EPTOn June 11 2013 08:41 Hapahauli wrote:
make sure you vote in the voting thread Axle
make sure you vote in the voting thread Axle
brain fart.
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On June 11 2013 10:13 Blazinghand wrote: here, I just took this one ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ukN9z.png) as you can see it's quite a dinner yep like before you're town then? You could try variety in your diet. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:16 Hapahauli wrote: Well I'm going to condemn someone tonight. Who should it be? I don't understand the implications of the mayor rules yet. I have never seen their like before. But yes I think using the once per game mayor power up, is likely best. it could be game ender if left. at first blush, target selection using its similarity to normal vigi seems right. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:29 Hapahauli wrote: Also for the record, I'm going to use my condemn power as late as possible in the cycle. Give us all enough time to start posting and make this a useful 24 hours. thanks. (really) I first need to know. Who to condemn may be different question to who to lynch, (vigis AFAIK normally target a slightly different demographic) but vigis also usually cant hold an open discussion to find information. So I really suggest (to myself mainly as its obv?) that we are about to have 24 hr day scum hunting discussion ended by Hapa shooting someone. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:27 ShiaoPi wrote: for what it is worth i suggest shooting stutters. Have not played with him so i am unfamiliar with his meta. but he has been flying perfectly under the radar and not contributed much + Show Spoiler [explained in Axle_English (aka lots)] + Last night just before your post, I was debating whether to raise the spectre of lurker lynching you. As that makes it too easy for scum and still 12 hrs to go, I went to bed.(I probably have a screen shot of it somewhere.) To some extent the problem I had with your play at that time still exists. However, even though since then you posted some, even ran what looked like an unlikely mayoral campaign here That post contains, some analysis demonstrating you have demonstrated ability to participate in the thread but had not done that much during the day. Thus in terms of the BH diagram + Show Spoiler + but relabelled What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doing This game TBMK does not have a whole lot of What town really cant have a reason for doing that is what was stumping town jampidampi at the end. What Find in you, perhaps what you just found in stutters, is player who has less green they really should be able to provide me. (In this case the greens and reads are only... What is In your case the first part of the day was only hard in that you had be able to post in a relaxed enough way(?) that hapa got town read on you for it. (at the time an EARLY D1 read) That your play for most of the day chose to do things that are easy for scum to do, makes me go hmm. TLDR; How come you lurked for so long yesterday. It makes you look scummy to me. It especially makes you look scummy when later on you showed it was potentially possible for you not to Lurk but analyse. (Contrast with Sylencia, who to me is just Sylencia, and not Sylencia quieter than normal cos scared.) What say you? @Thread and BTW thread lurking tonight will in my eyes convict you. Dont do that. pls. | ||
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Sorry seemed self evident when i wrote it as i quoted shiaopi also it started life without the spoiler hence said: Last night just before your post, I was debating whether to raise the spectre of lurker lynching you. On June 11 2013 12:27 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler [explained in Axle_English (aka lots)] + Last night just before your post, I was debating whether to raise the spectre of lurker lynching you. As that makes it too easy for scum and still 12 hrs to go, I went to bed.(I probably have a screen shot of it somewhere.) To some extent the problem I had with your play at that time still exists. However, even though since then you posted some, even ran what looked like an unlikely mayoral campaign here That post contains, some analysis demonstrating you have demonstrated ability to participate in the thread but had not done that much during the day. Thus in terms of the BH diagram + Show Spoiler + but relabelled What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doing This game TBMK does not have a whole lot of What town really cant have a reason for doing that is what was stumping town jampidampi at the end. What Find in you, perhaps what you just found in stutters, is player who has less green they really should be able to provide me. (In this case the greens and reads are only... What is In your case the first part of the day was only hard in that you had be able to post in a relaxed enough way(?) that hapa got town read on you for it. (at the time an EARLY D1 read) That your play for most of the day chose to do things that are easy for scum to do, makes me go hmm. TLDR; @Shisopi How come you lurked for so long yesterday. It makes you look scummy to me. It especially makes you look scummy when later on you showed it was potentially possible for you not to Lurk but analyse. (Contrast with Sylencia, who to me is just Sylencia, and not Sylencia quieter than normal cos scared.) What say you? @Thread and BTW thread lurking tonight will in my eyes convict you. Dont do that. pls. | ||
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On June 11 2013 12:57 Hapahauli wrote: Oh 'doh I can't read. I'll let Shaio answer for himself, but I will say that he's not very active early-game in his town or scum games. What's distinguishable about his meta is his attitude and bravery. For example in his scum-games, he's absurdly passive and really tries to blend in. His mayoral campaign in the early game (even if based on cookies), is the exact opposite of that. Also, his case on Vayne seems genuine. Even if it was incorrect, I can sympathize with the analysis, and I can't see it being malicious coming from Shaio. {Correct or not} is not in some sense highly statistically revealing , (<see both nots) lots of town lynches (let alone wagons) is wrong a lot of the time (about half in tight games) (referring to my earlier post re BH vs Oats and the huge spoiler thing to grav man) Who voted for jampi and how/why, is one question. Also as it is pretty unlikely (IMO) Scum would fake claim cop at the time Vayne did, pretty much over rules any feel reads I had before that. Who voted for also very probable town Vayne and how/why, is another question. When asking how why, the question is, is it consistent with who they are and normally do things. I wish to state again in the light of mayor mechanics. We are going to be scum hunting like blue arsed flies all night and interacting, and not lurking. Often i suspect at night is when the votes leading up to the lynch get quietly analysed. Don't let the change game flow distract you(@everybody) from doing that too.+ Show Spoiler + No thats not me telling you how to suck eggs hapa | ||
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On June 11 2013 13:34 goodkarma wrote: Hi all. It was feeling like it was either I replace in or DP gets modkilled. I know how much it sucks for someone to get modkilled, so here I am. Unfortunately though, I will not be able to be fully caught up until tomorrow. A couple quick things.: Lynching Jampi for being lurkish, with no other real second candidate, was very bad. We're now left with little information to go off of next lynch cycle, so let's please not do this day 2... As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy. In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. If you can find two people you're confident are town, it's very likely at least one of them will survive until tomorrow. It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis and one reason why vigis like to shoot on night one. But if you absolutely must vigi someone tonight, I'd hit one of the lurkers that is likely not going to be any easier to read in upcoming days: Sylencia or Stutters. I would much prefer Sylencia over Stutters given I do believe from the past games we've played I could get some grasp of Stutter's alignment later this game. I'll give everything a good read-through tomorrow. Good night. We dont have time to mess around. + Show Spoiler + welcome to the game You say: "In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. " "It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis" made me go hmm but in a nice way. As it made me think of this. Question: Those statements minimise the risk side unless there is something I don't know didn't think of. Whats the expected benefit of shooting and when is it highest. However if we shoot tonight, or later night, the ratio of town to scum tends to drift in the direction where even random shots hit scum more often. As town thread information grows over time, through more discussion and flip analysis, you'd next think the shot gets more and more accurate. As we slowly lose the better players the mayors and the town informing them get derpier (sorry D2 players) the decision whether to shoot tonight or not is not IMO as clear cut as I thought. Rough feel guess is N2, may be better. What it will depend on is how much analysis we get out of players tonight and whether we choose to shoot people who don't push in this 24hrs. {hint: Hapa thats the whip handle i just gave back to you} Is that right, or did I brain fart. (I often dont in math just engrish and gammar) | ||
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On June 11 2013 13:04 ShiaoPi wrote: axle am i reading you correctly that you are calling me out for being somewhat passive after the game started while I could have went in with a bang as in doing heavy analysis right off the bat? juet to make sure, i got you correctly? yes thats what i am calling you out for. I grammar failed and didnt put the ? on this >How come you lurked for so long yesterday? So it was a question. the argument problem is if you were scum (that is easier for you to do than lots of analysis) it is also happens to be the argument for why the person you are pressuring stutters lurked. (lurking is easy to do even if eventually it attracts attention) | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Its 27 pages. Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read. Hapa whos scum... is it hard to have scum read if you also want it to be a correct. it just struck me it might be easier to have a scum read if you didn't care about correct. Do you have any thoughts on what would be easier? | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:21 ShiaoPi wrote: dont shoot too early. use the 24hs for more discussion. i want sylencia and stutters here at least. having a case from bh on oats would also be helpful in deciding whether bh is just bad atm or scum. @axle: I dont think we should hold off shooting today. I am pretty sure on hapas townieness, dunno if we will have another mayor with whom i have that high confidence of being town (besides me ofc). [..Deletia answer Q soon..] Assume todays mayor is scum, How much real choice does hapa have who he shoots today. "He" may have some, but if we chose to say have a player run in thread election N2 and decide today that tomorrows mayor will do the nk... N2...then that pretty much leaves the nk in town/thread hands. if scum got the role tomorrow theyd be brave to defy town. I dunno. its an idea. | ||
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Sorry muddled. deletia was of a opinion I really not sure of I have not yet counted out the paths. | ||
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@Oats On June 11 2013 14:22 AxleGreaser wrote: is it hard to have scum read if you also want it to be a correct. it just struck me it might be easier to have a scum read if you didn't care about correct. Do you have any thoughts on what would be easier? I want to understand how you think some more. | ||
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On June 11 2013 09:25 Sylencia wrote: Ok... day 1 claim is unfortunate  ##unvote is the obvious first move GravityMan: 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out. 2) That argument was actually rather annoying - flamefests just spam up the thread uselessly and demoralises the town side most of the time. I don't even feel like there was anything productive that came from it... 3) Lurkerish, lynchbait, scum jump on my weak cases etc. etc. Unless Jampi shows up soon (he said he would be here around now right?), I'm going to put a vote on him going mostly on Hapa's reasoning. ##vote Jampi Syl said: 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out. please clarify the meaning of the word erratically, in what sense are what people behaving erratically. id suggest choosing one or more, person or period in the thread, as an example. Was it only the BH oats thing id prefer another example as you said everyone. They dont have to be scum indicative. The problem is normally I read your posts and they make sense to me, that bit does not. | ||
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On June 12 2013 05:13 Hapahauli wrote: Or if you want motivation, consider this my intent to shoot you unless you post your reads right now. First Thankyou. (for the statement which then gets an actual response that I have not read yet... but it is response.) In general terms. I am not sure if there is whole lot in this thread since, my last posts or even the beginning of the phase. There are only so many times i can listen to you oats and BH, saying such pearls as brb back I have to eat dinner, you so bad, you saying hear puss puss (herding cats), and oats being oats. Be very clear, that looks like mud, but um err Gravity man could have if he wanted to turned up at any time and said lets drive this thread and find scum. Syl could have turned up and asked question to clear up, and asked questions about http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18865436 any of these events. When i didn't understand the word was meant by the erratic in Syls post I asked. It looked like just an empty excuse, perhaps under pressure. If under pressure then from what. So I asked Syl answered, now that bit is good with me. Stutters could have turned up at all. So be very clear while the post counts for all those doing it went up, without a lot of stuff, that is as far as that goes. The alternative of the people who already have been doing things, posting and eventually accusing one another and imploding is how towns lose games they should not. for clarity, unconsolodating the rest of this post. | ||
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On June 12 2013 03:04 GravityMan wrote: Ah, the perceived need to defend myself has distracted me from the task at hand and I have forgotten to pursue my own course of action. Hapahauli, if you do not know the answer to my question regarding this Sylencia, perhaps someone else does. In the meantime, I will be moving on as time is quickly winding down and there is much action yet to be taken ex noctis. Indeed you did. And for me that is a problem. You see if it was your course of action, finding scum and you were pursuing it then something that would be easier to do is remember the line of enquiry you were pursuing and then come back to it even if distracted by more immediate concerns. Whereas if you were trying to look busy, getting distracted is easier to imagine happening. Thus remembering the diagram which has only red green and orange, the above is somewhere else (aka a more complex diagram) where there are regions that are orangy red. While town can do them, and so can scum, it is is little easier to drink the wine that scum forget what they were trying to pretend to do than town forget what they were actually doing. Anyway ...a specific question. This post was questioning blazing hand, for some purpose. (Good bad or otherwise) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699 Your next post is an answer to hapa http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860245 then little more info explaining that http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860286 and then two hours pass... and you post this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18861031 Now I am not asking you to justify the value of that question. Its was in keeping with the theme of the discussion at the time. However somewhere back up there in my filter, i indicated that at times it was important to look at what isnt there as well as what is. GravityMan, you said the questions in this post and presumably their answers were important to you. Did you get those answers to those questions. it did confuse me for while as there was also this exchange http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859401 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859439 Did you get an answer to the other post? What made you no longer need the answer? My problem is when i read through your filter and try to find an consistent thread of thought, I dont. It makes me go Hmmm. | ||
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On June 12 2013 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I mentioned this earlier but if we are to believe everyone read's then one of the afks had to be scum. Gravity has since started posting but dp/his replacement still not much...One of them pretty much has to be scum if Hapa isn't. It seemed like every person was playing every man for themself, absolutely zero semblance of any sort of scum team in this thread which leads me to believe some afk action. My final answer before I most likely die is to shoot Gravity, BH, or GK. If at any point blazinghand does something crazily scummy or even remotely scummy lynch him on the spot, he's already raised multiple red flags At some point in time, we must ask the question ... Was i wrong earlier when i gave town reads to... Hapa did it when he gave an early D1 read to Shiaopi etal (go find the post where ia sked him about how many town reads and ez reads) he clarified to me anyway, that early D1 reads do change. AKA EARLY D1 when hapa says Shiaopi so town, its not even really a back flip, later when the meaning of what is really town has changed to people trying hard, that the read changes. Simialrly at some point we must start worrying about one another, me hapa BH oats (maybe even vayne, + Show Spoiler + is it in the tiniest possible for clever scum to see the writing comign and fake claim and just hope?) i dont actually know whats in the red orange and green bits for whats possibel for "good' players. I dont know if he would be good enough to pull that. it is the kind of epic shit ive hard that ace pulls.claiming unlynchable? and getting believed Anyway, at some point eventually id even suspect hapa, that is not yet for me. I dont think i like your shoot list | ||
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On June 12 2013 07:26 Hapahauli wrote: Well I shot BH. If there's anything you want to say, before the mod-post, floor is yours. This is for reals? | ||
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Sorry not up with whether the thread is in a jokey eating dinner phase or not. | ||
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On June 12 2013 07:50 VayneAuthority wrote: Axle, it would be a nice play but short lived. Once I do not die after a while it would be pretty obvious that I was scum. Here's some WIFOM for you scum, if that means I get to stay alive longer  Sorry you appear to have misunderstood what i am thinking perhaps I didnt say it right?. yeah yeah, that was an example of once we eliminate all the much likelier easier to drink wine we come back and reevaluate every town read. If hapa made it to three man LYLO Id be :\ by then... ok? is that clearer.) i am pretty sure in my filter somewhere I defined your status as time will sort it out just as you say, + Show Spoiler + Some other time we can discuss how and why scum might do it to buy the time, to allow the likely to be dead player more time to mess with the thread. In the specific case of you however you claimed so early in the cycle... at a towny time in the cycle as there was time to find an alternative, on avergae IMO if scum fake claimed it would be later. When they wre surer there was no way out. because to have fake claimed would have been a blooooooody big gamble. So yeah your town until well after ... ooops. I cant say when, that would be dumb. | ||
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