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On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this?
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On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this? No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it. I am way more likely to vote firere today than Gotard.
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On June 07 2013 23:04 Spicydinosaur wrote: @fferyllt since you are around... who are your scum reads? Yavannah and Firere.
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On June 07 2013 23:12 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 23:05 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this? No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it. I am way more likely to vote firere today than Gotard. that is what I am saying I feel town because you arent just sheeping.
IMO there is a place in mafia for sheeping, and I occasionally find myself in that place.
Day 1 of a game with a bunch of players I don't know is not the place. When I'm uncertain about my scum reads and have a strong town read on someone whose scumdar I trust, I weigh their reads heavily in deciding my vote.
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On June 08 2013 00:42 Onegu wrote:Anyone else find this scummy Not really. I'm null/leaning a little town on Skanjab1 mostly because his play style is not unusual where I learned mafia. The emphasis on casebuilding at TL is more alien to me than moving votes around on the basis of what's happening in the thread.
Although he's not stating reasons why his vote changes, there's a trajectory - someone posts something hinky and his next post is a vote on that person.
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I would prefer a Yavannah lynch, myself. But, of the currently viable wagons, IMO Firere looks the most scummy.
The best I've gotten from my arguments about Yavannah is "maybe d2", so I'm going to be very disappointed, SpicyDinosaur, if you don't help pursue that without some damn good reasons why.
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On June 08 2013 00:57 Skanjab1s wrote: *Sigh*
Guys, throwing votes on people is not scummy in the slightest, it adds pressure to them and helps me to get better reads on them. fferyllt knows where its at.
fferyllt, why Firere over Gotard?
Gotard reeks of painfully awkward newbtown.
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On June 08 2013 01:03 Spicydinosaur wrote:Skanjab is not going to be lynched today barring some huge slip on his part. Right now the votes are between you and Firere345. If you don't want to get lynch you should make a miraculous case and get your vote on Firere345. Yabbut that was a seriously townish looking vote. He's not working the self-preservation angle at all. It looked a little opportunistic in that the conversation had just turned to Skanjab's voting style, but that's a line of thought that players not in his scumpile are discussing unless I'm misremembering that wall of reads.
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On June 08 2013 01:07 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:00 fferyllt wrote: I would prefer a Yavannah lynch, myself. But, of the currently viable wagons, IMO Firere looks the most scummy.
The best I've gotten from my arguments about Yavannah is "maybe d2", so I'm going to be very disappointed, SpicyDinosaur, if you don't help pursue that without some damn good reasons why. Well my reasons for suspecting her are a little different then yours were. And like I said I am honestly not sure what to make of her at this point. When her final vote comes in and after the night actions, hopefully I'll have a better idea. Her final vote and the night results would be damn good reasons why.
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Hey iVL I'd like to hear your thoughts about Yavannah. You're both in my neverlynch pile and you are game-savvy so you're a player I'd be willing to test my reads with.
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On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Well see, that's the thing. She IS sheeping. Her town reads were similar to the reads that others had already posted or strongly implied. If town sentiment changes about some of those players it will be easy to backtrack and go along with it
Putting out a strong read early, especially when it goes against the sentiment in the game, is something that the average scum player doesn't want to do. And it's absolutely what town players want to do because they are looking for scum, not for the feel of the room.
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On June 08 2013 02:00 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:42 fferyllt wrote: Hey iVL I'd like to hear your thoughts about Yavannah. You're both in my neverlynch pile and you are game-savvy so you're a player I'd be willing to test my reads with.
Asking good questions, responded well to Umasi saying she was "suspiciously nice". Exploring good avenues that I hadn't even thought of with questioning and logical thought. Calls her pressure vote a pressure vote. A vote stops being pressure the moment you call it that. Noobie mistake, I'd say. Has dropped off of the map recently. Likely town. Maybe.
I thought the questions lacked followt hrough, but that could be newb too.
I pointed out the futility of indicating votes are for pressure purposes when SpicyDinosaur (I think that's who...not going to check) posted something similar about pressuring lurkers quite early in the game, though. Maybe that comment would stand out as something not to do to newb scum more than to newb town.
Noted, and thanks.
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On June 08 2013 02:05 Xzavier wrote: im okay with lynching either one of them today. Firere or gotard.
i have work from 2-8 today (i leave 30 min from now) so im not gonna b able to make lengthy posts, i can explain the reasoning for my vote (if i do switch it)
but right now if gotard isnt mafia, he needs to grow a pair. He made his first constructive post, then didnt even vote for the most scummy person on his list? or one of the current possible bandwagons. Thats weird to me.
but since he has appeared like hes slowly but surely posting more (however scumlike it is) it means we can kill him later if need be on even stronger evidence.
yavannah is newbie as fuck. probably harmless town. wouldnt hurt for her to post more.
iV is troll-town(probably VT)
spicey dinosoar is somebody i was suspicious of for a good amount, but idk. not much he has said makes me think scum. and what he says makes logical sense, thats more than i can say about half of this thread T.T
skanjab isnt on any of my lists, he puts thought into his actions, and i think there are much better people to lynch right now. and i havnt actually looked at his filter yet.
The bolded was a dumb thing to post.
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On June 08 2013 02:29 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 02:14 fferyllt wrote:On June 08 2013 02:05 Xzavier wrote: im okay with lynching either one of them today. Firere or gotard.
i have work from 2-8 today (i leave 30 min from now) so im not gonna b able to make lengthy posts, i can explain the reasoning for my vote (if i do switch it)
but right now if gotard isnt mafia, he needs to grow a pair. He made his first constructive post, then didnt even vote for the most scummy person on his list? or one of the current possible bandwagons. Thats weird to me.
but since he has appeared like hes slowly but surely posting more (however scumlike it is) it means we can kill him later if need be on even stronger evidence.
yavannah is newbie as fuck. probably harmless town. wouldnt hurt for her to post more.
iV is troll-town(probably VT)
spicey dinosoar is somebody i was suspicious of for a good amount, but idk. not much he has said makes me think scum. and what he says makes logical sense, thats more than i can say about half of this thread T.T
skanjab isnt on any of my lists, he puts thought into his actions, and i think there are much better people to lynch right now. and i havnt actually looked at his filter yet.
The bolded was a dumb thing to post. i had to quote this to find where you bolded. and got it, dont post who your positive is town. check. this is one big learning experience. Remind me to revisit this in the postgame discussion if I don't bring it up.
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knock yourself out. Skanjab gave a good enough short answer.
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apparently I misread something.
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On June 06 2013 21:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:19 Skanjab1s wrote:On June 06 2013 11:00 iVLosK! wrote: Who is the motherfucker who recognized me from OMGUS?
I will find you, mystery motherfucker. I'm the finger down your spine when all the lights are out. I'm the name on all the men's room walls. When I pout, the whole world tries to make me smile. And everyone always wants to know, who... is... that girl? Okay guys, listen up. I can read vloski like a Dr Seuss book. And he is without a doubt town. I've like, never been wrong about him. So, ##vote: SpicydinosaurFor all his posts being about game theory (lynching lurkers, etc.) and none of them having any intention of finding scum. I just did a little theory to get the game going. Wasn't much discussion going on before I went to bed. And if you are going to vote me, at least get my theory right... I said pressure lurkers. Anyways, here are some thoughts. @ Firere345 seems to be only sheeping. He agrees with Umasi's post about iVLosK! and then asks a pointless mod question about a jester. Reading the first page of the thread tells you what roles are possible in this game and jester is NOT on it. So why ask it? A true newbie to this game would probably read that first page up and down multiple times. So far he feels pretty scummy. @ Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now. @ Umasi is my most worrisome read right now. He is generating some discussion but a lot of his posts are full of fluff. Taking a wait and see on him. @Yavanna strongest town read atm. Generates discussion and asks good questions.
On June 07 2013 23:27 Spicydinosaur wrote: Just went through Yavanna's filter and it doesn't look pretty. At the start she's either posting spam or asking others questions. The questions are alright but she has no follow up with them... and that indicates someone posting to look active without really contributing... aka scummy. Later on it turns into full blown sheeping of Xzav. She really only has 1 good post about Umasi at the end. Not sure right now if this is indicative of a new player finding her stride or calculated scum. Going to take a wait and see on her for D2.
Big change on Yavanna between these two posts without much additional input from Yavanna.
Was it something I said?
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On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote: Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. scum are not one size fits all in terms of behaviors, but in general I've found that scum players are slow to change stance, and sometimes let town choose a direction before committing. Not a single town player - scum movement usually is trying to blend in when the town herd gets moving.
To me, Umasi followed Xzac a little too readily to be scum. His hanging on to the iV scum read has that scum-reluctance to change stance feel, but ranting about it after other players moved on is not something I'd expect scum to do. Scum players tend to keep their emotional reactions kinda flat because they tend reread and rethink every word.
These are generalizations. ymmv. void where prohibited
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