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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 23 2013 21:42 GMT
#1421
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.

I haven't worked towards establishing a meta-case on Shao. If he can change his scumgame so much with last game, who's to say he hasn't done it again here? I'm really not factoring meta at all in my Shao case and solely focusing on possible scum motivation behind his actions.


As for if I'd prioritize lynching him over others, when most likely at least one scum is likely an active player, I'd say we should be able to find said active scum. There's certainly enough information out there from everything that happened day one that I'm confident this game should soon be completely solvable. It might be possible that somehow Shao is this trollish and useless as town. Although I still don't believe this is the case, I do believe it more prudent to figure out of the active players who's town and who's scum first. And after that we can truly determine whether Shao's scum based on process of elimination.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 23 2013 21:45 GMT
#1422
On June 24 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Somewhat.

He's being a lot more trolly this game which is throwing me off. The raw activity suggests he's town, but his refusal to substantiate anything is maddening.

Welcome to every game ever with Oats.

Anyway, work again. I'll see you guys in a while.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 21:51 GMT
#1423
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 23 2013 21:52 GMT
#1424
On June 24 2013 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:
GK, it really looks like you're mis-representing Cora's vote on you. From the very post you quoted...

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really feel like DP lynch would be really terrible so I would go for any other option besides DP.

GK is in that list of people who have played subpar and I would be up for his lynch. Right now there is a clusterfuck of people who have played like this. Might as well get rid of one of them now (as Hapa said).

##Unvote
##Vote: Goodkarma


The lurker lynch seems like a post-justification for his vote. He had a town-read on DP and didn't want to see him lynched. Whether or not that read on DP is scummy is a subject for another debate, but it is what it is.

Also, why do you care about list posts? List posts are non-alignment indicative.

I have my reasons to be suspicious of Cora, but all the reasons you're coming up with aren't very robust.


If you're referring to his lurker lynch post he made not too long ago I referenced, it doesn't sit well with me that half those people were on the DP wagon, and he doesn't even make any kind of note of it. He doesn't work to differentiate between them at all, and just makes some kind of blanket statement that he's okay with lynching into them. And that is scummy.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 21:52 GMT
#1425
On June 24 2013 06:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Somewhat.

He's being a lot more trolly this game which is throwing me off. The raw activity suggests he's town, but his refusal to substantiate anything is maddening.

Welcome to every game ever with Oats.

Anyway, work again. I'll see you guys in a while.


But usually Oats is willing to substantiate his reads and scumhunt without fail. He's a very opinionated guy who will death-tunnel people he thinks are mafia. This game doesn't fit that pattern. He seems more interested in "poking" people by calling them mafia, then refusing to back any of it up.

It's like he doesn't want himself to be taken seriously, which I associate with his scum-mentality.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 21:53 GMT
#1426
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

Show nested quote +
But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

Show nested quote +
I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

Show nested quote +
And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.


Frankly I find the contention that a player who's lurked in many scumgames and been active in one, we should assume he's going to be active in this one too, on top of what I said about playing more than one scumgame in a row. In fact you yourself should know how horrible it is to play consecutive scumgames.

The argument seems to be that a mafia player would make a special effort to be active and involved, whereas a townplayer would not make this effort.

When has it ever been this way round, ever?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 21:55 GMT
#1427
On June 24 2013 06:52 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:
GK, it really looks like you're mis-representing Cora's vote on you. From the very post you quoted...

On June 23 2013 07:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really feel like DP lynch would be really terrible so I would go for any other option besides DP.

GK is in that list of people who have played subpar and I would be up for his lynch. Right now there is a clusterfuck of people who have played like this. Might as well get rid of one of them now (as Hapa said).

##Unvote
##Vote: Goodkarma


The lurker lynch seems like a post-justification for his vote. He had a town-read on DP and didn't want to see him lynched. Whether or not that read on DP is scummy is a subject for another debate, but it is what it is.

Also, why do you care about list posts? List posts are non-alignment indicative.

I have my reasons to be suspicious of Cora, but all the reasons you're coming up with aren't very robust.


If you're referring to his lurker lynch post he made not too long ago I referenced, it doesn't sit well with me that half those people were on the DP wagon, and he doesn't even make any kind of note of it. He doesn't work to differentiate between them at all, and just makes some kind of blanket statement that he's okay with lynching into them. And that is scummy.


Oh ok that makes a bit more sense.

I'll give you that - it does look really bad.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 21:59 GMT
#1428
On June 24 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.


Frankly I find the contention that a player who's lurked in many scumgames and been active in one, we should assume he's going to be active in this one too, on top of what I said about playing more than one scumgame in a row. In fact you yourself should know how horrible it is to play consecutive scumgames.

The argument seems to be that a mafia player would make a special effort to be active and involved, whereas a townplayer would not make this effort.

When has it ever been this way round, ever?


My point isn't that Shiao is super town. It's that the things that GK is attacking him for are null-tells.

And frankly I'm more interested in hearing GK talk for himself. I need to establish his alignment right now, as that is the most pressing thing.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:00 GMT
#1429
On June 24 2013 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.


Frankly I find the contention that a player who's lurked in many scumgames and been active in one, we should assume he's going to be active in this one too, on top of what I said about playing more than one scumgame in a row. In fact you yourself should know how horrible it is to play consecutive scumgames.

The argument seems to be that a mafia player would make a special effort to be active and involved, whereas a townplayer would not make this effort.

When has it ever been this way round, ever?


My point isn't that Shiao is super town. It's that the things that GK is attacking him for are null-tells.

And frankly I'm more interested in hearing GK talk for himself. I need to establish his alignment right now, as that is the most pressing thing.


You suggested earlier that his inactivity was a null-tell or even a slight town-tell, and I'm telling you why I totally disagree with that.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 23 2013 22:08 GMT
#1430
Well it's really obvious to me now that GK is scum because he is both attacking a lynchbait and attacking him with really bad arguments where only one point is actually valid.

If I have to be lynched for you all to see that, so be it.
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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 23 2013 22:09 GMT
#1431
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

Show nested quote +
But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

Show nested quote +
I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

Show nested quote +
And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.



1) (Shao made his scumplay "worse;" I would just say if scum here he made is scumgame different): If indeed he's played like this as town, then fitting into his town meta wouldn't exactly be subpar as scum would it?

2)I was scum with Shao last game, and scum with him very briefly in Rockband before replacing out. He was town and I was scum in LVII, and he was in fact productive there and not this troll you've seen him be... And as far as I can remember, that's it. I certainly never played in LXII, and if you were to check my profile you'd know that... The point here is he clearly has different playstyles as town and different playstyles as scum, so exactly why are you trying so hard to meta-analyze him?

3) The afk around lynch-time specifically is not necessarily alignment-indicative. That he refuses to pop back in here and share reads of any kind, even after clearly being around enough to troll, is scummy as fuck.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:14 GMT
#1432
Shiao didn't play Rockband dear
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 22:15 GMT
#1433
@ Cora

On June 24 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well it's really obvious to me now that GK is scum because he is both attacking a lynchbait and attacking him with really bad arguments where only one point is actually valid.

If I have to be lynched for you all to see that, so be it.


GK does have one very good point against you:

On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.

Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.

The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).


This quote is really, really not good. Especially the bolded.

You group a bunch of "lurkers" without attempting to differentiate between them at all.

OO and SloOsh for example are mind-numbingly obv-town. Coag's a bit of a lighter-town read, but also should be considered fairly townie.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 23 2013 22:16 GMT
#1434
On June 24 2013 07:15 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well it's really obvious to me now that GK is scum because he is both attacking a lynchbait and attacking him with really bad arguments where only one point is actually valid.

If I have to be lynched for you all to see that, so be it.


GK does have one very good point against you:

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.

Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.

The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).


This quote is really, really not good. Especially the bolded.

You group a bunch of "lurkers" without attempting to differentiate between them at all.

OO and SloOsh for example are mind-numbingly obv-town. Coag's a bit of a lighter-town read, but also should be considered fairly townie.


Well lynch me then. I really don't care.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 22:18 GMT
#1435
On June 24 2013 07:09 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.



1) (Shao made his scumplay "worse;" I would just say if scum here he made is scumgame different): If indeed he's played like this as town, then fitting into his town meta wouldn't exactly be subpar as scum would it?


Fair.

2)I was scum with Shao last game, and scum with him very briefly in Rockband before replacing out. He was town and I was scum in LVII, and he was in fact productive there and not this troll you've seen him be... And as far as I can remember, that's it. I certainly never played in LXII, and if you were to check my profile you'd know that... The point here is he clearly has different playstyles as town and different playstyles as scum, so exactly why are you trying so hard to meta-analyze him?


Shaio didn't play rockband. And yes I mean LVII - wrong roman numeral. Annnnnyway, his early game was markedly similar to his early-game here, where he made a bunch of wishy-washy list-post reads and complained about being away from the game. It was only later in the game (in the last few days) where he really took charge of the town and almost won the whole thing for town.

Also, I'm more trying to play devils advocate with you to see how much substance your reads have than some sort of Shiao meta-analysis.

3) The afk around lynch-time specifically is not necessarily alignment-indicative. That he refuses to pop back in here and share reads of any kind, even after clearly being around enough to troll, is scummy as fuck.


He was in here and trolling? Which posts are you referring to, because I don't see them.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:19 GMT
#1436
On June 24 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:15 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora

On June 24 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well it's really obvious to me now that GK is scum because he is both attacking a lynchbait and attacking him with really bad arguments where only one point is actually valid.

If I have to be lynched for you all to see that, so be it.


GK does have one very good point against you:

On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.

Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.

The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).


This quote is really, really not good. Especially the bolded.

You group a bunch of "lurkers" without attempting to differentiate between them at all.

OO and SloOsh for example are mind-numbingly obv-town. Coag's a bit of a lighter-town read, but also should be considered fairly townie.


Well lynch me then. I really don't care.


Don't do the martyr thing, it makes your skin go spotty and none of the girls will like you.

Just explain what you did and if you are actually town there's a legitimate explanation.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 22:19 GMT
#1437
On June 24 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:15 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora

On June 24 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well it's really obvious to me now that GK is scum because he is both attacking a lynchbait and attacking him with really bad arguments where only one point is actually valid.

If I have to be lynched for you all to see that, so be it.


GK does have one very good point against you:

On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.

Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.

The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).


This quote is really, really not good. Especially the bolded.

You group a bunch of "lurkers" without attempting to differentiate between them at all.

OO and SloOsh for example are mind-numbingly obv-town. Coag's a bit of a lighter-town read, but also should be considered fairly townie.


Well lynch me then. I really don't care.


Do you think I'm asking something unreasonable of you? Don't martyr. Just answer my question.
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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#1438
On June 24 2013 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Shiao didn't play Rockband dear


That was Hiro sorry my bad. Hopefully he doesn't modkill me for mistaking him for Shao O.O
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#1439
On June 24 2013 07:20 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Shiao didn't play Rockband dear


That was Hiro sorry my bad. Hopefully he doesn't modkill me for mistaking him for Shao O.O


I'm sure he'd be honoured actually
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 23 2013 22:24 GMT
#1440
I grouped them all in the same category (as lurkers) because I'm still not sure about them. Sure, some of them voted for DP and were on his wagon, but they've all played really shoddy games and I'm not going to write them off as town just because they voted on the right wagon. As I've said before, that should not give anyone an excuse to not continue to look town and make an effort in the game.

The fact is those 5 are/were lurking and they are being really hard to read. There is a good chance that one of them is scum, and that was the point I was trying to make.

It's me being vigilant, not lazy.
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