Catch 22 Mafia - Page 88

On June 25 2013 11:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Even if you do this in your town games, why did you feel the need to vote me after I called you on it?

On June 25 2013 10:38 Hapahauli wrote:
blaaaargh and then adam brings up a good point

The one thing that's been on the back of my mind this game about Oats, is that he's definetely throwing around his suspicions a lot and acting "paranoid", but he's pushing his suspicions in such a different way than town games I've seen him do in the past.

For example, when he thought I was scum in his last town game (I Swear), he went against all thread sentiment and was hurling suspicion at me, screaming that I was scum and that he wanted me to get lynched. Similarly in Red Team's Prize, he did the same to a town-leader Palmar. Hurled shit at him against all town sentiment and was completely uncompromising about it.

This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.

On June 25 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because closed setup.

Gk martyred. I rather kill adam cause I think he has a higher chance of being scum. He scumclaimed MORE.

So do you have exact questions?

On June 25 2013 09:53 goodkarma wrote:
Kinda a pain, as that means between Hapa, Oats, Adam, Shao, you need to determine one you absolutely believe to be townie in determining the last scum. Sadly, I would say Adam is someone I like more than the other three right now.

Picked Yamato because he thinks similarly to me as town, and I saw that type of mentality here. Voting on the DP wagon also put him on the list of "very likely town," so made him the best candidate in my mind. Obvious I also considered, given the mislynch push on him by flipped scum put him at near confirmed town. Ange actually didn't come to mind at the time. She had "internet troubles" for a good deal of the day, and my biggest concern as JK was to find a likely town I felt would 1) likely be able to carrry town to victory, and 2) would be a likely candidate to get shot by scum. Yamato fit best in my mind. And any arguements like "Ange was obvious JK choice," are making pants-on-head retarded arguements. It's super-easy to say shit like that in retrospect post-flip.

Be sure to not have some built-in bias and reassess the game anew after my flip. Like that really is a big piece of this is build in bias. Sure I haven't done oodles of stuff in finding scum, but quite frankly, several people are just as guilty of me in this category. So what it comes down to is you don't like my writing style, or don't like that I'm not perma-inthread, or don't like I don't ask a shitload of pointless questions, or so on... What questions I've asked I've clarified, and what cases I've made I've clarified. I really don't care to retread anything I've done to date.

Those leading this wagon (Shao and Hapa), to the extent of my knowledge, have both EXCLUSIVELY played with me when I've been scum, so I imagine they have bias there as well. They keep trying to match up what I've done as scum, and have not tried worth fucking shit to see if I would be capable of doing that as town. In other words, they're making piss-poor meta arguements. Sure you could say this guy has "objectively scummy" play or whatever, but honestly, some of the case points I've seen recently are absolute crap. Like "your posts are long": THAT's HOW I FUCKING WRITE. "Your roleclaim is convenient": This is a point made with the complete bias of looking in retrospect at how people flipped. "Maybe you should change your day one playstyle": I could go into great depth as to how that wouldn't change anything (I've tried numerous different things actually), and how this is more about how I write and process information than anything.

On June 25 2013 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:


Can you link me that post by DP btw?

But also, I can't really see scum-GK being this... emotionally manipulative, you know?

On June 25 2013 12:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
I looked through LVII, didnt see a quit post.

On June 25 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
lynch Adam hapa.
Lynnnch.

On June 25 2013 12:44 Adam4167 wrote:


Go ahead. You'll be exposed for what you are after I die.

On June 21 2013 14:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
why is yamato so pro at looking scummy as shit regardless of what alignment he is? anyone tell me? Or am I remembering wrong?

On June 22 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

My problem is that you are voting for GK based on meta, because he once made a bad case against someone as scum. Guess what? Townies make bad cases too, especially early on in the game. I am not saying i think GK is town, but you seem to be so sure he is scum because of this meta you are describing, especially when you are under attack from some people now.

If you are going to make a meta case at least get your facts straight. Look at Les Mafia, look at GK's case on me and tell me that the case GK made can only come from a scum!GK.

On June 24 2013 14:31 ShiaoPi wrote:
Ok I am caught up now. But mostly just skimmed the thread.Will be doing some rereading/filterdiving next. let me just post this on GK right now, since it looks like most of you want to lynch either him or me.

On Goodkarma:
I am really really torn on him right now. On Day 1 I was pretty sure that he was scum. Currently not so much anymore, there are still posts, which make me go, well that's scumGK, but there is also stuff that makes me want to think him town.
First off on the sucm tally we got his entire scumhunting effort. I don't remember playing a game with him where he was town, but I kept hearing from several people in I swear and here that he needs time to get started but is then a good townplayer in his own right. I just do not see it here. His cases have been pretty fucking trash. But posts like these:

Also exist. They are pretty townie (even if wrong on me) on the mentality side of the game. Because largely based on elimination I also ended up with only him left, if we just go with face value of how things went down so far. Ergo if we do not assume some crazy plays with bussing on d1 for no reason etc.

Having said this I am perfectly fine to trade with GK, so just lynch me first to get my town flip and then go kill him.
Just wanted to post this before I go rereading