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Hopefully this is nooby friendly x) | ||
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On June 13 2013 18:54 strongandbig wrote: yeah this is pretty much the opposite of noob-friendly from the OP I can figure it out | ||
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On June 14 2013 19:48 deconduo wrote: I'll start on the 19th with however many signups I have then. If you can follow the other games, you should be fine. I read them, and checked out the roles. Seems fun. I couldn't find the roles from the most recent pokemon themed game though. | ||
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On June 21 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote: There's flavor and whatnot that we're guaranteed to get, but can we agree not to get TOO themed in terms of creating roles? I've never watched the show but might in the future if I ever have a spare millenium, and would prefer if there are no roles like "You die after the third night CUZ YOUR CHARACTER DIES AT THE END OF SEASON 3 AND IS KILLED BY THIS PERSON" Exception: any one-shot poisoners used as plot devices by the show. I have never seen the show. I'm gonna get lynched first x( | ||
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The lynch me first message? You monster | ||
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On June 22 2013 02:09 gonzaw wrote: Yeah I think whoever got my role will obviously know I was the one that made it... ...both for the role and the terrible flavor writing lol I'm glad i'm pretty unknown in the TL Mafia scene. People aren't going to know what to expect! | ||
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##Vote BloodyC0bbler We aren't allowed to hint at our role right? I don't have any meta advantages like the rest of you guys, so I'll just be going by my gut. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh I'm so impressed. Now could you respond to Wave's case on you? Thanks. His case has some merit, but I could point out some pretty obvious flaws in his arguments. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Well his arguments about your mental inability from refraining of posting cat pictures with the overarching connection theory that scum players tend to be cat people have a lot of merit, and his points about your easy acceptance of the confirmed scum flip acro's excuses also resonate deeply with my soul. Look at austin. He's a dog person. that must mean he's town. You howver are a cat person. JUSTIFY THIS BULLSHIT Well I guess i'm going to have to reveal. I was blackmailed into only posting cat pictures. I promise I would never post a cat picture, it sickened me to have to go find those pictures and repost them for you guys. I think mafia right now are - COBBLER and his teammate who forced me to post cat pictures. Also uhm...I don't know how to say this without being awkward but....Can I get a ##Lovetap ? ##Lovetap Dandel Ion | ||
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Nope, the more the merrier :-) | ||
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On June 22 2013 08:04 s0Lstice wrote: So skater guy...I'm in my phone so I cba to check the pregame chat...you said this was your first ever mafia game? On teamliquid YES. I have played before on other forums before though so i'm not a complete noob. | ||
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On June 22 2013 08:17 s0Lstice wrote: Alright then. I like that you are in here posting comfortably. Doesn't mean a ton since you aren't a true newbie, but its a start. Well i've read the A general guide to Mafia AND How to Improve: Mafia XXX Analysis threads, so i'm basically a master now. Don't be a prude and keep that ##Lovetap to yourself. :-) | ||
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##Lovetap geript On June 22 2013 09:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its official, Decon needs to add the rule to the pick their power games "BC is not allowed to have cool / good roles" also, dandels insane spamming is annoying. I have never lynched a town once in all of my TL mafia games. How does it feel to be on my scum list? The pressure must be unbearable | ||
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On June 22 2013 09:56 s0Lstice wrote: Also skaterguy, I'm a selfish lover. Sorry ![]() It's okay ![]() | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: alignment indicative? possibly not? something I hate passionately and if I had a gun would shoot over? Very likely. SCUMMEH. I don't like doing this with scum, but I think you need some of this. ##Lovetap BloodyC0bbler Golden Rule - Do onto others what they would do onto you, especially ##Lovetaps | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here. Let's see: Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does. Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet. Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say. Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them. So, who got my role? I just wanted to let you know I've got your stream on 24/7 surveillance for scum slips. and it's Day 1 and I don't think we are allowed to reveal the roles we gave yet. ![]() | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I WISH I could stream, sadly small children and lack of internet do not allow for such frivolities, at least not until late August or something. I'ma go play a bot game for my win of the day. Dandel you should play with me. Why don't I have you on my flist? Is it 'cause you're SCUM??? I will not fall for such a weak excuse. You will not trick me into stopping my surveillance! | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:45 geript wrote: You found me out. I haz role. Why you blu hunting biznatch? Those who don't ##lovetap are SCUM I see you trying to make me jealous by lovetapping WaveofShadow. | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: Totally not scum here! ##Lovetap xxSK8rGUy277xx Confirmed town Kitaman gets my lovetaps ##Lovetap kitaman27 | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone potentially activating your role when they have 0 information on you is retarded. You attempting to force said issue makes you more likely scum than town. I'm just spreading the love. Don't be upset cuz you aint getting any ##Lovetaps On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote: I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town! Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. And then scum can just kill the person who wrote their role and claim whatever they want. Let's not do this guys. | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:07 Acrofales wrote: Either scum was told what the town is called or DI is (unfortunately) town. And before you guys start, I say unfortunately, because I was looking forward to lynching the crap out of him. It says in the opening post what the town are called. | ||
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On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote: Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing. I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi. I never said I was a noob. I just don't have the meta advantage that the vets of this forum have. Or disadvantage, I read players based on their posts because I don't have that extra knowledge. So I can't be misled by meta. Voting bc was just to see reactions. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:27 Acrofales wrote: Anything you learned and feel like sharing? Not any real evidence. Just some suspicions which I will keep to myself for now. Don't want to cause a mislynch because of a poor read. I want to keep my rating of 0% town lynches as town. | ||
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Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > ![]() | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. First part - My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote. Second part - Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:11 Acrofales wrote: I still have no clue what you're on about with the second part. Presumably the lovetaps are part of your role, and not just random crap you made up to have something to talk about on D1. That's fine. However, I fail to see how this gives you any indication of what alignment the maker of your role was. It doesn't yet. I was letting town know this so if something happens to me then we know the writer of MY card is scum. Ideally thats the only reason why you would force your target to reveal to do their ability is so that the writer are aware of it and can respond according to their alignment. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought. I was not forced, but if I have to get lovetaps to use my ability then I am either A) Forced to reveal that I am receiver of the writers role B) Do not act, Writer doesn't know I have their role but then I am basically just a citizen. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:25 strongandbig wrote: You're voting me because I'm harder to catch than I used to be? Okay great. When you say it was "dubious", do you mean that you disagree with my analysis? Because whatshisface just admitted that his bc vote had no real motivation, and I don't buy the "I did it to gauge reactions but I'm not gonna explain what they were or what my analysis is" line, so I'm not feeling too "dubious" here. You think a random vote before BC even posted would have actually meant something? I am keeping it on him because I'm surprised at how you are trying to discredit me for an action that normal people would have just marked off as trolling. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be honest what you just said would implicate snb as scum not me, but keep up the good work. your record of not lynching townies is going to be broken if you manage to lynch me. It's only 1 vote, and yes but I am not sure enough of Snb to put him at 2 votes, yet. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: but you are sure of me? Why. You must have reasons to think I am scum as you have said that I am scum 100% You even said snb was scum 100%. If you are so sure that we are scum you would be actively pushing said reads. Instead you are fine with not attempting to do that. So, whats the deal? If you have a 100% read on people as scum you should be pushing. Also before you say you were "just jking" or some other dodge of your own words you have actively responded and claimed they are your legit reads. So, why are you not attempting to push lynches on your 100% reads. I included you in the list, and will keep my vote on you. I am bad at percentages, i figured i have to reach at least 130% before they are definitely scum. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didn't even bother answering why you aren't pushing your scum reads. Why aren't you? Making lists with 0 reasoning behind it or solid commitment to your read is useless and is incredibly scummy. You are my scum read, which I have committed to pushing. Making a day 1 list of who I think is scummy is not scummy. Of course i'm not going to push them, because really they are just lists. If you want to be technical, yes I was not serious when I said 100%. It's day 1, you should assume that I was not 100% sure. Defending and discrediting me so hard on day one however, is scummy. Hearing that you died d1 your past few PTP's makes me feel bad. I might consider doing a pity unvote. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:49 s0Lstice wrote: This actually makes him look more town imo. The stuff you are doing in regards to him is not at all going to get him lynched, so as scum he would be free and without fear to let you call him scum with no reasoning, and to no effect, rather than put fuel on the fire by getting in your face about it. Sure. You can see it that way. This is Day one, so a lot of my 100% scum reads are going to likely change. First post, reveals that he has a cool/ good role. Which makes me think he has a poor role and wants to blend. Then he wants to deny me from activating my role. Along with other players. With 0 information on what it would be. A scum would not want a town to activate their role because they are unsure of what it could be. Then he tries to get me to change my vote to SnB. As you said, my pressure is not going to get him lynched so why would he care if he had one vote on him? I didn't want to be derailed. On June 23 2013 03:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Don't care if I do. Anyone dumb enough to lynch me day 1 is completely retarded. I get suspected every game day 1 and i am almost always town when this happens. Ptp is prime example of this. I actually had no meta experience of BC, so my voting did not matter from this. For a guy trying to be apathetic about getting killed day 1, he is trying very hard to keep that from happening. Against my very weak fos. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: WoS has not posted a case yet apparently it has merit (how does a non existent argument have merit) it also apparently has flaws. he then responds to Showing he is actively trolling with dandel. He is in no way attempting to create an atmosphere you can even play in while also attempting to get people to activate his role with 0 reasoning. Combined with his play I have already mentioned this guy is either the single worst player I have ever seen, or is scum. Can't handle the trolling and me voting you, so I am now the single worst player. I'm honored, there are so many others you have played with and I get the award? Please take day one more seriously. | ||
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Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability. ![]() My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: unless he has an ability that defends from day shots, yes, yes he is. Well this is awkward. Am i not supposed to post if I get shot. Will there be an rp about me dying. | ||
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Looks like Bloody just day shot me OOPS. He killed a towny. Good thing my role actually doesn't need me to be alive. Consider this before you let him walk away from killing me as killing a troll. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: See, this is the mentality of keeping people like kush/grush/etc... alive until late game when no one can read them at all but because they lived so long they are almost always given a free pass regardless of alignment. Vigi's job is to clear town of mafia/people who are actively hampering towns ability to win. You can disagree with my shot however you want, but I am sick and tired of having to deal with this shit behaviour. Difference between shit behavior and trying to get killed at night. It's something you have to look out for. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:40 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Difference between shit behavior and trying to get killed at night. It's something you have to look out for. ...And should look out for as a Vigi in a game mode like this. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote: Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I don't think you understand how this game works. I didn't reveal I was a vigi on day one. I didn't get raged at trolls either. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote: Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this? Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote: You've been playing with Vayne haven't you? Who? :p | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd. If you are scum you can get away with a free kill on someone and just say it was because he was trolling. If I flipped town, you claim I was trolling anti-town and have helped the town. Also you can go ahead and stop pushing that you have day vig abilities. It's been over an hour. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote: Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG. Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail. Sk8r! Are you bulletproof? Nope. I most certainly am not. I was going to go cry of getting killed day 1 in my first TL Mafia game. But apparently, BC trolls the trolls with fake day vigi claims. Ok so BC has - Claimed to be vigi Claimed to write his own role, aka vigi Lied about shooting me, to either pressure me into revealing information or something. I was convinced it was real up until now. I have no meta reasoning. People say this makes me illogical when really I need to do plays like this to gain information on them. I'm not going to read through all your past games to get an idea of the Meta. I voted him for no reason, true. He then tunneled me hard and then tried to day shoot me. His reasonings were that I were being anti-town for not revealing reads on a troll post I made. So grats, you forced me to hint at my role. Except now you revealed that you are lying about your role. I am not bulletproof in any way. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:27 Zephirdd wrote: Now I'm just waiting for dat actions post .-. Yep my last will. I was actually not trolling. Please don't buddy onto someone who kills towns at a whim. You may be mad that I trolled and didn't have reasons for my trolling (day 1...) but I assure you everything I did had a reason. My final ##lovetap ##Lovetap s0lstice | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I was roleblocked -_- Roleblocked after actions were sent? I can confirm I got no feedback. BC was lying. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Hold on though, Sent did say there were 4 actions, no? Post says last few actions. But that implies three or more. Which means he actually attempted to shoot me or at least sent them an action saying that. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:38 Zephirdd wrote: sk8r, play it out. Consider Dandel Ion's posting and tell me how town/antitown it is. You can redeem yourself, y'know I think Dandel is fairly town. His trolling at start is not anti town, just bored day one shenanigans. He is probably the only one defending me and agreeing with my FOS. His initials posts were trolling, and then he came back to post seriously. Also, because he did the ##Lovetap (unsure if his counts though) then he is likely not scum. I can only base this off me knowing my own alignment and knowing that scum know all of eachother. So scum would not want to give me the chance to use it. A town would expect that at worst if I was scum, my scum buddies would be able to charge my ability anyways, so it wouldn't hurt to do it. At best they would be giving me an oppurtunity to use my abilities against the scum. I do not think trolling is a scum tell. His reactions to BC shooting me where that of a town berating a bad vigi. Dandel to me right now is most likely a town member. | ||
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This in itself doesn't, but coupled with the rest of my post it helps add to my opinion of him as a town. From a town perspective, me not dying means that BC got lucky and didn't kill a town member. Berating a vigi who will kill people that are anti town is in hopes that he will not continue day killing for no reason. A very pro town thing. However, since Dandel is in the same position as me i.e. Threatened by an over-emotional vigi. It makes sense that he is going to call him out on making a bad decision. | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:29 geript wrote: I'll have to go bad and look again, but there's still no assurance you're town. My point is that berating someone for shooting anti-town town before they flip isn't something that town actually can do as they aren't informed on who's town or not. This post comes in wholly assuming that BC and St8ter are town. Yet, for much of this time Dandel has been pushing BC as a lynch target. Those mind sets don't match at all especially since Dandel was berating BC for shooting at anti town town. So why do you think that Dandel's actions make him look towny Sk8ter? I can not prove I am town. It can only be stated and looked at retroactively to find other towns after I flip. True, but everyone can agree that him using his day vig ability was not a good play. Town would not want the vig to go and kill again with such a poor reason. A Mafia would not mind having a Vigi that randomly shoots town trolls, and would not speak against it. I am not seeing what makes you think he is asusming BC and myself are town. He was comparing BC to another game and saying if he is town, he is not playing well. Dandel would assume that BC would not continue to play poorly and instead concluded that he is scum. *My interpretation, Dandel may have been thinking something else. | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:47 geript wrote: In LXI BC played terribly and gave the game to scum on a silver platter. The assumption is that he's playing badly again and therefor town. But if he's playing badly and shoots you, that impugns that you're town (shooting scum d1 is good play obviously). The thing is as a vigi, you're supposed to kill anti town elements. How is it that you've come out of this whole D1 shot scenario with the fact that Dandel is town instead of trying to get a better read on BC or be able to build a good case on BC being scum? The first thing sounds good. The second part - Killing anti town is not the same as killing scum. I will disagree with you there. Even if he believed I was anti town, acting on it day one is a poor move. I did post the new reads on BC after I believed it was fake, you are quoting only my most recent post. While it's possible that someone created a role that can roleblock after something happened. I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't admit to at least making the role. I will say that I did not make that role. I initially thought perhaps there was a day healer, but I had no message about being attacked, and dismissed that. Until someone claims that they created a role that can either roleblock someone after they declared their action (which btw is a terrible role. Seeing as it only affects day abilities. Be ashamed of yourself for giving someone that) then I think it is fake. I know for sure I was not attacked and healed. What I conclude - BC attempted to confuse me into revealing information about my role before death by faking a vigi kill and that he picked the role for himself, which is notably convenient. His reasoning was because I'm a troll and anti-town and that killing me early would prevent me from hurting the game in the future, by comparing me to other players who have apparently done this. I would like to say again, trying to Meta an unknown player and comparing me to players you know is not going to give you a good idea of my playstyle. I am curious why other players are not seeing him as scummy after all this? Perhaps scum protecting. Killing someone you think is a town because they posted something anti-town is even more Anti town. @Solstice, what is your opinion on BC, and me while you are at it? | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:56 Acrofales wrote: There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point). I had only two choices either assume it's fake or die or maybe...##Lovetap Acrofales ? | ||
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On June 23 2013 09:10 gonzaw wrote: XXX, stop with this BC thing too, it's going nowhere. Comment on other people and shit ...also can I call you XXX? Doesn't matter I'll still call you XXX. Call me sk8. or sk8rgohan, or sk8rboi or anything, as long as it involves sk8. I might accidently overlook XXX thinking it's not me. | ||
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On June 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote: @Sk8ter. You missed my key question. How is it that pre-shot you have BC as 100% scum (of 130%) but aren't trying to use the shot to help divine BC's alignment? Your post shot conclusion is not a bigger better push on BC but that Dandel is town. Explain. First of all, holding me to the 100% scum I said in a troll post is just silly. The shot is not alignment indicative, a Scum could just have easily received the ability. I do not know the player well enough to know if he would attempt it as a scum though. Others have mixed reasons, I can only take it as a possibility. My post shot was initially that he is even more scummy. Later I posted why I thought Dandel is town because someone asked me to. If you want I can quote them for you and you can find their context. Or just filter. I feel like scum is allowing this day to focus on just BC and I. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:32 Acrofales wrote: Wait... what?! So tell me why Zephir is scum. According to you, not according to those other guys voting for him. Also, I'm catching up on the thread now. I hope I can make an informed decision in the next hour or so, because I have to go out and don't know whether I'll be back for the deadline. The day is almost over and the only two trains that are possible are Dandel and Zephird. Why are you so surprised that I would vote him? | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote: 1. With almost over you mean we have another 4 hours or so? 2. Because you haven't even MENTIONED Zephir before. Actually, SnB can wait for another day. Sk8er is trying to kill Zephir without even bothering to figure out whether he's scum or town, hence sk8er is scum. ##vote sk8er 1. 4 hours left in 48 hour day. Yes, it's almost over. 2. Read insightful posts from players I think are Protown on Zephir. My vote on BC is wasted, so I switch to a train that can cause some action. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:14 Acrofales wrote: I'm waiting for him to reply, because he seems to be around (at least somewhat) and I am not completely convinced he's scum, but well on my way there. SnB is based on meta. sk8er is based on him not giving a shit about who he lynches, as long as someone dies. Ignoring my post and defending Zephid. Yes, I will not be moving my vote. About Sol, I have good reason to believe he is town atm. I will post my read on him tomorrow. Last post for the day. I am not going to rely on the roles people made to give us an advantage vs scum. Unless everyone was like BC and wrote up vigi rolls, then lynches are still very important to the town. Putting your vote on me this late in the day is basically saying you want a no lynch. I can confirm I did not receive a vig roll or write a vig roll. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:23 Acrofales wrote: I know you always play like this, and it is pointless to try and convince you otherwise, especially as I won't even be around for the deadline, so I can't even push a proper counterwagon, but we should be trying to lynch scum, not just randomly lynch SOMEONE. Especially as I don't even have a clear scumread on the guy who is currently vote leader (which does not really mean anything until he has a majority). Filtering sk8er again, but by memory, his play boils down to this: 1. Aggressive and trolly start. Unexpected if scum, for being new to the forum. So townie points. 2. Strange reaction to the shot, and didn't actually do anything with it. Not giving out reads, not figuring out what BC's alignment is. 3. Doesn't care where he votes. Point 1 simply doesn't hold up in the face of 2 and 3. Lets kill him. And I said it was my last post.... 1. Metaing me based on being new to the forum. And here I thought I had meta immunity. 2. The shot doesn't actually give me any information, except that he is willing to kill a town because I fos him and he disagrees with my posts. His role and the shot can't prove an alignment. I leaned towards scum because of how hard he raged. 3. I've only voted twice. BC, which was just a random vote to see how he reacted...and he shot at me....and now Zephid, so that we can have an active train going, instead of derailing. | ||
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On June 24 2013 03:12 Kurumi wrote: Sk8r, did you roleblock BC? No. I am unsure why he claimed to be roleblocked. Also if I expected to die, why would I scum hunt? I said - Don't let BC get away with killing a town by saying that I'm just trolling. The argument that I should start scum hunting after getting day shot is poor, since I have no idea when the admin will show and pronounce me dead. Also I will pull the noob card here, I usually don't play in fms with day vigis killing and then you can just wait for response. Usually the day vigi pms the moderator, and then goes with the day shot. So sorry if my reaction is obviously not what people expected. Different forum meta. | ||
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On June 24 2013 03:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind sk8 wanted to get shot at night. Stress at night. He said that in thread that he was setting up a night shot on him not day. He was surprised by the fact I tried to shoot him during the day and not night. This leads me to believe he was attempting to draw (based on his play purely) vig shots for whatever reason. He admitted to playing like a troll and anti town. Given Acros analysis as well and sk8 being my strongest read I am voting there. I will be back later tonight to talk more but I must run off to see the venue for my buddies wedding. Day ends in 2 hours, how do you plan on talking more tonight? The trolling I admitted to was in the start of the game with Dandel. I never admitted to playing anti-town, why are you making this up. I was surprised but not because that you shot me during the day. It's the fact that a VIG shot me instead of scum. | ||
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On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. Read my post on different forums way of doing day vigis. I see scum bandwagoning on this train for poor reasons. Me flipping town as I said would confirm the players that lovetapped me as not Mafia, since Mafia would avoid letting town activate their abilities. | ||
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My role did not have any limitations on activating it at day. I planned on getting attacked and using my ability to mess up a scum kill. I will not reveal the actual role. I activated my ability to stay alive during the day. My role is NOT a roleblock, which is why I think BC lied or faked the attack. I am Sally Sparrow. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:14 kitaman27 wrote: So you said you were certainly dead, but have an ability to stay alive? Why lie? Was not a lie. I initially assumed my role could not work at day. I pmed the mod for clarification, and since there was nothing saying I couldn't use it at day I used it. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:16 kitaman27 wrote: At what point did you receive a response? Please respond in 30 sec. I sent it at 5:09, received a response at 5:10 | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:16 Zephirdd wrote: If you thought that you can just say you were fucking bulletproof and say that BC was lying about being roleblocked, AND PUSHED THAT HARD god damnit. It's also entirely possible that your protection ability means roleblocking attackers, not holding bullets. I say this because I believe BC is town. It's also super entirely possible that you are lying hard right now and there is a blocker in your scum team. You're tunnelling on me is to just derail the train on yourself. If I was lying hard, I wouldn't have revealed my RP name. The person who wrote my role understands how I survived. | ||
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Sure. It starts off with my RP name, Sally Sparrow and then some cute themed text. Then it says my role, it's abilities/weaknesses. And at the very bottom it says I win with the Alliance. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:24 kitaman27 wrote: As in 23 hours ago? What time zone are you referring to? EST | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:26 Zephirdd wrote: This was at 05:13. I'm assuming you're using TL's KST timing here. So you knew by this time(assumed) that you would survive the shot. Why are you still considering BC faked a shot on you here? Why didn't you consider talking about your bulletproofness at this point in time, when the thread was already going insane? Me claiming I wanted to get shot didn't hint anything to you? I denied the shot, because scum knowing that I am immune to shots can eliminate me as a possible night target. For the record, I am not claiming bulletproof, just that I activated my role to survive this shot. So feel free to still shoot at me, Mafia. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: votecount Votes: BC (0) - WoS (0) - Dandel Ion (1) - Kurumi (0) - SnB (0) - Acrofales (0) - austin (0) - geript (0) - s0lstice (3) - Xatalos, WoS, Dandel Ion, Zephirdd (4) - austinmcc, s0lstice, Sk8rguy (6) - Acrofales, Kurumi, ???, BloodyCoobler, Zephirdd, sk8rguy Bubbas not voting: strongandbig, Crossfire99, gonzaw Sk8rguy is the leading bubba with 6 votes. 9 votes are needed to lynch a bubba. Tell me if I missed anyone. Only votes in the voting thread count! Lynch is in You have me voting for myself here >_> | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:33 Zephirdd wrote: WHY do you think a scum player would waste a bullet on you after you just survived a dayvig? wtf?! You living is also beneficial to mafia in regards to discussion. Why do you still expect to receive a bullet on your head, when it's pretty obvious that you surviving would be amazing for scum? Answer: you don't, because you are playing the martyr card. The discussion is only beneficial to Mafia because players like you and BC are tunnelling me hard, which is preventing other discussion. I have only been defending myself, to prevent a mislynch. On the contrary, me surviving allows me to gather more information and because of the roll given to me I can CONFIRM my town alignment. At least one other player knows how I can do this, which is why I am still a threat to the Mafia. Any confirmed town role = threat to scum. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. ##Lovetap Crossfire99 | ||
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So we know that 1. I did not roleblock, and suspect BC to be lying of his vigi attack. The only thing that suggests it was a real attack was the post by the host about processing a few actions. I know one of those actions is mine. 2. I can confirm my town alignment with my role. I don't think crossfire meant for it to work that way, but I also don't think he expected me to be able to activate it at day. Loophole master sk8. 3. Zephids FOS against me started after he had a strong lynch train on him. So obviously he did not suspect me or was not posting about it, and then decided I was the easiest target to derail his lynch on to. My top two scum reads are Bloody Cobbler and Zephids. After I do a filter on Acro I will post a read on him. But he is my gut feeling for third scum. | ||
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Summary - BC - Because I believe he lied about his vigi attack, tunnelled me which distracted town from having quality discussion. Zephid - FOS against me started after he had a strong lynch train on him. So obviously he did not suspect me or was not posting about it, and then decided I was the easiest target to derail his lynch on to. The train on him has had a lot of resistance. | ||
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In case anyone overlooked it, Zeph also revealed his ability and that it can be used at Day saying ##No fucks given and Dandel confirmed that he wrote the role. I'm going to assume since Dandel did not push a vote on him, that he suspects that he used his ability in a town-like fashion. Because of this, I don't want to keep my vote on him. Would rather focus on a player who has not contributed at all past his inital thoughts on my BC vote. ##Unvote ##Vote strongandbig | ||
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Can anyone explain SnB's regular playstyle. Is he usually a lurker as scum/town/neutral? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:43 Kurumi wrote: WHAT THE FUCK WHY NOT CONFIRM MEAPAK? OR KITAMAN? OR BC? SOLSTICE? NOT EVEN YOURSELF? DIE LOL sorry my role doesn't work like that. ##Lovetap Kurumi | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:58 Zephirdd wrote: acrofales wrote a role for the doctor and so did Xfire? ????????? No he wrote my role, Sally Sparrow. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:28 Kurumi wrote: He defends himself based on the role he has. I ain't believin' a guy who's hiding behind a mask. I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much? I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:33 Kurumi wrote: Scum were directing the lynch. That's why we came 1 vote short to get it. Sure. I WILL fish for your role because I find your usage of it SCUMMY. You lovetap people randomly and expect them to lovetap back. WHAT IS THIS. Then you tell us you can magically confirm someone's towniness but never say why that particular person. We deserve an explanation. Solstice dies 10 minutes before end of day. Everyone suddenly decides to lynch Austin. I think we can all agree that a scum killed Solstice, why would a town vigi shoot him at L-1. Now try to figure out WHY Mafia would kill someone so late, it's so that they can try to quickly cause a new lynch on a player. The Mafia would not do it just to gain an additional kill, or they would just wait until AFTER the lynch. Unless the role only day kills, in which they would still kill someone else, and let town lynch him. Kurumi you suspect me because I revealed parts of my role, which has been confirmed by xfire. Why would you want to find my entire role, when it could possibly give Mafia an advantage against me? Currently they know that I survived a day vigi, have an ability to confirm town, and use ##Lovetaps but not the exact details. I would like to keep Mafia in the dark about my role, Why do you want them to know it? | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:43 Xatalos wrote: Lol, that's a pretty lackluster reason I must say...... Why would scum want austinmcc dead when he was A) scum or at least B) otherwise harmful to town and a good lynch candidate for D2? It just makes no sense for scum to rush in and vote for austinmcc. And it didn't even go that well, which proves that scum didn't want it. So austinmcc is either scum or scum otherwise want him alive. Possibly. Except you could use the same argument against Solstice, and Solstice was the original lynch target and flipped a blue. If you follow the votes, players who were on both the Solstice lynch and Austin lynch were Solstice lynch train - Xatalos, WoS, Zephirdd, kitaman, gonzaw, Crossfire99, geript, Dandel Ion Austin lynch train - Zephirdd, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, kitaman, Crossfire99, gonzaw, Kurumi Zephird, Xatalos, Dandel Ion, Kitaman, Xfire were on both the Solstice and the Austin lynch. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:52 Zephirdd wrote: Kurumi what if he can DT-check someone that Lovetaps him? Would that make sense to you? come on, it takes 2 cells to think of that Willing to take that chance? ##Lovetap Zephridd | ||
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On June 24 2013 07:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Anyways, during the day I got this: No further information. I was like whatever and picked one of the above. Dayphase is over and apparantly nothing is happening with it so I'm like whatever might as well claim it. If I had to guess I'd say you activated the ability you chose for the player. Look out for the feedbacks for the one you chose. On June 24 2013 08:06 Zephirdd wrote: The wording of my role is I made an addendum that it's a normal dayvig that needs a day to recharge. so yeah, it's instant(or as soon as the host sees it). I might be wrong however. It is possible that there is another dayvig role. The role is Madam Vastra. also, anonymous dayvigs are fun, what's the issue? :D I would be mad if I received this role. and I thought my role sucked..... Since you have basically revealed the role for Madam Vastra, is the Mason ability just pick and pm any player? If the 2nd mason dies can he choose a new mason? | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, xat. The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this. He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing" He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more. Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:11 Acrofales wrote: What the hell does wheel of time quotes have to do with your role? If nothing, then why the hell are you being so confusing. Nothing at all to you. It may seem confusing but it's a clear message to the writer of my role. | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling. | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you lied you trolled you have said pushing anti town players day 1 is bad you have played in a way to draw town shots These are 4 of my main reasons for not liking you. This isn't me tunneling you anymore. This is me looking at a player who has done fucking nothing all game. You still don't scumhunt. You spend time defending yourself more than anything else. You know what? If you scumhunt or appear to be doing things that help the town, people wont look at you. You have not changed your behaviour in my eyes at all since all the shit went down between us. As such you are still firmly red. Difference is? i am also looking at other people. Also given that I think you are scum, I don't believe you on how you say your role works. Nothing xfire said clears you of suspicion. Everything bolded is wrong. Where have I lied? I was mislead/confused about how the shot went down. There was no lie. Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later. I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not. @Austin I can explain the cryptic posts to a degree if you would like. | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:54 gonzaw wrote: ...okay you are getting lynched tomorrow >: ( ....goddamit dude ![]() Woah hold on here buddy. You might have gotten my role ![]() MZ's case against Wave of Shadow is pretty good. I don't want him to get lynched for giving you a role though. Host made it clear that you choose roles, then get alignment.... | ||
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On June 25 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote: So even though Gonzaw doesn't have my role, something he said rang true in that I think the role I wrote might end up being....easier for mafia to use than town? Should I reveal the role I wrote/force a claim because there is no risk to myself? The fact that I can't think of anyone who has hinted at my role right now worries me. I'm starting to believe that Gonzaw does have the role I wrote. Yes, the role I wrote is pretty useless as a town role, BUT would be easily identifiable if a Mafia received it. Which is why I wrote it up, lynching me for writing a role prior to my alignment is a terrible idea. That being said, if Gonzaw does have my role, he is most definitely town. A scum would not be revealing how useless it is, and instead using it to its full effect. It is not inherently anti-town though, it still has usefulness. That is if you got my role. Gonzaw please give me a hint to confirm your Role name. If it is actually mine, then you are confirmed town in my eyes. Another point, I receieved the TARDIS and passed it. To the receiver, Please read how the TARDIS works and then pass it back to me. If you don't pass it back I will be very confused and it will be very showing of your alignment. | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:33 gonzaw wrote: I hate you Sorry ![]() ##Lovetap Gonzaw | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:36 gonzaw wrote: How about straight up stating the role? If I get lynched a random dude that voted me dies But here's the best part, each night I can visit someone and he gains the same ability (after I visit him, if he gets lynched a random dude that voted for him dies). I have no use for it and there is no use in hiding it from scum or whatever because I'll never use it, so let's just get it over with (hopefully obs qt guys have pity on me or something) Oh...That's no fun. At least your innocent is confirmed but now I look like a jackass for making a scum role. I figured everyone is gonna go make docs/detects I should do something more interesting. You left out some of the role. Keep it left out, since you are town scum do not need to know every part of the role. And yeah you get my pity for my role that makes you shows you as dangerous obvious scum or VT. I wrote the role with that in mind. | ||
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So awkward, how did Kita know i started with the Tardis >_>. It's not even that good just saying. You have to give up a night of your actual role to use it, I got lucky that I used my role during day and then TARDis'd at night. I voted Kita for the thing. On June 26 2013 06:37 gonzaw wrote: I'd say the same to sk8 but I think it'll anger him and make him give me a shittier role in the future Hey Garbonzo, from what I understand, the role I originally gave you was modified/nerfed. Since the one originally posted actually has benefit to the town. | ||
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On June 26 2013 11:34 gonzaw wrote: How can this role possibly be the result of a nerf? NOOOOOOOO You just DONT DO THAT YOU JUST DONT CHRIST GOD >Scum directed the austin last-minute lynch >Votes austin without any reason Seems legit >Thinks scum directed the sol lynch and austin counter-lynch >Posts names of 5 players who did so, who he suspects some are said scum >Votes austin and never mentions those 5 players again Oh my god BC was right in trying to shoot you on D1 goddamit For fucks sake, I have to think about this ##Unvote: austin Because you said you can't use it at all. Derp? Read good evidence against Austin. Change mind. Obviously I was wrong with my opinion. >using meme arrows on teamliquid | ||
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On June 26 2013 11:50 gonzaw wrote: Actually I hope my shot gets one of austin/sk8, then we lynch the other one. Yeah, if that happens mah nigga can keep the KP. Or you can shoot snb, but let's let other people do that so it doesn't ruin your fun! So yeah, I'm going to sleep soon (1 hour) so I'm shooting that shit. If BC, Xatalos, anybody that had an action on D1/N1 think they'll be unlucky, please post reads and shit if you have time. You should have done that already though Why would you even suggest to lynch snb. He is going to be modkilled........ | ||
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Do you suspect two scum teams or something? I want to lynch Austin with only 3 votes on him. If I was on his team I'd just wait until later to blend not help push a lynch on him. Killing both of us is the worst plan I've ever heard. Killing one of us confirms the other. Even though It can be confirmed that either Kitaman OR I am innocent if he justs passes the Tardis back to me. Then I can do the same thing with another player and basically confirm my town role. Gg unstoppable logic | ||
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1. Either Kita or I am not Mafia 2. If this is continued with another player i.e. I pass it to you since you can't do shit anyways. You pass it back. Then we know that between me and you one of us is not Mafia. Lynch me if you want. If it can confirm Austin as scum then I'm all for it. | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:02 gonzaw wrote: I won't move my vote until you do. Also if it has something to do with the Tardis you better hope kita is "nice" enough to hand it back and is not scum or is not bitter 3P and keeps hold of it and we can just lynch kita then since he is not helping us confirm innocence. | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:16 gonzaw wrote: 1)Is the limitation about any SINGLE mafia using it twice, or about the Tardis passing hands between 2 mafia members? So if there is 1 Mafia and 1 Townie, they can't pass the Tardis to each other? 2)How do you know this? Because you got the Tardis at the beginning of the game? Who can confirm this other than kita? I assume you got 100% confirmation from the hosts right? And there is no thread of doubt in your head that can work? 3)Okay, imagine (1) is true, how does that prove you are not 3P? Or another anti-town faction (maybe a hidden scum like Sleeper Cell whatever) 4)I was going to ask a question about why you are still not scumhunting yet, but I know better now 1. No the Tardis has to be passed after use. The limitation is to prevent mafia from passing it back and forth to eachother. 1 mafia and 1 townie can pass to eachother. 2. 100% confirmation on what? Me having the Tardis. yeah. I passed it to solstice. Solstice died, it came back to me. I passed it to Kita. 3. I can't prove im not 3p. Sry 4. good | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:37 gonzaw wrote: I'd wait for kita to state if what sk8 said about the Tardis is true If he does, then I think it'd be better for kita to give it to someone else. Then that someone else gives it to someone else, THEN that someone else gives it back to that person. If the Tardis can swap hands in phases and not cycles, by N3 those 2 can be confirmed scum or at least one is town. That can REALLY work only if we do it with 2 guys that are scum, so they are indeed confirmed scum once they can't pass it to each other. Sadly that means we can't lynch those until N3 (when we could lynch on today and one D3) If we do it with 2 other guys, then if it works it confirms that both can't be scum together, but one of them can still be scum, so it's not much help either (for instance, if Xatalos and Dandel keep passing it to each other, how do we know if 1 of them is scum or both are town?) So, I think the best is....do whatever the hell you want with it. Nobody has said the "additional" powers the Tardis has yet, maybe that should be the decisive aspect to choose who to give it to. Also, Tardis has to be used before being passed. If used by mafia twice, it is randomly sent to some1. If someone dies while carry tardis, it is randomly sent to som1. Ur welcome. I'm kind of not sober. gnite. | ||
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i.e. When activatd 1 visted u, they are MAFIA 2 visted u, they are town so basically u could confirm players that visitedd u BUT u dont know who visited u and then become jesters. I guess it got nerfed though since apparently u say it blos. I thot it was pretty balanced ![]() | ||
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##Lovetap Kitaman27 ##Lovetap Crossfire ##Lovetap Dandel Ion now im actually going | ||
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On June 26 2013 21:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He said Tardis had to be used before it could be passed. Sk8 said he passed it to solstice, and Kita. Kita said it has a night action associated with the passing. If it can only be passed at night then how the fuck did sk8 pass it twice? -_- Why are you mad over this. Check your blood pressure BC i worry about you. ##Lovetap BC Use Tardis @ day -> Pass Tardis to Sol Sol die -> Tardis randomly distributed to player Get Tardis back -> OMG WUT LUCK, Use Tardis at night -> Pass to Kita I never said it can only be passed at night. Stop manipulating my words. | ||
xxSK8rGUy277xx
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
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On July 04 2013 11:17 gonzaw wrote: ... why why would someone do that why please tell me my bad thats what i thought i wrote. | ||
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