I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia - Page 2

This is possibly a clarification or not as needed.

Most of that post defines how you talk about "Oh we get zero information without flips... blah blah..." and looks to me like way of saying nothing but making posts.

With reference to this post of yours, which worried, with its to me false claim of zero information.
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@Vayne The question was.
" Independent of how the votes pan out, because sometimes at the end of the day there is one no brainer candidate.
If we discussed the mayoral campaign, and found out who was shy about commenting during the day before the result was clear, would that help find scum or would it as you seem to suggest yield 'zero information'. "

I can now make the point clearer...

Just recently the idea of voting, hapa appeared... (which may or may not have surprised some)
If we had discussed the mayoral campaign in more depth earlier, and found out who was shy about commenting during the day before the result was clear, would that help find scum or would it as you seem to suggest yield 'zero information'.

What I was wanted was reasoned answers from you, on something, on anything, because at that time I hadn't seen them. Your back and forth with oats and the stuff since is what I was actually seeking to get to happen. Now there are some posts by you with content.

Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming

If this doesnt make sense sorry, it means I made a wrong assumption/guess.
Ok. Low hanging fruit questions are a useful commodity. They can be used to check the operational efficacy of low hanging computers. I try not to waste those questions by answering them. This for instance answers a question not asked. The above paragraph, will either acks(geek speak(makes sense)) or it doesn't.

These are 'kind of reads' I think they provide the required information anyway.

How to read Smurfs 101. Well BHs diagram + Show Spoiler + clearly does not apply as there is not "What they do as" as we have no history data for and until you flip we don't know which one you are this time. However what we need to do is relabel that diagram as What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doing

Now the problem is, there are things that it is hard for newbie player to do as scum that are not hard for an experienced one. So we simply can not yet make use of the diagram unless we tweak it some more.

Given an estimate of how good this player is: What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doing

So armed with that diagram I need an estimate of how good you are, before I work out what of your posts goes in the
What is hard for scum to do. part of the diagram or the other...dum dum da dah.

here is where for me it gets interesting.
A large part of your opening post, can be written off by some, (as non productive fluff and nonsense), it actually is a claim, but not he usual kind. It is claim regarding your facility and capabilities with language and the thoughts inside.
As such it can well be relevant to: Given an estimate of how good this player is: What is hard for scum to do.

These: Questions to hapa: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18852266
Are good questions, in the sense that hapas answer to them will give me a stronger read on him.
That you can identify good questions, also indicates that you are a capable player.

Does it yet meet the criteria What is hard for you if you are scum to do?

Well as my read on how good you are, is good enough, I am not really going to say, except so far so good.

A next test will be yes, you asked hapa the right questions to ask hapa,
for me a next test will be how well you choose who else to ask questions of.

I will also say on this point that there thigns that if newbie player does them then
What town really cant have a reason for doing
but sometimes if the player is better, they choose to do things ...
Hmm IIRC, palmer claims all the time, I think he once stated in thread he couldnt talk right now because he was busy posting in the QT...., now you would have to be really dumb before that was scum slip but not many townies do that.

You asked:
I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same?

Assumptions are dangerous things and let you, as you perceive me, to accidentally see false thoughts in my head.
(its also how the tricksiest scum I can imagine, set people up, so far i am yet to be sure they (such very tricksy scum) exist.)

hmm: pedant: "I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person,"
if you were another person id regard you differently because you would play differently in this game.

ahh but you want me to assume somehow a different person made the same posts?
partly see above regarding hard for scum to do depends on how good the person is.

I expect there is a significant probability you are "a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills"
so your question is a bit moot due to faulty premise/assumption.

However if i knew which player you were, it would reduce the error margin in the estimate I have of how good you are:
I would (because it is part of how I hunt scum ) still apply the 'hard to do as scum test', but with a better estimate of how hard that would be for you.


Further by knowing which specific player you were I could go and read your previous play, and look for things that I thought you would find hard to change that were intrinsic and natural to you and how you play as scum and town.
However as the sample size of such measures is small that has dangers of error.
Thus I like words usually lots of them so Bhs original categories are for me more like.

Things this particular player frequently/usually/moreoften does as scum but are also consider robust and unlikely to vary over time and RL circumstance. Discount needs to be applied for how old the meta is blah blah blah... lots can go wrong.

Finally from some reading i have done on evolutionary biology, humans have evolved as social animals, some RL humans have always been scummy, and so when they went to stab the mamoth (a risky task) some humans always happened to stab last... other humans ferreted out these scum. The scum and the town evolved... it is called a red queen race in the literature.
Thus, simply, gut instincts, gut reads, actually work. If I knew who you were and had long enough experience reading you and testing that, I might be able to do my 'wet finger test'.

Wet finger test: For some payers, I read their posts one at a time out of context, look in my gut and say "scum" or "town" whichever one doesn't make me feel queezy. If most or all posts are one or the other that is their alignment no matter what the wizz kids(local experts) say.

{go on object and claim you really are talented enough to fake that!}

Lots of stuff hasn't been said about this: so i will quickly. What if the mayoral power is immunity to cop checks.(although our cop having claimed probably wont get to be that useful.) Anyway I always liked hapa for mayor, for the other obv reasons but also because (even I was wrong and he's scum) I think wed still work it out, as he posts so many reads.
Conversely putting someone like Vayne, who Bh says fooled him last time in as mayor where powers might leave us up the creek. Also given Vayne closed, style of play, nah not mayor. Too much risk. Remember way back when I (I think) flagged risk benefit analysis for mayor, this is the kind of stuff thinking I meant.
Hapa for mayor.