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On May 13 2013 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
also to oats, because from experience people that are friends with adequate players and on different alignments go out of their way to kill those that they know for sure are good players.
Um. Everyone with any amount of experience knows that Kita is a good player.
What are some of the interactions with Kita that seem scummy to you?
What makes that person scummy?
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.
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Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all.
It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill?
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On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.
WTHTD?
How does thinking that 2 kp or 1 kp 1 vig, be different in the way that someone plays the game?
Like why does it matter what we think for d1?
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On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.
the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
wine that's harder to drink
im not saying the other explanation doesn't have merit, i'm just saying you guys are wrong and i'm right until proven otherwise. default position is i'm right
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On May 13 2013 14:24 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong. the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do.
I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that.
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@VE Where are you bro, my tunnel just vanished and I'm thinking about motivating you next. You know what I expect from you.
@SNB Hi, your town credit via gif just expired, let's hear you give the old scum hunting a whirl. Who do you want to vote today, and why, lay it out for me along with another suspect. So far your contributions add up to what looks like a 180 on DP (you call his statement that he is a bad policy lynch suspicious but then tell me that lynching him D1 if he doesn't die N0 is stupid) in a matter of a handful of posts and your stance on him was never clear. The conversation immediately got buried by gifs, so it's time for you to take a stance on something. Go.
On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Also someone stole my fucking vote  . Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum. 
Not sure how I feel about the Vote Steal thing with Oats. Sounds like a role mafia would use on a townie, so I'm just gonna let Oats be Oats and assume town (just like last game) so I don't have to get inside his head.
Outside of this, I need to re-read. BH, if you're still interested in a death-match while I'm going back through just holler up.
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On May 13 2013 03:43 Vivax wrote:
Hey Oats.
We be votin' Hiro tomorrow, deal?
Lol Vivax did you steal oats vote?
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On May 13 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote:
wine that's harder to drink
im not saying the other explanation doesn't have merit, i'm just saying you guys are wrong and i'm right until proven otherwise. default position is i'm right
Who is scum, man who is always right?
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Vivax peculiarly aloof through N0. Vivax, please correct this transgression by being super awesome amazing beacon of townieness like you were last game. That Vivax was very dear to me and I miss him.
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BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.
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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.
Why are you posting this?
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Don't worry that was just me doing N0 stuff, I don't think it's a good idea to be a shining beacon of townieness at that stage so I was dicking around.
I also lied in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2013 05:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller. I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet.
I actually think Raynboy is scummy and wasn't interested in lynching DP. One does not simply confront his scumreads during N0.
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On May 13 2013 15:29 Vivax wrote:Don't worry that was just me doing N0 stuff, I don't think it's a good idea to be a shining beacon of townieness at that stage so I was dicking around. I also lied in this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 13 2013 05:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller. I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet. I actually think Raynboy is scummy and wasn't interested in lynching DP. One does not simply confront his scumreads during N0.
Why not?
And Oats, 'cause I felt like it.
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Why would you waste the time writing a really really useless post?
That was basically.
"I know why mafia shot DP and Kita and we should totally not talk at night"
Why?
'I felt like it' doesnt cut it.
Who is scummy WoS?
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On May 13 2013 15:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why would you waste the time writing a really really useless post?
That was basically.
"I know why mafia shot DP and Kita and we should totally not talk at night"
Why?
'I felt like it' doesnt cut it.
Who is scummy WoS?
Don't know yet.
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On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question.
What do you guys think of this post as answer?
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On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer?
I have no clue what it means
You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right?
And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH.
So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that.
TLDR: Rayn scumslipped.
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WoS,
answer the question.
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EPT
