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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 11 2013 23:08 GMT
#1221
On June 12 2013 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm thinking its the other way around. He pulls that stunt BECAUSE his partners are in trouble.


That would make literally zero sense, He was under no pressure as he stated so why would he get himself lynched then town goes right back to killing the bad players?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 11 2013 23:11 GMT
#1222
definitively I would say last 2 scum are between prp/vivax and stutters but thats probably wrong. I forgot about how suspicious stutters is this game
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 23:11 GMT
#1223
On June 12 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm thinking its the other way around. He pulls that stunt BECAUSE his partners are in trouble.


That would make literally zero sense, He was under no pressure as he stated so why would he get himself lynched then town goes right back to killing the bad players?


If the bad players are lynched, mafia kp immediately drops to one and the game is next to over. Cop claim earns him a lynch and an extra kp and perhaps we forget about the people who are suspicious on night one.

If he is in good standing and his scum buddies are in good standing, then why make a trade at all? Keep mislynching into victory.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 11 2013 23:15 GMT
#1224
On June 12 2013 08:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 12 2013 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm thinking its the other way around. He pulls that stunt BECAUSE his partners are in trouble.


That would make literally zero sense, He was under no pressure as he stated so why would he get himself lynched then town goes right back to killing the bad players?


If the bad players are lynched, mafia kp immediately drops to one and the game is next to over. Cop claim earns him a lynch and an extra kp and perhaps we forget about the people who are suspicious on night one.

If he is in good standing and his scum buddies are in good standing, then why make a trade at all? Keep mislynching into victory.


So are you softing that sentinel is surely scum? I know I am not scum so your theory is either wrong or you should just come out and say that. I think he just took it upon himself once he got the cop role to ensure some more deaths then leave it up to the others in good standing. The game is over anyway if me/sent are actually scum so I fail to see your logic.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 23:17 GMT
#1225
On June 12 2013 08:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 08:11 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 12 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 12 2013 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm thinking its the other way around. He pulls that stunt BECAUSE his partners are in trouble.


That would make literally zero sense, He was under no pressure as he stated so why would he get himself lynched then town goes right back to killing the bad players?


If the bad players are lynched, mafia kp immediately drops to one and the game is next to over. Cop claim earns him a lynch and an extra kp and perhaps we forget about the people who are suspicious on night one.

If he is in good standing and his scum buddies are in good standing, then why make a trade at all? Keep mislynching into victory.


So are you softing that sentinel is surely scum? I know I am not scum so your theory is either wrong or you should just come out and say that. I think he just took it upon himself once he got the cop role to ensure some more deaths then leave it up to the others in good standing. The game is over anyway if me/sent are actually scum so I fail to see your logic.


I've said that I thought sent was scum on numerous occasions.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 11 2013 23:46 GMT
#1226
disappointed that he would do that, suppose it killed the thread
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 11 2013 23:48 GMT
#1227
Yea it makes no sense to make the claim of cop unless he felt that he had no choice. But do it to take pressure off one of his scum buddies. Why make the claim and risk dying he was under no pressure.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 11 2013 23:49 GMT
#1228
@Layabout Given the new information that Ace is scum who do you see as his possible scum buddies
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 12 2013 00:06 GMT
#1229
On June 12 2013 04:02 kitaman27 wrote:
layabout, your setup discussion is in regards to the order that roles should claim the next day, not at night, correct?

yup. Doing so at night would be silly. Very silly.

On June 12 2013 08:49 jaybrundage wrote:
@Layabout Given the new information that Ace is scum who do you see as his possible scum buddies


tentatively, vivax and sent or prp

details tomorrow.

also since ace was scum and non-rayne town votes were so spread out it looks like there was mafia on rayne.

Final Vote Count

JarJarDrinks (0):
Zephirdd (0):
prplhz (0):
Stutters695 (0):
s0Lstice (0):
Ace (1): Oatsmaster
jaybrundage (1): s0Lstice
WaveOfShadow (1): raynpelikoneet,
[UoN]Sentinel (1): slOosh
Oatsmaster (2): JarJarDinks, prplhz
mkfuba07 (2): VayneAuthority, jaybrundage
raynpelikoneet (7): Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, [UoN]Sentinel


Not voting (1): Ace
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 12 2013 01:23 GMT
#1230
On June 12 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm Sent pushing Vayne actually is something i like. If they are both scum. Sent who is likely the next lynch. Has no town credibility would prolly not get very far into lynching Vayne. So similar to how Rayn gave a town read on Vayne and vayne tried to use it to look good. It would just be in inverse this time. Sent tries to push Vayne. Sent dies flips red. And then Vayne could be look at scum trying to push me i must be town.

I know im getting ahead of my self with assuming flips. But doesnt anyone have thoughts on this?


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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 12 2013 01:28 GMT
#1231
FUCK yeah that's what I'm talking about ladies and gents.
Once again gj not wasting checks on Ace last night.

I'm not good at coming up with plans to use roles and shit, but now that scum KP is at 1, what can we do?
On that note I get the feeling Ace tried what he did because of all of his speculation talk in the pregame knowing we were going to think a certain way. I have to go back and read what he said. I know he didn't roll scum in the pregame obviously but I'm just saying I wonder if he planned what he did based on what he had said previously.

I want to look into the possibility of Fuba being scum. I know it's WIFOM especially since Ace knew he was going to flip eventually but he did call Fuba confirmed town, and it's entirely possible they gave Fuba that case from the start. An early bus is not impossible here, is it?

The obvious choices for the final scum are Vivax/prplhz/Sentinel I know, but we can't risk the fact that there is still strength in the scumteam still. (In which case I'd say kita, 'cause he gud scum)

In any case I'm not sure we can understand entirely why Ace did what he did just yet, and we may have to keep on truckin' simply based on what we've learned about people in general so far.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 12 2013 01:47 GMT
#1232
On June 12 2013 08:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 08:11 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 12 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 12 2013 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm thinking its the other way around. He pulls that stunt BECAUSE his partners are in trouble.


That would make literally zero sense, He was under no pressure as he stated so why would he get himself lynched then town goes right back to killing the bad players?


If the bad players are lynched, mafia kp immediately drops to one and the game is next to over. Cop claim earns him a lynch and an extra kp and perhaps we forget about the people who are suspicious on night one.

If he is in good standing and his scum buddies are in good standing, then why make a trade at all? Keep mislynching into victory.


So are you softing that sentinel is surely scum? I know I am not scum so your theory is either wrong or you should just come out and say that. I think he just took it upon himself once he got the cop role to ensure some more deaths then leave it up to the others in good standing. The game is over anyway if me/sent are actually scum so I fail to see your logic.


For what may be the first and last time in this game, I agree with you Vayne.
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 12 2013 04:36 GMT
#1233
On June 12 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
FUCK yeah that's what I'm talking about ladies and gents.
Once again gj not wasting checks on Ace last night.

I'm not good at coming up with plans to use roles and shit, but now that scum KP is at 1, what can we do?
On that note I get the feeling Ace tried what he did because of all of his speculation talk in the pregame knowing we were going to think a certain way. I have to go back and read what he said. I know he didn't roll scum in the pregame obviously but I'm just saying I wonder if he planned what he did based on what he had said previously.

I want to look into the possibility of Fuba being scum. I know it's WIFOM especially since Ace knew he was going to flip eventually but he did call Fuba confirmed town, and it's entirely possible they gave Fuba that case from the start. An early bus is not impossible here, is it?

The obvious choices for the final scum are Vivax/prplhz/Sentinel I know, but we can't risk the fact that there is still strength in the scumteam still. (In which case I'd say kita, 'cause he gud scum)

In any case I'm not sure we can understand entirely why Ace did what he did just yet, and we may have to keep on truckin' simply based on what we've learned about people in general so far.

Don't think we really need elaborate plans on using checks. I mean the possibility of cordinating checks is possible but I dont think its advisable cause one scum getting a blue role can mess up a plan. Given that I suggest that our town blues do what they have been doing using logic to determine what is best to do with there role. Also keep in mind that we cant let someone being blue change our read of them. Its a null tell.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 12 2013 04:52 GMT
#1234
On June 12 2013 08:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
definitively I would say last 2 scum are between prp/vivax and stutters but thats probably wrong. I forgot about how suspicious stutters is this game

Any particular reason?
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 12 2013 11:11 GMT
#1235
You know what Ace clearly thought this through so I'm not going to lynch [UoN]Sentinel solely because of the JarJarDrinks analysis even though it's pretty good.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 12 2013 12:05 GMT
#1236
On June 12 2013 20:11 prplhz wrote:
You know what Ace clearly thought this through so I'm not going to lynch [UoN]Sentinel solely because of the JarJarDrinks analysis even though it's pretty good.


Can you answer my last question to you?
It'd be nice if you could point out what of the JJD analysis you find most convincing, and show me your arguments for me being scum.

As for Sentinel, the guy seems absolutely careless about the game at this point. I'm not sure if I can interpret scumminess into it, he might be lazy, frustrated or thinks it's funny to play dead weight. He'd be more of a policy lynch than anything else. His flip-flop ace - Oats was basically the opposite of what kita did. I'm not sure which of the two versions scum is most likely to do in that situation.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 12 2013 13:09 GMT
#1237
I'm pretty sure that wasn't really a question so no I'm not going to answer it.

JarJarDrinks said that Ace would only fake a red check if scum was up for lynch, and [UoN]Sentinel was up for lynch because of the scumslip. I kind of agree with this but I think I need to think it over anyway.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 12 2013 13:19 GMT
#1238
On June 12 2013 22:09 prplhz wrote:
I'm pretty sure that wasn't really a question so no I'm not going to answer it.

JarJarDrinks said that Ace would only fake a red check if scum was up for lynch, and [UoN]Sentinel was up for lynch because of the scumslip. I kind of agree with this but I think I need to think it over anyway.


Looks like I need to make it comprehensible just for you: Why did you agree with WoS' case, which was unrelated to Rayn's activity (ie the townread on Vayne), to then proceed to defend Rayn after he gave an excuse for his activity?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 12 2013 13:38 GMT
#1239
I'd be interested in seeing your case against Vivax, if you don't mind prpl.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 12 2013 16:45 GMT
#1240
can't wait to get shot tonight
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