Lurking" may not actually be lurking. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:44 geript wrote: The game will be starting tonight in [unparsable timestamp format] 24 hours before Funday Monday, I just noticed. | ||
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On June 24 2013 07:04 geript wrote: Just as an FYI. Things may be sent out a hair late because I am working tonight and WoS has been kind enough to setup up to send things out and make the Day1 post. Day will not begin until that point. Should the day post be late, the Day 1 lynch deadline will be pushed back some to compensate. Duly noted, thanks for the heads up. EBWOP: "lurking may not actually be lurking" is ridiculous. I meant inactivity. But everyone should post once a day or at least a day cycle as per rules, so... .......... | ||
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On June 24 2013 09:20 Hapahauli wrote: gogo newbies go! Looking forward to it coach! <3 | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote: Quoted Player List for reference: We still have yet to hear from Onegu, fyfy, Alakaslam, and LoneMeow. On June 08 2013 16:07 Blazinghand wrote: sorry am eating dinner will get back to you soon here is screenshot of dinner for proof ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ukN9z.png) I'm doing this from phone, so TY to Blazinghand. Will actually post photo for proof when finished because I'm psycho like that, and cannot yet handle is cleansing and healthy diet of oolong and green teas in white dishware. And because a large American family Sunday dinner is bamcis. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:12 Onegu wrote: Ebwop There are only 3 blue roles for scum so it is 66% they have one. Godfather? They for sure have one right? Or is Rita Repulsa not guaranteed? Faugh! I shall return post dinner. | ||
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So... Going to eat now. I'm taking longest to eat lol | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote: Quoted Player List for reference: [QUOTE]On June 18 2013 14:22 geript wrote: The Players
[/QUOTE] Lurkers: fyfy, Aquanium, LoneMeow, StiMaDDict, Alakaslam (Sorry, I know you said you were eating, but for all intents and purposes, you haven't posted at all.) Let's keep a close watch on these guys before we start voting.[/QUOTE] No no this is fair, I will read up real quick and post something worthwhile. [url=http://imgur.com/jcBflCz][img]http://i.imgur.com/Axm9kMg.jpg[/img][/url] There we are for the meantime. I was the last one to leave the table. I am thinking of how I can establish my innocence. Everyone should be doing this. The more town we confirm, the better off we are finding/accurately reading scum. I also think that I've messed that up, since I actually would like FirmTofu's case against me. I kind of went all Blazinghand, and I'm just not him. + Show Spoiler + Nor am I Kenpachi. But I admire these two, and have only read I swear this is normal mini mafia and Aperture Mafia. So I was being all aloof and whatnot- Mi ne freggo, you know. Note though, both of those games they were Town most of the time. So for establishing MY innocence: I haven't been the best town so far, I posted mostly defensive fluff, and the above in the spoiler. HOWEVER, as making the thread difficult to read is not the best thing for town, I put it in there. You are not obligated to read the contents of the spoiler! But feel free to. I haven't posted much, posting from the table is kind of rude just as is texting from the table. But I managed, and that was probably unwise. I plan to read the thread, and give a case for people IN SPOILERS with a TL;DR above each one so as to keep stuff organized. Remember, scum wants: Confusion, lack of info, and difficulty to read thread. So town: Keep it organized, I will be doing the same, and see you in a couple minutes. Let's go find some scum! | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote: Quoted Player List for reference: Lurkers: fyfy, Aquanium, LoneMeow, StiMaDDict, Alakaslam (Sorry, I know you said you were eating, but for all intents and purposes, you haven't posted at all.) Let's keep a close watch on these guys before we start voting. No no this is fair, I will read up real quick and post something worthwhile. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Axm9kMg.jpg) There we are for the meantime. I was the last one to leave the table. I am thinking of how I can establish my innocence. Everyone should be doing this. The more town we confirm, the better off we are finding/accurately reading scum. I also think that I've messed that up, since I actually would like FirmTofu's case against me. I kind of went all Blazinghand, and I'm just not him. + Show Spoiler + So for establishing MY innocence: I haven't been the best town so far, I posted mostly defensive fluff, and the above in the spoiler. HOWEVER, as making the thread difficult to read is not the best thing for town, I put it in there. You are not obligated to read the contents of the spoiler! But feel free to. I haven't posted much, posting from the table is kind of rude just as is texting from the table. But I managed, and that was probably unwise. I plan to read the thread, and give a case for people IN SPOILERS with a TL;DR above each one so as to keep stuff organized. Remember, scum wants: Confusion, lack of info, and difficulty to read thread. So town: Keep it organized, I will be doing the same, and see you in a couple minutes. Let's go find some scum! EBWOP ARGH YOU FOOLISH FIRMTOFU USE THE PREVIEW FEATURE! + Show Spoiler + Hypocrisy! It's the human way. MAN I am so sorry guys | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:22 hzflank wrote: At the moment I am looking at FirmTofu. His chain of attack and defense looks like: Attack Chromatically Attack Xzavier Attack Hurricane Attack Spicy Defend Hurricane Defend Xzavier Attack Spicy For some reason the defenses seem a little out of place to me, especially the defense on Xzavier. On the other hand I believe Hurricane to be town as if he were scum then he is very brave to make the first post that he did. I am also very aware that I made an slightly extended attack on Spicy, who now seems to be FirmTofu's main target. I am wondering if he thinks Spicy is a good lynch target because he can count on my vote. He has also said twice that we should only use information from this game and not previous games. I think town should have access to as much information as possible in order to lynch scum. Therefore to me, FirmTofu is currently the scummiest player. Doesn't town want to make lots of scum reads early and get people to defend themselves? Proving innocence is a great goal for us, and helps to narrow down the scum list so that no-lynch is less likely to happen. Then again, good point regarding spicy and whatnot. Hopefully, cases will flesh out and things will become clearer. Personally I don't have any reads yet, still reading thread. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote: How is this post in any way organized? This post is just more fluff also I dont know where you are going with any of your thoughts. Onegu, look at all the [expletive] I had to snip from your quote! I messed up, and firm's bbc code sucks. It messed up mine. Erase is a feature I will use from now on. | ||
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@hzflank: yet, so far I can only make town reads. + Show Spoiler + Except: this is not only a stretch but it's "hypocritical"; Ace, one of the more dangerous scum players on TL is coaching. What better way to create fluff than to do what FirmTofu did with bbcode? Not only is it kind of a deliberate mistake (he earased a [\QUOTE] or a part thereof, or added one at the top I think) but it makes anyone quoting him or a quoter te perfect spambot, as you can see! Really clever move if scum. Hard mistake to justify as town, but then, neither Onegu (who I think is town) nor I (who I know is town) hit preview first. Still, he is attacking people and whatnot, which is not really bad for town per say. TL;DR: FirmTofu explain what happened with your bbcode that messed up onegu and my posts. It's pissing me off, I pride myself on being able to manage bbcode from my iPhone, a stressful quad-post in my early days produced that. + Show Spoiler + Tank stacking thread. Anyone willing to run a search on Ace and see if he has done anything like that before? Crap, I can see the hole this makes. If we find that's scum play then MAN, we will have to be careful this game as it's really creative. OMGIS! I fell for a bbcode error?!?? | ||
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On June 24 2013 14:45 Onegu wrote: There will always be a lynch this game, so proveing guilt is always better in this game. Ok- thank you for clearing that up. Well, I went and searched Ace. @him: you post a lot in NBA man! Sure enough, check him out in Roulette. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=Ace Super long posts, disorganized, not using bbcode stuff but who erases a [/quote] and if it was an accident, what was being erased before it that led to that? Will be watching FirmTofu! Who lurks now? It's 11pm and I still post- great point by the local Scandinavian! :D Now, as I requested a Ban from KadaverBB for just this reason back when, and I have work tomorrow, see you all later. Hopefully I can make a better scum hunt then. | ||
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From the post for us newbs: "Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread." I have already messed up in this regard and I apologize. But note some folks have also talked about meta from previous newbie games and I don't think we are allowed to do that either. Will ask In green tomorrow when not trying to go to bed and when at computer. (iPhone) | ||
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On June 24 2013 15:35 Onegu wrote: We are ok since the games we are talking about have finished already. Sweet! Thanks again Onegu. I think I'll read those then- Tomorrow. Man this is worse than angry birds, I am thoroughly addicted. For now here is a list, so ALL of town can meta :D http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412757 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359 Sorry that there is no meta on me, I'm that new. Note that some players may not only have played newbie games. Search their names! How late you want me up, midnight? I get up at 5 tomorrow! Also, check that you don't get into the above error first. | ||
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On June 25 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote: Looking over Alakaslam's filter it is really bad. He posts fluff about dinner promiseing to make real posts after he is finished, but then all he posts is something about bbc code amd the scum coach not really looking into anything real. Why bring up the scum coach? Because what FirmTofu did was so bad it messed US up. (Remember?). So I thought maybe Ace may have coached him to do that and looked him up. He does make super long posts. The stuff of substance was more along the lines of explaining the fluff, yes, but reminding you- that I was stating that I am a rampant fanboy of Blazinghand, Kenpachi, Hapahuli, and Coagulation. I didn't go into that much detail but there it is. So you want substance? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg) Here is Blazinghand's Venn diagram. Lets look at what makes sense about your claims regarding me. On June 24 2013 14:11 Alakaslam wrote: Doesn't town want to make lots of scum reads early and get people to defend themselves? Proving innocence is a great goal for us, and helps to narrow down the scum list so that no-lynch is less likely to happen. Then again, good point regarding spicy and whatnot. Hopefully, cases will flesh out and things will become clearer. Personally I don't have any reads yet, still reading thread. As Scum, does it make ANY sense to point out that we should be accusing each other? Yet I did this. This just does not fall in the category of things it makes sense for scum to do. I do agree that much of what I have posted has been odd. You know where a lot of that comes from? + Show Spoiler + sheeping your corrections of my mistakes bro Which I appreciate but late at night it was killing my confidence. Don't worry about doing that further though. I have nothing to hide. Show me some substantial posts so far! I don't want to drop a deuce on everyone but what HAS been very useful so far? Chromatically has been attacked, hasn't really defended himself yet, but others have defended for him. Odd. Then he came in and kind of defended himself. I have attacked FirmTofu, mostly out of bitterness due to the bbcode. Aqua has been attacked, almost for attacking chromatically and for the same reason you have been and I have been- "inactivity". Note I am bound to be bad town this first game. I have learned much from you my good man. If it helps, you guide my vote until you look scummy. + Show Spoiler + a few questions for you now. Why is it bad to read meta on newbs? Wouldn't a drastic change between games hint at a role switch? And why then does my apology for citing ace cause you to say "we're fine, the games have finished" and then to turn around and call me out for it? And why, why on earth do you cite my fluff when you didn't have the sense to snip the quote either? Should have put "^^ how is this organized Alakaslam?" A it is your case is a bit hypocritical :| . . . | ||
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Well Define: quality. Senseless accusations? No, there are people who have done that that there is suspicion toward. I don't see how that helps. Accusing, from me, is going to require more evidence. I'm sorry, I just don't read people very well (yet), and I don't want to do what I have been doing. Well then, does aiding town count? "Shouldn't town be accusing and whatnot because it establishes innocence and is how you scumhunt etc etc" paraphrase. "Oh meta is allowed? People have decided they want meta? Here you go, last three newbie games, top of page 13! ""Well shit* guys I posted nothing but fluff, really sorry about that" See the above Venn diagram, read my filter, then put it in context reading the thread. It's not scum play it's just try hard bad town. Give me a day/ night cycle and it won't be so bad, more info and I might find one. *earlier I was putting [expletive]. My PC is also linked to my workplace. | ||
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See how I roll? Am I going to make those accusations? Maybe (I'm kind of doing just that) but in this case, it's because he already has a vote, and I am thinking of helping a bandwagon. I WANT firm to show up as town, I am super nervous about mislynching! But I need to make a case it seems, and this is what I got because frankly I don't see any great cases yet. ##Vote: FirmTofu Out because work | ||
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On June 25 2013 01:05 Onegu wrote: It is bad to connect meta on noobs because depending on what worked one game and what didnt work they will change how they play, meta is forming patterns based on peoples play, you cannot form a pattern on what someone did after only 2 -3 games. And I was refering to your asking about ongoing games when I said we are fine because we are citing games already finished, it had nothing to do with who you are citing but what you are asking about. I want you to form cases based on peoples posts and ask questions not go find old games and base you thoughts on what a coach did in one of his old games. ##unvote: FirmTofu. Will try to fix mess after work. | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:12 Spicydinosaur wrote: The bolded part what bothers me. Trying not to make waves is a perfect way to go unnoticed in a game. Too much activity and everyones looking at you, too little and your a lurker who gets a big spotlight on you. Awesome point, work lull so SPICY AND ONEGU YOU ARE SCUMBUDDIES DEFENSE YOURSELFS + Show Spoiler + look at me everyone, LOOK at me and see that I am town! Press me, press me hard because 1. That's how I get better at town and 2. Because I am drawing suspicion as town which doesn't help town. And therefore, in the interests of town, if I am scum I am suiciding! THESE ARE MY TOWNREADS. DO AS THEY DO! Nonetheless, defend yourselves. You've both been attacked (especially you, spicy!). I have made a baseless claim of guilt on you two, nevertheless defend it. Why should I think what I do? Prove yourselves town, then lead it! LETS GO SEE YOU AFTER WORK | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:47 Onegu wrote: Ebwop I figured it out Alakaslam is Umasi's cocaine dealer!!! Sup, you found me + Show Spoiler + hahahahahaha gotta admit I lol'ed On a serious note, I will read. Pleas realize folks I'm not trying to detract from clarity but every time I shut up I'm a lurker. So I wind up posting fluff and weasels like my "case" against Onegu and spicy. That was WHOLLY to make a sarcastic point- that I am town, and between a rock and a hard place because I have weak deductive reasoning. That being said a skim made me think hzflank's case on chromatically interesting, I plan to read it slowly with chromatic ally's replies. Be just a sec. And work, duh, yet where are you stimaddict? | ||
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On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote: In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of. Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? Looooooong day today. Work came up unexpected in a nigh unbelievable way. Still reading , but this caught my eye. Onegu has consistently cleared up my shit, I mean look at the crap I have posted. He pointed out errors in my play so much he alerted me to my shortcomings and alerted the town of potential distraction, as caused by me! Not only is he a strong townread for me, he is my strongest and I stand by that claim to sheep him. Doesn't mean I'm 100%, but pretty close! Will keep reading. Don't expect much until night if I don't get lynched though because my head is even more upside down than when I'm not tired out of my skull | ||
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On June 25 2013 18:48 Onegu wrote: I believe this is his first game of mafia ever irl or forum and he got scum read over some old games and didnt really know what to do so he tried to look active by posting but didnt actually post anything useful. I think he is scum but to be honest doesnt he doesnt know what he is doing. This is half true. I was terrified of being lynched, scum fall prey to that but there are other roles that have this affect on newbs. There is nothing I can do and I saw this coming soon a my quote included "make it clean like this guys" and it was the absolute worst looking post in the thread after having posted just to show that I was no lurker. I also played selfishly (as you'll see on flip) rather than from a town mindset. I started to seek survival and that is scummy and I know it too, is the sad thing. Just didn't put 2 &2 together, did not expect to wind up feeling like I was all survivalist as town :p I'm really sorry I couldn't put anything useful down before my likely exit, but this is my last ditch effort: Allow me to last the night. I still can't do much but I am a broken sheep, so looks like I'll go independent. Scum reads? Finally got one: Aquanim. Haven't read filters, haven't got a case, just want to contribute a skimmer's gut feeling before possible drasticness. Take it or leave it, especially as I must sleep as checkout is 1 pm and I checked In at a defeated 4:30. Fail at job, fail here but there is always another game  and the farm will irrigate again in a week or less.Ps: actually I have done table mafia but that is very different, I suck at that because I have AS. I thought I'd have a chance here, and still think so- just decided to go nuts in terror despite some awesome coaching to the contrary :D :S Great learning experience! The greats do what they do with skill. A silver leaguer trying to sentry expand may often find it countered by mass hydra (olllld WoL meta)- must start with Probes and Pylons, Probes and Pylons. Btw have a surprise final post if I get lynched/ killed XD See y'all around, when I was looking scummy to myself I knew OMGIS, it wassa comin! Good luck my friends, you will need it. DON'T not lynch me just because I had a hard day, if I really look scummy Lynch me dammit! Towns must know how to COMMIT! >: ) ##Vote: Aquanim | ||
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GOOD night. I'm beat. Can't read right now and I follow gut NOW while I live. | ||
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On June 26 2013 03:50 Xzavier wrote: I dont get why aqua and chrome are voting somebody they know can be a good town. I havnt made huge cases yet, i havnt had time to. ill be active during night one if im still aliv. I would prefer to delay my lynch until day2. today id like a lynch on alakazam or aqua. idc which. ill probably choose between the two on my break fepending on the situation. IF I DO GET LYNCHED: everybody take a long hard look at aqua and chrom. and look at alakazam now he lurks and one of his few posts was saying im sheeping and doing no scumhunting this game until the guy im sheeping looks scummy. the godfather last game i was in said something almost identical to that. its a pretty big noob scum tell imo. alone it judt warrents serious investifagation. Well it appears I'm wanted alive another cycle, but that was my point. In Town's interest I wanted to be lynched to make the point I'll just state. You know, when someone is lurking (doing irl stuff), it is hard to defend lurking when you get back because you haven't been reading the thread, so you have no scum reads. This is worse when you're so daft you can't get a read even reading the thread. Trying to contribute in other ways can do wonders (Onegu has handled that very well) but you must actually be helpful of course. If not, the town lynch is no loss. It is good (not ideal, but good) town play to eliminate players like myself. If we can contribute nothing of value to the thread, mislynch ing us is a good way to cut out our fluff. Xzavier. I know you don't have a lot of time. But I will tell you how to get my vote off your back: No, wait. My promise. I'm not voting you yet. I will read your filter and Decide. | ||
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On June 26 2013 08:57 Xzavier wrote: Relax ill flip green. i think the reason there wasnt a scum counterplay id s because scum took iniative. Hen town hopped on boaredm since it looks like im pretty dead. Can somebody explain to me why im scum! Lol. Well I think your town by your filter, so that is how you get my vote off your back. Unfortunately, the strong scum read on me will make this only reinforce the case against you to some. Still have to read other people's, glancing at phone when not busy. Really sorry about being so useless. | ||
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On June 26 2013 09:24 Aquanim wrote: Not any more. I'd prefer to let him post for another day and improve my read on him, I can still believe his play from town or from scum at this point. If we absolutely had to switch, I'd say Alakaslam or StiMaDDict, but they would basically be policy lynches for me. I don't think this thread is going to progress much until Xzavier flips though, so I'm very much opposed to shenanigans at this point. Let's face it, if we don't lynch him today, we'll spend tomorrow deciding whether to lynch him too. I'd prefer to move on. Bolded. Thank you for this Aquanim, I think it has opened my eyes to something possible. Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you... Disclaimer: Back to filters, I have no read on Onegu and this is not an accusation- yet. I am prone to mood swings though it seems! | ||
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ok. Thanks. Then I like your Filter. Reading filters is so liberating! I now see both sides, as I have read Xzavier's filter, and thought he was town, because all I saw was pro-Xzavier posts (duh). Now, having read Aquanim's case AGAINST him, I go back to what I thought before, except with this: Xzavier, sorry. Nothing you can do to get this off your back. ##Vote: Xzavier I was a little suspicious of Onegu. So he's my next "Scum" read, but really my read is neutral toward him. He DID clean up my [expletive], after all. Nice to be at home/work pc again. Will keep reading filters, "so this is how you people make cases"....  diz my play diz game yall duh hurdurr ^^ | ||
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On June 25 2013 15:27 hzflank wrote: You are, but I admit that this as much to do with process than anything else. Sorry for the hold up, I am trying to make a case against you starting as neutral as I can. I am also trying to ignore anything about NN in my case. I am finding it hard to do because being neutral is harder than it sounds, but I will get there. I am not going to name any other names until I am done with you one way or the other, as I have a habit of splitting attention. In my first read I did not find your replies to the cases against you to be good enough, but if that remains the case after my next reads I will explain why. Currently I think you are more scummy than anyone else, but with 10 people to choose from (Stim does not count), the most scummy is not as much as I would like. Okay, my next post will be a case, but it may take up to 30 minutes. Hey hz. If you still are wondering what I was thinking about Onegu, he really cleaned up after some questionable (but well intentioned!!) posting (linking old games to "give town meta" {read: distract town, Onegu alerted me}, trying to make a bit of a scumread on Tofu and defend myself at the same time, while not checking what I was doing, general hypocrisy etc.) As you can see, I've been reading your filter. I am wondering, Whence does the scumread on Aqua come from? Does it still stand? | ||
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On June 26 2013 10:12 Chromatically wrote: ..what? Why are you thinking about what makes you look scummy? Why aren't you lynching based on who you actually think is scum? UM, Maybe he is a blue role.  If so though, careful with that hz.But yeah good point Chromatically, why would you post this at all hz? If I was scummy before for sheeping Onegu, what is this? | ||
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unless I'm so scummy people feel I'm a dead man posting X_X Your filter is only a page long. I'll admit mine is mostly fluff, but it's still 3 pages. What have you done to aid town? A bandwagon and a retraction on that bandwagon, and this attack on Aquanim. Defense youselfs you, you! You are scumread of the nooob until you do. And while you're at it, make a REAL case that isn't based on the first 12 pages of the thread. That discussion about nn was so useless and nobody was stupid enough to claim so I'm going to find whoever started it, and see if they strike me as scummy in their filter. OH YEAH- you brought it up again. That is a little scummy too, hmm... Of course I'm more scummy than you so whatever, take it or leave it folks. Though the POWA of the FILTA has EMPOWAHD ME!!!! Still, watch for orange folks! + Show Spoiler + oh, uh, and maybe RED. Duh. . .  Reason to watch for orange as well as red: By the way. As this diagram, though great, has been seen enough here, I'm done reposting it. Also because I'm recommending almost exactly the opposite of what it says.  to blazinghandOn June 26 2013 09:40 Alakaslam wrote: Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you... | ||
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On June 26 2013 11:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Both of the confirmed townies (see: dead) have stated support for Xzavier and suspicion of Aqua. Spicy also briefly mentioned that he was "not convinced on the aqua vote either and ill post my thoughts on that later", and was the most visible supporter of Xzavier. However, either I can't find those thoughts, or he never got the follow-up out because it was the opener to his Case against yours truly. @Spicy Do you feel like elaborating on your thoughts about Aqua now, or are they no longer relevant / valid? O.O Can I do nothing right. Now I see how scummy ^^ looks (I mean my post.) Feh! What am I worried about. My Lynch would give town a lot of confusion though. Not good. I get a strong feeling Mafia are actually pretty active this game, kind of puppetmastering and doing a good job of it. They've got me so far XD No case for the above? Well, it's because of my general feeling based on the whole thread. A lot of people accusing with weak cases or, like me, just avoiding accusing because they're worried their case will be weak (which is in itself scummy in a way- that worry). You know? Really, I'm just very new and very wishy washy. Feel free to ask me stuff, I'll see it on my spare time and I'll try to answer. A lot of stuff I've done I have done to try to be a sideline resource to town. I haven't the best of skill at reading people anywhere, but one thing I can do is tell the truth and navigate TL. So ask me, try to entrap me and make me guilty worse than I am. I need some Town confirmation if I'm going to be useful, and that is the only way I can think of to confirm myself town. Otherwise, please just lynch me. + Show Spoiler + "After all, you just lynched two townies with me. I'm CONFIRMED red, aren't I? So I'd be one less KP when gone" Has anyone actually considered the motivation behind my filter? I know why I look scummy, heck you guys convinced me (lol). So, I ask you. How do I fix that? What is at my disposal to help town? I thought towniness was any effort to aid town, not YOU MUST SCUMREAD THAT IS ONLY AID TO TOWN AND NO SHEEPING BRO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR VOTE AT ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT + Show Spoiler + what I just did with most of us. mind you, because trying to read scum less carefully... + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 I haven't followed this because I got nutzy after people said I was lurking. Like on page 11. "You don’t have to be a super-active poster to prove your innocence or be useful to the town." WELL AREN'T I A CLASS-A EXAMPLE OF THAT TRUTH. Rather, I have been disobeying "Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos." | ||
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On June 26 2013 09:49 Spicydinosaur wrote: I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy. And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches. Spicy, work with sponge please. This will lead to town victory. You two (and Onegu) are the most clearheaded in the thread so far, and you've both been right in the face of bandwagon. Learning, learning.... | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:26 FirmTofu wrote: Alakaslam, would you be willing to vote for Onegu on Day 2? Yeah, maybe, check my late filter. Depends on cases against him. I just gave my vote to a mislynch right after reading town off his filter. Do not expect voting confidence from me yet! Going to homework, I need it! :p. Potato may = paranoia. Possibly acute. Along with this homework, I am going to read the town section of the thread I linked again. If you make cases against me folks don't do it based on the "lurking" I'm about to do for obvious reasons. -_- | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam I also need you to tell me what is wrong with this post. (Class, don't help him.) For starters direct disobedience to what I posted in the spoiler at the bottom of the post you quoted for my homework. Is also selfish, sarcastic, paranoid, a knee-jerk reaction, and contradictory to ideas I had raised earlier an have since. And I posted out of raw emotion. More coming on homework, going to avoid spamming! Btw. Yes, I know. You are a prophet sir. | ||
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On June 26 2013 13:18 Hurricane Sponge wrote: If that's all you found wrong with that quote, we have a problem. I need you to read it extremely carefully. There is a very specific answer I'm looking for, and it will be very obvious when you find it. Nonchalance toward lynching someone on no case? Man, I am at a loss but don't tell me. Reading Onegu's filter just gave me the chills. Kind of should but I'm not going to defend because homework, and trying to understand the above. I will say Onegu has been antagonizing me since early on and so if he flips red a lot of my confusion will lift. I took him for correcting errors, thanked him and apologized immediately following this, and he is then attacking the errors. I took it as town play because he was fixing errors but how manipulative a scum you can find must be beyond me. Main thin I'm learning so far is do not disregard the general guide thread. Or read it and forget. | ||
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On June 26 2013 13:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Hint time. Reading comprehension is a huge part of this game. We need to be very careful about correcting significant typos like this. Oh shit. Rofl Scum wants to lynch town, and I said I want tofu to be town ish (which he did) but I ACTUALLY cast my vote on him! + Show Spoiler + Dude I will read my filter, 10-1 this was when I had failed at work after a 22 hour day. I can't even explain this. Uhh...... Yeah. | ||
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On June 26 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote: I was trying to help you at first but then the things I helped you with you didnt incorparate it into your play makeing feel scum from you. I know. That is why I sheeped after you. I saw my error after error, figured you were (comparatively) a vet and that a mafia would not have been correcting me and you were the only one who was. Then by that time I was drawing suspicion. When the attacks made so much sense that I was my own scum read the paradox blew my mind- So I gave up, and decided to make myself useful the only way I knew how while under duress ( all memory of coaching, skimming the guide, grade school, etc gone) Couldn't sheep your vote against me though :p And the paranoia spiral went nuts with a vicious cycle of becoming my own stronger and stronger scum read and I went 100% cuckoo and our coaches/obs facepalmed repeatedly. Must work on homework! Will still check this now and then. | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Not sure why you quoted me, but I just went through your whole filter. On a scale of Scum-to-Townie, I'd put you as a solid 'Potato'. I tried following your train of thought, and it damn near gave me a headache. If you can post thoughts in a much more concise manner from here on out, I'd consider it a personal favor. You seem to be asking for homework, so I will give you some: You associated yourself early with Onegu, even declaring that you would donate your vote to him to use as he pleased. What are your thoughts on him at this moment in light of his attitude toward how the the Day 1 lynch was shaping up late in the day? (Go read his filter. You do not have to respond in the next 10 seconds.) Waitaminute I just sort I did this in reply to him. Pah! Make your cases for a minute I swear I don't know if Onegu is scum or not, FirmTofu (who I DO think is town, he granted my wish) says Onegu scum slipped but I think it relies on me being scum and I know better. But iPhone, that is why i didn't see the error in my own post. Tofu what page did you elaborate on? Medic, I really hope you exist. You should know who to protect right now. If you think I'm asking for guard you are daft, but I assume you know who needs it. | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote: [/red]Alright, we got the bad end of the deal with that flip, but we can still make the best of it. Scenario 1: Scum initiated or hopped on the lynch on Xzavier early on in the game. This would mean that LoneMeow/Chromatically/Aquanim are all potential scum. How likely is this scenario? Earlier on in the game, we had Chromatically and Aquanim go at it with a full-on slug fest. Although hzflank had a theory that both could be scum, it remains to be seen that that is the case. HOWEVER, this is still a possibility because mafia have their QT chat available during the day and coordinate in that way. Of the three, I would think that LoneMeow is the most likely to be scum because all he did was initiate the bandwagon that led to the demise of town and contributed little of substance. Scenario 2: Scum did not initiate or hop on the lynch on Xzavier. Q. How would these scum react when they see a bandwagon forming on a townie? A. They would probably try to dissociate themselves from the bandwagon unless it was unlikely that the lynch would go through. Because the lynch was likely to go through, they would behave in the aforementioned way. Okay great! Let's make a list of the players they weren't associated with the bandwagon for the majority of the game. Note: I am including people that jumped on the bandwagon when it was inevitable. 1) hzflank 2) Onegu 3) Spicydinosaur 4) StiMaDDict 5) Alakaslam 6) Hurricane Sponge Of these people, hzflank and Hurricane Sponge are playing extremely pro-town by constantly talking about the game. This should not eliminate them from the running; however, we can temporarily narrow down the list. 1) Onegu 2) Spicydinosaur 3) StiMaDDict 4) Alakaslam Onegu: Onegu votes for Aqua, then a few posts later votes for Alakaslam. Most importantly, he declares his apathy toward the lynch of Aquanim vs Xzavier! The Case Against Onegu: Onegu is [re]scum and Aquanim and Xzavier are both town. Therefore, Onegu is apathetic towards the lynch. He knows both will flip town, so he immediately dissociates himself with that lynch and votes Alakaslam who will not get lynched that day. I will go into further detail about my other reads, but first, I would like to get some opinions about my analysis. Nvm, page 32. Huh. But... Then is your read on me not 100% scum? Or do you mean that he would bus or just knew I would not be lynched? I SWORE I'd be lynched because I was a total fail, and I largely felt the case against Xzavier was a rust bucket until I read Aquanim's filter. Hindsight is perfect, how did Onegu know at that time I would not be lynched? | ||
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On June 26 2013 14:16 hzflank wrote: @Hurricane: If you were a Vig, and the game rules were that you must take your shot on night 1, who would you shoot? Make your own decisions don't soft claim  | ||
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On June 26 2013 14:20 FirmTofu wrote: It doesn't rely on you being scum at all. You flipping mafia is somewhat reliant on Onegu flipping mafia, however. I believe my case against Onegu is 2 pages ago. Then my only questions are: why did he help me early on, and how did he know at the time I wouldn't be lynched? | ||
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But what? His case was rust? I SWORE I was the scummiest dude in the thread DAMN I am still paranoid! Guess I can chill a bit but people who have a scum read on me; anything I can do that will assauge your concerns? This is a mini, this means mislynch is more serious so I am no longer an advocate of a lynch on me for your info/benefit. (Never really was, who wants to be lynched? I just hate being selfish because I am so much and saw myself being.) Ok. I think people should be paying more attention to your case then. | ||
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can we vote in advance at night? If not then please understand the intent firm, I believe you. If so bolding upon reply from mods, and mods please consider it a vote. I want to establish myself town and I understand tofu's case, I am NOT taking this lightly. Like I said I don't like mislynch in a mini like this! | ||
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On June 26 2013 14:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Alakaslam I have a question for you, and I need you to answer in the simplest way possible. I promise I will explain later. Are you scum? No. | ||
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On June 26 2013 14:26 Aquanim wrote: There is no medic in this setup (check the OP). There is the possibility for a Jailkeeper, which is similar. I'm not interested in discussing who they should or shouldn't target and I suggest nobody else discusses this either. This is because unlike the Vigilante a Jailkeeper can't do much harm to town and can do a lot of good, especially if scum have absolutely no idea who they are or who they're targeting. Good point, agreed. | ||
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On June 26 2013 14:49 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I told myself I wouldn't swear in this thread. I was going to be civil. Please do not make me disappoint myself. Please. You guys are all confusing me like flying pigs! What the hell is all this about? How on earth do we deduce this kind of thing from what has happened so far? Either STFU or be clear, this is one thing I have learned today. I thought you all had this down Already? ........wait. Hurricane, Would scum create WIFOM hell if they knew they could? Edit after read preview: this is in tandem with quoted, @nested quote. | ||
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On June 25 2013 07:05 LoneMeow wrote: Xzavier, I still don't like your filter. Practically just setup speculation, no scum hunting or reads. I want to lynch you. I'm not all that comfortable with lynching hzflank, in fact I'd rather not. I read him as town-ish. StiMaDDict, start participating in some way. Who's your top scum read, why? fyfy, you say you'd "rather lynch someone scummier", tell me who'd that be? ##Vote: Xzavier First vote for X. Does not make case by we bandwagoned eventually. Aquanim had the case I liked. Has a "nice" short filter. Compares well with my "horrendous" mid size filter. Any a more experienced player wanna check it out and comment? | ||
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On June 26 2013 15:31 Onegu wrote: Wow this is the best post I have seen this entire game, stop directing blue roles, stop looking for blues and look for scum. Yep FirmTofu, sorry but mi ne freggo your opinion on me at this point unless You make a better case on Onegu, by answering my question. Make a better Onegu case and I vote. Otherwise, make your case on me there should be plenty. For now I scumhunt filtas. If the mods accept the wrong format tentative question vote, here. ##unvote: Onegu. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On June 26 2013 15:45 Hurricane Sponge wrote: As we all now know, fyfy flipped Town. Keep in mind the context that scum would know who was town at this juncture. I'm going to build a profile on fyfy for everyone: First action involving fyfy was a vote by Tofu: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote: As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and ##Vote: fyfy because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim.[/QUOTE] Interestingly, Onegu (unprompted) came to his defense with a very logical argument: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 16:59 Onegu wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote: As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and ##Vote: fyfy because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim.[/QUOTE] It is better to vote for lurkers who have posted one time and stopped then to vote for someone who hasnt posted anything because they will most likely get replaced or modkilled.[/QUOTE] Spicy then enters the conversation after a defense of Chromatically as town with a defense of fyfy and a counter-poke on Tofu that reads more like an attack on StiM: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 21:49 Spicydinosaur wrote: @Aquanim I dont like your case against chrom. Our exchange in the beginning was just to get the ball rolling which worked and started generating some content. Its still early D1 but right now im feeling chrom as town. Looking at FirmTofu as possible scum target. His first post is pure spam that does nothing to generate discussion [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote: Scum Hunt Day 1: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote: hey guys[/QUOTE] Analysis: Trying to appear friendly with an innocuous greeting. Seems to project an air of insecurity. Preliminary Conclusion: Scum [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 11:01 StiMaDDict wrote: so it begins..[/QUOTE] Analysis: Neutral statement of fact. Preliminary Conclusion: Need more information. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote: Hey everyone[/QUOTE] Analysis: Exudes power with strong capitalization techniques along with a greeting. Preliminary Conclusion: A leader with a powerful role. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 11:03 Xzavier wrote: Spicy <3 hello again. [/QUOTE] Analysis: Trying to establish a connection with a player that he has interacted with prior to this game. A metagaming, manipulative sort of move. Preliminary Conclusion: Scummy [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote: Why so scummy, Spicy?[/QUOTE] Analysis: First baseless accusation. As the old chinese proverb states, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Preliminary Conclusion: Scum Suggested Lynch: Chromatically[/QUOTE] I'm also not a huge fan of his stance on meta use. He claims that he doesn't want to use meta which would be fine on its own, but here he is using the argument to ignore evidence. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:01 FirmTofu wrote: As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game.[/QUOTE] He claims I'm scummy because i am defensive when accused of being scum. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote: I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states. In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment. (It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game) [/QUOTE] He acknowledges that it could just be my personality, yet when I link past games to show exactly that, he ignores it. At this point he just backs off his scum claim. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:39 Spicydinosaur wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote: I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states. In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment. (It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game) [/QUOTE] I do this in all my games, check out [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972] Les Mafia[/url]for a good example. Though i don't see how that is alignment indicative as no one wants to get lynched. [/QUOTE] I won't bother looking at your past games, because I believe you should only be judged on your actions in this game. As I mentioned before, you could very well have a defensive personality, so I am not saying you are definitely scum or anything like that.[/QUOTE] Next up is the lurker list post which doesnt tell us anything new and just clutters up the thread. We all know who has/hasnt been posting as the filter button is a click away. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 13:27 FirmTofu wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote: Quoted Player List for reference: [QUOTE]On June 18 2013 14:22 geript wrote: The Players
[/QUOTE] Lurkers: fyfy, Aquanium, LoneMeow, StiMaDDict, Alakaslam (Sorry, I know you said you were eating, but for all intents and purposes, you haven't posted at all.) Let's keep a close watch on these guys before we start voting.[/QUOTE] Lastly his vote on fyfy has been bugging me. It is clearly a pressure vote to get him active but why target fyfy over stim? Stim actually posted at the beginning of the day right after the day post, then dissipated. He was there reading the thread but not actively posting. This seems scummier than fyfy at the moment. [/QUOTE] After a while, Tofu drops his poke vote on fyfy: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 02:38 FirmTofu wrote: Wrong format sorry. ##unvote: fyfy[/QUOTE] After a brief defense by Tofu from Spicy on the matter, fyfy chimes in: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 04:10 fyfy wrote: Hi guys, for what it's worth I believe FirmTofu to either be an overzealous townie or scum. By checking through some of his posts in his previous games it appears that he is indeed kinda overzealous about things as town, not too sure about scum though. Apparently in one of his games he shot another town he believed to be mafia so I'm not too sure where this places him. For now, I'd rather we lynch someone scummier.[/QUOTE] Tofu then links Spicy and fyfy: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 05:56 FirmTofu wrote: Another issue that may be useful later is his subtle defense of fyfy that worked wonders to nail me as an idiot for having voted him. Everyone fell for it, but for the time being, I have linked Spicy and fyfy as possible teammates. Whether it be arrogance or a scum-tell, Spicy is definitely a suspicious individual that needs to be looked into. ##Vote: SpicyDinosaur[/QUOTE] Spicy and Tofu then get in some crazy off-the-rails argument where they refute each other point by point without actually going anywhere. (Spicy has to actually bring up Hitler to finally kill the argument) There's a bit of time that passes where fyfy is solicited for a vote, so he offers: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 15:48 fyfy wrote: I'm getting the read now that Aquanim is more scum than Xzavier as Aqua seems to be extremely defensive and I maintain my belief that Xzavier just types like a scum. Reading through the discussion, I am under the belief that Aquanim is scum. ##Vote: Aquanim[/QUOTE] Aquanim then damns us with faint praise: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 15:49 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 15:37 Xzavier wrote: But i really dont need to right now lol. I was in the middle of making a case against you when i had to get off the pc. so i posted the little i had. you cant make a case on a phone. sorrym and im not the only one guilty of not pressuring people. hellvim one of the seven who has casted a vote and given a reason why. So why arnt you going after the lurkers who havnt even voted yet by this logic?[/QUOTE] - LoneMeow's two posts feel more constructive than the entirety of your filter - StiMaDDict is a coinflip - I feel like fyfy, Hurricane Sponge and Alakaslam are at least trying, even if they are not being very effective so far. There could well be scum in this group but I'm not nearly as confident about any one of them as I am about you and Onegu. Voting in as of itself is not scumhunting. You aren't trying to gain information by voting me and your case is pretty bad, which doesn't really leave any possible towny motivation for your vote.[/QUOTE] fyfy gives his reasoning (a gut feel, apparently): [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 15:58 fyfy wrote: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 14:44 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 14:32 Onegu wrote: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE] Him saying the bolded part really bothers me, it is a failsafe for him to later say his gut lead him to make votes without having to make cases behind it [/quote] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045[/url] Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case. [quote] The other big thing about him is he kept the NN thing going way to long almost half his posts deal with the NN, when it is a bad idea, what if the NN claims day one but scum counterclaims day 4 we still dont know who is who it only give scum an advantage and for him to harp on it over and over is scummy to me. [/QUOTE] STILL this? 1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative 2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen, why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way. Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me. [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 13:13 Xzavier wrote: OMGUS more[/QUOTE] Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope.[/QUOTE] If there will be a case then why post this about your gut? [/quote] Because it's true. If I have a gut read, I do seek to substantiate it with a case to convince other people though. I don't expect anyone else to be convinced by my gut. What about this statement makes you think I couldn't say it as town? (NB. You should be thinking this about any scum read.) [quote] Sure a differance on opinion isnt scum indicative, but you postion on something pro scum and makeing multiple posts on it is. And if you make a case on it and people agree with you because they dont see the reasons could let it happen. You weren't the first person to ask for the reveal so it did have a chance to convince the NN to come forward.[/QUOTE] This is ridiculous. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Even if it was a pro-scum position, plenty of people had already said they thought it was a bad idea. I knew when I made that argument that I was arguing against thread sentiment and did it anyway, because I thought (and still think) that that claim would lead to town advantage. You can't say that someone is scum just because they did some stuff which they MIGHT do as scum. You have to find something which they WOULDN'T do as town. [/QUOTE] Something about the way you type is off, I can't really put my finger on to it. I can't really decide whether you're really town or actually scum doing a good job pretending to be town. If anyone could help me clarify how many mafs/SKs are usually in a 12p game I think I would be able to make better decisions.[/QUOTE] ... and then immediately backs off when confronted: [QUOTE]On June 25 2013 16:13 fyfy wrote: So basically we're looking at 3 scums here, and its possible for 1 of them to not have a partner (the SK). So what we should be looking for people who are defending a lot of other people as these people will be the ones who likely will use that as an excuse for defending their mafia partner later on in the game ("Oh I defend everyone!"). As for now, I should not have voted so quickly, I apologise. ##Unvote: Aquanim[/QUOTE] And that's where the trail goes cold. Now, I know this may be a bit embarrassing for Tofu, but that's not my point here. I'm more interested that Onegu and Spicy both defended fyfy with little prompting. I do not view this as early-game scum behavior. Interesting that they both cite StiM as a better target, leading me to personally re-evaluate my thoughts on him. Thread: If you are convinced that either Onegu or Spicy are scum, please put these actions in context and give me your thoughts on StiMaddict.[/QUOTE] Rofl sponge I feel a lot better about myself seeing you fall for that. See why I cited Ace Onegu? That post is such an artful scum spam trap- duly noted if I play scum later frankly! Not calling a case on tofu just yet, he did backpedal hard and look at us quoting that shit. Rofl | ||
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IT COMES Dude my laughing is going to wake up my family I need to put down the phone, see you all in about 16 hours XD I'm so sorry hurricane it's just like when you've tipped a canoe and everyone laughed and then you see it happen to someone else and you get it and its so much funnier, that empathy funny stuff rofl | ||
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On June 26 2013 15:55 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Ugh, it wasn't a Case on Tofu. Tofu did what a lot of other players would do: Poke the Lurker. If you're seriously considering Tofu as scum, read his filter and make a proper case. The juice of my abortion of a post is that Onegu and Spicy defended fyfy almost immediately. And this is not scum-play to me. No no no and I wasn't saying that, you check MY filter. He did what I wanted him to. I was just explaining to Onegu where my ace hunting came from, you have made it Abundantly clear.... Hehehe.... No it was an easily explained accident. He trimmed a bit and accidentally trimmed the /quote (mind the brackets, I know better than that now! rofl) | ||
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Anyway why can't they bob be town? Spicy struck me as town, you recommend his filter? | ||
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But yeah I think he's town. Will keep reading to make sure. | ||
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On June 26 2013 16:08 FirmTofu wrote: Alakaslam, I don't know why Onegu helped you. Is it even relevant? It was before anything that was relevant to my case even occurred. It seems like you are just bringing that up as an excuse to avoid having to vote for Onegu. Bullying? I don't see how this is bullying at all. I'm giving him a choice that he can choose to accept or not and I letting him know the consequences of his decision. At this point, Alakslam is looking for reasons to cast doubt on my case, which is just more fodder for the case against him. He will go down with the ship unless mafia cuts their losses and votes for you, Onegu. Because when he helped me he helped town. Let me tack on to that question: why do you scum read me if not for Onegu's "rust bucket" case on me? Gogogo! I knew it was strong! I agree you aren't bullying but nonetheless- explain why scum Onegu said "don't distract the thread" and "stop putting hypocritical posts and fluff". I'm not against voting Onegu except that I just can't see mafia doing that so early! They want townies to play bad! Otherwise, yeah I have a null read on him. But the stuff that is town is great town IMO! Also, read Hurricane's findings. Not that Onegu couldn't still be scum but if he is Kudos, he is a prophetic mastermind. The again, I hear ace is very dangerous. Basically Tofu, make your case a little stronger and I take notice, otherwise go tunnel me! MI NE FREGGO! | ||
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On June 26 2013 16:23 FirmTofu wrote: I beg to differ. Spicy was defending against my accusation that fyfy and Spicy were both mafia. Thus, "defending" fyfy was just an issue of self-preservation. If people think fyfy is town, people think he is town, therefore his obvious self-preservationist instinct would lead him to defend fyfy. This is neither a scum-tell nor a town-tell. Just be careful not to tunnel filters only, include a little dose of context if you can. I had to get context to confirm meow was first voting xz. | ||
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On June 26 2013 16:25 Aquanim wrote: Could you explain to me how defending a townie is a "supertown" move? I see it as a pretty good way for a scum to be seen sincerely arguing something (because they know they're right about a townread), while not actually contributing to finding scum. A quick glance over Spicy's posts indicates to me that all he's saying is "fyfy isn't the scummiest person in the thread" which is a long way from a committment to fyfy being town (which could be inconvenient for scum later). Townies can defend other townies, but scum can do it too IMO. Yeah, that was an ASSUMPTION alright. But what of this: as you are active, whose filter do you read at this time aqua? | ||
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On June 26 2013 16:29 FirmTofu wrote: Okay. Onegu is using an easy tactic I like to call, "Say FirmTofu is distracting the thread and posting hypocritical posts and hopefully no one will lynch me" Notice how he isn't actually making a case against me even though he's saying I'm doing scummy things. This is because he knows I am town, he knows he is scum, and he knows town will never bandwagon me. His best bet to stay alive is to discredit me and hope no one listens to me. Also, Onegu isn't being pro-town by calling me scummy. He's being anti-town. Almost all of town agrees that I have been one of the most pro-town players this entire game. Of course, all of what I just wrote is probably useless because if you are scum, as I suspect you are, you won't listen to anything I say. I hope you prove me wrong. You quoted me actually. Who called you scummy in here? Clarify? And I did not, I mean nobody did. Why are you defending against nothing? | ||
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But it is really this simple: if scum would tell a townie who was aiding his cause through spam to stop, explain how this is so And why. Do that, and you basically have my vote. However, when we get paranoid we look scummy. I know by experience. Calm down. | ||
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On June 26 2013 16:40 FirmTofu wrote: First you say he was helping you and now you say he's shitting on you and that helped town. I'm really confused as to what you're getting at so do me a favor and quote what post you are referring to so I can provide you an adequate response. Just go to page 12, read thru 13. Really condensed for you. | ||
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On June 26 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote: I'm not reading filters at the moment, I'm living the rest of my life and occasionally checking the thread to see if anything interesting pops up. Fair enough, I really should be sleeping right now for work tomorrow. Cy'all! | ||
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Onegu, how was the exchange between Tofu & I a few pages ago? A lot of misunderstanding there. I understand being under suspicion, and I am still. I think what has helped me with that is actually trying to cooperate with Hurricane Sponge. Fellow Town. I am not being a potato when I say I need to be at least believable. There is a small dissertation by me to Onegu about how and why I lost it. You know what is nice about being town? I can answer your questions with perfect honesty and be consistent without effort. Some I just shouldn't answer (are you the Vig?) but then, how would blue claiming or denying help my defense? It might but not without detriment to town, and since I want to help town now more than stay alive, my defense just isn't worth that sort of thing. Especially as some people wouldn't be able to resist saying "shoot Onegu or I tunnel you" and I yell "KENPACHIIIIIIII!!!!! MI NE FREGGO!!!" And it's all based on falsehood because I'm not even Vig, and just creates confusion. Right now, I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, if interested see spoiler. Please town make like Hurricane Sponge and solidify my position. If I am scum lynch me NOW (meaning as soon as daylight). If I am town I really need to be able to help without reverse psychology involved/invoked. + Show Spoiler + FirmTofu believes his case against Onegu as related to me if he is town. And heck I understand the reasoning, and when my phone didn't refresh I saw the post where he did exactly what I asked. The problem with that is tofu started to get just as scummy as I was with the defense against the air, but I know exactly how that happens and it's not necessarily a super-tight scum tell at all. Also, Onegu keeps getting more and more town in my eyes. So lets say they're both town. Tofu will become convinced that Onegu and I are SCUMBUDDIES and try to get Onegu lynched because I am so appropriately new that I think actually BEING mafia would make me incredibly dangerous now. + Show Spoiler + now we get deep. Say I AM mafia folks. You just F'ed up the tracker because the only person carrying out KP is me. So FOR HIS SAKE, help prove me town so he realizes his night can still be productive! Otherwise, I am effectively a tracking role blocker. Now, say Onegu is scum. + Show Spoiler + He has a lot of balls, and puppet mastered me hard and was very successful. Beware. Need more info, that will come with time. Say he is Town. + Show Spoiler + people who want to lynch him may be scum. He has been aiding clarity since the early stages of the game. So he is a really good asset to town and with his recent plays that makes sense. Say Tofu is town. + Show Spoiler + he is misguided by my shitstorms and I apologize. (Hz you think YOU messed up, roflmao). He should consider Onegu's case assuming I don't exist, consider that Aqua pushed him to voting me when unsure, that he also was looking at others so say he did the same thing but put his vote on stimaddict. Consider his filter. Is Onegu still scummy? Say he is scum. + Show Spoiler + he tunnels Onegu because he knows Onegu is town and helpful town at that. Easy to see why he might do this if Onegu is town. Say both are scum No spoiler needed mind blown. | ||
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Town, I am at your service. Headed to work, what can I do? Catch me In the act, find the red hands in my play and prove them! [heavy sigh] | ||
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On June 27 2013 10:18 Aquanim wrote: I was going to do this anyway, but I decided I just had to quote these as titles. (Honestly I doubt I'm going to die tonight, but between unknowable scum motivations, overzealous vigilantes and inscrutable Serial Killers one can never quite be sure...) If I die tonight, town should increase their scum-read on "X" and "Y" because of "Reasons" Spicydinosaur. See the section on him below. In case I die tonight, for the record, I believe "Z" and "B" to be very town. Chromatically and, to a lesser extent, Hurricane Sponge. Hurricane has picked up his play a lot since the lynch (which is a little odd) but both of them and I are too much on the same wavelength. In case I die tonight, give "L" some space to play: LoneMeow. I've liked what I've seen of his play so far, but there just hasn't been enough of it. Apparently he's been on vacation, but the fact that he hasn't felt the need to say it ingame, let alone use it as an excuse, is a good sign. @LoneMeow: You mostly weren't here day 1 and you've got some catching up to do in terms of proving your credentials as a townie. I appreciate there are some people <glares at StiMaDDict> who've done even less than you, but don't use that as an excuse. If I live through tonight, I look forward to speaking with you. If I die tonight have a good long think about your scumread on "V": Onegu. See the section on him below. If I die tonight, "κ" and "∅" are still basically policy lynches in my view: Alakaslam and StiMaDDict. Alakaslam's incessant martyring is really making me grind my teeth, but... fundamentally it's just another of those things I wish was scummy. He is posting some arguments and thinking about the thread a little, but is the analysis he's provided something scum could cook up? I still have no idea. StiMaDDict continues to do sweet fanny adams. We may just have to lynch him, or threaten to enough that he bloody well talks to us. If I die tonight I never got around to thoroughly reading " " and " ": FirmTofu and hzflank. I'm feeling townish on both of these two but if I'm wrong on my townreads I think it's probably these ones. On Spicydinosaur + Show Spoiler + The point was made early in the thread that Spicy was playing defensively. I would rather term his play as "reactive". Spicy's reply to this was as follows: On June 24 2013 12:39 Spicydinosaur wrote: I do this in all my games, check out Les Mafiafor a good example. Though i don't see how that is alignment indicative as no one wants to get lynched. I thought maybe I should actually go and read Les Mafia. Oh boy..... In Les Mafia, Spicydinosaur was a Parity Cop. I would characterise his play in the following way:
I strongly suggest that everybody read Les Mafia and get your own feeling for Spicy's play in that game. (Before anyone yells out that meta isn't a valid tool for analysis, Spicy provided this HIMSELF to justify his actions. Obviously, he thinks that it is a valid tool to analyse his play.) His argument with FirmTofu (you know the one) isn't particularly alignment-indicative to me. He is flinging a lot of shit at FirmTofu, but I can't say that he wouldn't do this as town too. This section of his filter could bear further analysis I feel. Spicy's reads so far (shortly summarised) are as follows:
I may have missed some reads but I don't think any of them were significant. In short, none of these reads make me think "town" and they all seem pretty convenient from a scummy perspective. Do I think Spicy's scum for not arguing harder for a switch away from Xzavier onto Hurricane? Not really, the thread sentiment was pretty strong against Xzavier at that point and it would take an awfully strong townie to face up to that. But it certainly isn't a towny indication, either. tl;dr I haven't found much of anything in Spicy's filter which makes me strongly think town, and unlike Onegu I'd expect there to be something if he was town. My gut says scum, but I want to look for more before drawing final conclusions. On Onegu + Show Spoiler + As far as I can tell the case on Onegu boils down to a few main points: 1) His 'apathy' to the day one wagons - generally indicative of scum not wanting to take responsibility. 2) The less-than-persuasive nature of his cases Is this a plausible interpretation of Onegu's actions if he's scum? I think it is. However, it is not the only possible interpretation. 1) Onegu did, and always has had, a scumread on me. I suspect it's mostly a gut read, since the reasons he's raising are not very strong. He was at one point the primary force behind my wagon, I'd say; at least he was arguing his point. However, at a certain point he jumped off my vote and went to Alakaslam instead. If he's scum, he could have convincingly stayed on my wagon for a great deal longer than he did - hell, he could have rode that wagon all the way to a mislynch without looking terminally scummy. He wasn't under a great deal of pressure to move his vote at that point, except from me - I have difficulty seeing the direct scum motivation for this move. Question: After switching vote to Alakaslam, do you think Onegu *could* have switched his vote back to me without looking absolutely awful, whatever his actual alignment? As such, was he actually as apathetic to the lynch as the final place his vote ended up might indicate? Onegu had already taken a fair bit of responsibility for his read on me. Furthermore, do you think Onegu was capable of effectively arguing against the strong prevailing thread sentiment towards the end of the day? I don't. 2) Just because he's wrong, and hasn't made accurate cases, is no guarantee that Onegu is scum. The question you have to ask yourself is "Is Onegu honestly searching the thread and trying to find scum?". Again, for me, this is a definite maybe. I still want to see Onegu play some more to convince myself whether he is sincere in his accusations. Other people in this game are reading filters and making high-level, rational conclusions from their overal understanding of the game, and that's a town indication for me. Scum prefer to nitpick because it's harder for them to be caught out in a lie or inconsistency, and is inherently less work. They're not interested in That being said, just because someone isn't effectively hunting for scum doesn't mean they aren't trying to hunt for scum. I think the most important thing in trying to read Onegu is to assess whether he is honestly and sincerely trying to find scum. tl;dr I think there is a reasonable explanation for Onegu's actions from both a town and a scum perspective. I stopped martyring a while ago because there aren't enough town for town to benefit from an info lynch anymore! I don't seek a martyr now. On your Onegu argument: On June 26 2013 11:54 Alakaslam wrote: StimaDDict, you are attacking Aquanim from a position that is really strange. I'm so scummy it's crazy, yet you attack Aquanim? + Show Spoiler + unless I'm so scummy people feel I'm a dead man posting X_X Your filter is only a page long. I'll admit mine is mostly fluff, but it's still 3 pages. What have you done to aid town? A bandwagon and a retraction on that bandwagon, and this attack on Aquanim. Defense youselfs you, you! You are scumread of the nooob until you do. And while you're at it, make a REAL case that isn't based on the first 12 pages of the thread. That discussion about nn was so useless and nobody was stupid enough to claim so I'm going to find whoever started it, and see if they strike me as scummy in their filter. OH YEAH- you brought it up again. That is a little scummy too, hmm... Of course I'm more scummy than you so whatever, take it or leave it folks. Though the POWA of the FILTA has EMPOWAHD ME!!!! Still, watch for orange folks! + Show Spoiler + oh, uh, and maybe RED. Duh. . . Reason to watch for orange as well as red: On June 26 2013 09:40 Alakaslam wrote: Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you... WATCH OUT FOR ORANGE. THAT IS RIGHT WHERE SCUM WANTS TO BE! Nonetheless, StimaDDict is still my scum read. | ||
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On June 27 2013 14:27 Onegu wrote: This doesnt make any sense... You will be makeing a post for Chrmatically? I'm going to quote chrom after this. Problem is I have to edit it to get it smaller and I need to have something useful to say about it. | ||
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On June 27 2013 10:01 Chromatically wrote: Sponge and Tofu are almost certain town. DO NOT LYNCH THEM. I highly doubt that anyone will be able to convince me that they're scum. They've been the most active this game, they are open with their reads, they push their reads, they're not trying to blend in, and their posts show a clear protown attitude. The Tofu lying thing bothers me a bit, but I'm willing to overlook it on account of a) the fact that his explanation holds together and b) the sheer amount of TOWN in his filter. I think that these reads should be pretty obvious to anyone who looks through their filters. The mindset that their posts come from is clearly town. Spicy, hz, Aqua, and Alaka (in rough order of decreasing town) are all unlikely scum. I'm almost certainly wrong on at least one of them, but I have no idea who. Spicy in particular might look wierd here, as I was on him for his voting, but his Xzav read looks genuine if you look at his filter. He has several reasons for not voting Xzav, and he sticks to those reasons in the face of aggression from the town. It would have been very possible for scum Spicy to avoid drawing attention here by simply giving in, but he sticks to his read. He even backs down from one of his points when I argue him on it, but still explains why he has the read. That's very town to me + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2013 00:38 Spicydinosaur wrote: Fair point the on WIFOM. For me it just comes down to the fact that i dont see this as a scum xzavier given his last game play and self reflection afterwards with his bad reads. I just don't buy a scum xzavier not having some type of read or questions about cases out by the time of the vote. The rest of his filter is townie, as I've said before. He has active conversations with the thread, his reads change in genuine ways, and he doesn't really look to be blending in. In particular, the shitfight with Tofu isn't something that scum would want to get into. It puts the spotlight on Spicy, but he kept up with his logic the whole time and didn't resort to emotional attacks or backing down and sulking away. hz has been making some wierd and nonsensical arguments, but he's active in the thread and feels genuine and townie (in addition to what I've said in the past). Alaka has been posting a lot of nonsense. This gives me town feels because he is not being careful AT ALL. He's done the opposite of blending in, he's drawn so much attention to himself that I can't believe a scum would willingly do. He's been asking for people to vote him off, which is pretty risky to do as scum because it's so frowned upon. All of this makes me really think that he is just town that has an extremely odd way of playing the game. The reason that he's so low on this list is that it's possible that he's actually SCUM with a really wierd way of playing the game. Stim and Meow (in order of decreasing town) are likely scum. I was thinking that Meow was town day 1, but a reread of him makes this less likely for a few reasons. First, he's pretty much the definition of "blending in". He posts the bare minimum so that he's not noticed, and it's been working very well. Compared to Stim, Meow has been virtually unnoticed (partially my fault, I know). His reads completely echo town sentiment. What I saw as "looking for scum" earlier really is just him asking some random questions in one post and never following up on them. He's also been completely absent post-lynch and for this whole night phase. I'll continue on this in a separate post. Onegu is probably scum. I (and Tofu) have already said why. This post jumped in importance by leaps and bounds after that flip. I do have a weird way of playing the game: losing it + Show Spoiler + both the game and my head Notice "I was able to refrain from posting for a while though. That is an improvement in calming down." (read spoiler) + Show Spoiler + No it's not, I had work all day. But what I DID learn from that is that we aren't as vicious against lurkers as I thought, I can collect my thoughts before posting and thereby be better town. Should have done this a long time ago. Read that spoiler unless you're skimming. It is important. My read on this? I have suspicions toward Onegu, especially as Chrom's strongest scum read, but there are things about him I stated in my defense of him to FirmTofu as well as one other thing I won't waste the time and energy elaborating on. It would just be fluff. And also: FirmTofu fulfilled my requirement to get me to vote Onegu. I could do it now. But my actual original self made scumread that I'm not very proud of but that I'll stand by is StimaDDict. As the other policy lynch I would say vote him, but we don't have the manpower for policy lynches anymore! SO- Let's go, make cases, PROVE OUR TOWNIE INNOCENCE (I think we have neglected that some of us ) and MOST importantly SCUMHUNT WITH PRECISION! I'll work on StimaDDict, I figure I have made a case I had better make it stronger. | ||
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StimaDDict. Have you given up or what? Has anything changed about your opinion on Aquanim? | ||
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For refrence, 15 is 23 my time. So if you look at my filter you'll see I have had a crazy sleep schedule, which may have contributed to my uselessness and edginess. | ||
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On June 28 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote: I want to post something before I sleep. I am the Pink Ranger and I watched Alakaslam last night and he was visited by my biggest town read last night. I wont say who that is because I dont want them to be a target. This is so appropos I am green!! XD why do you think I was suspicious of you? We are both town you just confirmed Ty so much Onegu, see 1)had work all day today 2)was thinking you visited hurricane to role lock possibly or something DO NOT VOTE ONEGU HE IS TOWN! will catch up bear with me!! | ||
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On June 28 2013 08:44 FirmTofu wrote: He is claiming that either Spicy or hzflank is a blue town role that visited Alakaslam last right. He refuses to say which of the two, but it is very easy to narrow down for any observer. What purpose did it serve to keep town in the dark? Either hzflank or Spicy needs to confirm what Onegu is saying about them, otherwise an Onegu lynch remains inevitable. Even if hzflank or Spicy confirm, we have to consider that they may be in a mafia team together. We will need to gather evidence for and against this and analyze it with the information we have at our disposal. It could also be the case that Onegu is a mafia tracker who tracked a town hzflank or Spicy to Alakaslam's house. We would also have to find evidence to refute this possibility. Wait who visited me? No wait I need to tea his claim again HE watched Hurricane- he visited hurricane, may as well spill the beans now that I am a class A idiot. | ||
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On June 28 2013 09:46 Aquanim wrote: Onegu should claim NOTHING more until Alakaslam tells us whether he was roleblocked or not. I was not i am reading too fast I am going to be really hard to for me to think right now adrenalin rug | ||
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On June 28 2013 10:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I seem to be the only one defending Alakaslam. At this point, I'm willing to consider that my read is wrong. Reading through his filter, I just seem to get the over-eager vibe from a guy who's really new to (and maybe not suited for) this game. I'm not in the business of defending people when they should be defending themselves, but I honestly don't think he has the ability to capably defend himself. His first reaction when pressured was to throw in the towel and martyr'd hard: Alakaslam, can you clear up this post for me? The bolded phrase in particular. Pah I was certain I would be lynched. People would see my role and I wa going to put a bunch of pics of Anthony Perkins in the original Psycho because he is the ultimate freaky stalker type and I look like him irl. Mods know this perhaps too well. Taking this game about 10% seriously at that point | ||
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On June 28 2013 09:17 FirmTofu wrote: @Hurricane Are you not even willing to consider that Onegu may have lied about his claim? Are we just going to throw away all of the scum reads that we have built up over the course of the thread because of one claim that hasn't even been verified? I still don't see how this claim exonerates Onegu from a lynch when any scum could have easily pulled it off. Oh SHIIIIT! Argh OMGIS x infinity Hurricane I am not very fit to play this game especially commuting between CA and AZ every other day and playing late at night gonna /out aperture 2, I am noooooot ready. Gimme sec brb | ||
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On June 28 2013 10:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I have issued some questions to Alakaslam. Hopefully he responds to them, and has something to say about the Onegu claim. This is a very important moment in the game for your, Alakaslam. Please try to organize your thoughts and respond to each point with a clear, simple answer. We do not need commentary at this time. Just facts. ... Word, wish I saw this first. | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:34 Alakaslam wrote: This is so appropos[b] I am green ranger[b] the tracker on town side! XD why do you think I was suspicious of you? We are both town you just confirmed Ty so much Onegu, see 1)had work all day today 2)was thinking you visited hurricane to role lock possibly or something DO NOT VOTE ONEGU HE IS TOWN! will catch up bear with me!! ^^ edited quote for clarity | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:56 Onegu wrote: Quick thing before I walk out the door, I watched you Alakaslam, someone who I have a town read on visited you. I was hopeing to either confirm my suspicions on you or see if you are town by who visited you, I was unable to do so as the person who visited you doesnt confirm anything, except it makes me wonder why he visited you and the only thing I can think of is he thinks you are scum also. This makes me lean scum on you. It in no way clears you. How is this possible? You visited hurricane sponge too then- you can watch two people? Otherwise you are lying and the perfect bait play because you knew I watched you and had to do something because/. Coming I need to be clear first. I am green ranger. I watched Onegu. He visited Hurricane Sponge. That is all I know. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:00 FirmTofu wrote: Okay. We have a claim of tracker from Alakaslam. Onegu and Alakaslam cannot be on the same team because their claims contradict one another. Fast how do you know this? If this is certain Onegu is actually 100% scum I know I am weakest to claim that but please, please that is why I kept saying "town prove my innocence I need cred it was because of my blue! I got paranoid early because as blue I saw a responsibility to survive! I got worse and worse at it so I martyred knowing that would at least let town know to be cautious with reads then I saw Onegu visit hurricane at 9 pm and went "yes! Onegu is scum and shot, hurricane is dead- then I see chrome flip and I go shit , I have no info agai And waffle and such | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote: Alakaslam claims Onegu visited Hurricane. Onegu claims his "strongest town read" visited Alakaslam. These actions are incompatible. Onegu claims he visited Alakaslam and Alakaslam claims Onegu visited Hurricane. We can deduce that Alakaslam and Onegu are NOT of the same alignment. The obvious thing for me then is ##Vote: Onegu. First scum lynch! Guaranteed! | ||
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He so threw off my game that I needed to know more about him. Was he my teacher and critic or my puppet master? Teacher and mentor has been (well duh, Hapahauli and ObviousOne, but I am too stupid for it to work) but Hurricane. Found what I thought would be nothin now I am the key to catching Onegu. Who would have thought I could finally be useful to town. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:11 hzflank wrote: It also means that there is no chance of a mislynch on Onegu. The outcomes are: Lynch scum Onegu. Lynch scum Alakaslam. Lynch scum Alakaslam while revealing a blue role. Excuse me but what happens with (Hypothetical, I KNoW now) lynch town Onegu? | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:13 hzflank wrote: Be careful with your words. You claimed to Track Onegu, not to Watch him. Thank you. What is the difference? But yeah as my role is Tracker, I tracked him. There will be no blue to vouch for him. He is lying. His scum play is incredible compared to us, he has led the game like a true puppet master and destroyed me singlehandedly. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote: If his strongest read is scum and we mislynch Alakaslam, then we have 2 100% confirmed scum reads. NO dude, he is LYING- if I flip town his statements mean nothing! Are YOU scum?? | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:18 Onegu wrote: I agree read shouldnt reveal as we dont want them to know all of our blue roles. ##VOTE:ALAKASLAM Don't worry you know he won't (rolls eyes). He doesn't exist if it is possible for town to win with a myslynch on me my goodbye post will be  and pictures of my good friend Norman and Bamcis music link from YouTube because you will be guaranteed next lynch. I have sealed your fate!On an aside, Onegu- nothing personal. I read your blog, my mother has issues with you know what as well. Best of wishes to you my good man, and people, the lurking claims- seriously? He has posted every day and I see very little pressure on freaking stimaddict. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:20 Onegu wrote: i am not lieing there is a blue role who can vouch for me. He shouldnt and I will not reveal him even if there is a mislynch on me if you mislynch me and the blue reveals scum will night kill him and we most likely willnot have anymore blues. Dude you are already a master. But if you win this, enjoy your last night, because it will be your last. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:27 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah, but we don't have to sacrifice the townie at all. Lynching Onegu gives us more information than lynching Alakaslam. If Onegu flips town, we lynch Alakaslam. If Onegu flips scum, we lynch his "best town read" If Alakaslam flips town, we lynch Onegu. If Alakaslam flips scum, we are back to square 1. Did he actually say who that was? No, because 1. It would give away his lie or 2. He would be revealing a blue role. So snip what I bolded, because it's not true. Don't care if it helps my case, I want my case to win obviously but we need truth and clarity. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote: Hzflank has not said anything that implicates him as scum. Please do not antagonize him further because it will only hurt your case on Onegu. Yes he has, but I will stop because you are also right. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:31 hzflank wrote: I have not yet decided. There is a lot of new information to digest. Ok. You could very well be town I think. So what I just put is irrelevant. You could still be scum but until that one thing my gut sai town for you. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:34 hzflank wrote: Let me put this simply: If (IF IF IF, dont ignore this IF) Onegu is set to be lyched, then someone may or may not claim that they visited Alakaslam last night. If someone does not make that claim then we lynch Onegu. If someone does make that claim then we lynch Alakaslam. If the claimer was telling the truth then Alakaslam flips red. If the claimer was lying then it is 100% confirmed that both the claimer and Onegu are scum, so we lynch then on days 3 and 4. That would probably leave us at 3 town and 1 scum remaining. You are town. This is awesome, you have done what I was trying to think of how to do. Epic, I don't mind if I get lynched now but PLEASE folks don't be OMGiS like me. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:35 hzflank wrote: That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum. What is that please? | ||
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That is not what I asked you what would lea to Lylo? I need to know how badly I need to defend my case | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:43 FirmTofu wrote: @hzflank Your argument seems to be that a blue claim may come out to save Onegu from a lynch today. I respectfully disagree. Based on current information, a scumbuddy of Onegu's would never come out and guarantee his own demise the following 2 days(along with Onegu's). It is completely irrational. Scum should cut their losses at Onegu and force us to scumhunt to find the last few of them. This is a newbie game why didnt you allow this to happen? I would have giggled with glee. | ||
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Listen to tofu and hz. Onegu lynch will (somehow, you still haven't answered how we know who his strongest town read is so that we lynch him when Onegu flips red) lead to info anyway, and stun and meow have lurked so much that surviving a Lylo looks too hard for me to be willing to see town risk it. Man I wish I could put some strength behind my word! Look, if I explained (again- rolleyes) how I broke down into a small little fluffy man, would that help anyone? | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:50 Aquanim wrote: @Onegu You have said you don't want to reveal who you saw visiting Alakaslam because you don't want to out a town power role, and you believe that the person you saw is town. The possible town power roles in this game are: Veteran - doesn't visit anybody Vigilante - Alakaslam is not dead so it can't be this Parity Cop - is already dead, there won't be more than one Jailkeeper - If somebody in fact JK'd Alakaslam they should claim and he will be confirmed scum Tracker - If there was another tracker in the game they would counterclaim Onegu Watcher - there won't be more than one Therefore, there are NO town power roles which you can expose by claiming who you saw visit Alakaslam. The only possibilities are Nosy Neighbour or a scum power role. I see no possible downside to you claiming who you saw visit Alakaslam. I would like for you to do this. I would kiss your feet for this aqua if not for the mod note that said there can be as many of anything. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:53 FirmTofu wrote: I believe his "strongest town read" is SpicyDinosaur due to the process of elimination I mentioned before. I will quote it for you if you would like. That's alright I believe you we need focus + Show Spoiler + Archon! | ||
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I have to drop a dude off on LA, and then go down from Anaheim from there. This just went from a comfy phone check during a bath to a full blown phone in bed scenario. I don't want to die irl falling asleep at the wheel and get modkilled now do I? Remember irl everyone but stim, meow, what's the deal. Goodnight. | ||
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On June 28 2013 17:43 hzflank wrote: Alaka is sleeping then driving to MLG. He may be afk for a long time. Both damn and god bless night piss. Hi there, it's 2AM... Hurricane. My pm is very concise and to the point. I tracked Onegu. He visited you. Anyone notice my original reaction? Does that make sense as scum? Onegu had all the time in the world to make a fakeclaim, while I was pondering what happened at night for a long time. So at first Onegu talks about strong town and me and I assume he is confirming what happened, rather than realizing it contradicts. Why would scum do that rather than some better response? This is a destiny bond situation, not good for scum. | ||
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On June 28 2013 22:06 hzflank wrote: Hurricane confirmed it. I did not like the way that he confirmed it, as you will read. However, Hurricane was my strongest town read and he was extremely tired at the time. you lie. Vote this guy in the Lylo! | ||
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I also apologize for basically giving mafia the game in a bottle rocket. | ||
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Hurricane never confirmed this, never CONFIRMED- he simply told town do not jump to conclusions. Scum would push for my lynch so would misconstrue what Hurricane said because he is leading us right now. He has the most credence. | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:16 hzflank wrote: Are you crazy? If Onegu flips red then you think that I am the most likely scum? If Onegu flips red then there is a really obvious scum player, and it is not me. Not if Onegu is red I I am blue. | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:16 hzflank wrote: Are you crazy? If Onegu flips red then you think that I am the most likely scum? If Onegu flips red then there is a really obvious scum player, and it is not me. Who? I sure hope I'm crazy! Would be easier if the lurkers were the only other scum. I don't believe this though. | ||
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Ebwop bold | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:20 Spicydinosaur wrote: Stop avoiding me and answer my question about why you changed your mind about me. Can it wait for Night? Not necessarily suggesting that, just asking to gauge importance. | ||
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Ebwop bbcode strikes again confirmed it. HI SCUM. This is NOT a CONFIRMATION at all! This may be a strong hint but it can't be confirmation because that is false! | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:27 Spicydinosaur wrote: Glad you confirmed you lied again to try and get my vote on onegu as you came up with no explanation. You gonna look bad after flip | ||
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Meow and stim I'm not the only one giving this game away if you're town. | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Some power rangers related picture thing votecount (without the picture) Onegu (4): StiMaDDict (0): FirmTofu (0): Alakaslam (4): Not Voting: StiMaDDict LoneMeow Onegu is set to be relegated to guest roles on other TV shows for all eternity! If there are any mistakes, blame Geript. (But also let us know!) Day 2 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] Wait what? WoS look at that again | ||
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I call again to my initial reaction. Does that seem like a fabricated scenario? I was totally thinking I was agreeing with Onegu, not contradicting him. I was even laughing about green not keeping his eyes off pink! And then what. My slow realization that I was starting a much bigger event... Please explain how my reaction looks calculated at all. Because its not, and it's OMGiS again. At least it may turn out well. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.urbantitan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Psycho-1960-Alfred-Hitchcock-Anthony-Perkins-pic-4.jpg) No video, music is gone GG, I had so much fun when Hurricane posted the bbcode stuff XD At least now I can catch up after MLG, don't have obligation to follow anymore. | ||
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On July 06 2013 05:49 Chromatically wrote: I still think that "scumslip" could just as easily be a miswording from a townie. "You have to remember that scum have a tracker" ==> "You have to remember that scum could have a tracker" and the rest of his point works just as well. ^^proof once again that Blazinghand is always right. | ||
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On July 06 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote: yeah except it was a proper slip. it COULD have been a miswording, but likelihood is that it isn't, probably. Further it wasn't the only time on day 1 he slipped something like that. Once it happens twice... well, yeah ^^ BAH NO lalalalala. I can't hear you | ||
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On July 06 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Well look at that, NMM XLIV is up! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227 That flavour, man. Wait! No! I'm in nuclear winter! Didnt know it moved so fast! AUGH!! | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:35 hzflank wrote: Thanks Adam. Regarding the claims on day 2 leading to the Alakaslam lynch: What do you think about the way that Alakaslam counter claimed? He did not counter and call Onegu scum. Alakaslam accidentally counter claimed and came to the conclusion that it meant both Onegu and he were town. With that in mind, is it still more likely that the person who made the original claim is scum? Well I misread. I later, upon rereading, KNEW he was scum. Can't remember if I said so. | ||
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On July 07 2013 04:29 Blazinghand wrote: the real moral of the story isn't that scum don't make scumslips, but that people don't understand scumslips very well. town "slips" knowledge that they don't have all the time. Scum actually scumslips, also. Things like slipping the number of scum in a game, or the presence/absence of a scum tracker (especially with ambiguous wording, and especially because scum almost never have trackers) are certainly slips, but unless you can show they're slips that townies wouldn't make by accident it's not valuable. most scumslips that people latch onto are things townies can, and do say. I scumslip about as often when town as I do when scum. The real double moral of the story is that "scumslip" is a pretty bad method of distinguishing scum from town Seriously though, BH blows my mind every time, every time! | ||
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