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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On May 15 2013 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote: That's what I figured the reason was but I wanted to hear you explain it. I guess I don't but much faith in 'townslips' as other people do because assumptions like that don;t seem to do me any good. Now as far as my problems with Oats being scum: 1) It's basically impossible for Oats and BH to both be scum given their voting. It is possible I suppose for them both to be town. I find both to have done scummy things (whether you think it's OMGUS or not) so I am struggling with this given their behaviour. 2) Oats pickup of Vivax's mistake. This is WIFOM but thinking about it now the mistake was glaringly obvious so maybe a towncred grab rather than town analysis of case? 3) The scumread of VE---I share his problem with VE's lack of activity yet I also know that scum know people will call VE out on this as they do every game. (people know lazy VE = scum VE) I can't figure out if the town side or scum side of these things is more likely or not. The rest of his play looks scummy to me, especially the quick flip-flop vote only adding rationale later. This is similat to what BH and Vivax have done regarding voting me except they actually put effort into trying to cook up their post-hoc rationale. I don't see any correlation between Oats and my voting, but I don't like that Oats just sheeped me on the DP claim = null statement, or rather that he made an identical statement without giving me the cred I deserve for being a good thinker. The assumption of a vigi shot, btw, shoudl not be considered a "townslip" I get why people would think that, but consider that mafia are aware that the number of mafia shots is not disclosed in the setup. I will say this though, he was one of the people who turned me on to your weird post that you and I are on the same wavelength. Whatever the case, he at the very least is looking for weird things and trying to hunt scum. Ultimately I am going to say "scummy" for now because the townslip is the kind of thing mafia would fake and he's been sheeping me a lot. That being said, when you flip scum I'm going to be more charitable regarding oats' alignment since it wouldn't make sense for Oats to bus you | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On May 15 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's start with this. Oats says prplhz is pushing for hiro lynch, and at the same time chaoser is not pushing any lynch. If Oats prplhz' posts about hiro is pushing his lynch, chaoser should definitely be pushing my lynch. Oats, explain. Why is prplhz pushing a lynch but chaoser is not? /dunked | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Day 1 wagons With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch. ObviousOne[L-7]: Promethelax, HiroPro, raynpelikoneet WaveofShadow[L-5]: Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet[L-8]: chaoser, slOosh Oatsmaster[L-10]: prplhz[L-9]: VayneAuthority, VayneAuthority[L-9]: VisceraEyes Promethelax[L-10]: Oatsmaster Day 1 ends Wednesday, May 15 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) if no majority is reached | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I will say this though, he was one of the people who turned me on to your weird post that you and I are on the same wavelength. Say what you want about HOW I said it, the fact remains that there is truth to it. I have a feeling I already know how this ends but I am going to attempt to extend the olive branch for now in the interest of catching scum. If we agree (at least partially) on Oats maybe there is other information to be had here. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You are really annoying and i understand WoS' getting mad at you. Please try to say something useful that does not include WoS ok? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 15 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are really annoying and i understand WoS' getting mad at you. Please try to say something useful that does not include WoS ok? Um. While I appreciate the soft defense/sentiment, doesn't the /dunked mean that he agrees with you? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
So BH, why did you completely drop your suspicions on OO? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
OO was small info hunch WoS high prio case | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 15 2013 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea what it means. I still wonder why BH just dropped his "pressure OO if i die on N0" stuff, and hasn't brought up OO since then. I'm especially concerned about this as i think you (WoS) are town and if people lynch you BH gets a "fresh" start with no contributions towards anyone. So BH, why did you completely drop your suspicions on OO? How does he get a fresh start? When I flip town (whenever that may be) BH is pretty fucked for tunneling the everloving shit out of me. At least I'd like to think so but I'm sure he could find a way out of it somehow.. I AM curious though that upon BH's '10' on a 1-10 scale of me being scum that Vivax goes and shoots him a warning that '10 is pretty serious bro' but then goes ahead and sheeps without a second thought. I'm not sure I follow the mentality that you can sheep someone 100% without any doubt whatsoever while at the same time considering what it means if BH is wrong with his self-professed '10.' | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 15 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: viscera, do you actually think that you can get vayne lynched today? Regarding Vayne: I'm not sure what I think. Something rubs me the wrong way that he immediately was sure than all of the people the rest of the thread has found scummy one way or another are town. Looks like he is deliberately trying to be contrary to town because he either knows something we doesn't or is looking for some sort of hipster towncred by saying all of the current wagons are scum-led. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
your attempted to distance before death is noted though. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Hai Hiro! Need moar from you imo. Thoughts on Oats plox? BH you didn't respond to me earlier btw. I'm serious about what I said though I figured at least I'd get a rise out of you if you weren't going to even consider it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On May 15 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote: cause wos prio one IMO OO was small info hunch WoS high prio case What do you mean by small info hunch? If you are town and was hit on N0, why try to lead town into lynching OO if you are not even sure of your read on him? On May 15 2013 04:59 WaveofShadow wrote: How does he get a fresh start? When I flip town (whenever that may be) BH is pretty fucked for tunneling the everloving shit out of me. At least I'd like to think so but I'm sure he could find a way out of it somehow.. I AM curious though that upon BH's '10' on a 1-10 scale of me being scum that Vivax goes and shoots him a warning that '10 is pretty serious bro' but then goes ahead and sheeps without a second thought. I'm not sure I follow the mentality that you can sheep someone 100% without any doubt whatsoever while at the same time considering what it means if BH is wrong with his self-professed '10.' BEcause a lot of people are suspicious of you. If you get lynched and flip town that does not make BH any more scummy than any other people who voted for you (based on votes). He could argue "look, nearly everyone thought WoS was scummy, i pushed my scumread bla bla". How are you supposed to argue against that? That's why i want him to adress other people as well, and give his thoughts about them, not some dunks and one liners. | ||
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 15 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote: BTW wos if it makes you feel better after you flip scum I will lynch your buddy vivax for bussing you so obviously. your attempted to distance before death is noted though. Didn't you say earlier you didn't make pre-flip associations? I'm not calling Vivax scum or town, just noting his behaviour; if he can explain his mentality to me then fine. Make any associations you like though. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 15 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you mean by small info hunch? If you are town and was hit on N0, why try to lead town into lynching OO if you are not even sure of your read on him? BEcause a lot of people are suspicious of you. If you get lynched and flip town that does not make BH any more scummy than any other people who voted for you (based on votes). He could argue "look, nearly everyone thought WoS was scummy, i pushed my scumread bla bla". How are you supposed to argue against that? That's why i want him to adress other people as well, and give his thoughts about them, not some dunks and one liners. Precisely because of the way he's been pushing me and being the primary advent of the lynch, saying he is 100% sure. He can say what he wants after I flip but I hope that any town with a brain will consider his initial case on me was based on one measly post, he makes preflip associations constantly, he would constantly ignore counterpoints I brought up until it was convenient for him. I am becoming more open to the fact that this may just be how a town BH plays, but it frustrates me to no end that people constantly refer to him as a good player if he is capable of such wilfully blind tunneling. This is a problem I have had with other veterans as well in the past; they tend to see their word as the word of a higher power and often other people treat it as such even though they are wrong just as often as anyone else. (I am also aware that the machismo of BH is part of his ingame persona but that doesn't excuse it.) Now enough about BH. | ||
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