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On June 05 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 01:56 Ace wrote:oh, well of course  I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again. lol, how do you feel about mkfuba strolling into the thread and just choosing something random to quote then peacing out? I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something
slightly bad but nothing damning at the moment. He could easily have just left the forum after asking.
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Oats I was afk and you've singled me out for not doing jack shit. even though I was around at the start of the game. Iirc you were the one prodding me for answers which I gave. How come you singled me out to be lynched and no one else?
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On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.
Going with my gut I guess.
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##vote: raynpelikoneet
dont see how it can but why would you think that?
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But anyone can explain your playstyle. It's a null tell. You weren't in danger of dying and someone says "this is how jay plays". I think you're being hasty giving them Town cred there and not thinking about the situation correctly.
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On June 06 2013 05:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:08 Ace wrote:On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.
Going with my gut I guess.
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##vote: raynpelikoneet dont see how it can but why would you think that? I vote for him -> looks like a last minute bus I don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him
How is it a bus? I may have missed it but I didn't notice you pushing rayne late.
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On June 06 2013 05:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
What a terrible lynch this is. No one thinks it's strange that there's only a single wagon? Who here actually expects rayn to flip red?
Not really. It isn't like the case made on rayne is super weak. If you've got a better target then I'm willing to hear it. Otherwise I'm guessing you want a no lynch? It's plurality votes win so we'd have to explicitly vote for it.
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On June 06 2013 05:26 jaybrundage wrote:
Im curious why is rayn getting so much votes. He just seemed to not be very active. I recall someone saying that he is usually more active is that the main reason people are going for him?
It just seems like everyone is consolidating but im not sure why on him :o
On June 06 2013 01:02 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:12 Stutters695 wrote:
And Fuba just sniped me. Fuba if you had to dictate a lynch today who and why? Give us something to work with. Sorry, passed out soon after my post. There's been lots of unexpected stuff popping up, distracting me from the game. The most concerning one is taken care of, so I'll be less distracted. In any case, it's unlikely I could have given you an answer. As I said, D1 I typically sheep someone I feel pretty strongly is town, on someone that person has convinced me is scum. I don't really dictate lynches D1. The only time I've actually "dictated" a lynch was at the end of Doctor Who mafia, which surprised even me in its insistence upon my lynch, as well as the fact that I was actually right XD If you'd insisted on an answer, I probably would have said vayne, since he's the one that's been on my mind the most, and I saw him as having the most potential to be scum, despite not having done anything I would call overtly scummy. While he's still on my mind, I have a different lynch target at the moment. SlOosh brought up a good point about rayn that makes me comfortable with a vote on him. His reasoning for having a town read on vayne is pretty scummy. Thinking someone's town because they accurately describe your playstyle doesn't show the level of suspicion that I'd expect from a townie. I mean, it's easier than trying to make a fake case against someone you know is innocent. It's up there with talking exclusively about setup speculation and asking the host questions to appear active. ##Vote: raynpelikoneetI previously found sentinel town (no specific reason, just general feelings after reading his posts), but I'm going to take a closer look at him since slOosh brought him up. Also, we're falling on different sides of the oats debate, which is interesting because we both just played in a scum oats game. I can believe that town oats believes Ace to be a legit lynch, since I have *kind of* the same feelings. Problem being, I don't like playing hypocritically, and if I vote Ace for activity (whether or not I expected more from him), then I might as well vote myself (though that would be playing against my wincon  ). I haven't seen anything that would pick out Ace as scummier than anyone else in the game, so I'm not voting for him today.
highlighted in bold. I think it is the main reason people are voting rayne. It's a pretty solid line of reasoning. If people are voting for him based on inactivity and not this case then yea we might be mislynching the guy.
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I read your case against Oats. I was afk so I didn't get a chance to respond to him so he may be gone. I'm waiting for him to come back and answer me because I was going to vote him before I read the rayne case. I'm going to see check the votes on the rayne wagon and see what's up.
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Rayne voters:
Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061
Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning.
mkfuba: made the case on rayne
Wos: also made a case on rayne
Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch.
Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3
looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk.
layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613
says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him
Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864
sheep/gut read
Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours.
The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him.
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On June 06 2013 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:Rayne voters: Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning. mkfuba: made the case on rayne Wos: also made a case on rayne Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch. Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk. layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864sheep/gut read Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him. Rayn can 100% get me to switch my vote off of him if shows up in a bit like he says and performs as I would expect him to. Ace knowing how Oats plays why do you say Oats is a good lynch?
I said I'm considering. He was my original choice before I got the point in the thread concerning rayne.
On June 06 2013 04:42 Ace wrote:
Oats I was afk and you've singled me out for not doing jack shit. even though I was around at the start of the game. Iirc you were the one prodding me for answers which I gave. How come you singled me out to be lynched and no one else?
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well everyone is afk and the lynch is in an hour and a half.
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Thread activity died since I came back and I think this is fiisht. For the remaining people voting for rayne do you believe he is really just inactive or just Scum?
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fuba is the only person most likely confirmed town
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On June 06 2013 11:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:33 Ace wrote:
fuba is the only person most likely confirmed town This is wrong and you know it.
He pushed his case vs rayne stronger than anyone else did and didn't have any reservations.
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Only reason I didn't include you is because you were willing to switch off of rayne and fuba wasn't (unless I missed something).
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Um...are you serious? I was here in the beginning and answered YOUR questions and went afk. The entire time I was gone you kept tunneling me for no reason and ignored me. How can I be blamed for not looking for scum when the minute I came back I was participating in the thread?
what Scum were you trying to find since this is the standard you are holding me to? prove it.
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Me being afk doesn't mean I'm scum though. The minute I came back I was active and even voted for rayne. I only attempted to switch off when we established rayne might be an inactivity lynch.
What about that chain of events is scummy? What was I supposed to do - lurk? And then get accused for that too?
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On June 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:03 Ace wrote:
Me being afk doesn't mean I'm scum though. The minute I came back I was active and even voted for rayne. I only attempted to switch off when we established rayne might be an inactivity lynch.
What about that chain of events is scummy? What was I supposed to do - lurk? And then get accused for that too? I'm too lazy to check atm...when 'we' established Rayn might be an inactivity lynch? When was that ever established? I'm not sure who attempted to push that line of thinking in the first place. You had a long post that analyzed everyone's pushes on Rayn I believe and in the end you summarized it as 'half of us are voting because of inactivity, and the other half have legit reasons.'
yes that post. read up the discussion surrounding it.
On June 06 2013 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Regardless of what reasons people have for voting him. The reason YOU had convinced you that he was scum. (That reason being that he thought vayne was town simply because vayne know his play style)
Having that piece of information lead you to believe that rayne was scum. However you back tracked after you said other people might have given reasons for inactivity. But other peoples voting reasons shouldn't of had such a big impact on your read. Why does it matter why they vote for him. If you think rayne is scum?
It does matter what they think - notice how I originally voted for rayne. I was first on Oats (who ignored my question) and as I read the thread switched to rayne based on furba's post. As it went on it was clear some people were voting for rayne because he was inactive, and not based on scum reads. That is prime setting for a mislynch.
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