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On June 24 2013 09:20 Coagulation wrote:
if the rb is scum than they are clearly not very good/experienced at mafia considering I claimed vigi about 20 times day1/night1 and then caught Rayn and stated I was 100% sure hes confirmed scum because of his scum slip halfway into night1.
why they would roleblock anyone but me is beyond astonishing.
On June 24 2013 09:25 Adam4167 wrote:
They were probably hoping you'd shoot marv.
Plus Cora claimed blue also.
On July 02 2013 09:25 ObviousOne wrote:
Sigh...
@sloosh, I'll talk you through my thoughts after I get home tonight, but I'm feeling pretty lost right now. Adam being town means maybe I'm being lenient in some way regarding either you or Oats. I'm not even considering Coag based entirely on his shot; I don't see why he wouldn't just shoot Marv N1 since he'd been pushing for it all day and it would make sense (in a sort of twisted way) to see him do that. It may come back round to Oats. Dat filter.... anyway, a project for when I get home.
And the pieces fall into place.
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Dat panic.
On June 23 2013 03:49 ObviousOne wrote:
DP is a man with an ego
Whose reads are withheld you have seen though
My greatest desire
To lynch him with fire
Town vic'try for us, for the people
/bow
On June 23 2013 07:22 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm reading the conversation through GK's filter and it looks like they're both doing the "whateva whateva I do what I want" thing at each other. I wasn't sure if there was some kind of grudge backstory to this. Shiao has been solely focused on GK, and GK has been focused on Oats and Shiao.
This just feels really out-there in terms of interaction. The antagonism feels like it's long term, since I don't really see a reason for it to have sprouted up in the thread. I could be wrong, though, and probably am.
On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting? It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.
Some serious waffle followed by
On June 23 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:
We can be reasonably sure that DP won't fuck off if he doesn't die today. Can we say the same about GK?
Wai?
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I hammered DP.
OO waffled around and even tried to get people to vote GK (but was too scared to do it himself), even though he had DP as a strong scum read.
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Results are results. I hammered DP. Still no response for that.
I agree you lead that wagon, it's what I've been saying. Doy. You are just arguing my points.
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Coag it's simple.
We all voted DP. I explain a situation where scum OO has motivation to do so. OO has been playing at strawmen, and keeps dodging the big point. Why hammer DP when it was soooo easy to vote GK?
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On June 28 2013 12:46 Adam4167 wrote:
I mean OO is so out of touch with the thread his fishing up cases from 48 hours ago on someone that I've since ruled almost surely town.
I asked for reads on all 3 of us in the apparent 'lynch pool of death' and I got nada. Some waffle about Oats antagonizing Cora on D1.
On June 29 2013 12:00 Adam4167 wrote:Back on point: what the fuck is OO doing. Again I call him useless and he doesn't even respond, he comes in, drops his vote on GK and then bails out - completely avoiding contribution. He still hasn't delivered anything resembling a read that I asked him for. Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 02:36 ObviousOne wrote:
Oats, Sloosh, and Adam are all the furthest from town on the spectrum so I will probably have to take a look at each of them again. Oats I've written off as town based mostly on his town meta, Sloosh I originally gave a town read for because I could see exactly where he was coming from regarding my slot among other things, Adam had a super strong start outside of his vote but I don't hold the vote against him as it was made in haste so I need to do a comb-over for his content. Somewhere in here that has to be a motive for blocking Cora.
There you go, that's where I'm headed. His last post of any substance he says that Oats, Sloosh and Me are all the furthest from town on the spectrum, yet we never hear back about why sloosh is not so town anymore, nor does he comment on me. He throws out some random post on Oats and Cora from D1 and then he jumps on a GK vote. So OO, time to step up. You are just plodding along with thread sentiment this game and doing absolutely nothing constructive. Your egregious lack of scum hunting and general effort this game has run its course. Put your apparent confirmed status to work, get in here and make a case on all 3 of those players you consider the furthest from town.
On June 30 2013 13:47 Adam4167 wrote:
I can only conclude that there is some kind of 2nd family or 3rd party at work here to explain why OO and DP went at each other so hard, yet OO still acts scummy as fuck.
##Vote: ObviousOne
Whatever, I am tired of talking to stupid.
See yall in the post game.
OO has been coasting hard with "semi-confirmed" status since N1, with no interest in actually finding scum until now, which is lylo, which is when scum have to pull off the mislynch themselves.
Find me one true scum read in his filter. Show me where he puts effort in getting someone lynched. Quote where he tries to actively figure crap out instead of coasting like a scum who is riding town cred would.
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It's the 4th so I'll probably be out all day tomorrow.
There's enough in the thread as it is, look at it yourself, and pick whoever you want.
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Thank you HiroPro and Acrofales for hosting a great game, and all the players for playing!
I think OO would have won straight out by shooting Coag instead of Oats, given that I was tunneling so hard. A large part of why I thought Adam was scum was that there was (from my POV), very little to explain D1 concerning OO bus, and I was pretty paranoid after back to back uncertain mislynches, and I thought that scum in your position (non DP voters) would have to eventually pull 1 mislynch off the DP voter pool to win.
So yes, shoot Coag -> I blind tunnel Oats into oblivion, and Oats probably counter vote me.
I only started listening to dead Adam once Oats died, which served as the trigger that he wished his death would be. After that it was pretty easy to sift through OO being scum (beside the setup spec which I was doubting till the end).
@Cora
Agree with what Adam said. It's not scummy to be wrong, or even hard defend scum. In fact, many times town are wrong (e.g. me until the endgame). Claiming to save your hide really should be last resort (and I might try to argue never to claim in that way), because it gives scum ammo (e.g. "this guy is panicing really hard must be scum"), and lets them blue shot / rb better. Better to let your behavior speak for itself.
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On July 05 2013 13:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Oh right. You shouldve said something about, WHEN I FLIP, KILL OO. yeah, hammer it into my thick skull. Anyway, I didnt play very well. 
Sorry Oats. I don't think you played poorly, given that I didn't really consider you for a long time ... I think the big thing that threw me off was that you were gunning for me based on activity. Which is strange b/c I had a 1 page filter from Roulette, which is the game you said you finally read me as town in ObsQT. Activity for me means nothing. I've outgrown lurking as scum. If I'm not posting, it's because I'm not at a computer :/
And then the rest was b/c DP and rayn bussing OO was just so farfetched in my mind and I was paranoid to tunnel mode that I was basically lynching the whole pool of non DP voters based off that.
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On July 05 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 13:25 slOosh wrote:
Thank you HiroPro and Acrofales for hosting a great game, and all the players for playing!
I think OO would have won straight out by shooting Coag instead of Oats, given that I was tunneling so hard. A large part of why I thought Adam was scum was that there was (from my POV), very little to explain D1 concerning OO bus, and I was pretty paranoid after back to back uncertain mislynches, and I thought that scum in your position (non DP voters) would have to eventually pull 1 mislynch off the DP voter pool to win.
So yes, shoot Coag -> I blind tunnel Oats into oblivion, and Oats probably counter vote me.
I only started listening to dead Adam once Oats died, which served as the trigger that he wished his death would be. After that it was pretty easy to sift through OO being scum (beside the setup spec which I was doubting till the end).
@Cora
Agree with what Adam said. It's not scummy to be wrong, or even hard defend scum. In fact, many times town are wrong (e.g. me until the endgame). Claiming to save your hide really should be last resort (and I might try to argue never to claim in that way), because it gives scum ammo (e.g. "this guy is panicing really hard must be scum"), and lets them blue shot / rb better. Better to let your behavior speak for itself. I'll never admit to the setup speculation being intentional (for my own benefit) in public. Never happened.
? I was referring to my own setup spec, e.g. traitor / 2 family, which I summarily shut off as not possible. The one scenario I didn't realize until the end, which turned out to be true, was that there was a pretend bus attempt D1 that happened to get out of control.
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Oh marv, did you really yolo shot or did you get to use the check night 1?
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Dang ... no wonder. Yamato why hide behind me
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