EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 11
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The facts that: (1) the OP is written as it is, and (2) 3Ps can be town/anti-town, mean that he's some kind of variation, or just a 3P role they created. | ||
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Why does he not post his logs with geript and shoot me on D3 if just a survivor? | ||
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I don't know why he did what he did from those viewpoints. But based on the OP and the fact that 3Ps can be town/anti-town, I don't think he IS either of those. Again, it wouldn't be written like that, and 3Ps couldn't be town/anti-town, if he were just neutral. You're starting from a false premise, imo, that he's actually one of those two specific roles. | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:54 gonzaw wrote: No.If the OP said "Alliance wins when Church die" and "Church wins when Alliance dies" then whoever claims 3P is "confirmed survivor" for all game long. That makes the survivor the easiest role every in this game. Just claim survivor, and do nothing. Nobody will kill you because it is confirmed in the OP that said guy wins with them. in ANY game where you're a survivor and the OP says "town wins when they eliminate all mafia or nothing can stop that" and "mafia wins when they eliminate all town or nothing can stop that", you can just claim survivor right as the game starts. The protection from that is that there's no guarantee you're a survivor. You have to work to get people to trust your claim and not try to pick you off. | ||
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Maybe you change the OP, sure. Or maybe you just don't include a shitty role in the game, and you include a different role instead. Again, you're working from "Kita is a survivor, survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, so the hosts made the OP way number 2 so it's not as shitty a role." But you're discarding "Survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, but instead of altering the OP to make survivor less shitty, the hosts just didn't make a survivor and made a different role instead." | ||
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The wording would be irrelevant if it said "Town wins when all mafia die." Who cares what kita is, you guys win when I die. But the wording says "Town wins when all anti-town dies." That's relevant, because of what's NOT in the OP but what you can confirm if you ask - 3P can be town/anti-town. You think it's worded like that to be confusing, to hide a survivor. But that's not the only option, nor do I think that's the likely option. You would word the OP like that if you had a town/anti-town 3P. | ||
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But it's not PROOF that he's a survivor either, which is how he was trying to spin it earlier, and you seem to be taking it now. But it does open up the POSSIBILITY that he's anti-town 3P. That's a reason that you would write the OP like that, so you could have factional 3Ps. And that's a role that makes sense with his actions on D3 and beyond. That's a role/alignment that makes MORE SENSE with his actions than survivor, imo. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:15 gonzaw wrote: I, for one, didn't realize that he had the chance of being anti-town 3P before I asked yesterday morning. Did you actually consider that beforehand? He said all 3Ps were survivors, and I just trusted that without thinking about it.It's proof that your whole "epiphany" is based on a false premise. I fail to see how the rest of the stuff you mentioned after that (with the exception of him claiming traitor to you I guess) is justified at all based on that. He had chances of being anti-town 3P before you made your "case"; and he does have chances of being anti-town 3P now yes But you making that "case" makes no difference because that premise ("kita is anti-town 3P because of the wording of the OP") is false All the rest of the stuff is half me blabbering on, but somewhat relevant. He's lied about a couple weird things - claiming traitor to us, lying about the shot on DI being his last shot to geript (you're correct, I kept saying three shots but it would have been his second). There's some minor consideration, imo, to be given to his role him and his role's place in the mythology of the show. I don't see a situation in which the character that is chosen to be a neutral survivor is one of the major baddies from the show. You may see things differently, I dunno. More importantly is just his actual actions. He was sure I was scum, geript had a check on him, and yet he played out D3 in the most anti-town and pro-scum way possible, pretty much. That doesn't make sense if he's pro-town or can win with town. I said way way way too much stuff, as I often do when let loose with possibilities like this. But there is information in all the crap I've posted that does, imo, point towards him being anti-town - his actions and the role name probably most of all. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:23 kitaman27 wrote: (we still have no idea what happened to BC's shot refunded shot). 120 Geript 06-27-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) yes and yes 119 austinmcc 06-27-2013 07:16 PM ET (US) Did he kill solstice or rb BC D1? We still don't actually know what either of those things was. There's a chance BC is actually some kind of 3P or...something. I dunno. Dis game. I asked geript about the RB on BC, and whether you were responsible. He said you were. Note that I posted these logs yesterday, when the rb on BC wasn't even mentioned. If I'm the one altering logs, then I had to realize YESTERDAY that the roleblock might come up, and alter logs before it was ever mentioned just to have them in the future. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:30 gonzaw wrote: Didn't Kurumi claim the RB on BC or something? Anyways that makes no sense since Zepphird didn't say anything about the role he created having a day-RB. Maybe hosts derped again and made it so the TARDIS refunds bullets without telling anybody else about it No, I asked about that. Kurumi claimed an action on BC, turned out to be the invention-giving and not rb. He explicitly said he wasn't the roleblocker. On July 03 2013 04:31 kitaman27 wrote: As far as me being the dastardly roleblocker - roleblock is one of the options in my nightly survey. I didn't create a role that roleblocks AND can double roleblock. Nor does it matter that we haven't seen a flipped roleblocker, because it's a PTP game...we haven't seen a flipped watcher, tracker, framer, doesn't mean they exist.You would know the roleblock might come up if you were the roleblocker. Is now a good time to point out that the mafia doesn't have a flipped roleblocker in a setup with all blues? Moreover, you're suggesting that I, as mafia, roleblocked a townie one-shot day vig using his day vig on a ... townie? Why would I do that? I get a dead townie AND I get rid of a town vig shot. Also, if I altered my logs, why did I wait until 1:30 before lynch and at the moment someone else mentioned the rb to point that out? You don't think I might have wanted to do so sooner? I didn't notice it until you mentioned that, then it clicked. | ||
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I assume that Zephir would have mentioned kita having an RB. But zephir didn't write kita's full role, because stuff like draining the TARDIS wasn't a Zephir-thing. One thought is that, if kita has to get the TARDIS, kita can tell where it is at all times. He can't directly grab it from someone, but he can track it? He sees that sk8r starts with the TARDIS, protects sk8r, but sk8r sends the TARDIS to solstice. Kills solstice, realizing that keeping it in someone's hands does him no good, or thinking that solstice may not cooperate with the "HEY GUYS GIMME THE TARDIS" plan. However, that still doesn't explain the rb. Maybe he just gets one? Strange, so I dunno. All I know is I didn't rb bc, and based on what geript told me, kita altered his logs. | ||
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I think we're both a little at fault here for not knowing exactly what happened. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:04 gonzaw wrote: ...I thought we'd lost this game a long time ago, and it's been dragging on towards a barely even possible win since like...D2.I think the fact I don't want this game to go for 72 more hours may have a slight (slight mind you) influence in me wanting to lynch austin I've got some family stuff that requires traveling and me being gone for part of this evening, but I'm more than happy to shorten cycles and get my choice in quickly. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:18 gonzaw wrote: So if austin is telling the truth about his role we win 100%? I find this hard to believe lol Don't do this to me. I spent hours trying to figure out who to shoot last night. Now I'm gonna have to try and figure out this nonsense. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote: This NRA stuff was NOT COOL. NOT COOL. I was actually really worried about getting bussed into you last night, because I thought you had bus AND NRA.Do you know what I really wished I had done? 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, I changed my austin role vote to myself. I don't know if you would have done it or not, but if I correctly understood austin's role (lol), I would have pushed hard for you to choose me as well. You can see where I would have gone with this lol. Austin was obsessing over it last night. He would have been forced to give me a role when I was the PGO/NRA member lol. And then this day never would have happened... | ||
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