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On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.
OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.
Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.
Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1. I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP?
My assumption is that scum did shoot DP because that makes most sense in this set-up. As such I think you are town based on your calling it a vig shot. If however it turns out DP was vigged my reads reverse it doesn't matter that OO/WoS had reasons for scum to hit DP and it does matter that you thought he was vigged.
I, as scum, wouldn't want to hit 3p day one. OO clearly thought it was optimal scum play though.
On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 14:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong. the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do. I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that.
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On May 13 2013 17:01 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.
OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.
Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.
Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1. I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP? My assumption is that scum did shoot DP because that makes most sense in this set-up. As such I think you are town based on your calling it a vig shot. If however it turns out DP was vigged my reads reverse it doesn't matter that OO/WoS had reasons for scum to hit DP and it does matter that you thought he was vigged. I, as scum, wouldn't want to hit 3p day one. OO clearly thought it was optimal scum play though. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote:On May 13 2013 14:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong. the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do. I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that.
And OO is the only one on the scum team. Right.
If scum shot DP, they shot him cause he is good player. Thats the only reason.
What is weird about WoS interaction with BH?
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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.
If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.
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On May 13 2013 17:09 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.
Is it newbie or scummy?
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I find it scummy. Do you disagree? If so on what grounds?
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Day 1 wagons
With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.
ObviousOne[L-9]: Promethelax
Day 1 ends Wednesday, May 15 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) if no majority is reached
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On May 13 2013 17:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find it scummy. Do you disagree? If so on what grounds?
I find it newbie honestly.
Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue.
So yeah newbie.
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So you read it as genuine and think Wos is town?
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On May 13 2013 17:23 Promethelax wrote:
So you read it as genuine and think Wos is town?
I read it as a kind of post that a townie would make.
Not lynching him today.
He is being useless though 
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who do you want to lynch?
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Vayne at this point.
VE is also disturbing me with his non townieness.
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Why vanye?
I'm not too worried about VE, I'll be able to read him when he eventually shows up.
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He posted that shit about not wanting to post during the night and wait for the flips. Yeah... Scum wants to waste time, town doesnt.
Also he said that there were certain people suspciously interacting with kita, but never bothered to elaborate.
He seems to jump all over the place, no pressure on anyone so far and just useless/scummy.
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Have you looked at his ongoing newbie game where his alignment is [redacted] and compared his play? Obviously can't say it in thread but worth thinking about.
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On May 13 2013 17:55 Promethelax wrote:
Have you looked at his ongoing newbie game where his alignment is [redacted] and compared his play? Obviously can't say it in thread but worth thinking about.
not yet. Im waiting for him to post more shit and shizzle.
OO seems like his normal townie self though. Or he doesnt seem like his scumself.
RNG a dude from the player list to talk about?
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Blazinghand
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lol wut
OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him'
WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that.
##vote WoS
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What do you think about anything else BH?
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obviously not that I disagree with the above. I already said it. But I don't wanna talk about things we agree about. That is boring and won't get me anywhere.
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Prom you're totes town.
/buddy
Expecting SlOosh and Sinani to post something meaningful within this day or I'll be mad
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lol <3
Why those two specifically?
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