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LoneMeow, I haven't seen any recent scum reads from you, who are you suspecting currently and why?
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Okay, after reading a bit more I think I want to lynch Alakaslam.
He's very spammy and posts a lot of fluff (he posted the Venn diagram multiple times).
Doesn't give scum reads and when he does it's in a very non-committal way, "gut feels" and so.
And now he goes for Stim, the easy lurker choice, and this is how he wants to get Stim lynched:
On June 27 2013 14:51 Alakaslam wrote:But my actual original self made scumread that I'm not very proud of but that I'll stand by is StimaDDict. As the other policy lynch I would say vote him, but we don't have the manpower for policy lynches anymore! SO- Let's go, make cases, PROVE OUR TOWNIE INNOCENCE (I think we have neglected that some of us  ) and MOST importantly SCUMHUNT WITH PRECISION! I'll work on StimaDDict, I figure I have made a case I had better make it stronger.
On June 27 2013 15:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Here is how I will work on Stim.
StimaDDict. Have you given up or what? Has anything changed about your opinion on Aquanim?
That's the worse "case" on anyone I've seen, and this whole thing gives me the vibe that he's just massively non-committal. I get the same feel from his voting antics on day 1, first claiming he's not going to lynch Xzavier then voting for him anyway without much more of a comment than that he read Aquanim's case.
Generally, I read him as trying to look active but not actually participating much, and that I find very scummy.
##Vote: Alakaslam
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Also, I find FirmTofu's case on Onegu to have some good points, but generally I'm not comfortable with lynching Onegu who at least seems to be scum hunting over Alakaslam who seems scummy and isn't scum hunting.
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On June 28 2013 02:12 LoneMeow wrote:
SpicyDinosaur, I haven't seen any recent scum reads from you, who are you suspecting currently and why?
Really? You are probably the only person in the thread besides stim who hasn't seen tofu and i going at each other. As i said my my night post that you, stim, onegu, and alakaslam are who im looking at. I want to see more people posting today so i can narrow down a vote for tomorrow.
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On June 28 2013 02:50 LoneMeow wrote:Okay, after reading a bit more I think I want to lynch Alakaslam. He's very spammy and posts a lot of fluff (he posted the Venn diagram multiple times). Doesn't give scum reads and when he does it's in a very non-committal way, "gut feels" and so. And now he goes for Stim, the easy lurker choice, and this is how he wants to get Stim lynched: Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 14:51 Alakaslam wrote:But my actual original self made scumread that I'm not very proud of but that I'll stand by is StimaDDict. As the other policy lynch I would say vote him, but we don't have the manpower for policy lynches anymore! SO- Let's go, make cases, PROVE OUR TOWNIE INNOCENCE (I think we have neglected that some of us ) and MOST importantly SCUMHUNT WITH PRECISION! I'll work on StimaDDict, I figure I have made a case I had better make it stronger. Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 15:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Here is how I will work on Stim.
StimaDDict. Have you given up or what? Has anything changed about your opinion on Aquanim? That's the worse "case" on anyone I've seen, and this whole thing gives me the vibe that he's just massively non-committal. I get the same feel from his voting antics on day 1, first claiming he's not going to lynch Xzavier then voting for him anyway without much more of a comment than that he read Aquanim's case. Generally, I read him as trying to look active but not actually participating much, and that I find very scummy. ##Vote: Alakaslam
This fits with LoneMeow's profile. Lonemeow has demonstrated a bias against posters who are poor at communicating their ideas. (Gotard and Umasi in XLII, Xzavier and Alakaslam in this game.) That said, this track record isn't amazing (all confirmed town except Alakaslam, so far). I don't want to hold it against you, LoneMeow, but recognizing biases in your play is sometimes a helpful reality check. I would strongly recommend you attempt to look past the rambling (not because it's not important, but because you've already analysed it), and see if you can't derive motivation from the posts. Specifically for Alakaslam, I'd check out his martyr post mid-Day 1. (I won't quote it here, because he should have to defend himself.)
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On June 28 2013 03:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 02:12 LoneMeow wrote:
SpicyDinosaur, I haven't seen any recent scum reads from you, who are you suspecting currently and why? Really? You are probably the only person in the thread besides stim who hasn't seen tofu and i going at each other. As i said my my night post that you, stim, onegu, and alakaslam are who im looking at. I want to see more people posting today so i can narrow down a vote for tomorrow.
I would just like to say that I have moved you and Alakaslam onto my town list. I will expand on this during night. Right now, I want to focus on getting the lynch on Onegu through. I sincerely hope we can count on your vote.
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On June 28 2013 03:57 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 28 2013 02:12 LoneMeow wrote:
SpicyDinosaur, I haven't seen any recent scum reads from you, who are you suspecting currently and why? Really? You are probably the only person in the thread besides stim who hasn't seen tofu and i going at each other. As i said my my night post that you, stim, onegu, and alakaslam are who im looking at. I want to see more people posting today so i can narrow down a vote for tomorrow. I would just like to say that I have moved you and Alakaslam onto my town list. I will expand on this during night. Right now, I want to focus on getting the lynch on Onegu through. I sincerely hope we can count on your vote.
Please expand on this now as any information that will help narrow down targets is helpful.
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On June 28 2013 03:57 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 28 2013 02:12 LoneMeow wrote:
SpicyDinosaur, I haven't seen any recent scum reads from you, who are you suspecting currently and why? Really? You are probably the only person in the thread besides stim who hasn't seen tofu and i going at each other. As i said my my night post that you, stim, onegu, and alakaslam are who im looking at. I want to see more people posting today so i can narrow down a vote for tomorrow. I would just like to say that I have moved you and Alakaslam onto my town list. I will expand on this during night. Right now, I want to focus on getting the lynch on Onegu through. I sincerely hope we can count on your vote.
Lol very nice. Push your agenda.
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Some points on Onegu that I think deserve refreshing:
Extremely Anti-meta...
On June 24 2013 16:10 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 15:46 Alakaslam wrote:On June 24 2013 15:35 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 15:32 Alakaslam wrote:
I know I sai I'd go but this came up.
From the post for us newbs:
"Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread."
I have already messed up in this regard and I apologize. But note some folks have also talked about meta from previous newbie games and I don't think we are allowed to do that either. Will ask In green tomorrow when not trying to go to bed and when at computer. (iPhone)
We are ok since the games we are talking about have finished already. Sweet! Thanks again Onegu. I think I'll read those then- Tomorrow. Man this is worse than angry birds, I am thoroughly addicted. For now here is a list, so ALL of town can meta :D http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412757http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359Sorry that there is no meta on me, I'm that new. Note that some players may not only have played newbie games. Search their names! How late you want me up, midnight? I get up at 5 tomorrow! Also, check that you don't get into the above error first. Ok guys meta on peoples play you shold have played with that person at least 5 times, as this is impossible please stop trying to meta peoples play. It is ok to infer somethings on game setup, but people are still learning thier playstyle in a newbie game so you cannot base a scum read on meta play in noob games...
On June 25 2013 01:05 Onegu wrote:
It is bad to connect meta on noobs because depending on what worked one game and what didnt work they will change how they play, meta is forming patterns based on peoples play, you cannot form a pattern on what someone did after only 2 -3 games. And I was refering to your asking about ongoing games when I said we are fine because we are citing games already finished, it had nothing to do with who you are citing but what you are asking about. I want you to form cases based on peoples posts and ask questions not go find old games and base you thoughts on what a coach did in one of his old games.
On June 25 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote:
Him saying the bolded part really bothers me, it is a failsafe for him to later say his gut lead him to make votes without having to make cases behind it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case.
The other big thing about him is he kept the NN thing going way to long almost half his posts deal with the NN, when it is a bad idea, what if the NN claims day one but scum counterclaims day 4 we still dont know who is who it only give scum an advantage and for him to harp on it over and over is scummy to me.
STILL this? 1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative 2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen, why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way. Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me. On June 25 2013 13:13 Xzavier wrote:
OMGUS more Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope. As I have said meta is useless in a noobie game as people are still figureing out thier playstyle and as I was about to sleep 12 hours ago and I just woke up I dont see how the timeing is wierd...
... then uses Meta to defend StiM.
On June 26 2013 02:21 Onegu wrote:
And stim played this exact way last noob game and was VT, I see him as VT this game and his lynch acomplishes nothing.
Picks on the most scatter-brained townie (umasi / alakaslam) in both XLII and XLIII games. Even links the two...
On June 25 2013 02:47 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
I figured it out Alakaslam is Umasi's cocaine dealer!!!
...and later admits that he views Alakaslam as the most inexperienced mafia player in the game
On June 26 2013 15:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 14:28 FirmTofu wrote:
So Alakaslam, if you want to clear yourself in my eyes, you are going to have to vote Onegu. That is the only way I can know for sure that you guys aren't on the same team.
If he flips town(which is extremely unlikely), you are cleared of all blame.
If he flips scum, you will be scrutinized, but I will take some time to reconsider because you did vote for him.
Voting for Onegu is a win-win situation for you if you are town. The only reason you wouldn't vote him would be if you are scum.
The ball is in your court. You feel you need to bully the most inexperianced mafia player to vote for me? You have no case except a bogus scum tell so you have to bully someone to vote with you?
Tries to set up a Day 2 lynch for Aqua on Day 1 when he switches his vote from Aqua to Alakaslam
On June 25 2013 18:08 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 17:35 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 17:27 hzflank wrote:Xzavier, Onegu and I all seem to have similar opinions on scum voting, yet we all seem to have greatly differing personalities. This leads me to believe that Xzavier and Onegu are town, as I think they arrived at their opinions by looking at the situation from a town point of view. The only slight worry I have on Xzavier is: On June 25 2013 14:33 Xzavier wrote:
Whats the massive scum yell. cuz im not gonna lie. i skimmed threw all the noisy neighbor spam just to see who was asking for them to claim. no other part of it means anything to me xD But that could just be a character trait or a lack of time. On the whole I am uncomfortable with the votes on Xzavier. Is there anything about Xzavier and Onegu's play which makes you think they're town besides where their vote is? Personally, I can't see anything about their play which makes me think they're looking at this game with a town mentality and actually searching for scum, rather than just jumping on the only other wagon going. I think they are likely scum but I have a much townier read on you because I can see you're thinking about the game and critically evaluating your reads. Their arguments, on the other hand, are mostly "herp derp he disagreed with us about nosy neighbours" and "look at this single post and how it agrees with something someone else said, that's so scummy!". I don't think either of them could sincerely believe I'm scum based on the arguments they've presented. You said you had some questions for me, will they be forthcoming soon? Ok fine I will admit my case on you with my own findings isnt that strong. And looking at Alakaslam again he is my stronger case. ##: UNVOTE
##: VOTE ALAKASLAMBut if we lynch Xzavier and he flips town we will be lynching you day 2.
Post-flip announces that he will be leading the Aqua bandwagon. Then proceeds to vote for FirmTofu:
On June 26 2013 12:44 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, we got the bad end of the deal with that flip, but we can still make the best of it.
Scenario 1: Scum initiated or hopped on the lynch on Xzavier early on in the game. This would mean that LoneMeow/Chromatically/Aquanim are all potential scum.
How likely is this scenario?
Earlier on in the game, we had Chromatically and Aquanim go at it with a full-on slug fest. Although hzflank had a theory that both could be scum, it remains to be seen that that is the case. HOWEVER, this is still a possibility because mafia have their QT chat available during the day and coordinate in that way.
Of the three, I would think that LoneMeow is the most likely to be scum because all he did was initiate the bandwagon that led to the demise of town and contributed little of substance.
Scenario 2: Scum did not initiate or hop on the lynch on Xzavier.
Q. How would these scum react when they see a bandwagon forming on a townie?
A. They would probably try to dissociate themselves from the bandwagon unless it was unlikely that the lynch would go through. Because the lynch was likely to go through, they would behave in the aforementioned way.
Okay great! Let's make a list of the players they weren't associated with the bandwagon for the majority of the game.
Note: I am including people that jumped on the bandwagon when it was inevitable.
1) hzflank
2) Onegu
3) Spicydinosaur
4) StiMaDDict
5) Alakaslam
6) Hurricane Sponge
Of these people, hzflank and Hurricane Sponge are playing extremely pro-town by constantly talking about the game. This should not eliminate them from the running; however, we can temporarily narrow down the list.
1) Onegu
2) Spicydinosaur
3) StiMaDDict
4) Alakaslam
Onegu:
Onegu votes for Aqua, then a few posts later votes for Alakaslam. Most importantly, he declares his apathy toward the lynch of Aquanim vs Xzavier!
The Case Against Onegu: Onegu is scum and Aquanim and Xzavier are both town. Therefore, Onegu is apathetic towards the lynch. He knows both will flip town, so he immediately dissociates himself with that lynch and votes Alakaslam who will not get lynched that day.
I will go into further detail about my other reads, but first, I would like to get some opinions about my analysis.
Wow like I told you guys before I slept if xzavier is lynched it will give us a ton of information, and yes now I will be leading the aquanim bandwagon as I felt he was scum and his vote and case on him before makes me feel he is the scummiest. Also makeing the claim I dont care brings way to much heat on me if I am scum when I can just put my vote back on aqua saying I should be on a bandwagon.
On June 28 2013 01:27 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
But for now you are more scummy and my vote is on you
##VOTE: FirmTofu
Defense for day 1 voting apathy is WIFOM...
On June 26 2013 12:44 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, we got the bad end of the deal with that flip, but we can still make the best of it.
Scenario 1: Scum initiated or hopped on the lynch on Xzavier early on in the game. This would mean that LoneMeow/Chromatically/Aquanim are all potential scum.
How likely is this scenario?
Earlier on in the game, we had Chromatically and Aquanim go at it with a full-on slug fest. Although hzflank had a theory that both could be scum, it remains to be seen that that is the case. HOWEVER, this is still a possibility because mafia have their QT chat available during the day and coordinate in that way.
Of the three, I would think that LoneMeow is the most likely to be scum because all he did was initiate the bandwagon that led to the demise of town and contributed little of substance.
Scenario 2: Scum did not initiate or hop on the lynch on Xzavier.
Q. How would these scum react when they see a bandwagon forming on a townie?
A. They would probably try to dissociate themselves from the bandwagon unless it was unlikely that the lynch would go through. Because the lynch was likely to go through, they would behave in the aforementioned way.
Okay great! Let's make a list of the players they weren't associated with the bandwagon for the majority of the game.
Note: I am including people that jumped on the bandwagon when it was inevitable.
1) hzflank
2) Onegu
3) Spicydinosaur
4) StiMaDDict
5) Alakaslam
6) Hurricane Sponge
Of these people, hzflank and Hurricane Sponge are playing extremely pro-town by constantly talking about the game. This should not eliminate them from the running; however, we can temporarily narrow down the list.
1) Onegu
2) Spicydinosaur
3) StiMaDDict
4) Alakaslam
Onegu:
Onegu votes for Aqua, then a few posts later votes for Alakaslam. Most importantly, he declares his apathy toward the lynch of Aquanim vs Xzavier!
The Case Against Onegu: Onegu is scum and Aquanim and Xzavier are both town. Therefore, Onegu is apathetic towards the lynch. He knows both will flip town, so he immediately dissociates himself with that lynch and votes Alakaslam who will not get lynched that day.
I will go into further detail about my other reads, but first, I would like to get some opinions about my analysis.
Wow like I told you guys before I slept if xzavier is lynched it will give us a ton of information, and yes now I will be leading the aquanim bandwagon as I felt he was scum and his vote and case on him before makes me feel he is the scummiest. Also makeing the claim I dont care brings way to much heat on me if I am scum when I can just put my vote back on aqua saying I should be on a bandwagon.
...when he's already proven he's willing to do this as mafia in XLII.
Has a history as mafia of doing the 'vote for who i think i scummiest even though they have no chance of being lynched today' play (He was the only one who voted on Umasi on Day 1 in XLII, much like he was the only one to vote on Alakslam in Day One here)
On June 08 2013 08:46 ObviousOne wrote:
Vote SlaveCount
LoneMeow (1): Umasi, StiMaDDict
Skanjab1s (0): iVLosK!, Gotard
iVLosK! (0): Xzavier, Umasi
Spicydinosaur (0): Skanjab1s
Firere345 (5): Spicydinosaur, Skanjab1s, fferyllt, Gotard, iVLosK!, Skanjab1s, Xzavier
Gotard (4): Skanjab1s, Xzavier, iVLosK!, Umasi, Firere345, LoneMeow, Xzavier
StimmAddict (0): iVLosK!
Umasi (1): Onegu
Not Voting: tE_, Yavanna
Firere345 is currently set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory. This is a plurality lynch.
The deadline is at [unparsable timestamp format], in [unparsable timestamp format]
If there's a mistake, let me know!
On June 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Day 1 Final Vote Count
Chromatically (0): Aquanim, hzflank
fyfy (0): FirmTofu
hzflank (0): Chromatically
FirmTofu (0): Alakaslam
Spicydinosaur (0): FirmTofu
Xzavier (7): LoneMeow, Chromatically, Aquanim, FirmTofu, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, Alakaslam
Aquanim (2): hzflank, Xzavier, Onegu, Alakaslam, StiMaDDict
Alakaslam (1): Onegu
Hurricane Sponge (1): Spicydinosaur
StiMaDDict (0): Hurricane Sponge, hzflank
Not Voting:
Xzavier the High School Student -- Vanilla Town has been stomped to death. His last words were, "Save the town power rangers. Combine the zords to make the megaultradragonzord and do karate type stuff with it. Let my death be a beacon of hope to all the AAAAAAaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhahgggaaghghhhhghhahghgagagghaghhaghg."
fyfy the High School Student -- Vanilla Town didn't look both ways when crossing the street and got crushed by the megaultradragonzord as it stopped at starbucks to get a cup of coffee. Power Rangers always need coffee to be able to do their stunts.
Night 1 actions must be sent in by [unparsable timestamp format]
Night 1 ends in [unparsable timestamp format]
Likes to announce that specific townies are 'noob town' in both games.
On June 25 2013 02:46 Onegu wrote:
Umm not sure where you are going with this... I dont understand half your posts, but if you give me reasons you think I am scum I will be happy to defend myself and adress you points.
About Hz he doesnt post alot of fluff unless you want to count the NN posts, I also just filtered him when you asked and saw him make scum reads. Some of it maybe sheeping but I dont think scum would do that to much, at least he is creating scum reads with some thought behind them. I see newbie town who isnt confident in his reads.
On June 24 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Ugh, let's avoid the 'should we lynch lurkers talk' shall we?
I'm gonna go ahead and post the play I had written earlier this week analyzing this game from a pro-town perspective. If any of my analysis is off-base, please jump in and steer me back on track.
Pre-written segment starts now:
Alright, chums. First let me state that in NO WAY is the following message a call for a mass claim. If you are the Parity Cop (assuming you even exist), DO NOT SAY SO. In fact, if you're our town's parity cop, it's probably better if you appear to ignore what I'm about to say completely. Same goes for Trackers and Watchers. DO NOT CLAIM. But read carefully, because you are a big part of whether we succeed or fail (whether we follow my plan or not).
Now everyone, pay attention: Looking over the roles, the extremely juicy pro-town potential jumped right off the page at me, as I hope it did to many of you. Trackers can tell us if a person visits someone. Pretty good, but not nearly as good as the Watcher, who can pick a person and sees all who visit them. Obviously, this means we can try to guess the guy who's going to be mafia-killed, and we have a couple shots at seeing if he either gets visited, or manage to Track the mafia member who happens to be tagged to do the deed. Not great odds on either, but still better than nothing.
My plan utilizes each role to their maximum potential. Because we are not guaranteed to have a Tracker, Watcher, or even a Parity Cop, it's important that for the roles we DO get, we use them efficiently. The Watcher needs to guess the target they think will be mafia-killed tonight. This is up to your judgement, but I'll make a recommendation later today.
The fun part comes with the Tracker and the Nosy Neighbor (and by extension Parity Cop). The Tracker should secretly track the Nosy Neighbor. AGAIN, MR. OR MRS. TRACKER: DO NOT CLAIM NOW. If we have a Nosy Neighbor, they should claim IMMEDIATELY. Once the Tracker can confirm that the Nosy Neighbor is in fact moving around at night, but not visiting the person who got Mafia-killed, WE CAN ESTABLISH HIM AS TOWN. This is a big deal. The Parity Cop can then tag the confirmed Nosy Neighbor as Town and start measuring up suspects against them. If he gets a 'Different' claim, the other person is Scum. If he gets 'Same', they are town.
I can elaborate further, but I feel like you can all piece together whatever holes are out there without me holding your hand even further. This is an extremely pro-town set-up (assuming there aren't a bunch of red herrings in which case, Hi I'm sponge, and I just gave you all the book on me.) and I'd like to move fast before mafia can organize their thoughts in their private little forum. If we move fast, and force independent action, they lose one of their many advantages. Haveing a early day one post about reveals is very bad, no matter how good or bad someones role is. You have to remember scum have a tracker also so if they track the NN to someone they get a stronger read he is blue than just NN, if it is revealed then scum tracker doesnt have to worry about that possibility and just blue hunt. Second it isnt a big deal to confirm someone as town, it is a big deal to confirm someone as scum. You idea has alot of holes and the logic behind it is terribad. As such you are noob town to me.
Has made actual cases this game; did not as mafia in XLII
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On June 28 2013 05:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Some points on Onegu that I think deserve refreshing: Extremely Anti-meta... Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 16:10 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 15:46 Alakaslam wrote:On June 24 2013 15:35 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 15:32 Alakaslam wrote:
I know I sai I'd go but this came up.
From the post for us newbs:
"Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread."
I have already messed up in this regard and I apologize. But note some folks have also talked about meta from previous newbie games and I don't think we are allowed to do that either. Will ask In green tomorrow when not trying to go to bed and when at computer. (iPhone)
We are ok since the games we are talking about have finished already. Sweet! Thanks again Onegu. I think I'll read those then- Tomorrow. Man this is worse than angry birds, I am thoroughly addicted. For now here is a list, so ALL of town can meta :D http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412757http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359Sorry that there is no meta on me, I'm that new. Note that some players may not only have played newbie games. Search their names! How late you want me up, midnight? I get up at 5 tomorrow! Also, check that you don't get into the above error first. Ok guys meta on peoples play you shold have played with that person at least 5 times, as this is impossible please stop trying to meta peoples play. It is ok to infer somethings on game setup, but people are still learning thier playstyle in a newbie game so you cannot base a scum read on meta play in noob games... Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:05 Onegu wrote:
It is bad to connect meta on noobs because depending on what worked one game and what didnt work they will change how they play, meta is forming patterns based on peoples play, you cannot form a pattern on what someone did after only 2 -3 games. And I was refering to your asking about ongoing games when I said we are fine because we are citing games already finished, it had nothing to do with who you are citing but what you are asking about. I want you to form cases based on peoples posts and ask questions not go find old games and base you thoughts on what a coach did in one of his old games. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:On June 25 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote:
Him saying the bolded part really bothers me, it is a failsafe for him to later say his gut lead him to make votes without having to make cases behind it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case.
The other big thing about him is he kept the NN thing going way to long almost half his posts deal with the NN, when it is a bad idea, what if the NN claims day one but scum counterclaims day 4 we still dont know who is who it only give scum an advantage and for him to harp on it over and over is scummy to me.
STILL this? 1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative 2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen, why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way. Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me. On June 25 2013 13:13 Xzavier wrote:
OMGUS more Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope. As I have said meta is useless in a noobie game as people are still figureing out thier playstyle and as I was about to sleep 12 hours ago and I just woke up I dont see how the timeing is wierd... ... then uses Meta to defend StiM. Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:21 Onegu wrote:
And stim played this exact way last noob game and was VT, I see him as VT this game and his lynch acomplishes nothing. Picks on the most scatter-brained townie (umasi / alakaslam) in both XLII and XLIII games. Even links the two... Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:47 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
I figured it out Alakaslam is Umasi's cocaine dealer!!! ...and later admits that he views Alakaslam as the most inexperienced mafia player in the game Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 15:45 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 14:28 FirmTofu wrote:
So Alakaslam, if you want to clear yourself in my eyes, you are going to have to vote Onegu. That is the only way I can know for sure that you guys aren't on the same team.
If he flips town(which is extremely unlikely), you are cleared of all blame.
If he flips scum, you will be scrutinized, but I will take some time to reconsider because you did vote for him.
Voting for Onegu is a win-win situation for you if you are town. The only reason you wouldn't vote him would be if you are scum.
The ball is in your court. You feel you need to bully the most inexperianced mafia player to vote for me? You have no case except a bogus scum tell so you have to bully someone to vote with you? Tries to set up a Day 2 lynch for Aqua on Day 1 when he switches his vote from Aqua to Alakaslam Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 18:08 Onegu wrote:On June 25 2013 17:35 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 17:27 hzflank wrote:Xzavier, Onegu and I all seem to have similar opinions on scum voting, yet we all seem to have greatly differing personalities. This leads me to believe that Xzavier and Onegu are town, as I think they arrived at their opinions by looking at the situation from a town point of view. The only slight worry I have on Xzavier is: On June 25 2013 14:33 Xzavier wrote:
Whats the massive scum yell. cuz im not gonna lie. i skimmed threw all the noisy neighbor spam just to see who was asking for them to claim. no other part of it means anything to me xD But that could just be a character trait or a lack of time. On the whole I am uncomfortable with the votes on Xzavier. Is there anything about Xzavier and Onegu's play which makes you think they're town besides where their vote is? Personally, I can't see anything about their play which makes me think they're looking at this game with a town mentality and actually searching for scum, rather than just jumping on the only other wagon going. I think they are likely scum but I have a much townier read on you because I can see you're thinking about the game and critically evaluating your reads. Their arguments, on the other hand, are mostly "herp derp he disagreed with us about nosy neighbours" and "look at this single post and how it agrees with something someone else said, that's so scummy!". I don't think either of them could sincerely believe I'm scum based on the arguments they've presented. You said you had some questions for me, will they be forthcoming soon? Ok fine I will admit my case on you with my own findings isnt that strong. And looking at Alakaslam again he is my stronger case. ##: UNVOTE
##: VOTE ALAKASLAMBut if we lynch Xzavier and he flips town we will be lynching you day 2. Post-flip announces that he will be leading the Aqua bandwagon. Then proceeds to vote for FirmTofu: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:44 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, we got the bad end of the deal with that flip, but we can still make the best of it.
Scenario 1: Scum initiated or hopped on the lynch on Xzavier early on in the game. This would mean that LoneMeow/Chromatically/Aquanim are all potential scum.
How likely is this scenario?
Earlier on in the game, we had Chromatically and Aquanim go at it with a full-on slug fest. Although hzflank had a theory that both could be scum, it remains to be seen that that is the case. HOWEVER, this is still a possibility because mafia have their QT chat available during the day and coordinate in that way.
Of the three, I would think that LoneMeow is the most likely to be scum because all he did was initiate the bandwagon that led to the demise of town and contributed little of substance.
Scenario 2: Scum did not initiate or hop on the lynch on Xzavier.
Q. How would these scum react when they see a bandwagon forming on a townie?
A. They would probably try to dissociate themselves from the bandwagon unless it was unlikely that the lynch would go through. Because the lynch was likely to go through, they would behave in the aforementioned way.
Okay great! Let's make a list of the players they weren't associated with the bandwagon for the majority of the game.
Note: I am including people that jumped on the bandwagon when it was inevitable.
1) hzflank
2) Onegu
3) Spicydinosaur
4) StiMaDDict
5) Alakaslam
6) Hurricane Sponge
Of these people, hzflank and Hurricane Sponge are playing extremely pro-town by constantly talking about the game. This should not eliminate them from the running; however, we can temporarily narrow down the list.
1) Onegu
2) Spicydinosaur
3) StiMaDDict
4) Alakaslam
Onegu:
Onegu votes for Aqua, then a few posts later votes for Alakaslam. Most importantly, he declares his apathy toward the lynch of Aquanim vs Xzavier!
The Case Against Onegu: Onegu is scum and Aquanim and Xzavier are both town. Therefore, Onegu is apathetic towards the lynch. He knows both will flip town, so he immediately dissociates himself with that lynch and votes Alakaslam who will not get lynched that day.
I will go into further detail about my other reads, but first, I would like to get some opinions about my analysis.
Wow like I told you guys before I slept if xzavier is lynched it will give us a ton of information, and yes now I will be leading the aquanim bandwagon as I felt he was scum and his vote and case on him before makes me feel he is the scummiest. Also makeing the claim I dont care brings way to much heat on me if I am scum when I can just put my vote back on aqua saying I should be on a bandwagon. Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:27 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
But for now you are more scummy and my vote is on you
##VOTE: FirmTofu Defense for day 1 voting apathy is WIFOM... Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:44 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, we got the bad end of the deal with that flip, but we can still make the best of it.
Scenario 1: Scum initiated or hopped on the lynch on Xzavier early on in the game. This would mean that LoneMeow/Chromatically/Aquanim are all potential scum.
How likely is this scenario?
Earlier on in the game, we had Chromatically and Aquanim go at it with a full-on slug fest. Although hzflank had a theory that both could be scum, it remains to be seen that that is the case. HOWEVER, this is still a possibility because mafia have their QT chat available during the day and coordinate in that way.
Of the three, I would think that LoneMeow is the most likely to be scum because all he did was initiate the bandwagon that led to the demise of town and contributed little of substance.
Scenario 2: Scum did not initiate or hop on the lynch on Xzavier.
Q. How would these scum react when they see a bandwagon forming on a townie?
A. They would probably try to dissociate themselves from the bandwagon unless it was unlikely that the lynch would go through. Because the lynch was likely to go through, they would behave in the aforementioned way.
Okay great! Let's make a list of the players they weren't associated with the bandwagon for the majority of the game.
Note: I am including people that jumped on the bandwagon when it was inevitable.
1) hzflank
2) Onegu
3) Spicydinosaur
4) StiMaDDict
5) Alakaslam
6) Hurricane Sponge
Of these people, hzflank and Hurricane Sponge are playing extremely pro-town by constantly talking about the game. This should not eliminate them from the running; however, we can temporarily narrow down the list.
1) Onegu
2) Spicydinosaur
3) StiMaDDict
4) Alakaslam
Onegu:
Onegu votes for Aqua, then a few posts later votes for Alakaslam. Most importantly, he declares his apathy toward the lynch of Aquanim vs Xzavier!
The Case Against Onegu: Onegu is scum and Aquanim and Xzavier are both town. Therefore, Onegu is apathetic towards the lynch. He knows both will flip town, so he immediately dissociates himself with that lynch and votes Alakaslam who will not get lynched that day.
I will go into further detail about my other reads, but first, I would like to get some opinions about my analysis.
Wow like I told you guys before I slept if xzavier is lynched it will give us a ton of information, and yes now I will be leading the aquanim bandwagon as I felt he was scum and his vote and case on him before makes me feel he is the scummiest. Also makeing the claim I dont care brings way to much heat on me if I am scum when I can just put my vote back on aqua saying I should be on a bandwagon. ...when he's already proven he's willing to do this as mafia in XLII. Has a history as mafia of doing the 'vote for who i think i scummiest even though they have no chance of being lynched today' play (He was the only one who voted on Umasi on Day 1 in XLII, much like he was the only one to vote on Alakslam in Day One here) Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 08:46 ObviousOne wrote:
Vote SlaveCount
LoneMeow (1): Umasi, StiMaDDict
Skanjab1s (0): iVLosK!, Gotard
iVLosK! (0): Xzavier, Umasi
Spicydinosaur (0): Skanjab1s
Firere345 (5): Spicydinosaur, Skanjab1s, fferyllt, Gotard, iVLosK!, Skanjab1s, Xzavier
Gotard (4): Skanjab1s, Xzavier, iVLosK!, Umasi, Firere345, LoneMeow, Xzavier
StimmAddict (0): iVLosK!
Umasi (1): Onegu
Not Voting: tE_, Yavanna
Firere345 is currently set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory. This is a plurality lynch.
The deadline is at [unparsable timestamp format], in [unparsable timestamp format]
If there's a mistake, let me know! Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Day 1 Final Vote Count
Chromatically (0): Aquanim, hzflank
fyfy (0): FirmTofu
hzflank (0): Chromatically
FirmTofu (0): Alakaslam
Spicydinosaur (0): FirmTofu
Xzavier (7): LoneMeow, Chromatically, Aquanim, FirmTofu, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, Alakaslam
Aquanim (2): hzflank, Xzavier, Onegu, Alakaslam, StiMaDDict
Alakaslam (1): Onegu
Hurricane Sponge (1): Spicydinosaur
StiMaDDict (0): Hurricane Sponge, hzflank
Not Voting:
Xzavier the High School Student -- Vanilla Town has been stomped to death. His last words were, "Save the town power rangers. Combine the zords to make the megaultradragonzord and do karate type stuff with it. Let my death be a beacon of hope to all the AAAAAAaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhahgggaaghghhhhghhahghgagagghaghhaghg."
fyfy the High School Student -- Vanilla Town didn't look both ways when crossing the street and got crushed by the megaultradragonzord as it stopped at starbucks to get a cup of coffee. Power Rangers always need coffee to be able to do their stunts.
Night 1 actions must be sent in by [unparsable timestamp format]
Night 1 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] Likes to announce that specific townies are 'noob town' in both games. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:46 Onegu wrote:
Umm not sure where you are going with this... I dont understand half your posts, but if you give me reasons you think I am scum I will be happy to defend myself and adress you points.
About Hz he doesnt post alot of fluff unless you want to count the NN posts, I also just filtered him when you asked and saw him make scum reads. Some of it maybe sheeping but I dont think scum would do that to much, at least he is creating scum reads with some thought behind them. I see newbie town who isnt confident in his reads. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote:On June 24 2013 11:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Ugh, let's avoid the 'should we lynch lurkers talk' shall we?
I'm gonna go ahead and post the play I had written earlier this week analyzing this game from a pro-town perspective. If any of my analysis is off-base, please jump in and steer me back on track.
Pre-written segment starts now:
Alright, chums. First let me state that in NO WAY is the following message a call for a mass claim. If you are the Parity Cop (assuming you even exist), DO NOT SAY SO. In fact, if you're our town's parity cop, it's probably better if you appear to ignore what I'm about to say completely. Same goes for Trackers and Watchers. DO NOT CLAIM. But read carefully, because you are a big part of whether we succeed or fail (whether we follow my plan or not).
Now everyone, pay attention: Looking over the roles, the extremely juicy pro-town potential jumped right off the page at me, as I hope it did to many of you. Trackers can tell us if a person visits someone. Pretty good, but not nearly as good as the Watcher, who can pick a person and sees all who visit them. Obviously, this means we can try to guess the guy who's going to be mafia-killed, and we have a couple shots at seeing if he either gets visited, or manage to Track the mafia member who happens to be tagged to do the deed. Not great odds on either, but still better than nothing.
My plan utilizes each role to their maximum potential. Because we are not guaranteed to have a Tracker, Watcher, or even a Parity Cop, it's important that for the roles we DO get, we use them efficiently. The Watcher needs to guess the target they think will be mafia-killed tonight. This is up to your judgement, but I'll make a recommendation later today.
The fun part comes with the Tracker and the Nosy Neighbor (and by extension Parity Cop). The Tracker should secretly track the Nosy Neighbor. AGAIN, MR. OR MRS. TRACKER: DO NOT CLAIM NOW. If we have a Nosy Neighbor, they should claim IMMEDIATELY. Once the Tracker can confirm that the Nosy Neighbor is in fact moving around at night, but not visiting the person who got Mafia-killed, WE CAN ESTABLISH HIM AS TOWN. This is a big deal. The Parity Cop can then tag the confirmed Nosy Neighbor as Town and start measuring up suspects against them. If he gets a 'Different' claim, the other person is Scum. If he gets 'Same', they are town.
I can elaborate further, but I feel like you can all piece together whatever holes are out there without me holding your hand even further. This is an extremely pro-town set-up (assuming there aren't a bunch of red herrings in which case, Hi I'm sponge, and I just gave you all the book on me.) and I'd like to move fast before mafia can organize their thoughts in their private little forum. If we move fast, and force independent action, they lose one of their many advantages. Haveing a early day one post about reveals is very bad, no matter how good or bad someones role is. You have to remember scum have a tracker also so if they track the NN to someone they get a stronger read he is blue than just NN, if it is revealed then scum tracker doesnt have to worry about that possibility and just blue hunt. Second it isnt a big deal to confirm someone as town, it is a big deal to confirm someone as scum. You idea has alot of holes and the logic behind it is terribad. As such you are noob town to me. Has made actual cases this game; did not as mafia in XLII
The whole stim thing is because we have no posts to work off of if I could make a case with his posts I would, but you cannot as he hasnt posted.
I tunneled umasi the entire game last time as mafia I didnt try anything else just him. O didnt scum hunt I didnt try to make the town a better atmoshphere like I am this game.
And as I have said further I am happy to lead a lynch on aqua, my first case after day one was on aqua. If we didnt have a admitted liar manipulateing votes I would be on Aqua.
My apathy isnt a scum tell.
And this game I voted for who I felt was my best case.
So what they are noob towm this is also not a scum tell
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Anyway I will be sleeping now goodnight.
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I want to post something before I sleep. I am the Pink Ranger and I watched Alakaslam last night and he was visited by my biggest town read last night. I wont say who that is because I dont want them to be a target.
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BIG PLAYS
Alakaslam, please respond. Everyone else, analyze VERY CAREFULLY before you post.
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EBWOP: Unless, of course, someone else is the actual Watcher. Then we need a counter-claim immediately.
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This is the appropriate action at this time:
##unvote Onegu
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It's also important not to try to deduce out loud WHY Onegu chose Alakaslam as his target at this time. It's important to figure out some reasons on your own, but we need to hear it from him. (Otherwise, if someone posts a flawless 'Out' for him, he could just lie and say 'Yeah, it was because of that')
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On June 28 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote:
I want to post something before I sleep. I am the Pink Ranger and I watched Alakaslam last night and he was visited by my biggest town read last night. I wont say who that is because I dont want them to be a target.
Seriously?! I'm really not liking the delayed information today.
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EBWOP: but i understand why it is delayed, if true.
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It's pretty consistent with his other bed-times, looking back at the other game and this one.
At least he got the info to us now, but I agree... it's not ideal to drop something this big in the room and then leave for 8 hours.
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On June 28 2013 08:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
It's pretty consistent with his other bed-times, looking back at the other game and this one.
At least he got the info to us now, but I agree... it's not ideal to drop something this big in the room and then leave for 8 hours.
Yeah so it looks like we are in a hold pattern on him until someone counter claims or he comes back.
Stim hasnt spoken since the lynch. Assuming he comes in before the vote and drops a case again, what would you think about that? would it mostly depend on the case?
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