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On June 26 2013 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote: You know kita also tried too hard to be funny look where that got him True. But it made me smile, and I tend to be more involved if I can enjoy the game. Falling behind here didn't generate the enjoyment. Therefore, I'm afraid I need to give you the ex-lax. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote: Knowing that he didn't know he was a vet makes him look slightly better. Didn't understand him not revealing that. Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc? ... I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). But his response to pressure today doesn't ring true to me. He had the big posts during the night with the pictures, GIMME THE TARDIS GIMME GIMME. And apparently he got it. But he didn't claim at that point, the point at which, according to him, he became a pure survivor (having satisfied the other bit of his win-con). He waits, because: On June 26 2013 02:47 kitaman27 wrote: (1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-yWasn't going to claim until N2 to inform the mafia team not to night hit me, but then I got a bit too trolly so I figured I'd be better off claiming now. (2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me." (3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. They read as an attempt to cover snb, which doesn't fit with kita being a lone survivor. This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position. Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote: meh I wanna do shit ##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo. This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff. English good. What did you do? Gonzaw, I forget where the comment was exactly, I think BC wrote it, but kurumi very unlikely for ANY scum. I actually trust him more than you and maybe BC at this point to just be pure town. Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT. If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy. Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: You're trying to avoid what I'm saying, although geript may be making that a non-issueShow me a respected player that disagrees with my assessment that scummy players should be vig shot. Cmon now, you're just terrible. I don't disagree that "scummy players should be vig shot." I disagree with your comment that NULL players SHOULDN'T be shot, that we should be shooting at a list of scummy dudes over pure ?s. More specifically, I disagree with how strongly you reacted, like this was the most nonsensical thing in the world to shoot null players, and should never ever be considered. I swear there's another Ace post in a guide, and a couple in postgames, about blowing away null players, but this was the closest I could find on short notice - + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 11:11 Ace wrote: Not the clear statement or the guide that I was remembering, but this is from Ace's Magical Vigi/Cop Guide. Liars > Nonsense > lurkers. Lying and nonsense are scummy, but there's no general "scummy" there, still...this is NOT clearly against your comment. This isn't hard. In fact a lot of this comes down to either A.) common sense or B.) reading. I guarantee you if you follow these guidelines you will bump the town's chances of winning up considerably. Vigilante Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first. There are very few instances where lying benefits the town. Even then it usually ends up benefiting the Mafia much more. When players sign up for a game in which they know multiple people playing aren't stupid enough to let all their lies go unpunished they have to step their game up considerably. Look at all the terrible games that are littered around this forum. You want to know a recurring theme? Townies lying trying to make a hero play, and then Scum lying since that is now the temporary "way to look town". Shoot before it hits LYLO with 3 people that have roles that can't be confirmed. In fact shoot them because when a player lies about being a Cop and the real Cop gets night killed or lynched the game is essentially over. DONT LET IT GET TO THIS POINT. EVER. Nothing sucks more than an end game scenario with tons of WIFOM. Priority 1: Shoot people that are talking nonsense. Activity doesn't make someone pro-town. You shoot people that are saying one thing but doing another. This goes especially for people using meta arguments that do things scummy regardless of alignment. Shoot them Night 1 if the rules allow it. Along with this shoot players that will help untie clashing role claims, or clashing scenarios. If you're in a situation where the death of one player confirms something about another, shoot. Most players are braindead anyway and this is one of the few times where it helps to take matters into your own hands. Priority 2: Shoot lurkers This is almost a priority 0 but people that play Scummy are always best shot first. However, shooting lurkers establishes an awesome town meta. If people know other players won't stand for their inactivity, and the threat of a modkill leads to a ban they wont sign up. Likewise like I said in countless mafia games in the past: people that are defending themselves are much more likely to be valuable than people that don't. So shoot the people that lurk when called out all the time, and shoot the people that won't contribute after repeated prodding. They are USELESS to the town - kill them before it hits LYLO. You'll be sorry if it does. Again, not what I'm remembering - + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2011 06:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Inactivity / Stupidity I am lumping this issue together as the response from town should be very similar. If someone is inactive it lets mafia hide there if so desired, which happens in most games. Stupidity allows mafia to hide in the background and “appear” active from time to time while hiding behind this person or people. IF people are routinely inactive, or exceptionally spammy/stupid. Town is not wasting lynches if they lynch them, nor are vigilante’s wasting hits on them. These are players that hurt the town as much if not worse than mafia. *note – By stupid I mean people who are consistently pushing bad lynches, or spamming away decent posts. It does not matter if everyone recognizes they are town, if they are still being a negative force, or bulldogging bad views they should be ignored or removed. Town needs a clear head to play, discussion is good if its productive, if its not it only wastes daytime. Routinely inactive people hurt town as much if not worse than mafia. Not wasting vigi hits on them. Ta da! So again, either I'm making up the statements I remember or I can't find them, but these are ... heading in that direction? Blech. Does nobody else remember these comments? Maybe an ace postgame? On June 26 2013 06:11 gonzaw wrote: All austins of all alignments would generally be coming up with conspiracy theories about every possibility. I usually can't help it, and as scum the conspiracy theories let me muck up the thread while looking like I'm doing something AND looking like town me.Hmm austin, one thing that kind of bothers me is how convinced you are his claim is bogus and he's scum Town-austin would be coming out with conspiracy theories about every possibility, and determine if he's lying or not, ask him questions, then post a huge post with a theory, etc. You just seem to instantly figure out kita is fake-claiming as scum and manage to come up with all that shit? Seems a little bit like confirmation bias, you said "okay, kita is scum let's see what I can write about him if I assume he's scum and fake-claiming". Like, I thought the Tardis thing was weird, but: 1)If he's scum, would he do some stuff like that? Get the Tardis but keep it and not claiming shit? Or did he plan on fake-claiming survivor as scum all along? If so, wouldn't that hurt his scumteam? Instead of trying to blend in he just fake-claims 3P and hopes town doesn't kill him? For that Tardis thing to make sense scum kita should have planned fake-claiming 3P since BEFORE N1 ENDED, not just make it a half-assed claim after getting lots of votes (if that was the case, wtf was the Tardis thing about?) 3)If he's scum, then the Tardis thing would be something related to the PTP role he got right? So wouldn't his role creator just claim "hey, Tardis is super powerful and kita didn't claim he had it and bla bla bla"? 4)What about the breadcrumb? I don't remember scum fake-claiming 3P survivor and BREADCRUMBING it on their first post (like, did even iGrok do that shit with the original Balrog claim? After his claim I started thinking about all this shit to see if his claim is legit or not...why didn't you austin? + Show Spoiler + To the first question, he didn't claim/fakeclaim until he got pressured. He could no longer blend in. Announcing the TARDIS stuff was odd, yeah, so I dunno. I don't have anything about TARDIS in my PM. I don't entirely know what it does, whether someone created it as part of a role, etc. It sounds like multiple people have references to it in their roles. If you want conspiracy theory stuff, it's possible that it supercharges some roles, or grants them bonuses, in ways that are worth sticking one's neck out for. Scum kita still wouldn't claim "I'm 3P survivor and I need the TARDIS" on N1. That's a giant red flag imo, DON'T GIVE THIS GUY THE TARDIS, because he wants it bad AND is willing to say "I'm not town" in order to get it. The benefit to town of giving a 3P the tardis (zero) is less than the risk to town of giving someone anti-town the tardis (BAD FO TOWN). To the third, I dunno. I know jack all about the TARDIS except apparently it gets passed and it does stuff, including either medicing or bus driving someone? To the fourth, breadcrumb schmeadcrumb. I know people don't play optimally and crumb all sorts of crap when they're anti-town, but it's so easy that I don't really put stock in them. | ||
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***SHOT WENT OFF WHILE WRITING, I GUESS IGNORE IF THAT WAS JUST THE SHOT?*** (2) I don't like this whole TARDIS bit. Without going into length, there are 18,000 things wrong with these claims. For one, this bit: On June 26 2013 11:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: So awkward, how did Kita know i started with the Tardis >_>. It's not even that good just saying. You have to give up a night of your actual role to use it, I got lucky that I used my role during day and then TARDis'd at night. On June 26 2013 22:12 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Use Tardis @ day -> Pass Tardis to Sol Sol die -> Tardis randomly distributed to player Get Tardis back -> OMG WUT LUCK, Use Tardis at night -> Pass to Kita I never said it can only be passed at night. Stop manipulating my words. Among all the other stuff is why s0Lstice? On June 24 2013 02:29 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: About Sol, I have good reason to believe he is town atm. I will post my read on him tomorrow. Last post for the day. On June 24 2013 05:43 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I can prove solstice is town tomorrow depending on how the night goes. I will not be on the lynch train against him. Never explained. Perhaps this is "I passed solstice the TARDIS and he didn't say anything." If that's the case, ... why did he pass the TARDIS to solstice in the first place?
Plus, I know there was a post where he said he was also activiting his magical survival power on N1, after using it D1. According to him, the TARDIS use cost him his night power, so...he both couldn't have used the TARDIS N1 and, based on the "you use and then you pass" thing, couldn't have passed N1? I'm really confused by this. skater, why solstice? | ||
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On June 27 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote: For everyone who wants to lynch Sk8r, I still find it fairly unlikly that he is scum, but I probably can't trust my reads even more so than usual in a game like this. Random thoughts: if kita is telling the truth we can't afford to kill him since our numbers have dwindled heavily. Gonzaw use your shot; hopefully some of this clusterfuck will be cleared up and hopefully you won't hit BC. Did you get a PM from my role last night? I used you as one of my peeps, but I included an alternate target if stumpWoS wasn't a valid target. | ||
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On June 27 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Xatalos was my alternate for you. I needed 4 targets, 2 for the role question and 2 for the person question.I did not. I guess I'm not a valid target for role abilities anymore which kinda makes me sad. Who was your alternate target, since you didn't have a problem telling the thread I was your primary? Figured I'd use you though, to see what exactly is up with your new gig. If Xatalos received a PM, then you can't be targeted by actions. Which I assume means you're really dead and really can't vote, and this isn't anything shenaniganilicious. | ||
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Is this a TARDIS thing? | ||
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Does anyone who isn't kita or skater have a mention of the TARDIS in their role PMs? Anything positive about it? So far, solstice apparently got the TARDIS and is now dead, never having been able to confirm. Kita apparently has it now, was supposed to die, and now dandel is dead. Anyone trustworthy know anything about what TARDIS does? | ||
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On June 27 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote: Quick version, trying to finish some work.Also austin tell me what you are doing with that "poll" stuff, I already forgot what you were going on about it (1) During Day phase, I send 4 PMs to people of my choosing
(3) During the first half of night, I take 1 of the chosen roles and give it to 1 of the chosen people. That person is PMed, in the case of SOME roles (medic/vigi/rb apparently) that they now have a one-shot role for that night. | ||
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Just choose defensive crap or vigi, people pickers choose people, and I'll stick em together tonight or you can direct if you don't trust. Choosing medic or vigi should verify that this is actually what I'm doing, since vet does NOT notify the person that they have been veteraned for the night. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:01 gonzaw wrote: I didn't write anything for if I die, so I'm unsure. I assume it goes through because I actually have to assign early in the night, so that the other person has time to act. So mine should go through, and then if THEY die they can't act, but they can verify they got a PM earlier in the night maybe? WHat happens if you die? If you don't die (somehow), then this is how it goes: I choose myself The other PM guy chooses BC You choose medic, and WIFOM between the 2 of us. The one that gets that role, medics the other. So if you choose me+medic, I'll protect BC If you choose BC+medic, BC will protect me If you are scum it won't really matter because you'll either die to today's lynch or just kill the guy you didn't choose, but maybe you are town (somehow) or even if you are scum maybe you WIFOM and not kill the unprotected dude. Or you could choose Vet as well, works either way (scum have 1 KP (hopefully), and 1 random out of me+BC will be protected 100%, they have to either gamble or play it safe and let us both live) If nothing else, you can choose medic, WIFOM between you guys, and then right before deadline announce that you were actually medic for the night, in case of shotses. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:06 gonzaw wrote: Maybe you want....like...answer the shit I said about you as well? You know....like you should have done by now? Yes yes, I know, I'm crazy, but just bear with me here! Which stuff specifically? I know I've spoken to some things, but not all. Reads on people I was scummy on? Also, NO BEARS. | ||
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If you want to grill me about crap, you're more than welcome to in a moment and I can give quicker answers. If not, I'm gonna go back and look at D1 voting/timing of the solstice shot more. We haven't done enough of that besides people noting that I didn't get lynched and so everyone who didn't lynch is mafia because I've got to be mafia. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: If this is true then skater could not have passed the TARDIS to solstice during D1?You pass it when you use it and the new person receives it at the beginning of the next phase (eg. use it during the day, someone gets it at night), and then can be used immediately, so if Kita used the TARDIS which he had to have to not be dead right now, someone is getting the TARDIS at night tonight. This whole passing thing is what changed, so that's why I was confused. | ||
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Gonzaw, Kurumi Based on the inventor stuff + Show Spoiler + Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT. If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy. Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum. Also, the thing that worried me MOST about kurumi's filter was that weird bit saying acro had gone to bed, when that wasn't in thread. Acro flipped town, so it's not like he posted in scum QT that he was going to sleep and Kurumi slipped. I'd like to see more kurumi, generally enjoy trying to decipher his posts, but the role usage catapulted him to the top of my townreads. Even more so now that he apparently passed out another invention. Xfire Well, I had written that there wasn't anything that had happened with him really, and now there is. I still maintain that his original defense of skater wasn't solid. I don't like ANY of this "I created x's role, and I see how x used it, therefore he's more likely town/scum" stuff, because in most cases that says nothing. Unless everyone knows how the role actually works, post-any-changes, and unless the role creator is super mega townie, saying you know someone's role and they're using it in a townie way is (a) not at all helpful and (b) not convincing if their PLAY itself isn't in town's favor. If what you're contributing is information that is subjective AND can't be verified, you're not actually giving us anything. But as of now, there's more to go off of, or...there will be shortly. Need to see how stuff about his role/skater plays out. Zephir stuff is more roomy, need to move to a separate post. | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Cuz I'm busy looking at Zephir and meapak, and still don't trust kita either.Austin and Xfire. Why are you not voting Sk8? Moving the vote to consolidate now. | ||
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Kurumi please choose MEDIC. WoS or Xatalos please choose VIGILANTE. BC please choose BC Gonzaw please choose GONZAW. That way, I can assign either medic or vigilante to one of you two tonight. No overlap, maximum options. Depending on what comes out of all this, having both a defensive and offensive role seems best. | ||
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