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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 12 2013 23:38 GMT
#1254
Alright ladies and gents.
What's the order we said we were announcing stuff again?
I think we may have nailed it.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 12 2013 23:47 GMT
#1256
6 of us here right now, 4 haven't posted yet.
Do the missing four have all the remaining roles?
What's going on here?
Someone say something I wanna know what's going onnnn
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 00:03 GMT
#1260
heh heh I think I know what happened tonight. Just waiting for that cop claim....
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 00:25 GMT
#1277
Waiting on that doc claim.....
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 00:29 GMT
#1280
Alrighty I'm pretty sure somebody lied either last night or tonight.
There is no way that we've gotten this lucky with our checks/blocks.
I was the roleblocker and I roleblocked Sent.

It would be pretty damn miraculous if all of us were town and were all thinking the same thing that scum was thinking both night and managed to protect high profile targets/block scum KP.

I am pretty damn sure that scum did not handicap themselves and doublestack last night though.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 00:29 GMT
#1281
EBWOP protects/blocks
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 00:47 GMT
#1285
On June 13 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote:
Either kita got hit or Sentinel is godfather.
More likely kita got hit prolly, which would be weird cause he aims to lynch me and Sentinel, but maybe scum was banking on townies sheeping him post-death.

Or you're scum and getting us to play 'follow the cop' again. Based on the RB results last night I feel like this might be likely.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 00:49 GMT
#1287
On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.

Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time.

Why is that a scumtell?
Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 01:10 GMT
#1294
On June 13 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.

Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time.

Why is that a scumtell?
Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such?


Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up.

I disgaree but that's not what I'm focused on right now.
Vivax I'm diving you as soon as I get the chance as I'm not lynching solely on the basis of PR return.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 01:17 GMT
#1296
On June 13 2013 10:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.

Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time.

Why is that a scumtell?
Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such?


Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up.

I disgaree but that's not what I'm focused on right now.
Vivax I'm diving you as soon as I get the chance as I'm not lynching solely on the basis of PR return.


You forgot my initial case against prplhz in Carnival, before I sheeped BH out of a crazy sentiment.

What?
Are you replying to something else?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 02:16 GMT
#1311
On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too.

You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion.

##vote:Vivax

Alright hold on, I'm not following you.
Oh wait, yes I am. Alright I see what you mean by 'I'm not clear' but I'd laugh if you called me scum.
Yeah because the doublestack is unlikely this really does seem like the best course of action.
##Vote: Vivax
+ Show Spoiler +
Of course we might be incredibly fucked if scum got multiple roles one night or some crazy shit like that...
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 02:18 GMT
#1312
So wait, can we solve this game right now?
Like....do we win?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 02:24 GMT
#1315
On June 13 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
not even close 0o not enough people dying, there's actually still a lot of people left in this game. Also mkfuba's recent post bothers me a lot.

Well I know that, but I meant in terms of what today's lynch might mean in terms of town confirmations leading to us finding scum down the road. (Ie since they can only kill max one of us every night and we get checks/protects and such)

Whatever we keep playing either way.
Oh yeah and for the record I haven't liked fuba's play at all this game. I still think if there's one scum that's going to be hard to find due to scum fucking with us through them getting roles, it'll be him.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 02:26 GMT
#1316
On June 11 2013 23:57 mkfuba07 wrote:
Yeah, sorry about that. Apparently most of my motivation to post is typically not getting mislynched, otherwise I'd just spend my time reading and thinking. The fact that many consider(ed?) me confirmed town made me really lazy. That, on top of the necessary Ace lynch today (as well as what I expected to be a guaranteed scum lynch yesterday) kinda wrecked me. Not really excuses, I know, but at the very least explanations.

In any case, I'll be spending the next few hours (possibly all hours up to the lynch) getting better acquainted with the thread.

'Member this, fuba?
Got anything of use to give us?
At all?

Oh yeah and that reminds me, I know I voted for Vivax but I still have to filter dive him because although it makes sense here, I don't like lynching on the basis of PR alone.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 15:52 GMT
#1352
Ugh so now on top of determining who is confirmed town based on PR analysis we have to take into account that they might have gambled on N2 and given both shots to one person?
I don't know. Kita you've played scum more than I have. Is that a likely scenario?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 16:20 GMT
#1356
Kita do you think the last 2 scum are amongst vivax/sent/prpl?
I've been putting off a real read on Vivax for ages so let me do that right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 16:37 GMT
#1357
Vivax:
He's definitely playing 'differently' this game. To what end I'm not sure. It could always be simply a factor of his activity (which has been lower to be sure, but that must be excused) but it's also a factor of him not acting all crazy 'conspiracy theory Vivax' or 'vote for people out of nowhere Vivax' that I've seen him do as town. He appears much more reserved and dare I say....careful. Not a very Vivax-y way to play.

On June 06 2013 02:21 Vivax wrote:
This dude is even a better lynch

##Unvote
##Vote Vayne

On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood.

##Unvote
##Vote Rayn


Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post?

So these posts are about an hour apart. At first glance this appears to be the 'quickvote' Vivax I was referring to earlier but it still doesn't feel towny to me. He offers no reasoning to either vote, really, but the Vayne vote mystifies me as a scum move. If Vayne is town I don't see why a scum Vivax would draw attention to himself with a move like that. It would honestly make more sense if Vayne were scum with him and he thought Vayne fucked up so he wanted to be driving the bus. Preflip associations bad though, and it's not really likely Vayne is scum....is it?

On June 08 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote:
My analysis of Sentinel's play and why he is most likely town:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
prplhz - 7/10 scumpoints for his questionable defense of rayn which may or may not be motivated by meta (2 above neutral for his flip flop)

vayne - 9/10 scumpoints from bringing nothing of value and defending rayn

oats - 6/10 scumpoints because although his godforsaken ace push is angering me, he's using what little substance he offers to pressure me into a lynch. rayn was ignoring me (I maintain that he was setting me up). vayne looks like he's ignoring half the players in this game too (including at least one scum). oats is taking the spotlight to lead who he (mistakenly) thinks is town. he gets one scumpoint for the ace push and is otherwise a neutral (but incredibly pithy!) player.


Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice?

##unvote
##vote: ace


At first glance this post looked really scummy for the reasons he used to switch to ace, but it provides valuable information.
Sentinel is basing all his reasoning on two other people being scum, while having Oats as scummy as well (I disagree with the notion but it's probably town-motivated)

Now, imagine Oats is scum and Sentinel too. That doesn't really fit, right? Sentinel has been pushing Oats throughout D1, then he added Vayne and prplhz as his scumreads, and ace revealed the cop check, and Sentinel thinks "Oh well two scummers are on another scummers' wagon so ace is scum", and Oats can't be scum.

What has been going on here? These are the explanations:

1: Sentinel is scum, Oats is miller and ace is cop. Sentinel lynches Ace and still can lynch Oats afterwards. (improbable)
2: Sentinel is scum, Oats is standard town and ace is scum. Sentinel busses ace over his scumread for maximum town cred cause he knows that whatever happens, ace will die after Oats. (improbable, he has been pushing Oats all the time before)
3: Sentinel is town and genuinely thinks that Oats can't be scum cause two other scum reads vote for him, discarding the possibility that they know that Oats will die sooner or later. (probable)

That means that, in case of an Oats red flip, Sentinel is town. And in case of an Ace red flip, he's also town, simply cause I don't see him going for an ace bus when all he has been doing so far in the game would have allowed him to keep pushing Oats instead of ace.

If Oats was miller, then the reasoning is obviously useless, but I guess we have to gamble here.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night.

Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start.

If you still think that Oats could be town, go read what Zephir wrote about him in his analysis post before dying:

Show nested quote +

Oatsmaster: I would lynch rayn today too, => I could lynch both Sent and rayn though => directly asks rayn why didnt he want to lynch ace => I wanna lynch Rayn and stutters and Ace today, => Im not feeling this rayn lynch anymore.

Note: rayn's response was "Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything."

On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote:
I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old:

a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats
b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK)

Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should.

We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost.

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 06:10 layabout wrote:
I feel like my reads are good right now and town is in a good spot but i'm nervous about oatsmaster since i can see him being town and i really don't want us to get screwed by a miller check.


Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town?

He's been calling Sentinel town all game. He even used his cop check to prove it.
Would it make sense for a scum team to go all-out and try to protect Sent like this? Ace saccing himself, Vivax behaving this way....something isn't right.

I did find an interesting gem in that Layabout at one point went from 'Don't check Ace it's a waste' to "check Ace."
I think I may have mentioned it before. I'm really worried about our cop checks now though.

Vivax talks a LOT about the possible doublestack of JJD and this bothers me because it seems really unlikely so why bring it up constantly?
.....
Sorry for the scattered thoughts in here, but I think if it weren't for blue results these past two nights I wouldn't be voting Vivax. His play is a little more careful this game to be sure but his analysis has been steady and seems genuine.

I really don't like the implications of this because it almost assuredly means we have been misled by our blue roles.
For now:
##Unvote

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 17:19 GMT
#1360
Kita did you read my dive into Vivax?
You really think the scumteam has been going all out to save Sentinel of all people?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 17:32 GMT
#1364
Who was vet that night?
We should have waited for the vet claim last like layabout originally said (but also said it didn't matter) because if Vivax/Sent were scum they'd have no way of knowing if his target was a vet or protected and they might have fucked up.

Interesting here actually because neither of them posted until well after Stutters' vet claim.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 17:32 GMT
#1365
LoL that's what happens when I half-write stuff and then instead of being lazy I actually re-read the thread. Yes, Stutters was vet.
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