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On July 02 2013 04:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:10 austinmcc wrote:
I mean, I do. I spent part of last night thinking up dumb claims. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 04:03 austinmcc wrote:So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it.
Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose. He doesn't in that convo he posted. Geript, in our QT, said kita had claimed mafia traitor. That's one of the things I'm saying doesn't add up. Either I'm doctoring QT posts or he is. We both have reason to, but I know that I'm not and come endgame you'll know that I'm not, you can read scum QT (not that it does you any good today). lolol I doctored the QT posts, but you decided to wait 24 hours and not point that out until after you accidentally claimed mafia? Lynch this lair -_- Furthermore, if you thought I was a mafia traitor, you would be perfectly fine with being lynched because I would win the game for you. The problem is, you know that I'm not a traitor, you know that I'm a survivor, and you know you lose after being lynched. Sigh.
We should really just wait for crossfire.
I decided to go to sleep after being super frustrated at claiming mafia. Notice how I stop posting in the evening for eastern US? Then I decided to post this morning, after checking about 3Ps. Notice how I started posting in the morning for eastern US? Frankly, none of my issues mattered until I learned that "all 3Ps are just survivors" is BS and they can alive alignments, which I didn't learn til this morning.
If I thought you were actually a mafia traitor, then of course I'd be fine with getting lynched. But you didn't get added to QT, we never got any message about recruiting a traitor, so we didn't believe your claim. Nor do I right now.
Same thing as I've said to Gonzaw and keep repeating cuz I keep posting. I don't know what you are. But I don't like it. I just know that you're not church and that I don't trust your only-survivor claim.
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On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
i'll post the simplest explanation here that we have to discuss. There are basically 3 options:
1. Kita is a survivor. He doesn't care who wins as long as he survives until endgame and secures his victory condition which in this case is feeding on the TARDIS.
2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game.
3. Kita is mafia or a traitor. He wins with mafia.
I know which option seems more likely. I'll be back later to reread stuff. I'm back now. On and off throughout night.
I think Gonzaw's breakdown is better, just cuz it's more general. Although now this 3rd alternative was presented yes (1- kita scum, 2-kita townie survivor, 3-kita antitown 3P) I honestly don't know what kita's role is, or what it might translate to in a strictly normal game (survivor and SK being...roles with understood powers, win cons, etc.).
But yeah, there are options.
On July 02 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game. I cannot be a Serial Killer. A serial killer cannot win with mafia, yet the mafia win condition is to kill all town. This option is impossible. This is a really black-and-white statement, unsure if it's true. Alliance win-con: kill all anti-town. Church win-con: kill all town. They sound super janky, but you could be a "town-aligned killer" or "anti-town-aligned killer," sort of halfway between SK and survivor (eliminate all of one faction, survive til then). Those sound WEIRD, yes. And yes, I posted a bunch of stuff today, some of which is "This is wrong for survivor," in which case it would be wrong for some of these cases and would make sense in some of these.
Again, I don't think we can 100% transpose the set of rules an SK would follow in a normal game to this one, but a normal SK could not exist in this game, that's true. Either all town or all scum would be eliminated before the SK was the only person alive (him +1 townie or +1 mafia), barring a simultaneous multi-kill. Therefore, he could HAVE that win-con, but it would suck dicks and he could never really achieve it. Unaligned SK almost certainly not an option then.
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I keep spouting off versions of "I don't know what kita is."
But I'm here.
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It IS a bit odd. Kill this dude cuz he's not mafia. Also, he's totally lying when he said he was a traitor, and you should kill him because he lied, not because he's a traitor.
I can go back to the bears stuff, but I figure you're more likely to choose based on his alignment and not bears.
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You have to think like a brit. Then it ... maybe makes sense. If you guys had marv or...other british people(?) then you'd have won days ago.
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I dunno what to tell you. I don't gots.
Here's relevant chat starting with D3. BC had just checked geript.
Heck, even if i DID gots, I dunno that it's functional (but again, don't gots)
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
04:55 PM ET (US)
I don't know that I am though.
How am I exposed? I acutally think BC isn't lying when he says cross or gonzaw might be scum. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-29-2013
04:51 PM ET (US)
Just trust me best option.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-29-2013
04:51 PM ET (US)
We're dead either way if you don't. You're already exposed.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
04:45 PM ET (US)
There's too much crap to risk unvote imo. Whatever crossfire does, gonzaw's crap, like...there's a LOT of unknown.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
04:39 PM ET (US)
YOYO. Were you forced to vote for kita or die? Did you get that PM?
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
04:34 PM ET (US)
Ugh. I don't like this at all.
e: With him popping his head in over and over, asking if he needs to vote, i DO believe him. Stump roles not all that common on TL, I could see them giving him a last hurrah.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-29-2013
04:33 PM ET (US)
No he can't. At least don't believe him. Just switch got at last second.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
04:26 PM ET (US)
Also, WoS can unstump and vote apparently, making it 4-3 and we'll all be in open
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
04:26 PM ET (US)
I don't know that we are though.
Ask if you have to vote for kitaman.
If xatalos's power is real, then ... we can't be 3-3 can we?
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-29-2013
04:25 PM ET (US)
We are 3-3 and kill town tonight.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-29-2013
04:24 PM ET (US)
Go vote for not BC, not Gonzaw not Kita.
Deny the lynch.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
02:41 PM ET (US)
Or does kita not have to kill mason buddy? Can kita still you? AAAHHHHHHHH. We've either won or lost or something but I can't tell.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
02:34 PM ET (US)
Did kita have the tardis today and use it? Or...how else does DI die?
Okay, trying to math it up. If we lynch kitaman and get a kill tonight, we're good.
If we lynch you, then kitaman probably kills me tomorrow and town wins. No reason for them not to. There's a chance we get one cycle with town killing crossfire, if BC checks me, but unsure.
If we no lynch, it's...unclear what happens.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
01:59 PM ET (US)
Ugh, do we go for this? We could 3-3 it up, but probably better to kill kita, and then kill a townie overnight, yeah?
Whatever WoS's thing is is the only thing left that can screw us over really, right? Kita dies today. Townie dies overnight hopefully.
That leaves 2 of crossfire/BC/gonzaw alive, WoS stumped, and the two of us.
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austinmcc
06-29-2013
12:44 PM ET (US)
kita def not traitor if that was him, or I think we would have won right there.
But apparently working with us now, guess pissed at DI and WoS.
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
10:42 PM ET (US)
I'ma try and push things towards lynching you. You've got magical powers town doesn't know about, and can possibly "absorb kp." Gotta lynch you since you're more difficult to deal with, natch.
I think you've done a really nice job of causing the right amount of havoc and distraction in thread. I dunno if you need to ramp that up to be visible, or if that will make it look like you're trying to get yourself lynched over kita, making town want to lynch him more.
So silly. Our scum team needs them to lynch a specific scum because then it's basically a no-lynch, whereas them lynching another scummy guy blows for us.
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
04:47 PM ET (US)
Worst part is I can't tell if this is all a ploy. Based on Gonzaw's posts, I think he legitimately believes he's got this figured out. But he made the role earlier, when he didn't feel that way. So he probably created a role that really does something, and it's not a bluff to pull action out of us? Not that we can really do anything except for kita, whatever he is, maybe shooting.
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
04:18 PM ET (US)
#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
04:02 PM ET (US)
PLEASE DON'T RUIN OUR PLANS EWOK WHISTLE
#YUBJUB
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
03:39 PM ET (US)
I never really considered scum getting my role, wanted to see it end up in townie hands. Thought they could maybe get some extra information, discern some alignments, based on choices that others made. But in scum hands, you either let town do stuff with it or incriminate yourself and maybe teammates.
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
03:37 PM ET (US)
I haven't been using my power to give us vigi powers because I'm dumb/didn't want to get caught by role usage. I'm paranoid about that since it semi-happened in another game. Like, I had to send out 4 PMs each day, so town knows about the PMs. If I ever have to reveal that I'm the source, it wouldn't look good if I sent PMs to you guys and had you vig someone, but I could have asked them to choose ME and vigi and shoot someone N1. Woulda been better usage. Blech.
So...kita can only shoot you? And you'll die, right before deadline, but resurrect or whatever?
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-28-2013
03:29 PM ET (US)
Essentially try to use the shot as a pardon.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-28-2013
03:28 PM ET (US)
The plan is to have Kita shoot me. I'll come back from it. Also why haven't you been using your power to give us vigilante powers?
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austinmcc
06-28-2013
01:34 PM ET (US)
Ah, shitballs.
If Zephirdd wrote his role so that the mason dude HAS to vigi his mason partner, I think kita is shooting YOU today and not anyone else. It fits with nobody claiming yesterday, nobody being dayvigied yesterday by an unknown role.
He masons solstice D1, shoots solstice. Masons you D3, shoots you. This is super mega balls for us if that's the case...I think? Means only one death today and it's you, whether by lynch or shot, and kita comes out looking great if he shot you, except maybe we can play it as a bus.
Ack.
e: Can you just absorb kita's shot?
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
09:24 PM ET (US)
Only... 43.5 more hours of this.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
09:16 PM ET (US)
Okay, our chances kind of turn on him.
There's a pretty good chance he still thinks I'm mafia. If he wants, he can royally screw us by shooting me as they lynch you.
If he shoots at town though, takes out either gonzaw or BC, then we've got a shot. Maybe with DI being town he'll shoot at them.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
09:04 PM ET (US)
yes so far as i know. If they hit me, then i'll tell him so he can boot me out for 24 hours at a minute out... or that's the plan at least. If they don't hit me, then he kills someone else... likely gonzaw.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
Can he dayvig today?
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
yes and yes
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
07:16 PM ET (US)
Did he kill solstice or rb BC D1? We still don't actually know what either of those things was.
There's a chance BC is actually some kind of 3P or...something. I dunno.
Dis game.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
07:09 PM ET (US)
well 2 cycles 144 hrs... not gonna happen clearly.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
07:07 PM ET (US)
i'm quite sure he's some sort of 3p b/c if i stay masoned with him for so long then i become starcrossed lovers with him.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
07:02 PM ET (US)
This game finally turned into a PTP.
We don't know if kita is actually recruited. If he is, and flips mafia, we may be in a good spot.
Oddddddddddddddddddddddddd
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:35 PM ET (US)
Yeah, sorry. The don't overplay it was for thread, but frankly I don't have any clue what's going on anymore. Just worried about everyone firing off KP and us getting smoked.
Lol KP formula. Wtb moar kp. Maybe we recruit him and get a second or something completely dirty like that and then lose it within a day because ACK ACK ACK. KITA I SORRY.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
06:31 PM ET (US)
Ie. I'm not telling him KP formula or anything.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
06:31 PM ET (US)
Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:25 PM ET (US)
Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:23 PM ET (US)
Don't overplay it.
Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
06:19 PM ET (US)
FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
06:14 PM ET (US)
I'm just trying to hijack the thread as much as possible.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:13 PM ET (US)
It still sent out PMs, lololololol.
Maybe this wastes BC's action? I dunno. Almost bad for us if it does and we could get kita shot today, 1 less player to worry about.
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
06:10 PM ET (US)
No TARDIS. Btw. Totally can't mortal combat again. Just fucking up the thread
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
05:54 PM ET (US)
Really hoping that you can actually do that AND got the TARDIS. We're so almost close to being in an okay spot...ish. Did you get it?
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-27-2013
05:40 PM ET (US)
Fuck no I protected you.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
05:35 PM ET (US)
lololol. Are you actually protecting kita or just dicking with folks?
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
04:12 PM ET (US)
BC WHY YOU GOTTA TRY AND RUIN MY SCUMGAMES
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
04:07 PM ET (US)
Balls.
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There's a spot where I say "activate it." It = kita's traitor role. Again, no TARDIS.
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Gonzaw,
There are scum D3 logs. If you believe them real, then you can see that we're trying to plan things out and at no point make plans involving the TARDIS. If you don't believe them real, that's coo, I'm kinda mafia, but then you're stuck with thinking big logs might be faked, so maybe he faked his.
Geript didn't have it, I didn't have it. I assume that if geript said not to worry about something, then geript was dicking with kita. Just like he told him not to shoot at crossfire/austin early in the day. I don't know what exactly went on in geript/kita QT, but we didn't really trust kita, so if that got said, it was said to dick with him.
I was kinda busy noticing a lot of other stuff today. This was actually a serious postOn July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it.
I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. I didn't realize at the time that the TARDIS could be used to bus tonight and maybe dick with stuff. Again, I'm kind of not trustworthy, but ... read into the post what you will.
I will add one new thing, and it's somewhat WIFOMy, but if you're trying to play percentage games, it's a consideration. The weeping angels are, as far as I can tell, one of the big Dr. Who baddies. I think MZ, geript, and I all had villian characters, I'm Madame Kovarian.
Games don't ALWAYS match flavor, but the weeping angels aren't really a ... neutral party. They're a major baddie of the series. They killed some important dudes. A game in which a weeping angel could achieve victory with the Doctor, or his buddies, does not seem correct from a flavor standpoint. Why pick that name when you could go with something else?
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I had always been under the impression that it winked out of existence. It may be there's some facet of kita's role we don't know - he drains it and can pass it once, it explodes and kills the player he gives it to? We shot kurumi that night, so it might have covered up the kill.
I'm pretty much as confused, but also equally TARDIS-less. Didn't think about posting a full day of scum logs earlier because....it's not exactly often that the best scum play is to post scum logs.
Dis game.
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Oh whatever, you secretly love this stuff.
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I think based on your lying to us, it was much more...side-stabby.
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Plus...we were sort of mafia.
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Don't know.
If I were making up a name, it's not what I'd go with. So like...all I know is that if he's telling the truth, his role is a baddie in the series. But if he's lying...why pick that name? Moreover, he already claimed "Fallen Angel," so...either it's his real role name OR he made up a SECOND role name?
So I'm left with the simplest option being he didn't think when saying his rolename.
We were at a point in the game where I'd just claimed scum. I dunno about you guys, but I wasn't thinking clearly last night. He may have been super delighted that I claimed, that he was going to lynch me instead of himself, and slipped up.
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I'm off for the night, will be around tomorrow if needed. I think you're right that I've said what I can, and it's just up to you guys to make your decision.
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On July 02 2013 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
If I have a chance to kill a player like dandel who wants me dead before lylo, there is no reason not to kill him. Plus, it ends the game quicker which is good for me. This argument is bs.
DI didn't just "want kita dead." He wanted kita dead because he thought kita was mafia/anti-town. - + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 22:25 kitaman27 wrote:I'm pretty sure deconduo had to have created my role because he is a cruel, cruel individual. On June 22 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 05:10 deconduo wrote:
We're balancing the roles right now, roles will go out and day will start once we're done. By which he means: We're busy randomly assigning a Batman and Joker role which can't possible be real to mess with you guys  My role was based on the TARDIS, which nobody else could have possibly known about. The fact that kurumi received a message that I had drained the TARDIS once I reached part of my win condition essentially confirms that I'm third party, unless you think the town flip is lying or something. On June 04 2013 06:37 deconduo wrote:
?????
You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. The OP even confirms that the third party role in this game is a survivor, but continue spewing your nonsense about me being mafia, even though Meapak, geript, and likely the remaining mafia members all were trying to get my lynched the first two cycles of the game. Well good thing you decided to play for scum after they allegedly tried to kill you. makes sense. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote:On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team On June 29 2013 07:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
It'll be 4-3
kita is scum.
AS I'VE SAID
At this point, kita has options. He doesn't HAVE to kill DI.
(1) He kills DI. Now DI is off his back, and there are less dudes, and maybe he can save geript.
(2) He shoots me, lets geript get killed, AND POSTS THE LOGS HE HAS WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMS MAFIA AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO SHOOT/NOT SHOOT.
I don't care if DI is the most stubborn person in the world. If kita SHOOTS SCUM, and then POSTS LOGS WHERE SCUM TALKS TARGETING, DI is going to have to take that new information into account. Kita didn't kill DI's family and burn his village, causing DI to swear some kind of vendetta. Kita just looked scummy.
If he shoots me, geript gets lynched, and he posts logs, then absolutely no way in hell is town going to lynch him. If he's really a neutral survivor, he just won himself the game. Town is NOT going to kill that dude, and mafia just lost two players. They don't have time to be NKing third parties in that case, they have to use everything just not to die to town.
That's what all this survivor and DI-shooting crap comes down to. Kita had the option of being GOLDEN on D3. But instead of getting DI to not want to kill him by pretty much winning town the game (and HIMSELF the game, if he's to be believed and can win with town), he gets DI to not want to kill him by shooting DI.
The townie solution to "DI wants to kill me" is "Hunt scum, shoot scum, look townie." The anti-town solution to "DI wants to kill me" is "Shoot DI"
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On July 03 2013 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:20 austinmcc wrote:On July 02 2013 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
If I have a chance to kill a player like dandel who wants me dead before lylo, there is no reason not to kill him. Plus, it ends the game quicker which is good for me. This argument is bs. DI didn't just "want kita dead." He wanted kita dead because he thought kita was mafia/anti-town. - + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 22:25 kitaman27 wrote:I'm pretty sure deconduo had to have created my role because he is a cruel, cruel individual. On June 22 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 05:10 deconduo wrote:
We're balancing the roles right now, roles will go out and day will start once we're done. By which he means: We're busy randomly assigning a Batman and Joker role which can't possible be real to mess with you guys My role was based on the TARDIS, which nobody else could have possibly known about. The fact that kurumi received a message that I had drained the TARDIS once I reached part of my win condition essentially confirms that I'm third party, unless you think the town flip is lying or something. On June 04 2013 06:37 deconduo wrote:
?????
You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. The OP even confirms that the third party role in this game is a survivor, but continue spewing your nonsense about me being mafia, even though Meapak, geript, and likely the remaining mafia members all were trying to get my lynched the first two cycles of the game. Well good thing you decided to play for scum after they allegedly tried to kill you. makes sense. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote:On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team On June 29 2013 07:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
It'll be 4-3
kita is scum.
AS I'VE SAID At this point, kita has options. He doesn't HAVE to kill DI. (1) He kills DI. Now DI is off his back, and there are less dudes, and maybe he can save geript. (2) He shoots me, lets geript get killed, AND POSTS THE LOGS HE HAS WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMS MAFIA AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO SHOOT/NOT SHOOT. I don't care if DI is the most stubborn person in the world. If kita SHOOTS SCUM, and then POSTS LOGS WHERE SCUM TALKS TARGETING, DI is going to have to take that new information into account. Kita didn't kill DI's family and burn his village, causing DI to swear some kind of vendetta. Kita just looked scummy. If he shoots me, geript gets lynched, and he posts logs, then absolutely no way in hell is town going to lynch him. If he's really a neutral survivor, he just won himself the game. Town is NOT going to kill that dude, and mafia just lost two players. They don't have time to be NKing third parties in that case, they have to use everything just not to die to town. lol you know just as well as I do that geript was bulletproof and you were TARDIS protected.
EVEN if this were the case (and it's not), you can:
(1) Kill DI.
(2) Post logs, shoot me, force me to use TARDIS protection (passing the TARDIS to a random new person AND I think getting rid of any night action I might have), let geript get lynched
Geript dies. The logs show me to be scum and everyone else to be town. The TARDIS is probably in town hands, or at the very least isn't in MY hands.
You STILL look incredibly townie, especially releasing the geript logs. You STILL are going to get DI off your back. Sure, you only drop one mafia instead of two, but you become uber-townie and all the village children love you and dance with you, while I go get executed behind the village woodshed.
So even if you actually believe that, and I assume your role did something to the TARDIS and you know what's up with it, you made the seriously anti-town play.
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Kita keeps saying he didn't want to shoot at me D3 because he thinks I had the TARDIS and was protected.
Kita's shot is SILENT. We didn't know who killed solstice D1. He didn't type anything in thread. All that happens is that someone dies.
EVEN IF I had the TARDIS (and I didn't and don't), how was I going to protect myself from a silent shot? I would never know it's coming.
On July 03 2013 02:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Crossfire, I think you're not looking at things from my perspective and then concluding that I'm some weird mafia aligned third party aligned role because of it.
When I voted with geript, it was 2 mafia, 3 town, 1 survivor. With the lynch and night hit, we would go into today 1 mafia, 2 town, 1 survivor. With neither the town, nor the mafia, controlling the vote in this scenario, it put me in a king maker situation. I could side with town, we lynch austin, I win. I could side with austin, we lynch town and night hit, I win. The last thing I was thinking about was a scenario where I would be forced to vote for myself in a 2v1v1 situation. I took a situation where I was going to survive no matter which faction was lynched. If I didn't shoot dandel and shot a protected austin, its 3v1v1, you guys could lynch me like Dandel would want. He was the person pushing that I should be lynched before endgame. it would be 3v1, then 2v1 after the night hit and town wins without a survivor win. Don't punish me for playing to my win condition by keeping both routes of victory open. A 50/50 coinflip tonight is complete garbage compared to a guaranteed victory. Again, DI wanted to lynch you because you thought he was mafia.
Posting your logs with geript, shooting me, not trying to save geript goes a long way towards convincing DI not to lynch you. In fact, posting the logs, having geript flip scum, pretty much guarantees that I am the D4 lynch today in a 3-1-1 situation, not you.
In your version of events, DI is so pissed at you that in the 3-1-1 situation he goes after you, who just helped town big time, rather than me, who geript has basically confirmed as mafia. That is ridiculous.
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On July 03 2013 02:31 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:23 austinmcc wrote:
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Kita keeps saying he didn't want to shoot at me D3 because he thinks I had the TARDIS and was protected.
Kita's shot is SILENT. We didn't know who killed solstice D1. He didn't type anything in thread. All that happens is that someone dies. You knew that there was a day vig role that is refreshed every other day. Your options are: 1) Use the self protection role to ensure a day vig cannot kill you 2) Do not use the self protection role because you want to allow the day vig to kill you. What?
Of course I knew there was a day vig role. The day vig was talking to my mafia buddy, claiming mafia traitor, trying to scheme out a way to get a mafia win. Why am I using the TARDIS to just-in-case protect myself from that guy?
Especially when using it means I probably pass it to geript, who was clear mafia and getting lynched/killed. That means it goes from me (mafia) to him (mafia), and would likely go to town after he died, making it much harder for us to win the game.
This whole thing about me maybe being protected is silly. I couldn't have seen a shot coming. It would have been dumb of me to use the TARDIS just in case a guy who claimed mafia traitor was going to shoot me.
You didn't shoot me on D3 because you can't win with town.
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On July 03 2013 02:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyways, I'm sure we're accomplishing much arguing with each other :p The other option is actually doing work at work 
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