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On June 27 2013 07:42 FirmTofu wrote:
I didn't come forward after my lie because it would just detract from what we need to be doing, pursuing scum reads. Suppose I did tell everyone I lied. Then suddenly, all the attention shifts to me and I end up wasting time defending myself instead of looking at other reads. Because I know I am town, and I want town to win, I didn't tell everyone that I lied and hoped that it would go unnoticed. Unfortunately, that did not happen, and I did have to waste time defending myself.
Who cares you should have come forward as soon as night cycle started then gave your reasons and things could have been cleared up fast, but you didnt you got caught in a lie and tried to smooth things over after being caught. I am sure you hoped it went unnoticed because it is a scum tell!
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On June 27 2013 18:33 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 18:25 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:19 Aquanim wrote:
@Onegu: The prevailing thread sentiment at the moment appears to be that you are a favoured lynch for today. I imagine you don't want that, so who do you think we should lynch instead? Your goal should be to persuade the thread that your scum read is more likely to flip scum than you are. My strongest read to flip scum is firmtofu, he has lied and bullied to get his vote on someone he said wasnt likely to flip scum. That has got to be the worst interpretation of my actions I have ever read. My lie was told to Hurricane to save Aquanim from a lynch. My "bullying"(I don't even agree with this term) was so Alakaslam would vote for you. When did I say you were not likely to flip scum, exactly?
Not me you said Xzavier wasnt likely to flip scum.
And what you did is bullying, telling some one to do something and if they dont you will label them scum and get them lynched is bullying.
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On June 28 2013 00:57 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 18:33 FirmTofu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:25 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:19 Aquanim wrote:
@Onegu: The prevailing thread sentiment at the moment appears to be that you are a favoured lynch for today. I imagine you don't want that, so who do you think we should lynch instead? Your goal should be to persuade the thread that your scum read is more likely to flip scum than you are. My strongest read to flip scum is firmtofu, he has lied and bullied to get his vote on someone he said wasnt likely to flip scum. That has got to be the worst interpretation of my actions I have ever read. My lie was told to Hurricane to save Aquanim from a lynch. My "bullying"(I don't even agree with this term) was so Alakaslam would vote for you. When did I say you were not likely to flip scum, exactly? Not me you said Xzavier wasnt likely to flip scum.And what you did is bullying, telling some one to do something and if they dont you will label them scum and get them lynched is bullying.
No I didn't. Please quote where I said Xzavier wasn't likely to flip scum.
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On June 27 2013 20:43 FirmTofu wrote:FirmTofu's Case Against OneguPoint #1: Onegu seems to be looking for reasons to vote me that he doesn't necessarily even agree with. Example: Onegu initially states that meta is bad and you should "stop trying to meta peoples play." Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 16:10 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 15:46 Alakaslam wrote:On June 24 2013 15:35 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 15:32 Alakaslam wrote:
I know I sai I'd go but this came up.
From the post for us newbs:
"Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread."
I have already messed up in this regard and I apologize. But note some folks have also talked about meta from previous newbie games and I don't think we are allowed to do that either. Will ask In green tomorrow when not trying to go to bed and when at computer. (iPhone)
We are ok since the games we are talking about have finished already. Sweet! Thanks again Onegu. I think I'll read those then- Tomorrow. Man this is worse than angry birds, I am thoroughly addicted. For now here is a list, so ALL of town can meta :D http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412757http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359Sorry that there is no meta on me, I'm that new. Note that some players may not only have played newbie games. Search their names! How late you want me up, midnight? I get up at 5 tomorrow! Also, check that you don't get into the above error first. Ok guys meta on peoples play you shold have played with that person at least 5 times, as this is impossible please stop trying to meta peoples play. It is ok to infer somethings on game setup, but people are still learning thier playstyle in a newbie game so you cannot base a scum read on meta play in noob games... Then, when he wants to make a case against me, he uses my failure to use meta as an excuse to call me scummy. Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 20:58 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote:As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game. Again this is jsut posting about a discussion we were haveing and posting something on it but not actually giving a good reason. Sorry it is boring is not a legitimate reason to do or not do something in mafia. It seems like Onegu has differing views on meta depending on when it is convenient for him to think one way or another.
Point #2: Onegu switched his vote from Aquanim to Alakaslam rather arbitrarily, suggesting that he knew Aquanim would flip town and everyone would blame him, so he moved to his "second best" scum read. Example: Here we see Onegu buiding a case for Aquanim and establishing that he believes Alakaslam is "noob scum" and is a lower priority lynch to Aquanim. I have bolded all relevant areas. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 16:58 Onegu wrote:On June 25 2013 16:48 FirmTofu wrote:On June 25 2013 16:45 Onegu wrote:On June 25 2013 16:33 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 16:01 Onegu wrote:On June 25 2013 15:50 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 15:48 fyfy wrote:
I'm getting the read now that Aquanim is more scum than Xzavier as Aqua seems to be extremely defensive and I maintain my belief that Xzavier just types like a scum. Reading through the discussion, I am under the belief that Aquanim is scum.
##Vote: Aquanim Can you explain this some more? What exactly about my play do you think is scum-motivated? Can you please post your case against me as the only thing you have said is I didnt respond when things were going on, well I was going to sleep when HZ posted his case, I responded to the NN thing and have scum hunted and tried to create a useful town atmosphere. I have no idea what this request has to do with the post you quoted, but whatever... The first page and a half or so of your filter is just talking about policy, power roles and random fluff without any particular intention of finding scum. This isn't damning in as of itself, early game does tend to be like that, but the entirety of your efforts in the direction of finding scum is an overwhelming tunnel of myself. As far as I can tell, you haven't looked at anyone else at all, and endlessly tunneling a likely lynch target for the day while repeating the same old arguments (made by other people before you, mostly) over and over is a good way to look active while not actually bringing anything new to the table or having to pretend to do some original scumhunting. You haven't made any significant and new contributions to the thread, which is scum's natural state. That being said, I think it's possible that you're town and that you think tunneling me like this is accomplishing something, which is why I'm voting Xzavier over you. Actually I have made a scum hunt albit small on alakaslam, I think he is noob scum which isnt as important as killing a scum who knows what they are doing. Jesus Christ bud, if you think he's scum, by all means vote him. It's not like you know of any scum who know what they're doing, so you not voting for Alakasam is extremely suspicious to me. If I have 2 scum reads I am going to vote for the one that is the biggest threat to town. And the reason I think he is scum is he posts only fluff offers no posts to help town and offers no reads on anyone at all. The only thing he has said is spicy and onegu defend yourself. Then he dissapears, I feel this is super noob scum play but in no way is dangerous to town, on the other hand aqua has posted dangerous even harmful ideas toward town. Then, as soon as he is pressured, he backs away from Aquanim. CONTEXT! At this point, removing his vote caused the tiebreak scenario between the lynch of Xzavier and the lynch of Aquanim to be lifted. In essence, this move sealed Xzavier's fate and saved Aquanim from being a probable lynch. This ensured that Onegu would not look suspicious post-lynch because he wouldn't be responsible for the death of a townie.Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:08 Onegu wrote:On June 25 2013 17:35 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 17:27 hzflank wrote:Xzavier, Onegu and I all seem to have similar opinions on scum voting, yet we all seem to have greatly differing personalities. This leads me to believe that Xzavier and Onegu are town, as I think they arrived at their opinions by looking at the situation from a town point of view. The only slight worry I have on Xzavier is: On June 25 2013 14:33 Xzavier wrote:
Whats the massive scum yell. cuz im not gonna lie. i skimmed threw all the noisy neighbor spam just to see who was asking for them to claim. no other part of it means anything to me xD But that could just be a character trait or a lack of time. On the whole I am uncomfortable with the votes on Xzavier. Is there anything about Xzavier and Onegu's play which makes you think they're town besides where their vote is? Personally, I can't see anything about their play which makes me think they're looking at this game with a town mentality and actually searching for scum, rather than just jumping on the only other wagon going. I think they are likely scum but I have a much townier read on you because I can see you're thinking about the game and critically evaluating your reads. Their arguments, on the other hand, are mostly "herp derp he disagreed with us about nosy neighbours" and "look at this single post and how it agrees with something someone else said, that's so scummy!". I don't think either of them could sincerely believe I'm scum based on the arguments they've presented. You said you had some questions for me, will they be forthcoming soon? Ok fine I will admit my case on you with my own findings isnt that strong. And looking at Alakaslam again he is my stronger case. ##: UNVOTE
##: VOTE ALAKASLAMBut if we lynch Xzavier and he flips town we will be lynching you day 2.
Point #3: Onegu was wanted to lynch Aquanim if Xzavier flipped town, but post-lynch, he didn't even pursue Aquanim at all. (See last quoted post) The most critical part of this post lies in the last sentence. What changed? Why did he give up on Aquanim? Nearly all of Onegu's case for me relies on events that happened prior to this post. There is absolutely no reason for him to suddenly switch his vbest scum read from Aquanim to me. A townie in this position after Xzavier's flip as town would pursue Aquanim to no end. The only explanation here is that Onegu is scum, and he sees me as a greater threat to his mafia team than Aquanim.
Point #4: Onegu declared his apathy to both the Xzavier and Aquanim lynches shortly thereafter with no developments other than his case for Alakaslam. Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me. Note: He reiterates that if Xzavier flips town, Onegu's vote will go to Aquanim. This is further evidence for Point #2 and is also indicative that Onegu still has not shifted his suspicions onto me. He says he has scum reads on Alakaslam and Aqua, but doesn't vote for Aqua who was the only one likely to be lynched that day. The scum reasoning behind this is that he doesn't want to be suspected post lynch(Point #2). A townie would be willing to push their second best scum read(Aquanim) if he was the only scum read that was even on the table. Only scum would try and pretend as though Alakaslam was a viable option. Elaboration on why apathy is a problem: Onegu's apathy towards the lynch on day 1 is a clear scum tell. An honest townie, in his position, would never have switched from voting Aquanim to voting Alakaslam. Even if the townie thought Aquanim was a sub-optimal lynch, he would have been willing to pursue it was the lynch that was even remotely likely to go through that he agreed with. However, scum Onegu was obviously apathetic about the lynch because he knew that, no matter what, a townie would die. Therefore, to clear himself of blame, he quickly got off the wagon he was currently on and allowed the other wagon to take precedence. This way, no one could accuse him of being the reason for getting a townie killed. It was a brilliant move, until of course, he was honest about his true intentions.
Point #5: Onegu's entire case against me is a scummy OMGUS that only serves to maim my authority and credibility. The only thing that happened right after post-lynch was that Chromatically and I drafted up separate cases against Onegu. Nothing else changed. There was absolutely no reason for Onegu to change his scum read of Aquanim to suddenly attack me. Here is his case for reference. + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 20:58 Onegu wrote:Going to make a case on FirmTofu also as looking over his filter looks scummy also. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote:Scum Hunt Day 1:On June 24 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
hey guys Analysis: Trying to appear friendly with an innocuous greeting. Seems to project an air of insecurity. Preliminary Conclusion: Scum On June 24 2013 11:01 StiMaDDict wrote:
so it begins.. Analysis: Neutral statement of fact. Preliminary Conclusion: Need more information. On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Analysis: Exudes power with strong capitalization techniques along with a greeting. Preliminary Conclusion: A leader with a powerful role. On June 24 2013 11:03 Xzavier wrote:
Spicy <3 hello again. Analysis: Trying to establish a connection with a player that he has interacted with prior to this game. A metagaming, manipulative sort of move. Preliminary Conclusion: Scummy On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote:
Why so scummy, Spicy? Analysis: First baseless accusation. As the old chinese proverb states, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Preliminary Conclusion: Scum Suggested Lynch: Chromatically His first post is nothing, it doesnt promote a good town atmosphere nor does it get anyone to defend themself as the cases are just BS. Show nested quote +As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game. Again this is jsut posting about a discussion we were haveing and posting something on it but not actually giving a good reason. Sorry it is boring is not a legitimate reason to do or not do something in mafia. As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and##Vote: fyfy because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim. Show nested quote +As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and##Vote: fyfy because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim. Such a wierd choice on who to vote but more on this in a moment. Show nested quote +It wasn't pure spam, and I certainly hoped it would generate discussion. I knew I could not really say anything of substance at that point, so I decided to do something fun that would get people talking. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. When you look at this post and contrast it to some first few posts, you can clearly see that singling me out as a target is rather silly.
But it was pure spam, when you say it was something fun that means it is spam. Show nested quote +Just because Stim seems scummier than fyfy doesn't mean fyfy shouldn't be voted. I wanted fyfy to talk and I wanted to draw attention to him. That was the reason for my vote. Nothing more, nothing less. We can address Stim now that I am awake. But why try to get someone who hasnt talked at all to try to talk? Someone who you know has posted and is most likely to post again is a much better choice to pressure, unless of course you dont want them to have to talk more... Show nested quote +I almost agree with everything you said. The problem arises when you realize that the case you've made for aqua is a hell of a lot stronger than the case you've made for Chromatically. Is this something you have overlooked? Or are you deliberately weaving a story to pit town against one another? For the time being, it's hard to tell one way or the other, but I did enjoy reading. So you agree with almost everything? Show nested quote +Regardless, I see your story as a plausible conspiracy theory, at best. Acting upon it without further evidence is dangerous. Most of your post relies on speculation about the player's true motives. Show nested quote +I agreed with it in the sense that it was a plausible theory, not that it was particularly likely. For the record I have you both pegged as town and I think you are both wasting precious time accusing one another. His conspiracy idea arose mainly because you accused him of being scum. I see his post as a long-winded retaliation against your credibility to ensure that no one bandwagons him to oblivion. You agree with almost everything but its just plausable and you have town reads on both of them. What a quick backpeddle there, why so fast? Show nested quote +3) You defended fyfy while accusing me of not voting for Stim instead of fyfy. There was no reason to say that when both were perfectly good lurker targets that were largely interchangeable. But there was a big differance and in no way were they interchangeable as all you have to do is look at the ammount of posts they have had. Show nested quote +3) My point is your reason is stupid. What difference does one line of posting make? Seriously? Accusing me of being scum based on one line that someone else wrote? It makes a HUGE difference that one line means you know someone has posted and more likely to post again, while you do not know if the other will post or not. Show nested quote +2) For fyfy, I still hold that there is no difference between the lurkers and you claimed that there is a difference. I think your reasons for claiming that there is a difference are stupid and make no sense because only one line separated one from the other. Why do you continue to defend fyfy? It's quite intriguing. Why do you keep on there is no difference when there is one and spicy wasnt the only one to point it out, with fyfy fliping green this becomes much more relevant. Show nested quote +I would remind everyone of the voting rules.Voting rules:Voting is done in this thread. You cannot PM me your vote.Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion may not be counted. Vote counts will be updated whenever intermittently.No conditional voting.You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).You may vote for a No Lynch in the format: ##Vote: No LynchVoting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.If you do not think Chromatically is scum, then please vote either 1) No lynch or 2) Someone else.In the event of a tie, the person who gets voted up first, dies.
Why post this all it is is fluff and takes up space. Show nested quote +Sounds great! Could you consider looking through Xzavier's filter and reading Chromatically's case against Xzavier and consider voting for him? I would be willing to take you off my scum list if you would do that. So you are happy at first with my statement what changed? Show nested quote +I concur. The Xzavier lynch didn't actually have the highest chance of flipping scum for me; however, it definitely provided invaluable information that we can use throughout the game. I'm glad to see we agree. So you blast me for saying I have a better read on alakaslam but not voteing him then when I do vote him I am scum, but you didnt think the xzavier lynch didnt have the highest chance to flip scum? And me saying before the lynch I am ok with either lynch because the xzavier lynch gives town the most information, but when you say the same thing after the lynch that is perfectly ok? REALLY? Show nested quote +I disagree. vigi should shoot the target most likely to flip scum, and that is most definitely Onegu at this point.P.S. I wouldn't mind Spicy either *wink wink* Directing blue roles is bad and wrong dont do it. Show nested quote +So Alakaslam, if you want to clear yourself in my eyes, you are going to have to vote Onegu. That is the only way I can know for sure that you guys aren't on the same team. If he flips town(which is extremely unlikely), you are cleared of all blame.If he flips scum, you will be scrutinized, but I will take some time to reconsider because you did vote for him.Voting for Onegu is a win-win situation for you if you are town. The only reason you wouldn't vote him would be if you are scum.The ball is in your court.
This is bullying you say if you dont vote how I want you to then you are scum and I will come after you also. Show nested quote +Bullying? I don't see how this is bullying at all. I'm giving him a choice that he can choose to accept or not and I letting him know the consequences of his decision. If he doesnt make the choice you want him to then there will be consequences is the definition of bullying. Show nested quote +Also, Onegu isn't being pro-town by calling me scummy. He's being anti-town. Almost all of town agrees that I have been one of the most pro-town players this entire game. Where are these people and I would ask them to look at your filter again and go ahead and say you are one of the most pro-town people in this game. You have tunneled spicy, xzavier and me and havent done much else other than bully alakaslam andmpost fluff. And when Xzavier flips town you say you didnt even expect him to flip scum. Nearly all of his points refer to supposed "scum-tells" that occurred pre-lynch. If he thought those were scum-tells, why didn't he bother to bring it up when it actually mattered? Why did he conveniently start to think I was scummy RIGHT AFTER I accused him? The only explanation for this sort of behavior is that he doesn't actually think I am scummy, he is just looking for reasons to convince others to think I am scummy so no one will vote him.TL;DR: Please, don't take shortcuts reading this if you are town. I took a great deal of time to compile this and it is the best possible case against Onegu I could ever make. Skimming is not going to cut it. If you actually read this entire thing and don't agree that Onegu is at least a little scummy,without giving any valid reasoning, I am just going to assume you are scum.
Pont#1 I do agree we shouldnt use meta and I gave good legitamite reasons for why we shouldnt, my point was you said we shouldnt because it is boring.
Point#2 I never said Aqua would flip town, I always and still do think he will flip scum, I even made a case on him night 1. And when I swiched my vote Xzavier was still set to be lynched because he got his votes first.
Point #3 The only thing that changed is your lie and looking a ton more scummy. Once you are lynched I will be voteing Aqua again
Point #4 I have addressed this many times.
Point #5 My case is against a confirmed liar who lynched a townie who he said he didnt think would flip scum. My case against you is legit. I am sorry I didnt go over your filter day one I should have but it doesnt matter when I bring up a case on someone the points are still valid.
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On June 28 2013 01:08 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 00:57 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:33 FirmTofu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:25 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:19 Aquanim wrote:
@Onegu: The prevailing thread sentiment at the moment appears to be that you are a favoured lynch for today. I imagine you don't want that, so who do you think we should lynch instead? Your goal should be to persuade the thread that your scum read is more likely to flip scum than you are. My strongest read to flip scum is firmtofu, he has lied and bullied to get his vote on someone he said wasnt likely to flip scum. That has got to be the worst interpretation of my actions I have ever read. My lie was told to Hurricane to save Aquanim from a lynch. My "bullying"(I don't even agree with this term) was so Alakaslam would vote for you. When did I say you were not likely to flip scum, exactly? Not me you said Xzavier wasnt likely to flip scum.And what you did is bullying, telling some one to do something and if they dont you will label them scum and get them lynched is bullying. No I didn't. Please quote where I said Xzavier wasn't likely to flip scum.
I said Xzavier wasn't the MOST likely. I never said he wasn't likely.
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On June 26 2013 12:48 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:40 Chromatically wrote:
Tofu, I'm glad that we are thinking the same thing on Onegu.
I'm going to have another long look at Spicy and see if I can find some good reasons why he wasn't voting Xzav. It's possible that he might have been avoiding that for no reason to avoid suspicion.
I'm off the mind that the Xzav lynch had good reasoning behind it. Knowing what we knew, I would lynch him again (and a lot of strong town agreed with the reasoning, it seems). I concur. The Xzavier lynch didn't actually have the highest chance of flipping scum for me; however, it definitely provided invaluable information that we can use throughout the game. I'm glad to see we agree.
You say it here
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On June 28 2013 01:09 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:08 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 00:57 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:33 FirmTofu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:25 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 18:19 Aquanim wrote:
@Onegu: The prevailing thread sentiment at the moment appears to be that you are a favoured lynch for today. I imagine you don't want that, so who do you think we should lynch instead? Your goal should be to persuade the thread that your scum read is more likely to flip scum than you are. My strongest read to flip scum is firmtofu, he has lied and bullied to get his vote on someone he said wasnt likely to flip scum. That has got to be the worst interpretation of my actions I have ever read. My lie was told to Hurricane to save Aquanim from a lynch. My "bullying"(I don't even agree with this term) was so Alakaslam would vote for you. When did I say you were not likely to flip scum, exactly? Not me you said Xzavier wasnt likely to flip scum.And what you did is bullying, telling some one to do something and if they dont you will label them scum and get them lynched is bullying. No I didn't. Please quote where I said Xzavier wasn't likely to flip scum. I said Xzavier wasn't the MOST likely. I never said he wasn't likely.
I read it wrong but still you lie to push a lynch you didnt have the most confidence in the point still stands.
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And youmsay you hoped they lie wouldnt be caught. You case on me is based only on my apathy and that isnt a scum tell, my case on you is legit.
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On June 28 2013 01:15 Onegu wrote:
And youmsay you hoped they lie wouldnt be caught. You case on me is based only on my apathy and that isnt a scum tell, my case on you is legit.
I will leave it to town to decide which case is better. Townies, thoughts please?
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On June 27 2013 23:52 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:39 Aquanim wrote:
Still mulling over your case FirmTofu.
I would like to see Onegu's reply before making my comments. A few things to be wary of: Onegu is probably shitting his pants right now along with his scum team, who are currently trying to come up with the best plan that minimizes their losses. You need to hold Onegu accountable not only for his response, but also the time he takes to formulate one. The longer he takes, the more indicative it is that he is scum. I apologize for all the grammatical and spelling mistakes in my case against Onegu btw, I was really tired when I wrote that.
Wow very nice I was at the hospital, go read my blog I am disabled and my son is disabled so sometimes I have to take him or mymyself to the hospital, so the time it takes for me to respond is in no way a scum tell.
Really people have lives besides mafia so how long it takes for someone to respond is in no way a scum tell stop makeing up scum tells to push your lynches.
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On June 28 2013 00:32 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 00:11 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 27 2013 23:48 FirmTofu wrote:
@Spicy
After looking over my case on Onegu, what are your thoughts on him? Got a question on point 3: How do you pressure someone during a night cycle? Did you want him to make a new case on him? What were you expecting him to post? If he was sincere about his sentiment to vote aqua because of the way the lynch goes, then i would expect a case today or a damn good reason why he is backing off of that. Town has to maximize the night cycle to throw out all of their best scumreads so that in the event that they die, town will have the maximum possible information to work with from a sincere individual. If Onegu was town, he would have tunneled Aquanim instead of using an OMGUS tactic to discredit me. He, as town, should have already been convinced that Aqua was scum because of his statements the previous day that if Xzavier flipped town, Aqua was scum. Even though I accused him of being mafia, a town-focused Onegu would still consider Aquanim his best scumread instead of shifting attention onto me based on a flimsy case that relies on Day 1 reads that he could have just as easily made on Day 1 itself.
I made a case on Aqua during the night, after I made it I went through your filter and made a case on you. I have in no way stopped on aqua, aqua even says during day 2 that I am tunneling him...
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On June 28 2013 01:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:52 FirmTofu wrote:On June 27 2013 22:39 Aquanim wrote:
Still mulling over your case FirmTofu.
I would like to see Onegu's reply before making my comments. A few things to be wary of: Onegu is probably shitting his pants right now along with his scum team, who are currently trying to come up with the best plan that minimizes their losses. You need to hold Onegu accountable not only for his response, but also the time he takes to formulate one. The longer he takes, the more indicative it is that he is scum. I apologize for all the grammatical and spelling mistakes in my case against Onegu btw, I was really tired when I wrote that. Wow very nice I was at the hospital, go read my blog I am disabled and my son is disabled so sometimes I have to take him or mymyself to the hospital, so the time it takes for me to respond is in no way a scum tell. Really people have lives besides mafia so how long it takes for someone to respond is in no way a scum tell stop makeing up scum tells to push your lynches.
I didn't say it was a scum tell, I said it was indicative that you are more likely to be scum. You didn't tell us you were going to the hospital, so how am I supposed to know that. I hope your son is okay.
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Ebwop
But for now you are more scummy and my vote is on you
##VOTE: FirmTofu
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On June 28 2013 01:24 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 00:32 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 00:11 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 27 2013 23:48 FirmTofu wrote:
@Spicy
After looking over my case on Onegu, what are your thoughts on him? Got a question on point 3: How do you pressure someone during a night cycle? Did you want him to make a new case on him? What were you expecting him to post? If he was sincere about his sentiment to vote aqua because of the way the lynch goes, then i would expect a case today or a damn good reason why he is backing off of that. Town has to maximize the night cycle to throw out all of their best scumreads so that in the event that they die, town will have the maximum possible information to work with from a sincere individual. If Onegu was town, he would have tunneled Aquanim instead of using an OMGUS tactic to discredit me. He, as town, should have already been convinced that Aqua was scum because of his statements the previous day that if Xzavier flipped town, Aqua was scum. Even though I accused him of being mafia, a town-focused Onegu would still consider Aquanim his best scumread instead of shifting attention onto me based on a flimsy case that relies on Day 1 reads that he could have just as easily made on Day 1 itself. I made a case on Aqua during the night, after I made it I went through your filter and made a case on you. I have in no way stopped on aqua, aqua even says during day 2 that I am tunneling him...
Tunneling entails pushing for the lynch, not just criticizing his activities. Regardless, I suspect that you would be apathetic to a lynch between me or Aquanim, am I right?
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On June 28 2013 01:27 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:21 Onegu wrote:On June 27 2013 23:52 FirmTofu wrote:On June 27 2013 22:39 Aquanim wrote:
Still mulling over your case FirmTofu.
I would like to see Onegu's reply before making my comments. A few things to be wary of: Onegu is probably shitting his pants right now along with his scum team, who are currently trying to come up with the best plan that minimizes their losses. You need to hold Onegu accountable not only for his response, but also the time he takes to formulate one. The longer he takes, the more indicative it is that he is scum. I apologize for all the grammatical and spelling mistakes in my case against Onegu btw, I was really tired when I wrote that. Wow very nice I was at the hospital, go read my blog I am disabled and my son is disabled so sometimes I have to take him or mymyself to the hospital, so the time it takes for me to respond is in no way a scum tell. Really people have lives besides mafia so how long it takes for someone to respond is in no way a scum tell stop makeing up scum tells to push your lynches. I didn't say it was a scum tell, I said it was indicative that you are more likely to be scum. You didn't tell us you were going to the hospital, so how am I supposed to know that. I hope your son is okay.
Sometimes we dont know and have to see his doctor last minute, but tomorrow I have a doctors appointment and am not sure how long I will be gone.
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On June 28 2013 01:28 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:24 Onegu wrote:On June 28 2013 00:32 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 00:11 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 27 2013 23:48 FirmTofu wrote:
@Spicy
After looking over my case on Onegu, what are your thoughts on him? Got a question on point 3: How do you pressure someone during a night cycle? Did you want him to make a new case on him? What were you expecting him to post? If he was sincere about his sentiment to vote aqua because of the way the lynch goes, then i would expect a case today or a damn good reason why he is backing off of that. Town has to maximize the night cycle to throw out all of their best scumreads so that in the event that they die, town will have the maximum possible information to work with from a sincere individual. If Onegu was town, he would have tunneled Aquanim instead of using an OMGUS tactic to discredit me. He, as town, should have already been convinced that Aqua was scum because of his statements the previous day that if Xzavier flipped town, Aqua was scum. Even though I accused him of being mafia, a town-focused Onegu would still consider Aquanim his best scumread instead of shifting attention onto me based on a flimsy case that relies on Day 1 reads that he could have just as easily made on Day 1 itself. I made a case on Aqua during the night, after I made it I went through your filter and made a case on you. I have in no way stopped on aqua, aqua even says during day 2 that I am tunneling him... Tunneling entails pushing for the lynch, not just criticizing his activities. Regardless, I suspect that you would be apathetic to a lynch between me or Aquanim, am I right?
Actually yes I dont mind which of you is lynched as I have strong scum reads on both of you.
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Ebwop
But you Firm is much stronger and my case on you is much stronger.
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Welp, that was pretty disastrous start for the game.
What I really don't like right now is seeing people having Stim as their top scum read. I could agree with a policy lynch on him, but having the lurkiest player as your top scum read seems suspiciously like taking the easy way out.
Alakaslam and hzflank: Why is Stim more scummy than everyone else at this time?
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On June 28 2013 01:15 Onegu wrote:
And youmsay you hoped they lie wouldnt be caught. You case on me is based only on my apathy and that isnt a scum tell, my case on you is legit.
Ebwop:
Sorry I am posting from a tab with no spell check and I am a terrible speller anyway whay it shoild say is
And you say you hoped your lie wouldnt be caught. Your case on me is based only on my apathy and that isnt a scum tell, while my case on you is legit.
Comeon town he never came forth with his lie hopeing it wouldnt be caught so he could lie again to get what he wants.
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SpicyDinosaur, I haven't seen any recent scum reads from you, who are you suspecting currently and why?
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