EPTOn July 02 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Weeping Angels are completely pro-town.
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Weeping Angels are completely pro-town.
Not in Doctor Who Mafia lol. Dec and Sent know all about that.
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Not in Doctor Who Mafia lol. Dec and Sent know all about that. | ||
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On July 02 2013 12:15 kitaman27 wrote: I sent a pm to deconduo asking if my role informs him about the lover aspect when he is masoned. I 100% never mentioned the lover part of my role to him. If you are seriously getting stuck on a single detail like this, then I'm pretty much lost for words. The fact that you can possibly think that I am mafia blows my mind. You do realize that if austin and I are scum buddies that the chat logs he just posted would be fake. So I decided to incriminate myself in my own set of fake logs? That is seriously beyond belief. I know. Me being hung up on scum knowing something they couldn't have possibly known about unless you're scum isn't important at all... | ||
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On July 02 2013 12:29 gonzaw wrote: Well, remember we have less than 24 hours (and I'll be home for just the last 3 hours before deadline or so). We need to figure this shit out fast if we won't both be active at the same time. I'll be here at least a few hours before the deadline. If not I'll have a post saying what I'm doing and will change my vote if i am doing so. I plan to spend so time reading now, but I'll be here for questions and stuff. | ||
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First, austin is 100% scum, kita 100% 3rd party. The important part is what type of 3rd party, though. 2 options: survivor and SK (obviously excluding assassins and other 3rd party roles because we know that the 3rd party in this game has to survive until endgame) What makes these roles different besides their abilities? Mentality. Survivor just wants to win with whatever side he can. He doesn't care whether it is town or scum. This manifests by blending in during the beginning of the game when he is unsure about who is going to win, but then becoming more aligned with whatever side he thinks is winning later in the game. SK is similar but different. He needs to be the only survivor at the end and kill everyone. This means that he usually has some form of KP to help accomplish this. His mentality is similar to a survivor in that he wants to blend in early game when he is unsure about who is going to win, but is different in that once he sees one side starting to win, he wants to play against that side to keep the game close so he has an easier chance to achieve his win condition. What fits kita's actions most this game? I argue SK. He knew who was scum pretty early in this game and he has quoted the numerous posts where he was suspicious of austin and geript. What doesn't make sense is this. Meapak dies and pretty much confirms austin as scum for kita. Kita claims survivor because he got too trolly and obvious. Important note here is that he is spamming up the thread with nonsense and playing antitown even though he now knows who scum are and has KP that can deal with them. He know geript and austin are scum. Geript challenges him to mortal combat but kita has the TARDIS and can do whatever he wants with it. He could have used the TARDIS to hit austin because he knows geript's ability only protects at night. This would prove that he's 3rd party working with town by killing scum. Instead of this, he kills Dandel and tries to lynch sk8r instead of austin. (Even if he thinks sk8r is scum, he is more sure of austin at this point and has been pushing him previously.) This is actively working against town. Day 3 comes along and he attempts to work with mafia!? Why if he is just a survivor does he need to work with mafia? He can just dayvig austin thus proving he is 3rd party working with town. Geript then gets lynched and worst case scenario is that scum down to 1 member. Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. But no, Kita shoots Dandel again because Dandel wants Kita dead and has been pushing it relentlessly. I think that pretty much sums up why I think Kita is a SK, not a survivor. | ||
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On July 02 2013 21:55 kitaman27 wrote: Well first off, I confirmed that geript learned about my lover role through the mason pm. Why I am not and cannot be a Serial Killer 1) The wording of the win conditions: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. The mafia team wins when all Town forces are dead. If you need to, confirm with the hosts that this is not a typo because this is really important. By definition, Serial Killers win when they are the only player remaining in the game. Suppose it is 2 mafia, 1 town, and 1 serial killer. Everyone lynches the town player and it is 2 mafia, 1 serial killer. There are no town remaining so the game ends in a mafia victory. This is a 100% conflict with the Serial Killer win condition of being the sole survivor. As I said earlier, I am a survivor who must feed to the TARDIS to achieve my win condition. I am not anti-town because I can win with either faction as long as I'm alive and have met my win condition. 2) I have no factional KP and I have no bulletproof vest. Serial killers always have factional kp. Yes, I have my role, but the mafia team still has their roles plus they get their factional kp on top of that. A bullet every other day is hardly enough. Roles can be roleblocked, while factional kp cannot, meaning that in a 1v1 situation with a roleblocker, a serial killer wouldn't even be able to win. Furthermore, I have no protection role, outside of the D2 TARDIS that I had to out myself as survivor to receive. The moment I'm hit with a town or mafia kp I lose the game. Suppose a serial killer were to shoot mafia early in the game. Are they supposed to just ask nicely that the mafia team does not shoot them in return? Suppose I was hit by that random vig from gonzaw...well serial killer, you played a perfect game, but unfortunately you got randomly hit and lose. Sorry! Without a factional kp and a bulletproof vest, a serial killer would have next to no chance of winning this game. 3) My role had a lover aspect. " If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides." The win condition of a Serial Killer is to be the sole remaining player. If the lover part of my role were to ever go into effect, I would suicide upon their death. That means that it would be impossible to win the game. As a survivor, my lover can still be around as long as the other faction is eliminated. While I technically could be a serial killer that has a lover role, but is forced not to ever have it activated if I want to win, that would be incredibly lame. 4) I claimed third party survivor in my first post, night one, and day two. I claimed third party from the start of the game and pointed out my breadcrumb after requesting the TARDIS. A serial killer operates from the shadows and wants to keep his identity hidden for as long as possible. Suppose we lynched austin D2, rather than Sk8r. The mafia team is eliminated and who do you think the town is going to go after next? Obviously the claimed third party player. There was no reason for me to claim for the TARDIS as a serial killer, but it would be completely reasonable for the Survivor who needs to feed on the TARDIS to claim for the TARDIS. Now put yourself in my shoes. Geript tries to kill me, I bus the shot to austin instead. I've shared my suspicion of geript, austin, and Meapak. The mafia have a strong suspicoin that I have a day vig as well. Guess who is getting shot at night? That would be survivor suicide and make it essentially impossible to to ever win with mafia. I suppose I could have asked for protection from a potential town role, but what townie is going to protect the claimed third party over someone like BC, gonzaw, or kurumi the inventor. Like I explained before, mafia almost certainly had the TARDIS. geript had his protection ability so austin would be the only player that makes sense as being protected. I shoot austin, nothing happens, geript gets lynched, I get lynched the next cycle and austin wins. I don't understand why this doesn't point to survivor. This points 100% to survivor. What more does a survivor want than to never be night killed and never be lynched? It means he wins. I killed Dandel because he was a threat to myself. What survivor wants to keep around a player that wants to kill him? 1. I'll ask the hosts about this. 2. Serial Killers don't always have factional KP. iGrok made a 1-shot bulletproof SK. I don't know if you're bulletproof or not. Maybe getting the TARDIS made you a vet because you fed on its energy. Plus isn't a dayvig every other day good enough? Dayvigs can rarely be protected against making it stronger than a night shot. 3. You have a dayvig to kill your partner off. You also don't have to use your mason abilities. 4. You breadcrumb survivor in case you ever need to claim something. You ask for the TARDIS because it powers you up in some way. So scum shoot a "survivor" because they think you are "confirmed." That makes no sense. If you are a survivor, they should want to keep you alive because you can still win with them. You don't have to shoot anyone if you are truly a survivor you know. I worded this bad Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. I should have said Kita could then skate along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. You didn't do that because you actively worked against town. | ||
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Alignments: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. The things to notice about the win conditions are:
What all of this says to me is that there are 2 options for 3rd party this game:
I've already described your play this game. It doesn't match up with a neutral survivor mentality. What it does match up with is an anti-town survivor that can win with mafia. For all I know you could be a "traitor" in the sense that you work with mafia and can't communicate, but you can actually win by yourself if all mafia are dead and you eliminate town. It would make sense for you to be a pro-mafia 3rd party and use your mason to communicate with scum like you did. You readily admitted that you were trying to win with scum and become lovers with geript. | ||
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I asked about the win conditions and they are worded that way for a reason. An anti-town 3rd party role is possible. Yeah sure an anti-town survivor is weird and I haven't really heard of it before, but anything is possible. You bring up no factional kp, but you do have "factional" kp. You are an every other day anonymous day vig. That is definitely better than a night kp of the same frequency. You mention you aren't bulletproof or anything of that nature and I believe you about that before you had the TARDIS, but after you gained possession of the TARDIS, it was drained. To me this means you did something to it. For all I know you are now bulletproof or a vet or something. (By "traitor" I meant working with mafia, but has to survive to win.) I think I'll just wait till gonzaw comes back and see what he thinks about this. | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:50 gonzaw wrote: The fact he shot solstice as soon as he claimed Doctor (or WOS claimed for him) which almost single-handily fucked scum, instead of like shooting me or BC or Acro, shows that he's not bullshitting with the TARDIS claim. If he was traitor, fucking shoot me and let the lynch on solstice go through If he was SK....then again shoot me or Acro, let town go crazy and shit, maybe misslynch more dudes, etc. Instead he shot A GUY THAT WAS GETTING LYNCHED That proves to me he is not SK. Hell that could prove to me he's not traitor, since he wouldn't know the scumteam's plans by then (if he did he wouldn't have shot solstice to out the whole scumteam, scum would tell him "ehmm dude, why don't you shoot gonzaw or Acro or Xata and leave this D1 misslynch be, okay? Don't wanna get austin lynched". I mean, unless the TARDIS is a super powerful shit that gives him 100 KP and makes him bulletproof or some shit I doubt kita would do that (if he DOESNT win with town). And if it does....then where is his 100 KP and bulletproof and shit? Gonzaw, I don't think he is a SK. I think he is an anti-town 3rd party. There is also something in role pm mentioning the TARDIS. I agree that's why he shot Solstice. But I disagree saying why would he do that if it hurt mafia. It is day 1, he doesn't know who scum were day 1. In fact he figured it out because of what he did with his shot. Look at what he did from Day 2 on and tell me how that comes from a neutral survivor and not scum-aligned survivor. | ||
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