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On May 28 2013 06:42 Stutters695 wrote: /in ##shoot Vivax | ||
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I JUST DELETED MY MASSIVE POST FUCK MY LIFE | ||
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First of all, I have three exams in the upcoming weeks, the 10th my oral as addendum to my written exam of today, two other written ones with two other orals, then another written one the 26th without oral. This is a disclaimer for everyone who will try to judge me on my activity. I should be reading books, not mafia, and I will give my best with the time I have. Judge me on the content of my posts. If anyone tries to dig up some meta shit or activity argument to push my lynch, they will be claiming scum in the thread, and I will hit them so hard that they will regret herping so hard that they derped. Now, off to le notions I have to rewrite, I'm slightly drunk sorry. @ Stutters Your case against prplhz is that you think he's wrong about what he says in his case, and that he plays differently from his past games. Nothing in what you say proves a scum mentality. You prove he's wrong about Zeph with more meta about Zeph. All your arguments seem to be meta, can you at least find me one that isn't? | ||
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On June 04 2013 10:00 s0Lstice wrote: Are you turning a new leaf stutters?  Answer honestly, is this the first time you've proposed a lurker lynch? On June 04 2013 10:18 Stutters695 wrote: Out of curiosity s0l what were you hoping to learn from that question? Not exactly a soup quotation. On June 04 2013 10:23 s0Lstice wrote: Nothing really. Just a lil flight of fancy/fun. Of substance though, I have an early, tentative townread on you (Stutters) and layabout. Stutters for general thread presence/comfort/activity and layabout for picking on probably the scummiest post that has been made so far. Thoughts? 1 )S0lstice giving out townreads here to the guy questioning him about his own question strikes me as defensive. He says layabout picked on the scummiest post so far. He asks about thoughts on his townreads, and also asks it to his townreads, I presume, since he is telling stutters that he has a townread on him. 2 ) What's the scummiest post? A jokey post by Jay where he "pokes Vayne with a stick" after he said he would post nothing. Layabout goes as far as to call it pressure, s0lstice piggybacks on it to call it a case. The other part of it is Jay referring to himself as lynch bait and complaining about unknown players. Too bad for s0lstice, Jay is indeed the biggest lynch bait I have probably seen on this forum. Hence, I have two questions for you, s0lstice: 1) Why do you ask people about thoughts on townreads, and what pushed you to give them out in that situation? I can understand giving out townreads when you want to lynch someone over somebody else, and one of them is town in your opinion as opposed to your scumread, but I don't see the purpose in that situation, other than making yourself look like contributing after someone pointed out your question being kind of pointless. 2) Did you ever play with Jay? I might understand you growing suspicious of his defensive posting if that's not the case. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ @ Sentinel So far I've almost only seen setup talk and an unexplained vote from you. Could you give me a more substantial, as in read-related impression of players? | ||
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While I agree that meta is overrated, this clearly shows prplhz bloating up an issue. The rest of your arguments revolve around the meta he tries to use against Zephir, one game is mexican standoff so it's not a game of mafia, it's a Caller game. I want to see what he has to say to it before jumping to conclusions though. Your turn now, tell me what you think of the points I brought up about s0lstice, and the points he brought up about Jay. | ||
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On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote: Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice Do you think that his attack on you alone, in that way, warrants him being scum?Did you guys ever play together? I find your vote to be kinda rushed. What's your opinion on stutters case against prplhz? | ||
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On June 05 2013 06:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: WoS seems like someone suitable for sheeping ##Unvote ##Vote: WaveofShadow What of the points against him makes your wool grow? I would like to know the reasons for finding him scummy from your own mouth. | ||
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On June 05 2013 07:01 Stutters695 wrote: Well I'm not really sure what else I can do to convince you on prpl if everyone has just decided meta is bad. He's demonstrably misconstrued posts for his only real contribution to the thread in addition to the meta but once he keeps this up I'm sure you'll all come around so whatever. I don't agree with your conclusion Vivax. Your points in isolation of the thread would be very scummy but I agree with his points on Jay. I also haven't played with Jay so if this is his MO then I'll re-evaluate but I understand your conclusion, but given his other posting and his case on Jay I don't think he's a d1 lynch. What I think of meta + Show Spoiler + You can build perfectly valid cases on people without using meta, I'm confident in that. If anything, experienced scum can talk hours about meta and pull all sorts of arguments out of their ass when it suits them. Someone uses an argument for someone being scum, they pull out a game where he did the x scummy thing as town. But they will never pull out a game where that someone did the same as scum, to make an example. They will always remember the stuff that best fits their current purposes, be it a tunnelly townie or scum. Additionally, there are schedule differences, learning effects, and the simple fact that every game is unique. The thing you can somewhat meta is probably player skill, the times he gets lynched as what alignment, times he guesses scum right etc, but it's a bold guess. If you want to use meta go ahead, but expect me to look at it queerly and to be unlikely to convince me on someone. I don't agree with your conclusion Vivax. Your points in isolation of the thread would be very scummy but I agree with his points on Jay. I also haven't played with Jay so if this is his MO then I'll re-evaluate but I understand your conclusion, but given his other posting and his case on Jay I don't think he's a d1 lynch. What points do you mean would be very scummy. Who is "his" (did you mean me or s0lstice). Who is not a D1 lynch, s0lstice or jay? I have some trouble understanding what you mean here. | ||
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On June 05 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: The only person I find particularly scummy atm is jaybrundage however I have been informed that he is 'lynchbait' and as such we should just give him a free pass. Who am I to argue with better players such as Vivax? You are misrepresenting what I said. No one gets a free pass for anything, lynch bait or not. If you think jay is scum, present your arguments. You said earlier in very aggressive tone, that everyone is free to make a case whenever they want, why do you think my opinion on jay would be a reason for you to hold your own arguments back now? What I said was: s0lstice argued for jay being scum cause he found him suspicious for saying that he's lynch bait. I rebutted that it's true. @ Sentinel You posted this: Basically he's saying that by accusing him it stirs up discussion. But why? If attention is on him, as town it's crappy play because it distracts others from finding scum, and as scum he can WIFOM his way to finding a different lynch target. I don't think perfectly good townplay involves painting yourself red to see who comes out of the woodwork. This is where Zeph comes in to push WoS's intentions and WoS retorts that it's scummy to lynch him after he's explained his motivations. I find his motivations scummy however, hence I want to lynch him. You say WoS' motivations are scummy, but I see you saying that you don't think perfectly good townplay involves etc. That's no explanation of his motivations, that's what you think of his play. Even if it's bad, what's the scum motivation behind it that you see? Can you comment on the points SlOosh raised in his case against you? | ||
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On June 05 2013 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax, thoughts on Ace? He has to make clear if and why he intends to stay on the WoS wagon after his initial vote which seems like a pressure vote. Other than that, he discussed strategies related to the setup. Not enough to go to make a read on him. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:02 mkfuba07 wrote: Sorry, passed out soon after my post. There's been lots of unexpected stuff popping up, distracting me from the game. The most concerning one is taken care of, so I'll be less distracted. If you'd insisted on an answer, I probably would have said vayne, since he's the one that's been on my mind the most, and I saw him as having the most potential to be scum, despite not having done anything I would call overtly scummy. Can you word the reasons you have for thinking Vayne could be scum? | ||
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If you're so sure about WoS being scum, what are you trying to achieve by claiming you want to kill ace and writing that bit about layabout? | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:57 layabout wrote: Vivax i reckon at least one of the people on the WoS wagon is scum. What do you think? I agree, and after that last post it's likely to be Rayn. ##Vote Raynpeelikoneet All aboard the wagon of justice | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't like this. ##vote:WaveofShadow ? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Vayne | ||
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Why do you think is fuba scum? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Rayn Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Lets remember that you shot wrong as vig in carnival and call it a day. You aren't superior in any way. I'd shoot you any day for the way you play. I shot you precisely cause you didn't contribute, except for flaming Prom. | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:33 VayneAuthority wrote: And people called my gut read on prp bullshit and he was scum, nuff said So did they call my case shit when I wanted to lynch him D1. I don't recall you being one of the supporters. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Your mom is still fat Vayne, what are the odds for you lynching Fuba is all that's there to witness his scumminess are your guts? Do you want us to spill them? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Here's the thing Vayne. You don't have to write long posts that are right or wrong, but you have to do something useful if you actually care about winning this game as town. If you're scum then continue to play as you are, I guess. Vivax, if you had to lynch someone other than Rayn, who would it be? Sentinel? I'm still waiting for Sentinel to answer a bunch of questions, but I don't see much reason to lynch him yet, I would like him to answer to SlOosh's case cause it raises some valid points. If I had to lynch someone else, it would probably be Vayne, but he plays so carelessly that it gives me doubts. Rayn is probably our best bet anyway. | ||
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Oats is the cop check. We lynch him first, ez. | ||
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On June 07 2013 20:43 prplhz wrote: Why do you want to lynch someone because he is the cop check and why are you saying "first"? Who do we lynch second then? Cause the other option is that we lynch ace first. | ||
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On June 07 2013 05:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: prplhz - 7/10 scumpoints for his questionable defense of rayn which may or may not be motivated by meta (2 above neutral for his flip flop) vayne - 9/10 scumpoints from bringing nothing of value and defending rayn oats - 6/10 scumpoints because although his godforsaken ace push is angering me, he's using what little substance he offers to pressure me into a lynch. rayn was ignoring me (I maintain that he was setting me up). vayne looks like he's ignoring half the players in this game too (including at least one scum). oats is taking the spotlight to lead who he (mistakenly) thinks is town. he gets one scumpoint for the ace push and is otherwise a neutral (but incredibly pithy!) player. On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice? ##unvote ##vote: ace At first glance this post looked really scummy for the reasons he used to switch to ace, but it provides valuable information. Sentinel is basing all his reasoning on two other people being scum, while having Oats as scummy as well (I disagree with the notion but it's probably town-motivated) Now, imagine Oats is scum and Sentinel too. That doesn't really fit, right? Sentinel has been pushing Oats throughout D1, then he added Vayne and prplhz as his scumreads, and ace revealed the cop check, and Sentinel thinks "Oh well two scummers are on another scummers' wagon so ace is scum", and Oats can't be scum. What has been going on here? These are the explanations: 1: Sentinel is scum, Oats is miller and ace is cop. Sentinel lynches Ace and still can lynch Oats afterwards. (improbable) 2: Sentinel is scum, Oats is standard town and ace is scum. Sentinel busses ace over his scumread for maximum town cred cause he knows that whatever happens, ace will die after Oats. (improbable, he has been pushing Oats all the time before) 3: Sentinel is town and genuinely thinks that Oats can't be scum cause two other scum reads vote for him, discarding the possibility that they know that Oats will die sooner or later. (probable) That means that, in case of an Oats red flip, Sentinel is town. And in case of an Ace red flip, he's also town, simply cause I don't see him going for an ace bus when all he has been doing so far in the game would have allowed him to keep pushing Oats instead of ace. If Oats was miller, then the reasoning is obviously useless, but I guess we have to gamble here. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night. Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start. If you still think that Oats could be town, go read what Zephir wrote about him in his analysis post before dying: Oatsmaster: I would lynch rayn today too, => I could lynch both Sent and rayn though => directly asks rayn why didnt he want to lynch ace => I wanna lynch Rayn and stutters and Ace today, => Im not feeling this rayn lynch anymore. Note: rayn's response was "Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything." | ||
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a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. On June 08 2013 06:10 layabout wrote: I feel like my reads are good right now and town is in a good spot but i'm nervous about oatsmaster since i can see him being town and i really don't want us to get screwed by a miller check. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town? | ||
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On June 08 2013 06:37 jaybrundage wrote: I havent read over Sent too recently but i dont like your train thought so let butt in. Let me explain it like your 5 years old. (Dont be condescending cause then people can just throw it back in your face.) Sent was pushing Oats. Unlike what you believe SCUM CAN PUSH EACH OTHER *GASP* (You're like five so you prolly didn't know that) Also here is another scenario this one is partly off what kita said. Scum sent can just make up reads and use them to change his votes. They don't have to be legitimate reads Well, you're free to try and convince me to go for Sentinel. There's always the chance that I'm wrong, and I'd rather hear your arguments for him being scum, rather than to push the improbable option that he was bussing his teammate since really early to distance himself from Oats. | ||
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On June 08 2013 22:22 layabout wrote: No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else. Exactly what I thought, it'd be a waste of a check. | ||
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On June 08 2013 22:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: So you guys are both advocating that if Oats flips green, we still don't check Ace tonight right? Because if it would be a waste of a check when we lynch outside of Ace/Oats, it would be even more of a waste if we lynch a town Oats first. If Oats flips town ace gets lynched next, cop must not check ace but somebody else like Sentinel. | ||
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On June 09 2013 21:16 layabout wrote: + Does anybody even want another red check? What does this even mean? It's DEMOCRACY TIME | ||
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 Got my chemistry oral tomorrow, otherwise I don't really give a fuck about this game, until this cop business is done I don't even need to analyze jack. Byebye | ||
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I'm currently assuming that ace is scum, and since scum knew what he was about to do before D2, they could have started to set themselves up for his later lynch. Kita switching from ace to Oats wasn't really all that transparent, and he should be smart enough to know that we would not lose the cop by lynching the claimer, so I don't understand his preference there. If I had a town read on Oats, I might reconsider, but with him flopping from Sent to prpl and then considering for a moment that someone other than Ace should be lynched, I didn't see where Oats made that flip-flop, so I would like Kita to show me where he got that notion, what I mostly recall from Oats were posts like this: On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me. Dont derail this. If you derail this, its scummy. Dont do it I went on to check kita's earlier posts cause his latest questions to Ace could be construed as a distancing attempt, they are not really that useful and ace doesn't have to answer them anyway. He was mostly threatening to switch his vote to ace if he didn't answer them, but Oats still had the majority, and why should you need your N1 suspect to convince you to not vote for him? I'm curious to see if kita really had such good reasons to prefer Oats over ace after he had written those points against ace during N1. | ||
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What's the point of me writing up a case against my scum buddy Ace and then having him cop claim 5 minutes later. I'd know he was cop claiming ahead of time so I'd obviously want to set myself up to side with him like everyone else. The point is exactly that it would give you massive cred. On night one he wanted to lynch sent because he was convinced he scum slipped. After the cop check, he brought up that he wanted to lynch outside of Ace/himself and lynch prpl, before it was pointed out that we could reduce the mafia kp. Can you link me to the post? I must have missed it <_< | ||
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On June 09 2013 23:39 Shakalaka wrote: <TehJob> Can I ask something of you <TehJob> But you can't post in the thread <TehJob> Answer the poll I'm going to link with "town" <TehJob> watch the consequences <TehJob> But it's a thread where only mafia players can post <TehJob> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632¤tpage=52#1031 No idea who or what, but probably relevant to the interests of this thread in some way. TehJob is webchat@109.112.120.16 * http://webchat.quakenet.org LOL hilarious | ||
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Are you sure it was after the claim? You asked Oats yourself why he thinks that prplhz is town, now you quote him saying he's scum. On June 07 2013 23:45 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain why prpl is town and why sent is scum (outside of a slip?). Also, a guess regarding the 4th suspect and a case would be helpful. Thoughts about layabout? | ||
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If he's town then, yeah ok we saved a townie but we also lynched one, and there's always the risk that he rolled godfather or that scum got cop again, albeit being a small risk. If Ace is town the best thing to do is check him to stop a mislynch. If Ace is scum then checking him should confirm that. There is a risk associated with checking him but that cannot be helped. But i would rather we take it than mislynch and have only day1 where people had to justify their votes beyond it being the perceived optimal play because of a check. But do you feel that ace has a sufficient chance of being town? I found his way of talking to Oats suspicious tbh, he already knew that he was scum but he almost sounded as if he wanted to convince him of his own innocence IIRC. At least that's the impression I got from checking their interactions. | ||
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On June 10 2013 06:10 Ace wrote: I dont have one on him How about a | ||
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On June 10 2013 06:13 Ace wrote: Suspicious? :/ Seriously how many ways can you guys stretch things? If my name wasn't Ace no one would be questioning that check. There's some bias going on with scum motivation to get me lynched. Can one person tell me how a Town Cop coming out with a check is a bad decision there, especially when the check is on his top scum suspect. Well I would expect more from you than trying to convince your scumread of why his points are bad against you. So, who should a cop check tonight in your opinion, if it isn't you? | ||
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On June 10 2013 06:22 kitaman27 wrote: Could you clarify, who are those 2 individuals? From reading the filter I'd guess it'd be you and Sentinel | ||
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I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay. There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP. Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight. | ||
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On June 11 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote: I was waiting for someone to bring this up as I was thinking of this possibility myself. At what point do we draw the line in agreeing that something scum would do ACTUALLY is really unlikely? It's unlikely at first that Ace is scum and sacrificed himself for this play, yet here we are. It's unlikely that they bussed Rayn real early because they lost their power role, yet something along those lines must have happened. Personally my line is going to be drawn here: it makes zero sense to me to artificially lower your KP as scum if you're on the cusp of losing the extra one anyway, especially since if they're gambling for the lategame with the Ace play, it would take them LONGER to get to lategame with one less KP. Idk man, after that play by ace I think nothing's gonna surprise me anymore. Vayne was my scumread, but he has probably saved you so he's pseudo-confirmed. That leaves prplhz as my choice for the D4 lynch for his actions during the Rayn lynch, it should actually be pretty obvious: He found him suspicious, said he liked your case, and when Rayn came back to the thread he started defending him with the same arguments ace used, and cause he believed that Rayn was busy. The problem with the latter point is that prplhz found Rayn scummy for his defense of Vayne earlier, and that was unrelated to Rayn's activity, but Rayn's activity is what prplhz used to back off from his scumread, and that's why he is probably scum. | ||
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I'd also like to address the points he's trying to use against me: This interaction with Ace was prompted by a question from Oats. Vivax isn't going into the thread to say that he has a problem with Ace's Wave vote, he is only stating it as a response. Vivax never comments on the flip flop by Ace at the end of day one. 1) I didn't need to ask him to see it was a pressure vote, 2) His flip-flop, as you called it, looked like a genuine analysis of the wagon to me, and ace not ending up on the scumwagon he initially voted for (IIRC) actually made me think he was town. Vivax never contributed fresh ideas to the Rayn lynch. Again, he only confirms a statement from layabout after he is prompted for a read. Correct, but it doesn't make me scum. Vivax seems much more interested in defending players than scum hunting. If I look through his filter, I struggle to find a player he wants to lynch after Ace. 1) I posted analysis on Sentinel being likely town (although I'm growing doubts lately), cause I thought he was town. I don't share the idea of keeping townreads to yourself if you can justify them properly. They're equally important to lead town to victory, since you can only solve certain scenarios by exclusion, especially when scum blends in well. 2) Didn't have time to read through many filters lately (still don't have actually, but I realize I have to do something more at this point), but you and prplhz have shown pretty suspicious behavior regarding the ace vs Oats situation and the Rayn lynch (in the case of prplhz) | ||
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On June 11 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote: Additionally, if the case against prplhz is "pretty obvious", why did it take him roleblocking you to bring it up? Finding the time to look through filters. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: raynpelikoneet On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy. Going with my gut I guess. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikoneet Can you give me an opinion on these two dudes? | ||
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On June 11 2013 02:51 kitaman27 wrote: I already did. Have you not been reading the filter of your scum read? Townie-null for stutters, but I haven't actually spent any time looking at him. Cute | ||
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On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote: Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself? Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are. | ||
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On June 11 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote: Because you didn't have a scum read on anyone? Yup, except for the "cop-read". I said Sentinel was a better check than ace cause people were discussing him for lynch. My argument for him being town hadn't really been accepted, and wasn't even good cause he might just have been bussing for cred, in retrospect, and ace seemed to be safe from lynch anyway. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:32 prplhz wrote: I actually like WaveofShadow's case. On June 06 2013 06:30 prplhz wrote: I'd lynch Oatsmaster over raynpelikoneet. prplhz, what did you like so much about WoS' case that it didn't convince you? | ||
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On June 12 2013 03:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ace Vayne ____ don't know my third pick yet Do you think scum doublestacked tonight? | ||
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On June 12 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote: also prp can be scum faking rb so doesnt have to be vivax I have been roleblocked though. I find it too hard to imagine that scum doublestacked JJD. Kita mentioned that he would not have written a case against ace knowing he was going to fakeclaim cop cause he'd have sided with him. Well he still did side with him after writing his case, so that argument doesn't even make sense, but now he looks like he was pressuring ace while lynching Oats. | ||
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On June 12 2013 20:11 prplhz wrote: You know what Ace clearly thought this through so I'm not going to lynch [UoN]Sentinel solely because of the JarJarDrinks analysis even though it's pretty good. Can you answer my last question to you? It'd be nice if you could point out what of the JJD analysis you find most convincing, and show me your arguments for me being scum. As for Sentinel, the guy seems absolutely careless about the game at this point. I'm not sure if I can interpret scumminess into it, he might be lazy, frustrated or thinks it's funny to play dead weight. He'd be more of a policy lynch than anything else. His flip-flop ace - Oats was basically the opposite of what kita did. I'm not sure which of the two versions scum is most likely to do in that situation. | ||
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On June 12 2013 22:09 prplhz wrote: I'm pretty sure that wasn't really a question so no I'm not going to answer it. JarJarDrinks said that Ace would only fake a red check if scum was up for lynch, and [UoN]Sentinel was up for lynch because of the scumslip. I kind of agree with this but I think I need to think it over anyway. Looks like I need to make it comprehensible just for you: Why did you agree with WoS' case, which was unrelated to Rayn's activity (ie the townread on Vayne), to then proceed to defend Rayn after he gave an excuse for his activity? | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote: Putting $5 on scum prpl. Nope. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:20 Stutters695 wrote: I think I'd rather see sent flip, but I can get behind this for now ##vote: Vivax Gonna do some filter diving, playing two games with multiple people is getting me all sorts of fucked up. Well, it's probably better if you lynch me first, if you lynch Sentinel first you still wouldn't know if I'm town once he flips green (assuming he didn't roll GF). Of course I'd like to dissuade you from that and rather go with me and Sent being able to keep rolling and ask you to reconsider prplhz for lynch. | ||
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More likely kita got hit prolly, which would be weird cause he aims to lynch me and Sentinel, but maybe scum was banking on townies sheeping him post-death. | ||
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Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas. What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Or you're scum and getting us to play 'follow the cop' again. Based on the RB results last night I feel like this might be likely. I'm not scum, but I would like to hear the version of facts you find most likely nontheless. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Why is that a scumtell? Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such? Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:54 Stutters695 wrote: Trying to make up a case on me again? Didn't work in yanmm You mentioned some tells being "pretty damning". I'm really curious to hear them. So far you've been sparse with sharing them. | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:00 Stutters695 wrote: Read the thread, I was trying to imply I was a cop to soak up a NK with my Vet role. Otherwise if I had something I would have posted it without any delay because waiting would accomplish nothing if I had a case. Does that mean you cannot mention anything on your own as reason for me being scum? You went from null to faking roles to sheeping votes? | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: I disgaree but that's not what I'm focused on right now. Vivax I'm diving you as soon as I get the chance as I'm not lynching solely on the basis of PR return. You forgot my initial case against prplhz in Carnival, before I sheeped BH out of a crazy sentiment. | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote: What? Are you replying to something else? No. Prplhz was scum in Carnival cruise for starting the game tryhard with serious posts, then posting less over time. Similarly, stutters started by writing cases, being comparatively active. I have no idea who else could be scum. Vayne + WoS must be town unless doublestack, Sentinel is likely town, kita is likely town too and with him fuba. Unless scum did serious stunts with the NKs or jay is scum and layabout godfather/scumbuddy, the only remaining scum can be prphlz, stutters. But it would mean that stutters first case was on prplhz, and that doesn't really add up, unless it was staged, which is more probable than assuming that there's scum in the semi-confirmed mix. Prplhz waffled around during the Rayn lynch, stutters voted Rayn late cause shrooms iirc. I'd start with prplhz cause he used a similar tactic to ace's and he keeps dodging my question to his stances during that time. ##Vote prplhz | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote: I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too. You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion. ##vote:Vivax If you lynch prplhz and he flips scum you will know I'm town as well, except that you won't lose a townie to find that out. | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So you are admitting to the possibility that he's town and it would make a lot of other things make sense as a result? Why can prplhz and stutters not be of different alignments? Why is your post so scummy? He can't be scum cause he saved WoS N2. Unless scum doublestacked JJD there was a save involved, and that makes both WoS and Vayne town. Take your pick. | ||
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On June 13 2013 21:12 prplhz wrote: Well the strongest part of my Vivax scum read is actually how he acted around the raynpelikoneet lynch. Vivax was the 4th vote for raynpelikoneet. At this time the thread was clearly turning against raynpelikoneet because the last couple of votes cast were all on raynpelikoneet. Not just this but the votes (by WaveofShadow and mkfuba07) were accompanied by analysis (and I had complimented WaveofShadow's analysis). Vivax' vote for raynpelikoneet seems rather fake, "All aboard the wagon of justice" but no analysis or anything, it's just a vote (but formatted like it's actually something else, contrast Stutters695's vote which is also just a vote and also looks like what it is). Then VayneAuthority makes a silly vote and Vivax notices this, however he does not react on it in any other way than pointing it out. Then WaveofShadow points out the exact same thing and only then does Vivax find the courage to vote for VayneAuthority. The town Vivax I remember from other games doesn't hesitate to vote for people, he just does whatever the hell he wants all the time but this is a lot more restrained. Then after that he moves his vote back on raynpelikoneet: He pretty much says "If you're town then you look scum" and then he moves his vote away again. This all looks weird and restrained and like Vivax is looking for opportunities rather than looking for scum. The rigged poll was also really weird. That said I believe that he really has exams and this considered he's actually been putting in a decent amount of effort. I also don't think that Vivax and [UoN]Sentinel can be scum together (simply because of this post so I'm going to look into [UoN]Sentinel now). Clarifications: Trying to infer how and how often I use my votes in other games is awful reasoning. I have been adopting all kinds of styles. There have been games where my vote wandered around a lot (see British mafia II), and games where I barely voted if not just to lynch. Aside from that, you are doing two things in this post. You accuse me first of voting Rayn without reasoning, then not voting Vayne when I noticed something that looks suspicious. But most importantly, you accuse me of voting for Rayn without reason. While I didn't write a full blown case on him, I voiced the reason of my suspicion here before dropping the vote, being that he rather preferred shit-slinging at multiple people rather than his scumrad: On June 06 2013 01:53 Vivax wrote: @ Rayn If you're so sure about WoS being scum, what are you trying to achieve by claiming you want to kill ace and writing that bit about layabout? After my vote, Vayne comes in to vote for WoS, no reasons given. I post the "?", then drop my vote, and he replies with saying that he has a town-gutread on Rayn and that WoS is scummy, but when contrasted, he votes fuba and says that it's his real scumread. Vayne's play didn't seem to make any sense, and frankly I might have lynched him rather than Rayn at the time, but it was not possible. What I meant with bad blood is that he'd be bad, not scummy. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ As for today's lynch, I don't get why prplhz and jay are voting for Sentinel. If they think I'm town then they must also believe my check. Currently I find it hard to believe that scum prplhz would not keep going for my lynch, or argue against it, unless he's faking it really good. The only viable lynch for today is probably stutters, but there's one thing that bugs me and it's this, and I'd like to know if others think that it might have been a scum interaction: On June 05 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sup dudes. I want to lynch stutters or zephird. ##Vote: Stutters because the case on prpl is bad. On June 05 2013 04:29 Stutters695 wrote: L O FUCKING L Try reading it and providing an actual reason if you disagree. | ||
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On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote: At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace: Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something? At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but what matters more is the answer: On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote: I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns. I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch. I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though. That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway. The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement: On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote: Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch. That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me. Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum. | ||
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On June 15 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote: Lynch vivax first. If he flips scum we know his claim is worthless and sent is probably scum. If he's town then we're looking at the odds of him getting gf compared to just scummy town play. Which means that even after I flip town you have an out to still lynch Sentinel, hence your reasoning for lynching me is flimsy since it doesn't solve a damn thing. Instead of doing analysis you prefer to give reasoning that doesn't lead anywhere. You never gave any reasons for voting for me. That no one picks up on that is outrageous. I asked you to deliver any reason at the start of the day and you did nothing. All you are doing is following thread sentiment. | ||
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On June 15 2013 03:28 jaybrundage wrote: Because I think given sents play he has a bigger chance to flip scum. You're putting your faith into 10 % , come lynch stutters instead. That guy skates by, his effort dropped off, he doesn't post analysis or reasoning. Everything that happened so far points to him being most likely scum. | ||
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On June 05 2013 06:23 Stutters695 wrote: Oh, one more thing Rayne, if he's trying to change his meta than he needs to be here and actively trying. Regardless of his alignment he appears disinterested and from my experiences he's not nearly as involved as scum as town. On June 05 2013 14:04 Stutters695 wrote: You could literally say that about 3/4 the thread. Why ace specifically? Also, where are you Ace? On June 06 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: raynpelikoneet PLEASE, go to stutters' filter, where the posts are located, read what stutters writes since his first post about Rayn, then look at what he's writing about ace, and last, check the timing of his vote. It reeks of scum play, I want to lynch stutters today. ##Unvote ##Vote stutters | ||
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→ spend time talking about everyone else except Rayn → put him and vayne into the same category with ace when Oats asks to lynch him (as defense for ace) → Only vote Rayn when the bandwagon is up and running, no reasons given. What I find most scummy though is how you currently hopped on my bandwagon, refusing to voice any reasons, you just sit there and watch shit happen and repeat that I am the best lynch. You ignored the questions I posed to you, so answer them now. What are your arguments for lynching me? Do you have your own ? Which one, else, which are you sheeping? | ||
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It's clear that the lynch today will be between me and my greencheck cause no one seems to be considering stutters, who avoids my questions on purpose due to general lack of pressure. I realize Sentinel has been playing... Well, weird. But I want you all to consider switching to stutters cause I wouldn't feel confident about voting a guy with 10 % odds of being scum despite his play. Otherwise, I'll vote Sentinel for self-preservation and face the risk cause I'm sure I'll be more of value, at least we will have gotten rid of someone who doesn't help town at all. With some chance he might even flip red, let's hope that at least. Layabout, the prplhz lynch isn't going anywhere. Can I ask you to give me your opinion on stutters and then make your choice? | ||
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The case on stutters seems okay but i have kind of stopped playing Come on, there wasn't even a red check after N2 ;D | ||
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On June 15 2013 06:59 prplhz wrote: i think today's lynch is a crapshoot I agree, let's start a bandwagon on st-t-t-tutters | ||
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On June 15 2013 07:03 kitaman27 wrote: It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored. Kita, since you're eager to lynch me for information, could you tell me how you plan to draw conclusions about prplhz from my flip? | ||
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On June 15 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote: Going to be a couple posts on this so I can quote everything of relevance to vivax. First is this lovely post. Vivax is painting my stance on the Ace/Oats situation as I was indecisive on it, which simply isn't true. Before we lynched Oats I expressed that Ace was more believable to me but was very clear that if Oats flipped town that Ace had to die. It was a poor play for Ace to sacrifice himself as a strong scum player(from my understanding) to get oats lynched. A super town Marv I could understand making that trade for but not Oats. He is also trying to use my conversation with Ace as a misrepresentation. In the context of the conversation I was saying I would do that as scum to point out how his question to me was a null tell and although town would obviously claim as the cop there, that wasn't a point towards him being town. Alright, let me understand this. You meant to say that you didn't see ace being scum cause it would have been poor play for him to trade himself for Oats. But once Oats flipped, you said you would have done the same in his position as scum, but also as town with a legit dt check. I still see the same inconsistency I addressed cause you used two different justifications pre- and post-flip. I mean, preflip you argued with the unlikelyhood of ace doing that to lynch oats, post-flip you argued that you'd have done it as scum. You've still missed to point out why you found Rayn scummy but didn't follow up with anything until he was up for lynch. It's more of a fact but if you have thoughts to offer about that time then maybe it'll tell us more about your mindset back then. Aaaand finally you still didn't give reasons for me being scum since you've joined my wagon for no reason at the start of the day. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:54 Stutters695 wrote: Trying to make up a case on me again? Didn't work in yanmm Do you see the "even if one of them is scum"? That actually implies that your activities are kinda townie, regardless of meta. But a crass difference between early tryharding and later laziness is a scum-tell I see as generalized, not meta. Now we can start arguing on what is meta and whatnot, but that won't led anywhere. Now I'm interested to hear why you've been holding this explanation back all the time though. I'm not sure if you're just clinging on some feeble explanation to keep your vote on me or if you're a paranoid townie who misread things (I've been there). And of course illustrating your thought process after you voiced your suspicion against Rayn would be helpful. | ||
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I don't know why I have a boner though, must be those eyes. | ||
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Sorry bro I forgot the order. VT anyway. | ||
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On June 16 2013 08:14 prplhz wrote: i'll take bet that vivax Mean that does what? | ||
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On June 17 2013 08:22 VayneAuthority wrote: Vivax's flip gives info on sent because he can confirm if town vivax gave a town cop on sent which makes him look a lot better. Nothing changes with sent flipping town because scum vivax could do either alignment on him and it wouldn't matter one bit. That is why I am frankly upset that the sentinel lynch went through given how things went down but no need to harp on it, time to move on. 1 ) Vayne's reason to lynch me is a policy to gain info on a player that is now dead. On June 17 2013 08:31 VayneAuthority wrote: stutters hopefully? no one really strikes out at me on that list as the last scum. Vivax even isn't that scummy it's more of a policy lynch then anything based on the I receive when he flips. I am assuming a lot of people are town right now that I maybe should or should not based on what he flips so I REALLY hope we get this lynch out of the way today. 2) And this applies also to kita. Why do they both think that I'd be "bussing" my scumbuddy stutters? I'm not even sure if Vayne read my filter or stutters' here or he would at least try to get that out of the way if he thinks we're both scum. What are his points against stutters? On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't have a case. if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV. ##unvote ##vote:prphlz Why give in so quickly to a few questions and feel that he's looking scummy? I would like to hear an opinion on this prplhz bandwagon from him. And how the policy lynch rule is still a relevant reason for him to lynch me when it should not be relevant any more. Regarding stutters' medic claim: I want to know the reasons for why you protected fuba. Claiming to have protted the vet could be an attempt to make yourself look townie. | ||
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On June 17 2013 22:53 Stutters695 wrote: I'm awake. Sorry I wasn't here yesterday, spent the day with my girlfriend's father. Does she know? | ||
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Prplhz seems like a solid lynch judging by the cases and his sinchrony with ace's arguments to def Rayn during D1. He has to be lynched today, at the very least to see what scum's strat was during Rayn's lynch. Otherwise I don't need to add anything. Stutters would have to be playing a pretty good scum game to be scum. I reviewed his filter especially paying attention to his explanations, and they give me quite the townie feeling lately. The latest medic save explanation looks pretty legit. He keeps his activity up quite steadily, he doesn't fear confrontation with me. There's a chance that he could be scum but we will have to find out later. Vayne probably saved WoS, but just from reading his posts I'd want to lynch him today. I don't see his reasoning for wanting to lynch me any more. From policy for a day it became the policy of the previous day for the next day and he wants to lynch me for unknown reasons. Not necessarily scum play but for sure bad play and I want him to fix it. Layabout lays about unpressured. The fact he keeps posting after the greencheck and unpressured though is a town tell or good scum play. WoS most likely medic saved. Kita -"- Fuba vet hit when scum only had 1 KP. But he must have saved kita. (Scum withholding KP to gain cred atfer claming a save is tinfoil-mode, but if two scum get medic they can do that with each other) By exclusion, prplhz and jay are my last scumreads. If prplhz is not, we got tricked by some night actions. Could be Jay + layabout in that case. I'm off, won't be around @ deadline. You have my sword. ##Vote prplhz | ||
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On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote: you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment. Sup bro. Tell me why I would not simply stay silent when people scream for a Sentinel lynch. It's simply not true when you say I had no other choice. Sit back, watch Sentinel getting lynched. Instead, I'd try to stop his lynch when the other option at the start of the day was lynching me? Vein pls | ||
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On June 19 2013 03:48 VayneAuthority wrote: It gives you towncred. You were confident in your abilities to out play sentinel easily and get him lynched over you once you started posting. If you put a red on him, you're lynched the next day, if you green a random it really gives you nothing. By doing so you even have fuba relying on this sole motive for not wanting to lynch you so it obviously worked. Let's assume that you are town though, who do we lynch at this point? Welcome | ||
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On June 19 2013 04:01 VayneAuthority wrote: so you're just gonna dodge the question? figures ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mf2yjaCCff1raj8mk.gif) | ||
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Vayne claimed protection on N2 when hit went missing. Fuba claimed protection on kita when a hit went missing. WoS roleblocked Sentinel that night. Stutters claiming medic had been roleblocked when scum hit Fuba and veteran got lost... If scum withheld hits to gain town status and that is left unquestioned then we will lose the game. Question is: Which one of these events looks like it could have been set up? Currently the only guy who could be scum considering night actions and excluding powerplays is stutters. | ||
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Vayne didn't mention any reasons for me being scum. He didn't read my filter when he asked me for my scumreads. He left questions unanswered during the day of the prplhz lynch. That day, he joined the lynch with his tail between the legs after some more half-assed attempts to push my lynch, after a few counter-arguments he immediately gave in. Now, excuse me if I don't link you to the events, but I think I pointed out well enough where to find what I'm talking about. | ||
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on one hand we have a player that usually puts in a lot of work that has been sort of middle of the line this entire game. A lot of suspicious night action correlations and the fact that he's still alive at this point in the game all ring alarm bells. He would also confirm me as town if he by some chance showed up town so that's an added bonus. I have no real case on him besides that but feel he is a good lynch overall. A lot of suspicious night actions? Tell me about all of them. I'm still alive? Sorry bro, but so is every other townie in the game. I don't recall being high priority target for scum in most of my games, and given how few time I have to put into this one, I'm even lesser. The hard-on for confirmation is also inconsistent, as pointed out by fuba. Speaking of hard-ons, I'd like to know from fuba why he seems so sure about me being town. That doesn't seem to be something that obvious to most of the others. Is it just for my cop check on Sent? | ||
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On June 20 2013 09:13 layabout wrote: Who actually believes that mafia doublestacking JJD is the most likely scenario for night 2? Vivax needs to be posting today since he has a greencheck on his only scumread alive. On June 20 2013 09:13 layabout wrote: Who actually believes that mafia doublestacking JJD is the most likely scenario for night 2? Vivax needs to be posting today since he has a greencheck on his only scumread alive. I am thinking a lot about that point. It seems like a huge sacrifice, but it's actually really effective if the idea works. You pick some guy who doesn't seem worth of double stacking, you claim to have protted someone who is town, the roleblocked guy gets in trouble. No one thinks you would double stack someone like JJD so you have an argument. You are free to keep derping around like Vayne does for several days cause people think you saved a townie, the roleblocked dude is under pressure, and just in case you flip scum, the guy you protted might get into trouble too. I am currently put in front of these scenarios: - stutters is scum if I take all actions at face value. - Jay is in truth scum and rolled GF - Scum tried to get to do some confirmed town shenannies. vayne claiming doctor. Fuba claiming save on kita and hit on himself. The idea that scum gives up on KP seems so far fetched, but just by looking at the consequences for these players that I argued myself into, I became mostly driven by night actions and only looked at the play of a few people. If scum is good, they will do things no one believes they would do as scum. One consequence is only logical though (from the actions) , I think fuba is town for his timing on the Rayn wagon (third to vote) and the post he joined it with here, I refuse to believe that this was a bus. That leads to his kita protection being genuine, that leads to kita having been protected for real in the questionable night. And with that, if I go strictly by play and my own check and the remaining guy I can't trust into for his night action, I end up at: - Vayne - jay - layabout Considering that jay gave layabout a green check, and both are now voting Vayne, we gain information. It means that Vayne is either being bussed by one of them, or jay and layabout are scum. Unlikely he's being bussed by layabout cause he's defending me. Doesn't really make sense for layabout to defend me like that if he's scum anyway, it looks like honest doubt. That leaves me with a Jay + Vayne scumteam. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ This answer makes me confident: On June 20 2013 03:16 VayneAuthority wrote: stutters for absolutely certain, dont know on the other. maybe you or jay Jay's posts actually do the opposite, but hey, do things people don't expect you to do I guess: On June 20 2013 03:57 jaybrundage wrote: Looking over him the big points i dont like. Is his self proclaimed confirmed town just from rayn calling him a town read. Here he defends it saying that Rayn calling him town when Vayne doesnt have any influence on the thread day 1 that it doesnt make sense for scum to buddy with town like that. And he some how takes this instance to call him self confirmed town. Again talking about Rayn calling him town. Its all WIFOM and he keeps coming back to it cause its his only argument that he has for him being town. His not caring who died voting prplhz even tho he doesnt have a scum read on him. Says he doesnt have a case on Vivax just wants him to die. He just wants someone to die besides him and his scum buddie. He makes it obvious he doesn't care who he lynches. I made one comment to him about why he doesnt have a case. And he just changed his vote. No conviction about his read. ##Vote Vayne Plz vayne convince me other wise. On June 20 2013 05:24 jaybrundage wrote: I have a null read on Vivax. I don't find the KP argument compelling enough to lynch him over people that have been acting like scum in there filter. If vayne flips green (unlikely i know) then I think Vivax is much more likely to be scum. Or scum would have just decided to hold KP for no reason Possible but very unlikley He's pretty obviously trying to favour Vayne over me by calling me a "null read". Only possible explanation I see given my conclusion by exclusion is that scumjay knows that any hesitating during a bus will make it too ineffective for him to stay alive at lylo. He'll rather relax on his scumbuddy after writing his case while taking null stances on other lynch options, so he can switch but doesn't have to defend me. Hence, we lynch Vayne or jay today, I'd actually start with the latter cause it's more fun to see vayne squealing: ##Vote jay pre-edit: The problem is that vayne was one of his strongest town reads the past three cycles and he never explains what he think happened with the N2 actions. I'd hardly say he is pushing vayne considering he never calls him scum, nor votes for him. It was more of a defense post. Kita, read his reasons for lynching me and comment on them, then you can come back and decide if to spam your confirmation biased arguments. 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On June 21 2013 02:56 kitaman27 wrote: (Sorry for the quadruple post) Can you explain to me why you eliminated Vayne/Stutters as an option? I can't really eliminate stutters, that's correct, I decided I'd roll with town since his explanation for the Fuba save, mainly. I found it too detailed to look like bullshit, but maybe I'm using the wrong heuristic. To review your suggestion, the evidence I found against that option is this: On June 20 2013 05:08 Stutters695 wrote: Well I was typing up a long ass post on why Vayne was scum but by the time I finish it you guys will have lynched him. Here's what I was thinking of his D1 play. Ok so big post on Vayne: There will be Day 1: He really isn't saying dick, but no surprise there. He's done it both of the other games I've played with him (1 town, 1 scum). Here is where it starts to bug me That's twice in early d1 he says he doesn't care for meta, yet his first real stance is a townread on Rayne for meta where he votes WoS for no reason except that at least it isn't his town read. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2013 15:10 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont see anything on rayn, he doesn't really have a meta from what I have seen. He plays differently from game to game and his activity is based off the time he actually has not his alignment. Neither of us are good lynches. I am leaning towards mkfuba or WoS not sure yet On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads He also defends Ace by saying that if he's town scum will shoot him, so there is no point in lynching him/getting him to contribute. Then he switches to Fuba because he's his "real read." Now that the summary is done, onto why this is scummy: First, I consider Vayne a very cognizant player. It isn't that his reads are amazing or anything as town but he's always thinking ahead. That is part of my concern with him. For the obvious scum motivations he got by d1 with not being a serious suspect at all and avoiding contributing literally anything. Although defending two scum could just be terrible luck, I would not rule out the possibility of scumteam consisting of Ace and Vayne to orchestrate that. He defends both confirmed scum on no reasoning at all. That isn't something that just happens. I'd also like to call attention to + Show Spoiler [this post] + On June 06 2013 11:14 VayneAuthority wrote: I welcome anyone that questions my alignment to cop me then if you can't vig me, so we don't waste a lynch. Vayne is too focused on how night actions affect gameplay to not realize that with the godfather possibility, you can't rely on someone calling themselves for a cop check to be reliable. Overall a pretty scummy d1 but nothing really concrete in it, Gonna abridge the rest to get it out quick. If a scum recieves the miller/GF role, are they informed that they are the GF for that night? On June 20 2013 05:37 Stutters695 wrote: Vayne, the Abridged Series Episode 2 d2/n2 He calls himself confirmed town via Rayns WIFOM, then says if Ace flips scum we need to reexamine confirmed town because clearly Ace set something up. Purely speculation, but notice that he really doesn't do anything yet again. When he does decide to post reads look at them + Show Spoiler [reads] + On June 09 2013 12:13 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I would check out stutters, something is up there. Something doesn't feel right about him looking through his filter. Look at the progression that brought him to Rayn and how he's been pretty much afk for this 2nd day. On June 09 2013 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote: They didn't necessarily have to bus him hard but they definitely voted somewhere in the middle of the pack im guessing or maybe even early (this is all assuming ace is scum) I would say the ones to me that look the most suspicious are stutters, Vivax, JJD. Leaning towards sentinel being town but really can't tell what he's doing tbh. stutters- Tosses around his vote a bit and is quite active, more than I would like from stutters but maybe he just had time on his hands. The damning part is that he kind of ends up on rayn with no real reason, just pops in the thread late and votes him. Vivax was trying to push a lynch on a weak player(me) which is something we both know scum love to do, and kind of just voted for rayn for no reason at all either. JJD is doing the same thing as last game where he kind of pre-conceives before the flip but I cant get a good read here, null leaning scum I've dropped the mkfuba thing but you thing I should re-examine it? First notice that all four of his reads show little to no scum motivation. There's an irony here that he accuses Vivax of trying to push a lynch on a weak player when that is what he was doing to me (over a weekend I may add when I have made it abundantly clear I'm not as active). His JJD read is easily the worst reason of the 3 (at least voting Rayn without justification can be scummy, but he never explains why it is something that wouldn't happen as a townie). Rinse and repeat that on me throughout the entire game. Also this post is scummy as shit. afk a while, driving home. On June 20 2013 08:21 Stutters695 wrote: I don't understand why scum would double stack JJD. I could see Vayne protecting the hit to try and boost his town cred and there is still the possibility of vivax getting role blocked. Looking at the NKs it's pretty obvious Fuba and I can't be scum together since if we were there would have been no reason to sacrifice two NKs to give Fuba minor town cred with his vet absorption when as an alternative we could have easily shot knowing that Fuba was a very unlikely RB compared to me. That doesn't clear me for that night but i know I'm telling the truth about it makes Fuba confirmed town to me because he's responsible for two saves when otherwise this is a potential lylo. Thus the question for me is are vivax/Vayne/both up to something? I think yes and Vayne is the more likely to flip scum. Point being, he writes two huge cases and proceed to give up on the push after a back and forth of questioning with Vayne where he finds his answer genuine. If it's distancing it'd be pretty well done, I'd rather go with not. 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On June 21 2013 03:24 mkfuba07 wrote: @Vivax: Why not vote for the scumread that is actually in consideration at the moment instead of adding in jay? I don't care who gets lynched first, my reasoning must be correct if my townreads on stutters and layabout are. So I dropped that vote casually on jay (hence the squeal comment). I'll vote whoever gets the majority, right now we're still open for discussion on who to pick. Playing straight logically, it would be wiser to lynch Vayne first cause of my check having a 4/5 chance of being correct. But if jay isn't scum then one of layabout or stutters has to be. Since layabout would have been greenchecked by a town jay, I'd dismiss that, and that would leave stutters. I'll reread the guy just to make sure. Anyway, I just reread jay , and I found that he wrote cases on every guy who got mislynched so far, but didn't write a case on ace for example. It struck me as a pattern. His cases look kinda fabricated too, actually. Vayne doesn't read my filter and tunnels me since D3, he also has some really suspicious switches of opinions, see the one where he gets "swayed" to vote for prplhz. Take your pick, it really doesn't matter imo. ##Unvote | ||
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On June 21 2013 04:22 kitaman27 wrote: Vivax is so confident on his town stutters read that he is willing to lynch a player that is town 80% of the time based on his check. The main backbone of his town read on stutters is medic save on fuba, however there is absolutely no evidence that stutters protected fuba. A town medic could have protected him or a mafia medic could have protected random player X, saw that their hit on fuba didn't go through, and claim to have targeted him for a save. Therefore, the evidence really shouldn't be taken in consideration to determine stutter's alignment. However, he uses this reasoning, which provides no information, to decide that Jay must be the godfather. Where did you read that. | ||
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I should have said at some point that I found his explanation too convoluted to come from scum, but maybe it was in the post that I lost in a crash. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:20 Stutters695 wrote: I think I'd rather see sent flip, but I can get behind this for now ##vote: Vivax Gonna do some filter diving, playing two games with multiple people is getting me all sorts of fucked up. On June 13 2013 11:00 Stutters695 wrote: Protip lynch prpl if vivax flips town. There is a reason I made a case on him d1 On June 15 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote: Lynch vivax first. If he flips scum we know his claim is worthless and sent is probably scum. If he's town then we're looking at the odds of him getting gf compared to just scummy town play. Stutters continuosly claims that he wants to lynch someone else, but keeps his vote on me. He said he had a reason to make a case on prplhz, but doesn't talk about prplhz all day long. But honestly, compared to this: On June 06 2013 05:26 jaybrundage wrote: Im curious why is rayn getting so much votes. He just seemed to not be very active. I recall someone saying that he is usually more active is that the main reason people are going for him? It just seems like everyone is consolidating but im not sure why on him :o On June 06 2013 07:17 jaybrundage wrote: Im around Im not on rayn but who would you guys wanna get oatsmaster? I havent read to much on him. As far as i can remember he was just tunneling ace. But I dont see him as very scummy. Going gong ho trying to lynch a vet doesnt seem like something scum would do. it seems rather harmless, especially compared to the last one. HEY GUYS WANNA LYNCH OATSMASTER? DIDNT READ LOL BUT HE'S TUNNELING A VET SO HE DOESN'T LOOK SCUMMY | ||
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So Vayne, what is the point of these appeals to emotion if you are town? You must know that it is a common mafia tactic, so why would you consider emulating it as town? On June 21 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote: If you think it's a mafia tactic, you will be sadly mistaken when I flip. That has nothing to do with alignment. | ||
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On June 21 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I do but if you have a greencheck on him and I don't know your alignment I don't see the point of lynching him first You think me and him are scum. I don't understand why you don't summon the thought that I could have fakechecked him in light of that belief. If you were town, it should be the closest thought you'd have at hand with us as scumreads. | ||
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On June 21 2013 06:16 mkfuba07 wrote: You know you want jay or vayne, and you admit that you voted for jay despite vayne making more sense. So when called out on it you don't switch to vayne, you just remove your vote? Really seems like even though vayne is a more reasonable lynch on your part, you were averse to actually voting for him. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax I only see one reason to suggest jay before vayne in your situation. Which would be? Me and Vayne scum? You underestimate my scum play if you think that I would vote for a townie over a scumbuddy for the reason "I want my scumbuddy to squeal for another day". The vote was admittedly half-assed, cause I am inidiscriminant in their regard. I'd lynch them both at once, and it wouldn't matter who I lynch first. I think jay warrants a lynch in spite of the check cause of his behaviour during all those lynches. He took sides with ace and didn't write cases during D1, but each mislynch day he came in with cases that look really fabricated. Can't speak for his case on Vayne of today yet, but honestly, that looks pretty similar to the other ones he wrote. I'd like you to look that up and rethink your choice or at least tell me if you disagree on that being a good reason. At least I would know if you digested that for after my flip, so you pick the right guy tomorrow. | ||
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On June 21 2013 06:37 VayneAuthority wrote: I really hope this isn't another town vs town lynch the voting and reasons for both sides are complete dogshit to be honest, I wish vivax didn't have a green check on jay lol Lol, coming from you that's actually cute. Do your entrails say I'm town now? | ||
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On June 21 2013 07:23 mkfuba07 wrote: And what's jay up to? He said he was gonna be here 20-80 minutes ago... That's precisely the reason for why I'm growing doubts about my jay + vayne scum theory. He's currently skipping on the chance to switch to my lynch along with thread sentiment. Vayne, if you put your money where your mouth is we can switch to jay. Fuba, would you be in for that? | ||
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On June 21 2013 07:33 jaybrundage wrote: Back from work finishing reading up. I was hoping to get this lynch close and im glad it is Will give us more information about scum. Kita's case and my reread up on Vivax. Makes me think that i was possibly mistake with Vayne (Cofirmation Bias OP) ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax And why does it make Vayne town if I'm scum, in your world? | ||
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On June 21 2013 07:37 VayneAuthority wrote: jay has it wrong, if vivax is scum I CAN BE ANYTHING. if he's town, im town.  | ||
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I'm totally scum though Took you way too long since my roleblock | ||
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Pretty hard when you can't bluesnipe. The guy trying to recruit poll voters in the irc chat was me btw but they didn't find it as funny. | ||
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