EPTOf all the town-reads I have, the one I have on him is by far the least robust and the least justified.
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Hapahauli
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Of all the town-reads I have, the one I have on him is by far the least robust and the least justified. | ||
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1) How few questions he asks to other players after Day 1. GoodKarma does poke and prod a couple of players with random questions (mostly Shiao) on Day 1. However post-lynch, he really hasn't attempted to engage with anyone in the thread. He comes in, plops some commentary, and leaves without ever pursuing his reads. This is literally the only question he has asked since the lynch: Corazon, what is your read on Hapa? Huh. 2) It feels like his analysis posting empty "mass" and "drivel". One thing about the structure of his posts and analysis since the lynch is that his thoughts are often "dumped" into a post, are very rambly, are very poorly formatted... etc. The structure of his posts are really hard to read, and are almost designed to not take seriously. For example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453¤tpage=62#1235 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453¤tpage=69#1365 Like these two posts are essentially the culmination of him catching up on a giant block of posting. Perhaps this is baseless and I'm overthinking this a bit, but it just seems like he's posting in a manner that's just asking for us not to take him seriously. | ||
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He's done so little this game, and everything I thought was a town-tell in the past in his filter is not robust. I've felt like his analysis was bad all game, and that's pretty classic for a scum GK. ##Vote Goodkarma He is the lynch for today. | ||
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On June 24 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Isnt the above kinda what adam is doing? Adam is interacting with the thread. GK is popping in, posting stuff, and then popping out. | ||
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Anyway, I'll double check all of this tomorrow. For now, read through GK's filter and gimme an opinion. | ||
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Can you explain your thought process behind the Yamato save? Multiple people in the game expressed a desire to save Ange. Ange was the clear-cut save, and you seemingly ignored everyone's advice. On June 25 2013 00:18 goodkarma wrote: I've honestly grown pretty tired of this game, and all the bullshit it entails. Every. Fucking. Game. People want to lynch me for stuff I do day one. Regardless of alignment. And said stuff just carries over endlessly until either the game ends or I am lynched. Sorry Marv, but I'm never ever ever reading role PM's day 1 ever again. So here's the situation: I think there's merit to everyone being town at this point, including Shao. So we have nine people, and among them I'd assume one scum (two would be a bit odd with 2 3P, which should go without saying). As such, we determine who to lynch and in what order today. We can afford three mislynches, or 4 tries at this in total. If we take Corazon to be "modconfirmed town," and assume that everyone on DP wagon is town, we're left with this situation.: We lynch into Oats, Adam, Shao, Hapa. It's just a matter of order. Honestly, at this point, I'll probably just sheep whatever Obvious/Corazon/Coag/Sloosh come to a consensus on. I'm kind of worn out this game, and I don't need to be some kind of master scumhunter this game. We lynch between those four targets the next four days we should win. This rings somewhat hollow to me. No one is suspicious of you for Day 1 things. No doubt that somewhat plays into the equation, but your play on N1/D2 has been fairly lackluster compared to the effort that other people have put in. Shiao for example, came in and burst-posted more over the span of 1-2 hours than you had over the last day or so. @ Corazon I think you should roleclaim. If you're actually a blue-role, there's a pretty good chance that GK is scum - 4 blue roles is really extreme for this setup. If there are no other blues, it doesn't preclude the possibility of GK being town. | ||
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And as a last, but slightly preachy point... If you are finding yourself getting tunneld on Day 1 every game, not-reading your role PM probably isn't the answer, and you probably should look to your own play to see why players are getting on you. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I pm the hosts during the day and they count the vote as a secret vote. The ??? is me. Is it a 1-shot ability, or can you change it throughout the day? | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:44 cDgCorazon wrote: It doesn't say, but I can probably change it throughout the day. Yeah, I was wondering why you had your secret vote on Yamato yet were voting GK at the end of Day 1 | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:47 cDgCorazon wrote: Well I wasn't 100% sure about Yamato being town. The fact was that Yamato would not shut up about the secret vote and insisted that it was DP. I didn't want to change it to make Yamato tunnel me and confuse the town right before the lynch. That's fair. Not like the votes have a mafia motive anyway, given that you had a chance to save DP. | ||
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Firstly, he's claiming to have jailed the only guy (Yamato) who isn't around to verify his claim (given Acro's RB fuckup). Secondly, Ange was the obvious save for the night, so that adds further questions to his target choice. Thirdly, we basically have to assume that marv used his 1-shot vigi ability to kill Yamato and essentially made a YOLO shot. I suppose it's possible, but it would be an incredibly risky move for him to do. And lastly, there's a pretty high chance that the last scum is a roleblocker. A mafia RB literally has no choice but to claim JK to keep his story straight in future days. | ||
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Complete sentences, immaculate punctuation, and even has the level-headedness to come up with some long-term lynch plan. Then "oh btw, I'm the JK". It's not something that reads like a truly angry/frustrated townie, who would be panicing, mentally disjointed, irrational, etc. It reads as constructed. | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:29 ShiaoPi wrote: Wait a sec, from just at start d2. Factional KP cannot be blocked. As gk picked that quote he must have known that he couls not defensively rb. so yamato would have been an offensive rb. while that makes more sense it is still weird why would you rb your null??? Wait wut? Just to clarify terminology: Offensive JK = trying to Roleblock someone (usually to block factional KP) Defensive JK = trying to save someone from a NK Now obviously it doesn't make very much sense for GK to offensive JK Yamato. However nothing precludes him from Defensive JK'ing Yamato. At that point in the game, Yamato was obv not-scum since he was on the DP wagon. While GK mentioned Yamato as a null read early in the game, most of his analysis structure in the past two days basically assumes that everyone on the DP wagon is town (including Yamato). That being said, JK'ing Yamato is both convenient for the purposes of a fake-claim, and suboptimal (given Ange was the clear save target on N1). | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:48 ShiaoPi wrote: but he cannot defensively jk, cause factional kp cannot be rbed? Wait. Offensive JK is about blocking KP. Defensive JK is about saving someone. Now obviously Offensive makes no sense in regards to Yamato. However Defensive makes sense, since Yamato was obvtown after the DP flip. | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:55 ShiaoPi wrote: am i like hugely misreadint the op?? I mean why say yiu cannot block KP if it is just like usual? ugh, I hate my lack of sleep. does not do good things for my logic. now fine strike that ponlint off but gks claim is still too convenient and his play matches i swear I think the OP means that you can't roleblock mafia KP. Not that you can't prevent KP in the first place. Though doesn't hurt to ask. | ||
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