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On May 30 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Vayne I know you're sort of new here, but no one is going to cheat; people don't get to be veteran mafia players on here by breaking the rules an ruining games for other people. Also you can 'swear you're town' all you want but it's never 100%. I guess it was probably BH's play in 'The Game' that brought this on? It's an interesting concept to be sure, but I'm with Palmar on this. If you want to discourage spamming to muck up the thread as a strategy then that can be dealt with through moderating; assuming that people just post for the hell of it or to up their post count seems absurd to me. I might personally play just as an exercise of improving my overall play and consolidating more, which I will admit I probably have a problem with. actually no, I bring this up because I was here for the first mafia games here and people cheated like crazy through PMs/IRC and stuff. | ||
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only post I see as scummy so far is firmtofu's. Dude is like explicitly telling the traitor what not to do in his first post so he doesn't get caught or something. Fishy as hell | ||
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On July 16 2013 13:41 Hapahauli wrote: Don't troll me. Normally I'd entertain you in the early game, but we have a limited posting to work on here. Masoning should be used for scum-hunting purposes, and not for town circle-jerking purposes. Discussing the game with one of your town-reads is only going to be useful if that town player is really, really good. However, it also is going to do nothing but affirm your town-read on someone as opposed to getting information out of players you need information from. This is absurd. Talking to someone wont' confirm or deny suspicious? How the hell else do you scum-hunt? You talk to someone in-thread to confirm/deny suspicions. PM's are extremely valuable because they're our only resource for unrestricted information. Buddying a town-read can be good sometimes, but he better alternative will usually be either a) pressuring someone or b) early-game meta-based reads. Shit happens. People get over-emotional and derp all the time - even the most level headed of us. I never assume competency. Why do you think PMs are a good thing? All they do is provide shady ways of communication for people to manipulate others. If I can't see it in the thread how the fuck am I supposed to figure out the game? | ||
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On July 16 2013 13:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you don't respond to people who mason you I'm probably going to push your lynch. But you bring up an excellent point. FirmTofu's post is seemingly designed to seem as helpful as possible (to the point that it looks pre-written) but I can't imagine town is very fixated on the traitor at all. FirmTofu, explain what you're thinking and was your post pre-written? Are you just a statistics/setup nerd that always looks at the game that way? I don't necessarily find it extra suspicious that you're describing the ideal play of the traitor, this is certainly something the traitor and everybody else probably knows, but it's the most substantial part of your initial post and it's an alarming fixation. Don't get me wrong, if for some strange fucking reason you want to mason me then go ahead and I will talk to you. I won't be using either of mine though. Could you direct me to a good town game of yours btw? never played with you so I want to see how you play | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 16 2013 13:43 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm not going to be masoning anyone just as a heads up. Don't like PMs, never have. only post I see as scummy so far is firmtofu's. Dude is like explicitly telling the traitor what not to do in his first post so he doesn't get caught or something. Fishy as hell[/QUOTE] You actually bring up a very good point. Although it was not my intention to direct the traitor's behavior, this is a potential indirect effect of my post. However, if the traitor avoids dropping clues about his alignment, then wouldn't this hurt mafia? Unless the mafia was more concerned about the traitor's life than one of their own, I think they would be willing to take the risk of having the traitor drop some clues for them to find. [QUOTE]On July 16 2013 13:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you don't respond to people who mason you I'm probably going to push your lynch. But you bring up an excellent point. FirmTofu's post is seemingly designed to seem as helpful as possible (to the point that it looks pre-written) but I can't imagine town is very fixated on the traitor at all. FirmTofu, explain what you're thinking and was your post pre-written? Are you just a statistics/setup nerd that always looks at the game that way? I don't necessarily find it extra suspicious that you're describing the ideal play of the traitor, this is certainly something the traitor and everybody else probably knows, but it's the most substantial part of your initial post and it's an alarming fixation. [/QUOTE] No, I mentioned in my previous post that it was not pre-written. [QUOTE]On July 16 2013 13:48 slOosh wrote: Hey guys. If people are unsure about how to mason, they should just avoid using it. Worst thing we can do is have all the discussion going on in PM land and nothing to go off of someone's alignment other than their mason's read on them. /QUOTE] While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all.[/QUOTE] Yea I'm not going to condemn you for 1 post but I will be thinking about it. We should avoid talking about the traitor at all costs because it only gives him a chance to slip something. in. Lets agree from this point to not bring up any traitor bullshit and he won't be able to do anything. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "Day 1 is a crapshoot so let's not talk about scumreads" you're acting very aggressively in this game so that seems like an odd thing to imply I'd say you are merely twisting my words which is usually a scummy trait. There's a difference between telling some one to avoid discussing the traitor and avoid discussing scumreads. A huge difference in fact. As to the rest of your fluff reasons for voting me, I stated before this game even started that I would have nothing to do with the PM part of this game, not alignment indicative at all. If you don't like my aggressive style then I guess we'll just have to avoid each other because that's how I am going to be playing this game. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I thought you were talking to me for calling you my scumread and not talking about the traitor. When you said "There is barely anything to go off of yet" aren't you implying that there isn't enough information for anyone to have good reads yet so it's not worth discussing? You're criticizing oats here passively for trying to push reads out of people which is a lot townier than what you are doing. Fair enough, I see how you could think that but it is incorrect. Simply shouting at people to post reads when only 5 people are posting so far is not townie in my opinion. All it does is let scum know what the town is thinking and makes it easier to manipulate the vote accordingly. what town SHOULD be doing is elaborating later in the day on concrete reads that scum can't easily sheep. With a vote this early you are just setting up scum to come out of the woodworks and agree with you to push for my mislynch and that worries me. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh I found his post, yeah he's not saying no one should mason nor is he saying he is refusing to mason which is a really dumb thing to do. Now you're defending Vayne by using misdirection/misinterpretation! Interesting! slo0sh - don't use mason if you don't know what you're doing. I disagree but there have been terrible consequences for this (coagulation claiming medic to me day 1 of Salem Mafia, me outing every single blue to the godfather in the same game, etc.) slo0sh is in the SAME post talking about how PMs are invaluable for forming scumhunting circles which is a townie way of looking at it. A single sentence in a single post being a "concerted effort to discourage PMing" is really REALLY misrepresenting what sloOsh is saying in a completely obvious way. kind of like how you are trying to misrepresent my posts. You one of those hypocrites when you play mafia? The most annoying kind of player. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Wow literally all I said is that you refuse to mason which is exactly what you said. how is that misrepresenting!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????????? and how is that hypocritical? jesus. That is taking it to an extreme although I am not talking about that. I did say I would gladly talk to people that want to mason me, just that I won't be sending any outward masoning as I prefer to speak in the thread as opposed to privately. Nothing good has ever come out of it from what I've seen in PM games. Our definitions of mason circle are very different. On one hand we have a guy who is going to be very easily trusting of people through PMs yet drops his vote within seconds of the game starting. You don't see how wearing your heart on your sleeve in PM play could fuck us as town? You are pretty much hanging onto this notion of me refusing to use my masoning powers when I IMPLICITLY STATED BEFORE THE GAME STARTED that I hate using PMs. That is a horrible line of reasoning for town to have and I really hope you will reconsider, because looking through the town games you gave me it takes you a long time to formulate reads on people and vote, so the fact that you are voting me so quickly is alarming as fuck. | ||
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And to clear things up, I dont think DrH is scum. The only time I ever got into an argument with some one not town was prom in carnival and he was SK. Usually the people that get heated up with me are town so I am pretty satisfied with narrowing down my list so far. ##vote: Sloosh | ||
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With that said, it's weird that you trying to discredit him but not me. I don't see the motivation for your behavior as town. | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I didn't think I would have to say this, but using things outside the game to try to determine each others alignment is against the rules and the spirit of the game. An example would be trying to use a role PM to determine someones alignment. If someone tries doing this through PM let me know. This will not be a warning, it will result in a direct modkill and ban request. I don't tolerate unsportsmanlike conduct. If you have a doubt whether or not something is legitimate or not feel free to PM me, but I would err on the side of caution. If you have to question whether you can do it, you probably shouldn't be doing it. On May 30 2013 07:38 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know how I feel about the PMs being allowed, I know we uphold great values here but I feel like they usually just lead to cheating and such. yea looks like things don't change. If anyone asks me about my decision again I am lynching them on sight. On July 17 2013 08:37 strongandbig wrote: im saying that it looks like you chose wiggles as someone to be suspicious of and then added reasons later, because i dont think given his single post and the reasons you mention it would genuinely make you think he is scum. im saying u scum brah. @DrH if you get a chance can you tell me why im on your scum list? also i want to renew my poke on VA. I'm very much unsatisfied with the extent to which he's talked about setup and policy and not the more important things like reads and interactions. So VA A CHALLENGE can you write a case for why VE is either town or scum? Or replace VE with someone else if you want to but I want you to put some more reasoning into the thread. Not sure what you are looking for when I just gave a post with my reads so far? Seems just like pointless pressure to add bulk to your post. Only new development since my last post is I'm working on a townread for gumshoe, but after he fucked us in nuclear I can't be as sure. | ||
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Koshi's filter is full of logical fallacies and conveniently blending in with other people's reads if you can dissect his long posts. His first reads post Lists oats, VE, gumshoe, Malongo. People are convienently on Malongo and VE at this point but no one really on oats/gumshoe for the most part so even though he lays suspicion down on all of them he makes it clear that he wants to bandwagon onto the popular lynches first. This post pretty much spells out his play for the rest of the game, which scum often do. He regurgitates reasons other people have made on malongo and VE, then for his thoughts on oats and gumshoe simply calls them out on activity/posting? lol scummy. He then later gives gumshoe posts who is a scumread of his. Makes zero sense and that's usually a scumtell when you do illogical things that help the people you are suspicious of because you want to garner town trust (and you know they are town) Finishes all this with saying he has to go bed and casually leaves a useless vote on malongo who is in no real danger today. Unassociating himself with the flip today. Pretty sure Koshi is scum. | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:54 FirmTofu wrote: This is my 19th post. I need a few posts please. I am going to unvote tentatively and look through the filters of Oats, Ace, Kholly, Koshi, MZ, and Malongo. I will decide who to vote soon but this list, along with VE, are the primary group of people I'm looking at. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##give firmtofu 3 posts | ||
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On July 18 2013 08:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: For the people wanting to kill Malongo, why him over MZ? Looking through his posts, they have nothing to do with the game really. So, you can't call him scum off of content, only really behaviour, due to him posting but not saying anything about the game. MZ though, has been doing something similar, but his posting blatantly mocks the town and shrugs off any responsibility to help. As well, MZ, at least initially, interacted more with the game, but when asked repeatedly to clarify his posts, he did not do so, instead opting to ignore those requests. So, I'm stumped. Why is Malongo the most villainous of scum, but MZ gets passed over? Because you are probably right and MZ is scum but scumteam is trying to gloss over the fact. I noticed that most people in the thread are ignoring your accusations against him but doesn't look like MZ is going to get lynched today but I would certainly be down to talk about that tomorrow. It is suspicious indeed. This is my last post of the day so if anyone wants to know anything please donate me a post. | ||
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On July 19 2013 12:41 kushm4sta wrote: rofl wut... he tunneled VE to save sloosh how is that not obvious to you I voted for sloosh yesterday so that's really not new information to me, It just solidifies my opinion of him. I was looking at the stuff regarding the other players. He just says yup lynch these dudes! and thats about it. doesnt say anything about their alignments. | ||
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use logic and it's obvious you are town As for this Ace claim I ain't believing shit after roulette, just gonna keep playing this day normally like it didn't happen. Keep hunting scum and don't just end discussion for the day like it always does | ||
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On July 20 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: It has already pointed out by Korynne why this is not 100% true. You were talking about my claim, what does that have to do with anything (it's what i asked you about in the first place)? Do you think FT / Ace / both are scum? Also lol, my logic is that i am town as my role-PM says so. :D Oh I'm talking about your claim of being silenced. We are on different wavelengths there. I think Ace is 3rd party/VI actually. He said he had his own agenda and he's doing weird things As I stated earlier I think FT is town after his back and forth with DrH and he is at least attempting to analyze things. Sloosh/Koshi are my strong scumreads meapak is a minor scumread, he's trollin' hard for some one that played so useful as town in nuclear | ||
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On July 20 2013 00:56 Ace wrote: oh come on Vayne, it was a one time thing  This time I'm actually upfront about my lies. you seem to be the detective role in every game I play with you lol, you always fakeclaim something. I am really interested in wtf your role is this game because I don't think you would blatantly play against your wincon. | ||
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On July 20 2013 04:22 Koshi wrote: So I promised that I would take a better look at the VE voters. Oatsmaster: Voted for VE 1 minute after the voting thread was created and never took his vote off VE. (wtf) But that being said, Oats left for bed before VE made his (15/15) post and before VE claimed America. When gumshoe said that he did his job I also immediately thought that he actually saved somebody. I don't think this is such a gigantic slip that you guys claim that it is. Isn't there a bigger chance that Gumshoe actually defended a bigger thread than himself? SloOsh: I have masoned Vivax. I will probably mason somebody else during the next night. I say this because I have discussed SloOsh with Vivax, as SloOsh was the scumwagon to him. Vivax asked me to read sloosh and I replied: + Show Spoiler + [11:52] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:53] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:54] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:54] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. A lot of his posting on Day 1 can have been to protect himself, he remember him trying to convince me to vote for VE. What makes Sloosh look bad is that he completely ignored the America claim from VE, he should have commented on that tbh. My read on SloOsh is what it is, I think that you should ask Vivax if you want a better read on SloOsh. Yamato: With him being on the VE train, I suspect at least 1 more to have joined after him. Maybe in the end, the remove the America claim, maybe a bit sooner to protect Sloosh. Ace: Playing completely different than in the Nuclear game, he was calm and not caring in Nuclear, while he is being chaotic and cynical in here.. Does this means he isn't scum here? No. Can I read him? No. Does my gut says he is scum? No. strongandbig: I read Vivax his arguments about SnB and I nod my head while doing so, it are the standard reasons that somebody reads in guides and applicable to SnB his posts. But I am not convinced yet. I do think SnB is following this thread way better than what he let us believe in his opening post. Same deal as with Sloosh, I wouldn't lynch him because he could be useful to town. I have not the read on SnB to condemn him scum. kholly: Chez did 2 things this game so far: 1) Focus on Gumshoe saying that he has only 1 Mason. 2) Give a sarcastic(?) list of scums. So after putting a lot of work in this post, I come to the conclusion that I don't have anything. I do know that you guys don't like lists that don't say shit and just fill up the thread. But sadly enough this is all I have, VA can have a fieldday again on me. Just going to put my vote towards uselessness: ##vote: kholly Not like it matters since nobody will listen to me :D you saw how the case was completely ignored. The analysis is decent here and follow similarly with my line of logic so I will have to re-assess whether you are just trying to buddy or genuine in your thoughts. You aren't really on anyone else's radar right now so ill worry about other shit. If I had to guess I'd say either kholly or SnB or both are the scum that helped move along the wagon since they voted late. | ||
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mindfuck'd This FT wagon is probably scum driven now that we know the check is fake | ||
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second of all, yea sloosh has done nothing to make me think he is town yet but I don't agree with Vivax on Koshi, I hope you guys aren't both scum because your scumreads pretty much just match up with thread sentiment right now besides the layabout case. I think my case on koshi is pretty solid so if you wanna look at that vivax and tell me why you think he would do that as town then I am all ears | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:51 VayneAuthority wrote: yo im back and pretty sure I found scum Koshi's filter is full of logical fallacies and conveniently blending in with other people's reads if you can dissect his long posts. His first reads post Lists oats, VE, gumshoe, Malongo. People are convienently on Malongo and VE at this point but no one really on oats/gumshoe for the most part so even though he lays suspicion down on all of them he makes it clear that he wants to bandwagon onto the popular lynches first. This post pretty much spells out his play for the rest of the game, which scum often do. He regurgitates reasons other people have made on malongo and VE, then for his thoughts on oats and gumshoe simply calls them out on activity/posting? lol scummy. He then later gives gumshoe posts who is a scumread of his. Makes zero sense and that's usually a scumtell when you do illogical things that help the people you are suspicious of because you want to garner town trust (and you know they are town) Finishes all this with saying he has to go bed and casually leaves a useless vote on malongo who is in no real danger today. Unassociating himself with the flip today. Pretty sure Koshi is scum. This is what I was referring to. Also I don't see how picking out sloosh is weird because sloosh, koshi, and meapak to a lesser extent are my scumreads atm. It's the only one that currently interests me. kholly is scummy as fuck ill give you that, but its chezinu so I'm not willing to say he is for certain scum just yet, especially with how many people are pushing his lynch. Layabout is pretty useless this game as opposed to in roulette, I am pretty indifferent about him right now. Low priority if he's scum since he isn't affecting the game at all. The SnB shot is weird as fuck but he never really cares in any of his games so I don't see that as alighment indicative As for the logs, I'm not really too concerned with that as there's the possibility you are both scum. They seem genuine enough so it's not really my first option but we don't know his flip yet in nuclear and he was no fucks given in that game as well. I think that is just how he plays | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote: You're ok Koshi. I'm your guardian angel for now <3 ##Donate kushm4sta: 2 posts Vayne, I don't really like much of anything you posted there about kholly/s&b/layabout etc. I don't think it's scummy, just not good. In my opinion it's a massive mistake to write a terrible shot off as "he's apathetic" because it's too easy. At the very least massive, massive pressure should be applied to s&b for what he did. Why would SnB, who has already been under heavy pressure this game, willingly post in the thread that he is going to shoot somebody? Makes zero sense from a logical point of view if he is scum. If you can answer me that then maybe I will give the case more weight. Until then it's just scum looking for a reason to off another PR. You don't like anything I post ever, so nothing new there. Koshi, some one has to pressure the people getting no attention or we have nowhere to go if we get to endgame. Just because everyone is going to play one style doesn't mean I am going to follow it, you should know that. If you are uncomfortable with my pressure just concede the game scum  | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:40 marvellosity wrote: There's no logical town-reason to shoot Ace either. People always seem to fail this test. Does it make sense as scum? No? As town? No? Usually if it doesn't make sense from either alignment it points towards scum. I learnt this from LI as a freshfaced newb when I couldn't work out VE's claim from either a town or a scum perspective and it confused the fuck out of me, and it turned out to be some elaborate scum ploy. If scum have a day-vigi shot, then they are going to use it. Take LX as an example, Chezinu was mafia and just shot some townie... because... he had a shot. To kill a townie. For free. And then people like you (I don't mean that derogatively, just people in general taking your attitude) say "but why do that as scum". Well, to shoot a townie and have other people defend them with wifom, that's why. Looking at it from your perspective, s&b has gotten away with shooting Ace for no god-damn reason because of your "well why would he" defence. Bad. Maybe from your perspective, I was of the opinion that Ace was a 3rd party role since he said he was playing for himself and basically just trolling the entire game. I didn't think shooting him was a particularly bad shot but it is off putting. Now the kicker is when I cross examine it the personality of SnB. Does this guy ever give a fuck? No? ---> leaning town. The problem is his opening post is way too well constructed to make sense from a town SnB, looks like the guy spent an hour on that post alone and it didn't really sit well with me. That's why he's at null for me at the moment, and I think there is a lot more pressing people to attend to like Sloosh and Meapak (since nobody agrees with me on koshi for whatever reason) Sloosh has still done NOTHING to alleviate any suspicion around him. He's basically afk. If he's town I really would not be sorry to see him go. If he doesn't post at least something of substance soon i will be voting for him again. As for Meapak see that he is demonstrably trolling the thread but in a different sense than Ace was. Ace was merely posting nonsensical bullshit. Meapak is trying to emulate that same attitude but is actively throwing shit at people. I see no reason to do that as town. | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote: I could say why Meapak would do that as town but it wouldn't be polite. You've picked up on the apparent effort that s&b has put into some of his posts compared to the Ace shot, so how that ends up as null to you is pretty baffling to me, to be quite honest. Shooting Ace like that when at the very least there's Malongo/kholly/probably various others is super serious. You don't think that's the easy way out as scum? He could have shot kholly or Firmtofu and nobody would have thought much of it but he went after Ace instead who wasn't being useful at all to town. I am just not following you sorry :/ Maybe you know him better than me but that honestly just seems like too dumb of a play to come from scum. | ||
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I won't be online again before the deadline ##vote:sloosh If he isn't scum then we better be looking at vivax/koshi tomorrow. | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:54 Koshi wrote: You trying to get me jealous by looking at other boys? I like concrete analysis and if we look at the votes on sloosh day 1 that wasn't a successful lynch, then we have a vivax/koshi mason team come out of nowhere and decide kholly or SnB is a sweet lynch but then they just go fuck it and vote Sloosh and he flips town...yes you can bet your ass I will be on you for that | ||
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On July 22 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: VA are you really this dumb? wtf are you talking about now? explain yourself or dont talk to me | ||
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Did yamato silence you to get towncred and you are actually a scum pardoner? LMFAO if thats what you did. It will become obvious soon enough when you arent dead. | ||
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On July 22 2013 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: VayneAuthority: Okay, this is completely wrong, but: 2 minutes ago vayne could not see why there CAN POSSIBLY BE A SCUM PARDONER! Now, he is saying i am one. Note that this all "fuck im confused, town pardoner claim" has been going on since all N2, to protect Sloosh, the mafia guy who got pardoned by his scummates, which vayne could not understand in the first place at all. But suddenly i am the scum pardoner, which was not possible in the first place. Look at this guy's posts, rofl. Sloosh is mafia, vayne is mafia, snb is mafia. marv is probably mafia. Kill sloosh first, because he is 100% mafia. you're a moron and you're mad that you just gave yourself away. get shit on harder, LOL kill this fucking moron if i die tonight, he just scumslipped. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no reason why you should not have voted for Sloosh on D2 as your team pardoned him. I pushed his lynch on both days. Another preflip association. IMPORTANT: IF SLOOSH IS SCUM RAYN IS AS WELL, DO NOT FORGET THIS. | ||
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your plan was to have you claim pardoner and yamato silence you as a result. Then you push your teammates lynch but waste our time by pardoning him. Then when hes finally lynched you expect us to believe that somebody else pardoned him and get yourself in as town. Pretty interesting but it stops here. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Poor vayne, if he was a townie he'd realize why his last few posts make zero sense but alas, a scum mind cannot fathom some things I guess. Yea and if you took rayn's ballsack out of your mouth you would see why he is scum. Fucking dumbass. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: Another preflip association. IMPORTANT: IF SLOOSH IS SCUM RAYN IS AS WELL, DO NOT FORGET THIS. maybe if you could read id make that deal, but you can't. This game is just turning into another vet circle jerk YAWN. I will agree to be lynched if you lynch rayn right after as frankly I don't give a shit since you guys are just gonna gag on eachother's balls all day until you have to kill each other. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm going to take a 5 post penalty just to point this out. See the bolded parts and laugh. gl guys, ima go to bed. see how you got stomped and now all you guys can do is "laugh and scoff" like the vets do when they get brutally raped. same old shit. | ||
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On July 23 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote: I was just flicking through Vayne's filter, and in doing so I came across this again: Under the assumption that slOosh is flipping mafia, this is actually a really important perspective to take out of it. Looking at people who didn't want to kill slOosh day 1 and then did on day 2 might be a good place to look for a mafia or two. this vayne/rayne thing is annoying, never know what people are talking about. And Yea you quoted a flat out lie from rayn, he's trying to make it look like I didn't vote him day 1 for some reason when I did. That's why if sloosh flips scum he is definitely scum, he's trying to make preflip assocations with me before we even know what side sloosh is on. I am convinced rayne is scum, if he isn't I will be really surprised. His early pardoner claim makes sense now. | ||
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On July 23 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote: Vayne, you agree we got to lynch the other guys first right? Sloosh and SnB? My reasoning was that rayn is the most active scum probably right now so we should cut off their leadership. Nobody believes my theory though so I guess my vote is wasted unless I just vote for sloosh. I don't think SnB is mafia and I've made that pretty clear so no. I'd much rather lynch Meapak after sloosh, his soft defense of rayn when we were arguing and the shit marv just posted only solidifies my scum reading on him I don't think you are scum anymore btw koshi since vivax was town. I doubt you'd be able to trick a town vivax that's playing for real. | ||
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On July 23 2013 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne. I hope you read this carefully and think about it because i am going to say this only once. Your theory is that i claimed a pardoner, one of the best scum roles at the start of the game. Then my team silenced me right after gumshoe told me he is going to claim to me because apparently for scum!rayn it's better that he claimed to marv instead. I have bussed slOosh the whole game as i was the first one to votefor him and i was actively trying to got people to vote for him. - There is no reason why i should/would have claimed pardoner as mafia. The thing that everyone now knows there actually is a pardoner in the game speaks in favor of that, because the only situation where it would be beneficial for scum (if i was scum) would be that there is not actually a pardoner at all. - There is no reason why i would have myself silenced over some active townie if i was mafia. D1 was fucking inactive and if i silenced myself as mafia gains me nothing. Actually it does the opposite as gumshoe is about to claim to me. - There is no reason i should have pushed slOosh the entire game as mafia, there have been other targets (like half of the players on D1). The only time i let go of sloosh for a while was when he masoned me. That was because i wanted to give him a chance to prove his towniness. Why would i not tell sloosh to even try to make some good shit up if i was mafia? We could have easily made him look better. None of the actions you think i am scum for do make sense from scum!rayn pov. There would be no reason for me to claim pardoner if i was mafia. There was no benefit in silencing myself if i was mafia, actually it would only hurt my team (we lose a claim + power, for nothing). There is no reason i would have bussed sloosh for the entire game when there were like 10 other targets at that time. Can you please try to understand why you are wrong on this, and can you please look for actual mafia if you are town? thanks. Alright I'll try to go through this. I know you think it's silly but you can't pretend like you couldn't pull this off. It's not that pretentious. 1. The bussing thing is irrelevant since if I am scum like you say I am, then what is the difference between us there? 2. You don't need the claim from gumshoe, the fact that he wanted to claim to you is enough to let you know its something fairly important. Also note that he died the first night...doesn't exactly help your case since you were masoned with him. I thought the silencing thing didn't make sense at first but lets be real it's not that great of a role. Why risk confirming some one as town when you can just silence a teammate? It reduces the effort they have to put in and makes them more townie. Its a win/win. 3. If you are a scum-sided pardoner then your best bet is to immediately claim and use your pardon without admitting it so that you can fuck with the town. If you don't claim then you are a lot less immune proof and you definitely don't get masoned by so many people. It allows you to be behind the scenes and manipulate people as a result of your claim. 4. just a repeat of 2 5. just a repeat of 1 The one thing you have going for you here that you didn't mention for whatever reason is that I don't think you are dumb enough to do the fake claim and then @ late game obviously everyone will wonder wtf you are still alive. That fact alone is making me re-think that you are scum, but the rest of the stuff you just said? Doesn't really change anything about the theory. In rebuttal What is the difference between us when it comes to sloosh that you are trying to misrepresent/pounce on me for? Why are you letting up now that its apparent that only MZ shares your interests (who I believe is scum for sure btw) And as an aside, why do you think marv is so happy go lucky in this game? If we compare this game to the new game that just started where he's hydra'ed with VE, he is getting into some crazy arguments and being pretty confrontational. Here he's settling fights and just doing some basic analyzation but not really pushing for anything. If we cross analyze that with his "I don't get into fights as scum" thing I find it hard to believe he is town this game, but he doesn't feel like scum either. 3rd party marv? | ||
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On July 23 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote: And as an aside, why do you think marv is so happy go lucky in this game? If we compare this game to the new game that just started where he's hydra'ed with VE, he is getting into some crazy arguments and being pretty confrontational. Here he's settling fights and just doing some basic analyzation but not really pushing for anything. If we cross analyze that with his "I don't get into fights as scum" thing I find it hard to believe he is town this game, but he doesn't feel like scum either. 3rd party marv? also lol, did scum think I was softclaiming cop here? well nope try again. ##unvote ##vote:sloosh | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:37 marvellosity wrote: I don't provide that shit to the thread to incriminate myself, you know. Although it seems pretty obvious that slOosh opened with that to incriminate me. Are you really that slow? Well there's a few scenarios here 1. You are town and meapak is scum/SK 2. You are scum and Meapak is town/SK (probably the most unlikely) 3. You are SK and meapak is town/scum I think we can safely agree based on what you've done here that option 1 is our best choice, and we should be lynching meapak tomorrow. | ||
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Z = cop X = Chain of command Y = Sneak looking for confirmation before saying anything to look good, while he's actively passing info. Alternatively the Z could be a scum cop fucking with us and that is why they sent out these logs with sloosh + marv. X seems like town in that scenario though, any way you slice it | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: We can lynch me as long as we lynch marv the next day. Oats should probably be the day after that given his defense of marv. idk what this means really, with that additional modkill we are running out of time so it would be better if you could defend yourself instead of just giving us an ultimatum. Lynching correctly between you and marv will probably decide the outcome of this game, so some help here please. | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Its 13 VS 4 and killing marv will drop KP. We have room to mislynch me. Alright fair enough, so we have to decide between facts and AtE, great. | ||
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Looks like they are scum/SK in regards to the alignment difference. | ||
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So you are saying that Marv/sloosh fabricated those logs to make us think that there is an SK when there isn't? | ||
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gonna use this as a placeholder so I dont get modkilled since I'm pretty sure he is either scum or SK. ##vote:Meapak_Ziphh Also it does look like you guys are trusting people you shouldn't, layabout was basically up for lynch soon. No reason he should have died. | ||
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On July 25 2013 12:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There goes vayne not reading the thread again :/ I'm still here so you can elaborate | ||
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On July 25 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Or not me, but lets just assume that Im scum for undisclosed reasons shall we.. MZ, why should we lynch Marv and not you? Actually I have a decent theory, lets see how MZ reacts to it. Since marv posted those logs I have come to the conclusion that I do not think he is playing for scum. It's really just unnecessary extra work and effort and the more I think about it, the more I feel stupid that I considered it an option. Now with the extra information we have from rayn that there is a potential rat that fed layabout to scum I think we can deduce scum shot at the least layabout. Now if there is an SK and marv is it, who is he shooting for tonight if he's not going to play nice with scum? He's going to shoot scum. Who has he been pushing lately? Oh that's right. Kholly, the guy he just shot. Depending on how MZ reacts to this I could switch my vote because it makes sense in my head. | ||
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On July 25 2013 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote: A 24 player game with 1 scum kp? You have got to be kidding me. putting aside any setup speculation, do you agree that it makes sense? I don't think meapak would foresee this to frame him | ||
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QUOTE]On July 25 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote: On July 25 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Or not me, but lets just assume that Im scum for undisclosed reasons shall we.. MZ, why should we lynch Marv and not you? Actually I have a decent theory, lets see how MZ reacts to it. Since marv posted those logs I have come to the conclusion that I do not think he is playing for scum. It's really just unnecessary extra work and effort and the more I think about it, the more I feel stupid that I considered it an option. Now with the extra information we have from rayn that there is a potential rat that fed layabout to scum I think we can deduce scum shot at the least layabout. Now if there is an SK and marv is it, who is he shooting for tonight if he's not going to play nice with scum? He's going to shoot scum. Who has he been pushing lately? Oh that's right. Kholly, the guy he just shot. Depending on how MZ reacts to this I could switch my vote because it makes sense in my head.[/QUOTE] This makes the most sense to me so I'm gonna be voting for marv. If anything crazy happens ill be following the thread loosely as I have mediocre wifi here. ##unvote ##vote:Marv | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Why the fuck would marv as sk shoot someone he is pushing? Isnt it better to just keep pushing kholly and shoot another scumread? There are 4 scum left, lotta targets man. Its really bad play as SK. Does marv suck at the game? I dont think so. Vayne, how do you not see the shot on someone obviously town as a scumclaim. there was no explanation. #yolo is not a good answer. town SnB doesnt #yolo. you just played in nuclear with me where SnB didn't give two shits as town. How do you not see that everyone in the game is pushing SnB pretty much except me? you think the whole scumteam is just bussing him at this point? Also I fail to see how Ace was obvious town when he was pretty much just posting random stuff. Your "SK bad play" scenario only takes into account the aftermath of after I brought this up. Do you really think he would think that anyone would think of that? Nobody is even responding to it which means that no one even believes it. | ||
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So everyone that posts nothing useful gets a free pass as town from you? I know how to play with you in the future I guess. Also who hasn't posted this entire game because SnB has been pushed since day 1 btw | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Wiggles scum, not even reading the thread. Marv has another check showing him to be the same alignment as FT If you honestly believe that then why aren't you voting meapak? That makes him auto scum. | ||
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oats marv koshi random lurker (kush/adam) ill have to see what adam does seems like the scumteam. They are all pushing SnB on the basis of his shot and they are starting to panic as you see, with oats making one of the worst claims I've ever seen and marv making a huge martyr post. If this isn't the correct final answer I'll be really surprised. This is the only consolidated agenda that I see in the thread. They are all pushing SnB like he's in a fucking wheelchair. I see my vote is fine where it is. If there's SK it's meapak but idk if that even exists anymore | ||
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On July 26 2013 23:30 marvellosity wrote: How was that a martyr post? In any way? You're looking pretty bad to me right now Vayne. everyone that isn't on your team is looking bad to you. Where's the rest of my team if I'm scum? | ||
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On July 26 2013 23:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Can all of you use your fucking brains and explain why the fuck we(scumteam) would need to fakeclaim an already claimed role in order to lynch Snb? Why not push him. Why not claim a detective check on SnB? WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE DO IT IN THE MOST SUSPICIOUS FUCKING WAY POSSIBLE. WHAT THE FUCK GUYS. WHAT. THE. FUCK. If you are capable of thinking like that, then how is it so hard to believe? Dumbtelling is a common scum strategy. Why do you think you guys can have that work on me? rofl | ||
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On July 26 2013 23:36 marvellosity wrote: Sorry, you have no idea what martyring means. Here's the definition of martry for you: 1. a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion. Pretty evident that I'm not ready to die, or asking to die, or wanting to die. Not sure why you should be listened to if you don't have a basic grasp on english and terminology. Ah I see you avoided answering the actually important question and resorted to a character attack. Confirmed scum, cya. | ||
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How can I be looking bad to you but you can't even answer a single question about who my allies are if I am scum? Because you are basically insinuating that I am scum with SnB yet you are providing no analysis or support for it, whereas I have my explained my thought process and line of reasoning. You can say it's bad but I don't see why you just have to ignore your end. | ||
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I see a clear motive for oats to defend you, for layabout to have a different alignment check on you/meapak, for koshi to live vicariously through vivax yet actually do nothing in the thread. All you see is me "misunderstanding. Yes, that must be it. | ||
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Good day to you as well. | ||
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Hey, hopefully I'm wrong and you guys are just bussing him because thats what it seems like after your posts. Know something we don't? | ||
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Koshi if you are truly town, please explain why I was on sloosh day 1 and Oats was on VE, I'd love to hear that one. Your conspiracy is wrong plain and simple. Maybe I'm wrong about you, but if you are town you are helping scum win at this point, period. | ||
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On July 27 2013 04:30 Koshi wrote: Ok, I am going to go over my theory once more. Talking with Korynne helped make this theory even more believable and I think I am going to stick to it till I get lynched/night killed. The scumteam is approx: SnB VA Wiggles Kyronne Their goal today is to let us lynch into Marv/MZ. There are 2 possible reasons why: 1) We lynch wrong and they kill 2 tonight and they win the game. 2) They believe there is a SK between those 2 and want town to lynch him. (Read logs between me and Korynne) If you look at them all separately: SnB: scum vigi. We all read his defense, he was trying to lynch marv or the SK. (teamtactic) VA: Been an annoyance the entire game. Tried to save SnB which isn't scummy in theory, especially with all the other crap he has been posting, but this guy also has been trying to get MZ, marv lynched. Lately he is also pleased to lynch Oats/Koshi. Wiggles: afk. Made a post right before night that something BIG was going to happen. Made a post after the night that we need to lynch into Marv/MZ (teamtactic) Korynne: Traitor that had layabout killed. Made multiple post in this thread to lynch in to Marv/MZ (You see the pattern?...) tried to persuade me to look at rayn as the traitor, tried to persuade me to save SnB. The logs below are quite scummy on moments as well. Here are logs between me and Korynne. <DISCLAIMER: I am being a jack-ass somewhere in the middle> + Show Spoiler + [20:04] <Korynne> bro [20:04] <Korynne> why you so crazy [20:04] <Korynne> How is it not Marv/MZ? [20:04] <Korynne> That's insane man/ [20:04] <Korynne> Layabout flipped. [20:05] <@Koshi> Oh hi [20:05] <@Koshi> I just made an insane long post why you are scum [20:05] <@Koshi> D: [20:05] <Korynne> lol wtf broski [20:05] <Korynne> *reads* [20:06] <Korynne> broski [20:06] <Korynne> Do you not get what I'm saying with SnB? [20:06] <Korynne> I play mechanical more than behaviour. [20:06] <Korynne> Mechanically, there's like a 90% chance of MZ/Marv being mafia/SK. [20:06] <@Koshi> I am just trowing this shit out htere [20:06] <@Koshi> Who knows. [20:06] <Korynne> You still wanna talk or you good with accusing me instead?  [20:07] <@Koshi> Nope [20:07] <@Koshi> I will talk [20:07] <@Koshi> And post these logs as well :D [20:07] <Korynne> whadaya wanna talk about :3 [20:07] <Korynne> oh em gee [20:07] <Korynne> better make sure i dont give off any scum tells [20:07] <@Koshi> My new theory [20:07] <@Koshi> Why is it so crazy? [20:07] <@Koshi> It actually makes perfect sense [20:07] <@Koshi> IF you 4 would be scum [20:07] <@Koshi> It's perfect scumplay [20:08] <@Koshi> I am just THE KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> Should have shot the KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> THE KOSHI* [20:09] <Korynne> lol [20:09] <Korynne> who 4? [20:10] <@Koshi> SnB Vayne Wiggles Khyronne [20:10] <@Koshi> Got to read man D: [20:10] <Korynne> no cuz [20:10] <Korynne> before you said 4 [20:10] <Korynne> without me [20:10] <Korynne> so li3k [20:10] <Korynne> Also why you keep butchering my name [20:10] <Korynne> in the most obnoxious not even close fashion [20:12] <@Koshi> Yeah I am bad with names [20:12] <@Koshi> Sorry [20:12] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:12] <Korynne> [20:12] <Korynne> Anyways [20:12] <@Koshi> rayn looks actually really town to me. [20:12] <@Koshi> But you. [20:12] <Korynne> I don't get the conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> Its not a conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> It's fits perfectly [20:13] <@Koshi> it* [20:13] <@Koshi> You guys want to lynch wrong in the MZ/marv [20:13] <@Koshi> It's perfect because both are town. [20:13] <Korynne> How do you explain layabout? [20:13] <@Koshi> Framer [20:13] <Korynne> Bro [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> if mafia managed to frame that good [20:14] <Korynne> This is a normal game [20:14] <@Koshi> Nononono [20:14] <@Koshi> Luck is good [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> Why are people popping up like 30471038571386 roles everywhere? [20:14] <@Koshi> Dnu [20:14] <Korynne> Does miller know he's miller? [20:14] <@Koshi> nope [20:14] <@Koshi> Normally not [20:14] <@Koshi> he gets VT role [20:14] <@Koshi> But who cares [20:15] <@Koshi> Let's say he is miller/framer [20:15] <@Koshi> How is it conspiracy? [20:15] <@Koshi> You 4 are activily doing this [20:15] <@Koshi> VA is being an jackass towards MZ and Marv [20:15] <@Koshi> He is being blatantly wrong about so many things [20:15] <@Koshi> While he pushes this agenda [20:16] <Korynne> What are the chances there's a framer/miller? Pretty low. [20:16] <@Koshi> You still agree SnB needs to get shot? [20:16] <Korynne> Yeah but this is MYLO. [20:16] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE ABOUT THE MILLER/FRAMER [20:16] <@Koshi> LETS SAY IT IS THERE [20:16] <@Koshi> WHAT ABOUT MY THEORY THEN? [20:16] <Korynne> Everyone's jumping their asses on SnB. [20:16] <Korynne> So that's suspect. [20:17] <Korynne> Like, everyone seems to be like, oh hey, this marv/mz thing sounsd good... NEVERMIND I VOTE SNB [20:17] <@Koshi> Nope not everybody [20:17] <Korynne> There's 4/11 mafia [20:17] <@Koshi> You 4 aren't [20:17] <@Koshi> Oats thinks marv/MZ are town [20:17] <Korynne> Yeah great scum strat, all go on the same bus, die together. [20:17] <@Koshi> MZ is being butthurt towards marv the entire game [20:17] <@Koshi> Marv is being annoyed by my stupidity [20:17] <@Koshi> You don't go to the same bus [20:18] <@Koshi> You all go to the same tactic [20:18] <@Koshi> that luckily for you got enhanced by a town plurity cop [20:18] <@Koshi> So it's amazing [20:19] <@Koshi> It fits so well [20:19] <@Koshi> insanely well [20:19] <@Koshi> like perfect [20:19] <@Koshi> it fits [20:20] <Korynne> Iunno how to explain. [20:20] <@Koshi> Ok you don't have to. [20:20] <@Koshi> PM me. [20:20] <Korynne> Like, I play mechanically, cop check is more reliable to me than reads. [20:21] <Korynne> Like, I'm not into this whole like, let's assume there's 50 roles inthe game thing. [20:22] <Korynne> I don't really believe Oats (30%?) and if he is cop then great, MZ is confirmed. [20:22] <Korynne> But no, let's all wave around the idea of framers and millers [20:23] <Korynne> I'm not defending SnB, I'm okay with lynching him yesterday (if sloosh didnt get pardoned) or tomorrow after we kill MZ scum. [20:23] <Korynne> I don't understand why the whole town seems to be like [20:23] <Korynne> oh a check, naw there's no way that's legit. [20:23] <Korynne> I mean now let's pull like 10 roles out of our asses. [20:23] <Korynne> Yeah that's about right, good. Ok, now we can lynch SnB. [20:24] <Korynne> There's 4 mafia left. [20:24] <Korynne> 1. If SnB is mafia, he's vigi. [20:24] <Korynne> 2. Mafia pardoner, either Rayn or some guy who's a pardoner. [20:24] <Korynne> 3. Yama was a silencer [20:25] <Korynne> You think they have a framer as well? [20:25] <@Koshi> Nope. Probably miller then [20:25] <Korynne> Great, so much coincidence. [20:25] <@Koshi> But you know what I think is strange [20:25] <Korynne> If miller doesn't know who he is [20:25] <@Koshi> That you don't want to accept that this is actually a legit strat [20:25] <Korynne> There's like a, 2/20 or like a 2/10 chance it lands on marv/mz. [20:26] <Korynne> It's too circumstancial [20:26] <Korynne> *circumstantial [20:26] <@Koshi> It isn't [20:26] <@Koshi> It's perfect in this theory [20:26] <@Koshi> It happned [20:26] <Korynne> Everyone just pulls roles out of their asses when they need to explain something. [20:26] <@Koshi> happened [20:26] <@Koshi> Nope [20:26] <@Koshi> Miller was there from the start [20:26] <Korynne> Well obviously he'd have to be there from the start. [20:26] <@Koshi> Indeed [20:27] <Korynne> What kind of statement is that xD [20:27] <@Koshi> And when a town cop went to look between MZ and Marv. [20:27] <@Koshi> ONLY THEN [20:27] <@Koshi> Scum made the play to lynch between these 2 [20:27] <Korynne> Why not leave layabout alive then? [20:27] <@Koshi> What? [20:27] <@Koshi> Why would they? [20:27] <Korynne> If layabout is alive right now. [20:27] <Korynne> There would be a 3rd check. [20:27] <Korynne> And we would gladly lynch whoever is the odd man out right? [20:28] <Korynne> Unless it's like, Rayn, Marv and MZ or.. iunno, whoever you want to pretend is like, the towniest of towns. [20:28] <Korynne> Or like, SnB marv and MZ. [20:28] <Korynne> Point is, if you let layabout live [20:28] <Korynne> he gets a 3rd check in [20:28] <Korynne> and it's ez pz lynch that guy [20:28] <@Koshi> Ok m8. [20:28] <@Koshi> We are different from opinion atm [20:28] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent [20:28] <@Koshi> that's ok [20:28] <@Koshi> I have been wrong so much this game [20:28] <Korynne> You know what I'm saying though [20:28] <Korynne> re layabout? [20:28] <@Koshi> Maybe this time as well :D [20:29] <@Koshi> Yup. [20:29] <Korynne> Like I dont need you to agree, I just need you to understand what I asid. [20:29] <Korynne> Ya [20:29] <Korynne> So like, you can circlejerk this shit all over the place. [20:29] <@Koshi> But you guys killed him with the plan to push into MZ/Marv [20:29] <@Koshi> After that it would be ez win for you lads [20:29] <Korynne> No but don't you see. [20:29] <@Koshi> But let's other people take a mppl at it [20:29] <Korynne> Like look. [20:29] <@Koshi> mppl = look [20:29] <Korynne> We started night at 4/13 [20:30] <Korynne> If mafia kills 2 towns, that's 4/11, AND LEAVE LAYABOUT ALIVE, ok? [20:30] <Korynne> Now layabout comes back the next day [20:30] <Korynne> he's like, yo X is same alignment as Marv/MZ. [20:30] <@Koshi> I don't care about OTHER SCUM PLAYS [20:30] <Korynne> ...? [20:30] <@Koshi> I DON'T CARE [20:30] <Korynne> Uh, wat? [20:30] <@Koshi> You say my theory is bad [20:30] <Korynne> Bad is not the right word [20:31] <Korynne> Circumstantial is the word I'm going for [20:31] <@Koshi> And you counter with another scum theory [20:31] <Korynne> and also I'm explaining why that's unlikely [20:31] <@Koshi> Nope [20:31] <@Koshi> Scum went for this [20:31] <Korynne> ? [20:31] <@Koshi> Hmm [20:31] <@Koshi> Look [20:31] <@Koshi> I want [20:31] <@Koshi> to let marv take a look [20:31] <@Koshi> :D [20:31] <Korynne> Sure you can post the logs when we're done. [20:31] <@Koshi> Let's end this here [20:31] <Korynne> Why? [20:31] <Korynne> You're like completely ignoring me. [20:31] <@Koshi> Vote for me. I don't care. [20:31] <Korynne> You're like NOPE NOPE DONT CARE BYE [20:31] <@Koshi> Yup [20:31] <@Koshi> Exactly [20:31] <Korynne> Wtf man. [20:31] <@Koshi> Bye [20:32] <Korynne> Are you serious?! [20:32] <Korynne> I have to sit here and be like [20:32] <Korynne> Oh Koshi that's an amazing theory [20:32] <Korynne> wow you just solved everything [20:32] <@Koshi> Thx! [20:32] <Korynne> You're amazing props [20:32] <@Koshi> I AM THE KOSHI [20:32] <Korynne> And then when I'm like, ehh, that seems weird [20:32] <Korynne> you're like OMG NO SHUT UP IM PASTING LOGS BYE [20:32] <Korynne> wtf? [20:32] <@Koshi> Nope [20:32] <@Koshi> I was going to post logs anyway [20:32] <Korynne> Yeah I know. [20:32] <Korynne> You said that. [20:32] <Korynne> But I don't get why I can't explain things. [20:32] <Korynne> Here [20:32] <@Koshi> I can't discuss this with you m8. [20:33] <Korynne> Why?? [20:33] <@Koshi> I think you are scum [20:33] <@Koshi> I am tunneling you [20:33] <Korynne> You're posting logs anyways! [20:33] <@Koshi> I cant think straight [20:33] <Korynne> Who cares? [20:33] <@Koshi> Ok sure. [20:33] <Korynne> if I talk more you get more evidence [20:33] <@Koshi> Keep posting. [20:33] <@Koshi> I will add your defense as well [20:33] <Korynne> Like wtf is kbye. [20:33] <@Koshi> Thats why I post logs [20:33] <Korynne> Anyways. [20:33] <Korynne> Yeah you're pasting logs, I get it. [20:33] <@Koshi> I am posting them so you can defend yourself [20:34] <@Koshi> I am not certain on you [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on VA [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on anybody [20:34] <Korynne> Why can't I defend myself here [20:34] <Korynne> instead of wasting a post [20:34] <@Koshi> Please do [20:34] <Korynne> in a post limit thing [20:34] <Korynne> No but what I was saying, before you got all kthxbai on me. [20:34] <Korynne> Is that, let us assume, Marv and MZ are not mafia, and framer/miller/wahtever. [20:34] <Korynne> Ok, so if I was mafia, I would leave layabout alive. [20:35] <Korynne> Because he'll come back during the day and be like, yo, here's my check on X, and it's same/diff as marv/mz. [20:35] <Korynne> And then you can easily get town to lynch marv/mz for being the odd man out. [20:35] <Korynne> So if they're both innocent, that's so good for mafia. [20:35] <Korynne> They can just sit back and let layabout come up with his check. [20:36] <Korynne> So I don't see why, if marv/mz are both innocent, they'd kill layabout. [20:36] <Korynne> If marv/mz is not innocent, then killing layabout prevents town from knowing which one of the two is guilty. [20:36] <Korynne> because he doesn't get his 3rd check in [20:37] <Korynne> And you're not even here are you... you're just waiting for me to be done and copy pasta. -.- [20:38] <Korynne> Like I don't think you're mafia... I'm just trying to let you see where I'm coming from. [20:38] <Korynne> And I'd appreciate it if you gave it as much thought as I gave to your theory. [20:39] <@Koshi> I was eating. [20:39] <@Koshi> Sorry. [20:40] <@Koshi> I must admit I was a bit rude before [20:40] <@Koshi> Or a lot :D [20:40] <@Koshi> I agree with what you say. That is another way scum could have played this [20:40] <@Koshi> Maybe even better [20:40] <Korynne> So like *shrug* [20:41] <@Koshi> What about we swap you and rayn in the scum list? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they didn't think about that theory? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they wanted to kill both cops? [20:41] <Korynne> I mean, Rayn is Rayn. [20:41] <Korynne> Iunno why you think Oats is fine. [20:41] <@Koshi> I have 2 theories atm [20:41] <@Koshi> Marv oats is scum [20:42] <@Koshi> And then this one [20:42] <Korynne> Rayn is rayn as in, he claimed pardoner [20:42] <@Koshi> But this one fits so good [20:42] <@Koshi> Imagine it is rayn indeed [20:42] <@Koshi> And he is the scum pardoner :D [20:42] <Korynne> But to me, this one fits so good in a like, omg look there's the face of jesus in my toast. [20:42] <@Koshi> Ah no [20:42] <@Koshi> I don't agree there [20:42] <@Koshi> You 4 are pushing into this marv/MZ thing [20:43] <@Koshi> VA is playing fishy [20:43] <@Koshi> You are trying to keep me away from SnB [20:43] <Korynne> VA seems to be defending SnB [20:43] <Korynne> I'm not keeping you away from SnB [20:43] <@Koshi> Wiggles comes to add into this MZ/Marv thing [20:43] <Korynne> me and Wiggles see the same thing I think [20:43] <Korynne> Which is like, we have a dead cop claim that these two guys are diff alignments [20:43] <Korynne> iunno why vayne is defending SnB that's just...yeah iunno. [20:44] <@Koshi> He is not only defending SnB. He is being strange all over the plae [20:44] <Korynne> Like if layabout wasn't dead today, ignoring what his check would give you, I would go for SnB. [20:44] <Korynne> Or like, if he checked SnB [20:44] <Korynne> I'm good with lynching SnB [20:44] <@Koshi> Are you now giving reasons why scum killed latabout :D ? [20:44] <Korynne> and then the guy that's scum according to layabout's check if we trust layabout [20:45] <Korynne> Basically [20:45] <Korynne> killing layabout [20:45] <Korynne> "confirms" his check [20:45] <Korynne> but [20:45] <Korynne> it doesn't confirm his alignment [20:45] <Korynne> I think ideal time to kill layabout is tonight instead of last night if mafia. [20:45] <@Koshi> That's the beauty of it. It confirms the lucky shit that 1 of MZ/marv is the miller [20:45] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent. [20:45] <Korynne> I think it makes the most sense [20:46] <Korynne> To kill layabout tonight [20:46] <Korynne> Because you get the 3 checks [20:46] <Korynne> and his confirmed alignment [20:46] <Korynne> and so you ahve to lynch the odd man out or w/e [20:46] <Korynne> you know? [20:46] <@Koshi> Maybe scum got cocky and wanted to save SnB? [20:46] <Korynne> For what? [20:46] <Korynne> He's gunna get lynched at some point [20:47] <Korynne> We're eventually gunna run out of shit to do [20:47] <@Koshi> Not when we go into the marv/MZ shit [20:47] <Korynne> Yeah but what I'm saying is [20:47] <@Koshi> And people are convinced 1 is scum [20:47] <Korynne> it's not about saving SnB [20:47] <Korynne> SnB is like, a number basically, if he's scum [20:47] <Korynne> Scum knows they can't save him, busing him is best strat probs [20:47] <Korynne> So it's not so much about saving snb [20:47] <Korynne> as like, delaying it and having him be a number [20:47] <Korynne> if that makes sense [20:48] <@Koshi> They got cocky with this. I agree with you. They got cocky and are now getting punished [20:48] <Korynne> Or like, if SnB is not scum (unlikely) then they're pushing it really hard today [20:48] <@Koshi> They should have bussed SnB [20:48] <Korynne> They still could be [20:48] <Korynne> Rayn voted for SnB [20:48] <Korynne> strongandbig (4): Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta [20:48] <@Koshi> I think Rayn is away for his Birthday [20:48] <@Koshi> And went for the easy bus [20:48] <Korynne> +marv [20:49] <Korynne> so that's 5 people on SnB already [20:49] <@Koshi> Sorry Kyronne. I really think this is it [20:49] <@Koshi> I am so confident [20:49] <@Koshi> I never felt like this in mafia [20:49] <@Koshi> never [20:49] <Korynne> lol [20:49] <Korynne> I mean if you feel it you feel it, I'm just giving my opinions. [20:49] <Korynne> We're all entitled to our own opinions and votes. [20:49] <@Koshi> Ok and I appreciate it. [20:49] <@Koshi> Yup [20:49] <Korynne> I'm just presenting my side, you're presenting yours. [20:49] <@Koshi> Let's hope that SnB flips scum [20:49] <Korynne> And if we talk this out here we save posts. [20:49] <@Koshi> And we can then decide on Marv/oats or this new crazy strat from me :D [20:50] <Korynne> Oh also. [20:50] <Korynne> What's your take on the Marv/Sloosh shenanigans? [20:50] <@Koshi> Or maybe it is SnB/Kyrone/Adam/wiggles that is scum [20:50] <@Koshi> Shit [20:50] <@Koshi> Butchered your name again [20:50] <Korynne> lol [20:50] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:50] <Korynne> even worse this time gg [20:50] <Korynne> Seems awkward though [20:50] <Korynne> 2 afks and me? (ignoring snb) [20:51] <@Koshi> I know [20:51] <Korynne> I wouldn't expect 2 afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything is possible [20:51] <Korynne> out of 4 mafia [20:51] <@Koshi> Koshi/Kyronne/Marv/VA [20:51] <Korynne> like snb is toast so w/e [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything can [20:51] <Korynne> lol no afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Put this theory [20:51] <@Koshi> But* [20:51] <@Koshi> It fits [20:51] <@Koshi> I love it [20:51] <@Koshi> If it is wrong [20:51] <Korynne> the one with you as scum? [20:51] <@Koshi> I will be sad [20:51] <@Koshi> hehe [20:51] <@Koshi> No [20:51] <Korynne> [20:52] <@Koshi> I will be like L [20:52] <@Koshi> (if you watched Death Note [20:52] <Korynne> Also you didn't answer me [20:52] <@Koshi> ) [20:52] <@Koshi> Sloosh/Marv? [20:52] <Korynne> Ya I don't remember what happens in death note anymore [20:52] <Korynne> The fact that Sloosh messaged marv [20:52] <Korynne> and was like yo SK [20:52] <@Koshi> Yeah [20:52] <@Koshi> supergay [20:52] <@Koshi> I don't know [20:52] <Korynne> Cuz like, if there is an SK [20:53] <Korynne> It's /very/ likely to be between Marv and MZ. [20:53] <@Koshi> And THAT IS WHY THESE 4 SCUM ARE DOING ALL THIS [20:53] <@Koshi> YOU FUCKING SOLVED IT [20:53] <@Koshi> THATS WHY [20:53] <@Koshi> THEY WANT THE SK [20:53] <Korynne> Wait but. [20:53] <@Koshi> Maybe there is [20:53] <@Koshi> FUCK YEAH [20:53] <Korynne> No, but problem is. [20:53] <Korynne> If there is an SK. [20:54] <Korynne> Then it's very likely that mafia has 1KP, and SK has 1 KP. [20:54] <Korynne> So doesn't that mean Marv/MZ is SK and we need to kill them first? [20:54] <Korynne> Cuz if mafia has 1 KP, then killing SnB doesn't do anything.' [20:54] <Korynne> Wait hold on [20:54] <Korynne> ok [20:54] <Korynne> let's assume [20:54] <Korynne> SnB is mafia [20:54] <Korynne> and Marv/MZ is SK [20:54] <Korynne> if we kill SnB [20:54] <Korynne> then 3/10 left [20:54] <@Koshi> We don't fucking know there is a SK [20:54] <Korynne> 2 KP at night [20:54] <Korynne> 3/8 tomorrow [20:54] <@Koshi> Kyronne. You are being scummy right now [20:55] <Korynne> ya hold on, this is an assume if there is an sk [20:55] <Korynne> bro you wanna chill while i math [20:55] <@Koshi> Math away! [20:55] <Korynne> so that's 3/8 tomorrow. [20:55] <Korynne> That's not bad [20:55] <Korynne> wait no [20:55] <Korynne> shit [20:55] <Korynne> uh [20:55] <Korynne> if it's 3/8 but there's an sk [20:55] <Korynne> uhhh [20:55] <Korynne> i dont know what that means actually [20:55] <Korynne> if there's 1 sk, 3 mafia and 4 town [20:55] <@Koshi> You should see me do maths at the end of Nuclear to lynch the SK :D. It was perfect math why town should kill the SK :D [20:56] <Korynne> What happens Koshi do you know? [20:56] <Korynne> If we end up with 1 sk 3 mafia and 4 town tomorrow [20:56] <Korynne> Is that a loss for town? [20:56] <@Koshi> It continues [20:56] <@Koshi> It always continues when SK is alive [20:56] <@Koshi> Unless 3 scum and 1 SK or something like that :D [20:57] <@Koshi> I had that problem in nuclear [20:57] <@Koshi> Stupid CaucasianAsian [20:57] <Korynne> cuz hrtr [20:57] <Korynne> *cuz here [20:57] <Korynne> http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Mislynch_and_Lose [20:57] <Korynne> it says if 1 mafia, 1 killer and 2 town then town loses [20:58] <Korynne> so wait [20:58] <@Koshi> I don't know tbh. Like what happens with 2 town and SK in the day. [20:58] <Korynne> if scum and sk left, then scum wins? [20:58] <@Koshi> I am pretty new [20:58] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE [20:58] <@Koshi> Really [20:58] <Korynne> o-o;; [20:58] <@Koshi> Do not care [20:58] <Korynne> So ok. [20:58] <Korynne> Here's the possible situations. [20:58] <Korynne> A) SnB scum, Marv/MZ both innocent [20:58] <Korynne> Whatever let's assume SnB is scum [20:59] <Korynne> B) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is scum [20:59] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is SK [20:59] <Korynne> so in A) [20:59] <@Koshi> Really m8. Are you trying to go into Marv/MZ after all? [20:59] <@Koshi> Jeez [21:00] <@Koshi> You are scum [21:00] <@Koshi> fuck this [21:00] <@Koshi> ... [21:00] <Korynne> 4/11, we kill SnB, 3/10, 1 person dies at night (mafia KP is prob #/3 if there's no SK), 3/9 tomorrow, we good. [21:00] <Korynne> Bro wtf, you jsut have to sit there why you fuck this fuck that. [21:00] <Korynne> I'm doing math can you just chill the fuck out. [21:00] <@Koshi> But this is not important [21:00] <Korynne> How is this not important [21:00] <Korynne> You don't even know where I'm going with this [21:00] <Korynne> and you say this is not imporatnt [21:00] <Korynne> You're doing it again. [21:01] <Korynne> You and friggin gumshoe. [21:01] <Korynne> Get all up on my grill for no reason. [21:01] <@Koshi> I am pretty sure this is going into we should lynch into marv/MZ to catch the SK [21:01] <Korynne> You wanna call me scum call me scum, don't get all dont listen dont care. [21:01] <@Koshi> Arfffffff Let's do math.... [21:02] <Korynne> B) SnB is dead anyways, better to have him die than Marv/MZ for mafia? [21:02] <Korynne> Math is the same as A), 3/9 tomorrow we good [21:03] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, we lynch him, 2 people die at night bceasue 1 KP mafia 1 KP sk, 3 mafia 1 SK 4 town tomorrow (no fucking clue what that means you're posting someone in thread answers hopefully) [21:03] <Korynne> If we get SK [21:03] <Korynne> that's 3/10, 1 KP at night, 3/9 tomorrow. [21:03] <Korynne> Herm. [21:03] <Korynne> So if SnB is scum. [21:03] <Korynne> wait hold on [21:03] <Korynne> if we lynch the wrong guy [21:04] <Korynne> that's 4/10, 2 KP at night, 4/8 tomorrow GG. [21:04] <Korynne> wait but [21:04] <Korynne> if SK kills mafia at night [21:04] <@Koshi> :D [21:04] <Korynne> it's 3/8, still probably GG [21:04] <Korynne> So wait [21:05] <Korynne> hmm [21:06] <Korynne> I think we're ok if there's an SK [21:06] <Korynne> So on the like 1% chance SnB isn't mafia [21:06] <Korynne> that's 4/10, SK can still hit mafia at night if he wants to win. [21:06] <Korynne> Ya ok. [21:06] <Korynne> So basically [21:07] <Korynne> we need to know what happens, win condition wise, if there's an SK [21:07] <@Koshi> SnB needs to go man. If he is town I am sorry, but I don't believe it for a moment. [21:07] <Korynne> No but see ehre's the thing [21:07] <Korynne> even if SnB isn't scum, we can still win if we mislynch him and there's an SK [21:07] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night. [21:07] <@Koshi> I don't believe in SK [21:07] <Korynne> That's not the point. [21:08] <Korynne> The point is we're still ok if SnB is not scum. [21:08] <Korynne> So TL;DR - we can lynch SnB today and we're okay EVEN IF there is an SK. [21:08] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night, if he doesn't then mafia wins over SK I think. [21:08] <@Koshi> Ugh, I don't know what to think of this last 15 minutes. Why are we talking about a SK? [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get SnB [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get marv/MZ/VA after that [21:09] <Korynne> Bro just read my TL;DR. [21:09] <Korynne> [21:09] <@Koshi> I did [21:09] <Korynne> Ya so we good for SnB today. [21:09] <Korynne> I thought we fucked if we don't catch SK if there is one. [21:10] <@Koshi> Please think hard about my theory. [21:10] <Korynne> Cuz in B), we don't care about killing snb or the scum in marv/mz. [21:10] <Korynne> But if we dont care about SK, then yeah SnB better lynch. [21:10] <Korynne> Ok, going for it. [21:10] <Korynne> Can you repeat your theory [21:10] <@Koshi> VA/Wiggles/SnB and 1 more (I think you :D) [21:10] <@Koshi> Read it [21:10] <@Koshi> jeez [21:10] <Korynne> Jeez I didn't want to scroll. [21:10] <@Koshi> arfff [21:10] <Korynne> Like, did youw rite it out above? [21:10] <Korynne> In thread? [21:10] <Korynne> Or like, you just mean names [21:11] <Korynne> I go read thread [21:11] <@Koshi> Thx. [21:11] <@Koshi> I will clean my theory up. [21:11] <@Koshi> Make it propper [21:11] <Korynne> Oh what do you mean by [21:11] <Korynne> "I was actually lying about Rayn before" [21:11] <@Koshi> You sent me a pm [21:11] <@Koshi> about SnB [21:12] <@Koshi> Then I got this insane theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Well [21:12] <@Koshi> Perfect theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Suddenly I got a clear mind [21:12] <Korynne> oh you said in threa that rayn did? [21:12] <@Koshi> No. I wanted to get you in IRC chat [21:12] <Korynne> Anyawys doesn't matter. [21:12] <@Koshi> So I first said Rayn, because you suspect rayn [21:12] <@Koshi> But I wanted you :D [21:12] <Korynne> I've got work to do. [21:12] <@Koshi> ok cool [21:12] <@Koshi> laters [21:12] <Korynne> So you write up your theory [21:13] <Korynne> I'm gunna write up the SK win conditions thing cuz neither of us knows. [21:13] <Korynne> But basically I think we're safe to lynch SnB [21:13] <Korynne> even if Marv/MZ is an SK [21:13] <@Koshi> Sexy. [21:13] <Korynne> and if that's the case, then SnB makes a better lynch. [21:13] <@Koshi> k I want you guys to look at this and agree with me it makes perfect sense? I know you guys believe it is unlikely that scum is all pushing this agenda. I already hear you saying that. But it fits so perfectly.It's simple, effective and possible. I really really believe these guys are scum and are pushing this agenda. Please look at it. and you wonder why I call you names..I have been polite and answered all your dumb questions. You just ignore my question with this post. Don't call me an annoyance when all you've been doing is living through vivax's dead body. You refuse to answer anything of relevance. At least with my crazy theories, I am open to discussing anything. SO I ask again, why do you trust oats so much when he was on VE day 1 and I was on sloosh day 1? | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:38 kushm4sta wrote: Vayne bra whats ur problem? Like why you gotta be such a d bag Probably because we have a villager that can't use logic that gonna throw the game. Might be why I'm upset idk? "better side with the guys that lynched VE and trust their ridiculous last second parity claim" Dumbest player of all time or just scum Leaning scum again | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote: 1) There is a chance that either MZ or Marv is a miller (so miller/town) 2) There is a chance that one is the SK (SK/town) 3) There is chance that it is both. (SK/miller) 4) Scum framer These 4 can be possible and neither MArv nor MZ is scum. So your willing to believe 4 unbelievably ridiculous scenarios that are based on purely the setup but fail to see the motivation behind the scum team trying to mislynch SnB for the win? Tell me why you aren't scum again? | ||
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Hopefully an SK does really exist at this point, it's our only chance. The scum put themselves out there so if you exist SK you know what to do. I'm way over my posts at this point so yea nothing more to say Oats Marv Koshi kush for dat cred at endgame | ||
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He put his vote on super late when he realized there was a chance to lynch marv but Meapak made sure it didn't happen. The hardest part is going to be dealing with who bussed SnB, we'll have to look through filters and see who voted SnB without any solid reasoning but for now going to sleep. | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:47 marvellosity wrote: Shocking result! Apologise when you're ready Vayne Good point about me not dying rayn, that's kinda irritating. My time unfortunately is totally limited today (i.e. saturday) because I'm off for a birthday party this afternoon until tomorrow. Can we have a word on non-voters please? For example Adam needs modkilling I think? sneakily hoping he's mafia Apologize for being wrong ^^? Weird, but sure. I apologize if it makes you feel better. I don't know if you read what I wrote but I did read what you wrote and it never seemed scum motivated to me because of how many people we're pushing him, but now it's obvious after tonight that he was bussed by multiple people. And yes, you need to actually look at the votecount because that would make zero sense. The votes not on SnB are not even consolidated onto you. I'm not scum but Wiggles and korynne easily could be, but that just seems way too easy for how unorganized and how noncompetitive the vote was. What I am trying to say is, if you want to just go through all 3 of us and lynch us then sure be my guest, but that clearly isn't the solution to this game if you use your brain. In my scenario there was 4 scum so it made sense, here it would have to be SnB and the 3 of us non-SnB voters to make a scum team who are not consolidated and didnt even come close to lynching some one not SnB. Makes zero sense but have at it. | ||
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On July 28 2013 03:28 Koshi wrote: So VA is saying that it would make 0 sense for SnB VA Korynne Wiggles to be all off the SnB wagon (Not that I gave 2 perfect reasons why) But he says that it would be perfectly logical for all the remaining scum the be on the SnB wagon. Awesome. Could you specifically quote where I said that? all you've done is misrepresent my posts this whole game. It's pretty fucking annoying. You are one person that will never receive an apology, because frankly you're a piece of shit. | ||
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That flip ruins any ounce of my theory being true and you are hanging onto stuff from before it? What is your motive in this game? | ||
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On July 28 2013 14:08 Mocsta wrote: (1/20) Firstly. I was reading the thread as a casual observer so am fully up to date with how the thread has played out. Secondly. I can understand why it is easy to make a statement as kush made above. However, in this instance it is incorrect. If you want to bicker over "outgaming" the mods. It is equally valid to state that if another town was modkilled, we would be back in lylo. Thirdly. Has anyone been able to do a vote count analysis on the snb lynch? I recall several said it was worthwhile, but I don't recall reading a detailed conclusion? Lastly. I have been informed I am masoned with rayn. Rayn I assume there has been dialogue between you and Adam? If so, is anything worth sharing? The analysis is basically that everyone thinks scum was stupid enough to anti-pile on SnB and somehow the logic is holding up now that korynne is dead, but I still attest that I am not scum. The other important things to note from today marv is confirmed town. There IS a serial killer. | ||
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On July 28 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote: (2/10) Don't forget rayn is confirmed town with a flipped scum pardoner. Vayne. With an SK about, is your focus this cycle to hunt SK or hunt remaining scum? Remaining scum. There's 2 left only 1 SK. Besides it seems the SK is helping us out so why bother him? Also yes, if rayn claims the sloosh pardon then we can confirm him as town given the role PM of korynne. But then I will want to know why he lied to us about that if he did indeed pardon him. | ||
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That's where I'm at right now. If it's wiggles I dont know who his partner is but if MZ flips scum I can safely say mocsta (adam) is his partner. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: please explain how I'm confirmed scum lol shit tho, that last comment. Option 2 might actually be really likely lol | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:43 marvellosity wrote: I'm basically mulling between MZ and Wiggles. MZ really seems to be my "blind spot" this game if you like. But he basically saved my ass, right? Wiggles just looks terrible in every way. well false actually. Without the threat of adam (mocsta) there way no way for you to get lynched. Even if there was a scum sitting on SnB waiting to switch, SnB still would have been lynched. So MZ's effort now looks more like an attempt to gain some cred. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:01 marvellosity wrote: What are you on Meapak? I have a greencheck on me from a flipped cop. If you died and flipped town right now I wouldn't give a shit because I still wouldn't be getting lynched because it would be totally retarded. He thinks you are godfather remember? It's no more far fetched than him being miller. That's why I think the wiggles lynch is the best today tbh. He's just laying low hoping for meapak to write his own grave probably. We should really lynch wiggles. | ||
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Marv was upset that meapak is tunneling him still and I reminded him that he thinks he could possibly be godfather. You should really re-read or something because that last post is just baffling. Also we already had a mafia pardoner flip...And if there was two it says you still can't pardon scum so idk what that is even about | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:03 VayneAuthority wrote: He thinks you are godfather remember? It's no more far fetched than him being miller. That's why I think the wiggles lynch is the best today tbh. He's just laying low hoping for meapak to write his own grave probably. We should really lynch wiggles. This is why I want to lynch wiggles. He isn't doing shit, probably just hoping to ride out the cop checks. Until he gets involved that's where my vote will be. With 2 parity cops I also find it pretty likely that there is a miller in the game so it would make sense. | ||
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On July 29 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: You, of all the guys do not trust night checks / kills. You, the same guy who says "i don't do shit on D1 because of no information from night phase" is now ignoring the night actions. You push on some retarded conspiracy theories over a confirmed cop checks assuming a godfather AND a miller AND they happened to be checked the same night by 2 different confirmed parity cops? I think you are trying to look better when Wiggles turns up scum, because SK!meapak now if alive has to help mafia, because you are in a fucking bad spot. A few things here I'm not ignoring the night actions. In fact due to the night actions and how wiggles has acted it makes him more scummy. I pushed a "retarded conspiracy theory" yesterday for my vote on marv. Why the sudden change in attitude over one that is wayyy less farfetched? IM NOT ASSUMING A GODFATHER FOR THE LAST TIME. I know its tough to read since I fail at it a lot too but you seriously need to re-read. I ONLY THINK MEAPAK IS MILLER. NOWHERE DO I THINK MARV IS GODFATHER. MEAPAK THINKS MARV IS GODFATHER. ok now that you hopefully understand that. Yea I'm bussing my last partner for cred when I can get shot at by SK at any moment and lose the game there. When I refused to bus my other teammate SnB at a way more convienent time. That makes so much fucking sense how did I not see that! Please think logically about what I just said and realize that just as I was wrong about you, you are wrong about me here. Its borderline retarded. | ||
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On July 29 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: (11/25) Freudian slip. Read the quote. Substitute Marv for vayne. I have done a detailed filter read on both kush and vayne. I personally don't like kush, but COULD see him as town. Vayne on the other hand has some characteristics that are sounding large bells. Specifically he loves to debate semantics that have no major bearing on scum hunting, and then glosses over game changers. E.g. his reaction the snb firing a vig shot was to pass it off as not alignment indicative. Where I get stuck with vayne is stuff like pointing out the korynne role pm. I found that really useful because as soon. As a I saw red pardoner I just assumed it was the logic puzzle that solved rayn so never actually read the pm... I guess the converse is that if he was scum, he was already award of korynne deficiency so it was natural to be able to point this out? I still want a wiggles lynch. Don't get me wrong, he is my focus for lynch. I'm just trying to stimulate more Convo. I really need posts btw, so if i could get some donations that would be great. if you did read my filter then you saw that I explained in pretty large depth why I saw SnB as not scummy once I put the pieces together. That was obviously wrong. You're pulling a koshi here and not moving on to the present, being static in your reads which is weird since you replaced in. I pointed out the role PM because I thought it showed that rayn had not been being truthful with us but it seems he is upholding that he never pardoned. So I guess there's a 3rd pardoner or he's still lying. Still not sure there but as you said we can take care of the weird shit the following cycle. The fact the vote is so close right now confirms my suspicion that wiggles is just going to lurk and hope for the best since he knows opening his mouth will fuck him like it did SnB. He's gonna try and drop a vote on meapak last second and see if it works. There's no doubt in my mind he's scum at this point. We gave him plenty of time. | ||
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On July 29 2013 17:11 Koshi wrote: VA. You would agree that you look insanely scummy right now? After the SnB flip you were advoacting that we had to look at the people voting SnB without reason, now after the Kyronne flip you are currently voting for Wiggles. You do realise that you are the 4th guy that was off the SnB wagon? Can we get some SK hunting in here or are we going to ignore that problem? If we would get the SK this lynch that would be perfect for town. So why are we ignoring it? My list is still the same. With marv being on top, this was his defense on my previous accusation: I love Mocsta for pointing out that hapa was able to choose green or bulletproof. That makes marv his second point perfect. Because he doesn't lie and he hides the fact he is the SK because of that. Also, why would the SK be able to choose between bulletproof and greencheck? Where did that come from? Maybe it was just being green in the setup? It looks like scum has only 1 KP this game or SK was able to always overlap with scum. So bulletproof looks pretty unlikely. Can we please discuss the SK issue? I am pretty sure that we found them scummies. No, I don't think I look scummy at all. I've been trying to solve this game the entire time, just as much as anybody else. You try to use static information to incriminate me but fail to incorporate time into the equation. Look at people for bussing SnB = before night killings voting wiggles = after korynne flip Yea I realize I am the 4th and I explained that a bit back ago as my change of heart. I did not think korynne was mafia so the fact that he was made me think differently about the whole situation. I realized that scum may have tried to use my vote to get the lynch on marv through. | ||
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The difference being that the night post is a few words and many posts in mafia are, forgive me for my bluntness, not concise and tedious to read. I end up skimming a lot of the long winded ones. I disagree that your read wasn't static as the SnB thing basically happened ages ago in game time but whatever. a few questions for you What do you make of the many strange posts that have happened lately (rayn randomly flipping out, koshi/marv argument, etc) Do you have any evidence that would contradict that you and Meapak are the last two scum? and finally, koshi = annoying self reightous town or bussing scum mastermind? | ||
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On July 30 2013 02:30 Mocsta wrote: (14/25) VA Cut the shit 1.U specifically said I'm "pulling a koshi". That is simultaneously dropping koshi credit and associating me with that drop in credit. 2. My problem with your play is that you keep getting involved in brawls of minor co sequence. You just now use that as an excuse to call me static, because u have gone over it before. Yet I could easily say its just as excuse for u to look like u contribute. 3. The snb criteria may have happened many moons ago, but everything in Mafia is about reinterpreting OLD information with NEW flips. Why are u trying to actively discourage me from rereading the game? As for ur q. I'm OK with koshi. I think he is an excited townie. I liked his PMS with korynne,. I like rayn. If he was anti-town trying to score town cred early game.. I'm sure his filter would read as flying under the radatr. Its not though. My leap of faith is town. He's self fulfilling anyways, because if 1 Mafia remainsa. Can always lynch rayn. If towqn, he can pardon himself.... As for Marv. I'm stuck with mz. I refuse to think mz is Mafia based on the coordinated bussing. Serial killer is a possibility. Both are standing by the green checks.. I dont like how mz caved and assumed Marv was green though. Its like he pulled out of the conflict and capitulated before it became a shit storm. Whereas I think a townie would most likely have stayed in the shitstorm. 1 and 2 contradict each other here, you criticize me in 2 for getting into little brawls or whatever but you specifically want to argue semantics with me in 1. Not that that is alignment indicative but it is pretty annoying tbh, especially when I can hear the accusatory tone in your post. I'm actively discouraging you from re-reading the game because you are not using it to your advantage, just flinging shit at me with age old manure. I really doubt rayn can pardon himself, that would be pretty dumb. We don't even know if he's actually a pardoner at this point with how secretive he's been lately. besides fighting with me and a few snide comments he's been much less active than before. | ||
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On July 30 2013 03:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Fun fact of the Day: On Day 1, not a single scum voted for MZ. Here's my PMs with him, in case you missed them earlier in the thread: + Show Spoiler + You're oddly quiet, what do you think about a layabout, sloosh, s&b scum team? Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Looks like there's more pressure on you today. I don't think you're the best lynch though. Are you planning on stopping it yourself? I'd be willing to help try to move the lynch off of you, but that would be awkward without basically posting everything here. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: There is no such role as SK in this game and yet when I mentioned it FT was rearin to go and kill Ace. SK's are very bad for scum and it's easy to look townie going after an SK. It was an easy bait and FT jumped on it. I was just trolling but FT had a really bad reaction. Maybe he's town since he quoted the PM, we'll see if he gets modkilled. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: What are your thoughts on Vivax, and what do you think of Kholly's claim? I ask because Vivax masoned me, and we talked for a while. Some of what he was saying made sense, but if he's actually mafia, it would be useful information, since he was pushing certain people quite hard in PM. I'm not sure if I believe Kholly. He's been trolling the whole game, and in my communications with Vivax, he didn't come off as scum to me. So, there's a discrepancy between my own reads and what Kholly's saying, and based on kholly's performance so far, I don't see much of a reason to believe him. Do you actually think FT is scum? I'm not sure of it. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not gonna say this in the thread but Ace worries me a lot and I would be so happy if he was dead. As for S&B, he says he's suspicious of Ace, Sloosh, and layabout. Those are personally fine scum reads in my book but he also jumped on the FT lynch wagon very fast for someone who is supposedly suspicious of Ace. I'm gonna keep trolling the thread for a while but I'm really interested to see who keeps pushing FT now that Ace has revealed he was lying. What are your thoughts? If you think S&B is really that scummy you should analyze his ass. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: What are your thoughts on Strongandbig? What are your thoughts on the lynch today? What do you think of Ace's trolling? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Yeah my alignment is gonna be wifom for you atm and for that I apologize, I'm town but I don't expect you to believe that. My behavior is a result of me genuinely missing the beginning of the game so I decided just to go balls out and play my scum meta until someone noticed. I was really hoping you would get a wagon started because I look like such lynchbait but that didn't happen. I'm fairly certain VE is town. I've tried to kill him multiple times for similar behavior and he has an annoying knack for flipping town. I also don't think Tofu is scum, I just get a townie vibe from him and his posts thus far seem very genuine and not at all the way DrH is portraying them. I wouldn't at all mind seeing DrH dead since he's just being so toxic which is why I'm voting him. That and I'm really not too motivated to try and whip up an entirely new lynch in the waning hours before the deadline. I am currently extremely concerned by sandroba's absence, I was actually planning on PMing him right off the bat but he's been afk and that makes me nervous. Aside from him there are an irritating number of inactive people. I have to be perfectly honest, I have not been reading this game very carefully thus far, I was hoping I could get a wagon started on me and thus maybe catch a few scum being sloppy bandwagoners but that didn't pan out. The issue is the longer I play this way, the more legitimate the case against me will become so sometime tonight I'm gonna have to invest some time in so I'm properly caught up. As for possible scum reads, at the moment I have layabout since he's been jumping back and forth on reads basically depending on who is active in the thread. He promised a case on vivax and then never followed through. I'm not vivax's special friend, you're the only person I've masoned thus far. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: I'm not too sure. I'm not really convinced at the moment either of Dr. H or Tofu are scum, at least not enough to lynch them. I felt like the VE case was alright, but as we get closer to the deadline and how people are acting about it, I'm less sure. Lynching someone like Malongo feels like a waste and a coinflip. I'm a bit back and forth on Strongandbig, and someone else who's sticking out to me a bit now that I'm looking at more filters is Hiro. He's playing very neutrally and making an effort to explain things or ask questions while not really doing too much. For example, he hasn't offered much on who the thinks scum are besides quite lightly pushing Sloosh, but not putting too much effort into getting him lynched. He says he thinks sloosh is scum, votes for him, but in his later posts never mentions him again, even though he isn't leading in votes. It makes it seem like he doesn't care that much who gets lynched. So, probably one of those two. Strongandbig I'm going back and forth on, and after reading again, Hiro looks scummy. A better question, is who do you think is scum? If your behaviour is on purpose to see who would call you scum, how am I supposed to think you're town? It's quite WIFOM-y isn't it? Are you Vivax's special friend? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: So you're the only person who noticed I was basically playing my scum meta so you're smart enough for me to PM. If you could lynch someone other than me who would it be? Also keep pushing me in the thread, I'd rather you not reveal I've PM'd you. His excuse for playing as scum the first two days was that it would trick scum into voting for the easy bandwagon. But, with all the flips, that obviously wasn't the case. As for who the SK is, pick your poison. Behaviourally, MZ is incredibly absent. I haven't talked to him much since Day 2, but he hasn't forced the issue of talking to me either, besides one PM. As well, in his PMs with Rayn that got linked, he says "Let's solve the game!", but then he only gives a half-assed read on me and calls Marv an SK. It's clear he doesn't really care about figuring out who scum are. Marv on the other hand has more mechanics evidence against him in the form of the checks. Everyone's yelling he was framed or that MZ is a miller, but an easy explanation is that FirmTofu was framed on Night 1. With two parity cops, a framer isn't impossible, but no one seems to care. Marv is happy to scream that he has a green check, but the checks aren't useful since both only got 2 checks off, so there's no reference for tampering. As well, there looks to be a missing KP on Night 2, and it was on Day 3 that sloosh said Marv checked as an SK. No one claimed the extra KP on Night 1, or on Night 4, and no one claimed a hit on Night 2. So, it's not inconceivable that scum hit him, he didn't die, and they know there's extra KP, so they know there's an SK, and have a good idea that it's him. He's also just OMGUS-ing everyone who calls him scum, which makes him look worse and petulant. So, choose between the guy who doesn't care at all and is sort of floating along, and the guy who seems to care to much and has mechanics evidence against him. If the next scum who knows he's going to be lynched would just come out and tell the thread what mafia know about an SK, it would probably make things easier for their team. The only person who looks exceedingly towny to me is Koshi. Rayn looks ok too, but the pardoner stuff means he should still have a little suspicion on him. My gut's telling me VA looks towny, but maybe not. Kush is probably scum just trying to fit in. I'm not sure what to think of mocsta since he replaced in. His posts look good, but it's not hard to do that when you can start off fresh. 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You just have to realize that just as my theory was wrong, yours also has holes now that we figured out wiggles is town. So please just think about the game for a second if you are town and stop tunneling crazily on me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:42 Mocsta wrote: (1/10) u guys are jumping around accusing everyone and it does is to create an environment of zero trust. there are 4 town left, so clearly there are some we can treust. please, if you want to accuse people then bring out the quote evidence that actually suggests they are scum. yes.. it sucks wiggles was town... some might say, if vayne was ya #2 read and voted wiggles, why would you follow. fair question. I voted wiggles because I didn't like the timing of the afk, and I felt if scum, vayne had no issues to bus and he already voted snb, sloosh etc. so wiggles would be no different. I didn't vote for SnB yo, given his personality I thought he was town. I was clearly wrong. Sloosh was obvious as fuck, he's really useful as town. and fair point, people thought I and wiggles was scum together yet voted with me on him, makes zero sense. guess our answer lies in who switched to wiggles without sufficient reason? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:53 Mocsta wrote: (2/10) vayne everyone knows kush LOVES to be right and LOVES to bus. do u find it oddnhe declared wiggles as 70% scum, but wouldn't justify it? yea I do. I pretty much replaced wiggles with kush in my mind. I really don't see anyone else it could be. | ||
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On July 31 2013 12:14 Mocsta wrote: (2/25) sorry Marv, said that in haste I meant to say I like koshi as scum2 based on how upset he got when I called kush scum yesterday. will need to reread korynne pm logs though. and I would rather vote mz than vote Marv currently. vayne, do u have a preference? dude, kush bussed his partners every single day. Look at who he was on yesterday. its obvious as fuck LOL. | ||
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On August 01 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote: MZ looks pretty atrocious now that kush has flipped actually. atrocious xD? try confirmed. I think that's why the SK shot him. There was no reason to be on MZ by yourself last night unless your fucking kush trying to bus your entire team the entire game. LOLZ | ||
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I'm pretty sure Koshi is town besides the fact that he was just using vivax as a puppet for a while and the case I made on him early in the game, but a lot has happened since then Honestly it's either you or marv for SK...so if you are town you should realize that if you truly think marv is the godfather, (which is dumb btw since scum has been hinting they have a rolecop as their last role all game) then idk what to tell you. Everything points to meapak being the last scum at this point and if meapak flips rolecop scum then we know that marv is some sort of godfather SK role imo. | ||
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has the different check from FT. kush bussed every teammate so far scum hinted they have rolecop (only 1 scum left, doubtful godfather) the sloosh PMs everything points to MZ being the last scum. Marv can still be godfather SK but that's SO much more unlikely. Let's keep in mind that with koshi too it's a way less sure thing. Do you see why MZ is the proper lynch here? if you can debunk this, i will do whatever you want lol! | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Vayne is town, Mocsta is SK. Koshi is town. This game is solved as far as I'm concerned. Mocsta is constantly and consistently pushing me as SK with no rational basis. It makes literally no sense unless he's the SK himself. I'll vote MZ with you though Vayne. ##Unvote ##Vote: MZ That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. SK in this scenario would try to push obvious town, then with 4 left hes protected by his BP vest so he just has to hope scum shoots town and he can guess shoot the last mafia freely. I don't see any other reason for him to push such an unlikely scum candidate | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:54 Mocsta wrote: the way I see the game is this. koshi is playing innocent noon town you and I play a similar town game, in the sense of get into peoples faces. I refuse to think you are SK, and u r certainly not scum. the fact that its only u and me trying to figure this out a deeply suggests we are both town regardless. this leaves Marv and mz as final two anti town... I don't care who is scum or SK, I just am certain both are anti town. whosws harder to lynch in general... mz or Marv? my concern is... if we lynch mz... and Marv shoots you or me... that we might not be able to convince koshi to vote with us, as he seems to be a kindred spirit... that is why I prwgere Marv over mz... 2 scenarios for me I'm gonna try and work with you on this ok we flip MZ and he's scum. Marv would have to be a godfather SK role which is extremely unlikely. if he actually rolled that and got the parity cop checks like that then he deserves to win due to sheer luck. ok we flip MZ and he's SK. Marv would have to be godfather last scum and have faked those sloosh PMs and a bunch of other crazy shit. If he actually went through all that then so be it, but I can't believe that for a second. | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote: (9/25) firstly, if u r referring to me pushing Marv.. that means u think he is unlikely antitown? when previously u said SK could be me or him. secondly, you yourself said that scum should have role cop left... who pardoned sloosh then? it's not ideal to assume motives are based on things you can not prove, I.e, bp vest yea I had a sort of revelation then as to why you might be doing this, doesn't have to be correct. I was wrong about the oats/marv thing. At this point, as I pointed out in my post above. YES, I find it very hard for marv to be antitown given those 2 scenarios. It's way too ridiculous. The sloosh pardon is still a mystery, can't wait for endgame to see wtf happened there since rayn was actually town. BP SK is the most common form of it, so I think it's safe to assume that. | ||
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I dont know what your so worried about | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:53 VayneAuthority wrote: That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. SK in this scenario would try to push obvious town, then with 4 left hes protected by his BP vest so he just has to hope scum shoots town and he can guess shoot the last mafia freely. I don't see any other reason for him to push such an unlikely scum candidate because of this unless you have a different theory MZ. SK wants to hit town in this scenario for sure. | ||
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If we lynch marv and he is town wtf would you do at that point? You still don't know what MZ or koshi is. I don't see why you want to make the really unlikely lynch before the obvious lynch. | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Think for a second about why someone would be more scared of marv than me. The only situation that makes sense is that you think mocsta is the last scum and marv is the SK, which I find really unlikely as I already stated because that would mean hes a godfather SK which is pretty dumb. It's possible but I always play by percentages and I'm not about to stop. If you are town then koshi is anti-town, thats all I can make of it. but I have no way of knowing that you are town with the severe evidence against you and I'm not about to just take your word for it =/ | ||
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On August 01 2013 19:48 Koshi wrote: Maybe you should put some more fucking time in it? I know I am far from good at this game, but with propper guidance I actually find scums from time to time, or at least I get more useful. You didn't help your fellow townies and you got punished it's your own fault. But chances are high you are the SK if MZ flips scum. Very very high. Sorry but I've been over this, that makes little sense. If MZ is scum, it makes it high unlikely that marv is SK because he would have to be a godfather SK role which is absurd to think about. Like I said, if he honestly has that role and got the parity check and everything then he deserves to win due to sheer luck. It's only if MZ flips SK that there is a decent chance of marv being mafia godfather but I don't think this is going to happen given kush. If kush actually set us up for this then I'll have to give him more credit in future games. | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You guys are being dense. Start thinking about the game with me being town now so that you have a jumpstart on tomorrow. if you are town then don't we lose anyway? What would there be to talk about tomorrow if your town | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote: What that guy said. I do hope you're town Vayne, if you're non-town and the only one speaking sense I will be sad I'm not scum or SK. | ||
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if MZ flips last scum, as he should, then that almost clears marv for me. if MZ flips SK, then I will be looking into marv pretty hard tomorrow if MZ flips town, we are fucked =/ but he has done nothing this game and the check and the kush bussing...doubt this happens | ||
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Marv has to be a godfather scum and faked sloosh PMs with him for no fucking reason. And a lot of other crazy shit Marv has to be godfather SK ---> this is just lolz No way are you going to get me to vote marv at this point but you don't even need my vote so w/e. I won't be a part of that. As to your other point, I would be anxious too to be town confirmed by a check so I don't think its weird at all. i think at this point last scum took MZ's advice and is now going for an SK lynch, but marv is like the last possible person that could be SK, lol unless he got insanely lucky. | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:32 Koshi wrote: Are you saying I am scum? Because that is ridiculous. I have to see the flip to know where to go. If MZ is last scum as I suspect its either you or mocsta if MZ is SK then I do think it is marv. | ||
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You know AtE doesn't work on me and just because MZ is resorting to that doesn't mean he's town. It usually just means he has no logical way to get him outself out of his predicament so he has to resort to playing your heart strings. | ||
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appeal to emotion If marv is mafia to you then why were scum refusing to vote for meapak early and why is kush bussing him, etc I assume you thought he was SK cause you leave a lot of questions unanswered on why MZ is not the last scum | ||
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FT same alignment as marv but meapak not same alignment as marv wat? no scenario here makes sense | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote: clearly Marv is a framer and framed ft night1 anyways, if u were town u r worse than mz for letting this happen that doesn't make sense dude. A scum framer and a framed person would come back as same alignment. Stop getting upset and see that there is clearly something wrong here | ||
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MZ could have easily voted for marv if he actually wanted to win. I assumed with his random vote that he didn't care and therefore scum | ||
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I got mod confirmation, If mafia and SK are the last two standing then we both win. I am the last scum. I am going to shoot marv. If you are SK marv and can prove it with all your night shots and what not then ill reconsider. Whoever is SK should shoot the remaining town and we both win. If you want to backstab me, go for it, but I think I played well enough here to deserve the win as well. | ||
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On August 02 2013 19:53 Koshi wrote: Anyway, VA played it very good. I still can't find evidence that he is the scummer except 1)for my tactic and his reaction to that 2) him trying to save SnB. On August 02 2013 22:15 Koshi wrote: Anyway, I 'll admit as well. I am the scum and I guess VA is SK. VA just shoot marv. I will shoot mocsta. you know this makes no sense right ? So no one wants to claim SK?ask host yourself, both auto-win for us if you just claim with your shots everyday -_- I can't backstab you due to BP vest only thing that can happen is you backstab me. You have literally 0 risk here | ||
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cya later | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/4NsAEe2dNT62Z | ||
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I forgot by the end of the game due to the layabout parity check that fucked everyone over. That was the game right there. Agreed with everything else though ( skimmed it ) | ||
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On August 03 2013 13:34 Mocsta wrote: thnx for the write up lol vayne, Marv got me off u in pm land and I never turned to look back  well in the 3 games I have played with him he has read me wrong every time so that should have made me scummier! | ||
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if i have any control over the scum team I will blue snipe if it's post wise then I don't agree since I change it up pretty much every game | ||
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On August 04 2013 04:03 Blazinghand wrote: didn't town like only lynch scum and still lost? how was town OP? you aren't taking into account the amount of modkills there was and the fact that we bluesniped pretty much everything. I am never one to complain about balance in games that I play though, so just an observation. I felt the game was fun overall but was slightly ruined by the layabout fake claim as town but just a mistake and no big deal. | ||
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